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A ten-minute explanation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Very insightful. I am particularly surprised to learn that, initially, the Jews bought much of land that became Israel from landholders who lived in Cairo, Egypt.
I can’t say that this explanation is the exact truth, but it sounds true. More, it’s almost amazing that a the fundamental forces behind a conflict as profound as that between Israel and Palestine can be explained in as little as 10 minutes.
If you can cut through the crap, the truth is not so hard to see.
video
00:09:58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb6IiSUxpgw&feature=player_embedded#!
chris s.
September 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM
they bought it hugh ? that’s a good one…..
sem
September 24, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Cris:
You are exactly correct!
It is a fact that ten(10) of the tribes (sons) of Isreal (the Man) did not cross to the ‘other side’. The tribes of Judah and Benjamin (Largest and Smallest, respectively) were the only two(2) to cross.
In fact, the ten(10) tribes that did not cross became confederate with the Assyrians, therefore, becoming known as The Lost Tribes of Israel (the Man).
Historically, the Isrealites never purchased (any) land; in fact, the common bond between America and Israel–to this day, involves the gifting of land as much as it had been done previously…by the will of Almighty GOD (via conquest and obedience).
PeaceOut
chris s.
September 24, 2012 at 1:54 PM
I thought the UN and I do mean un , gifted that land to them by the UN’S divine right…..and whatever they did not get by from the un, was just taken , the isreali’s should realy think about stepping forward and clearing all this up …
sem
September 24, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Perhaps you are correct in your thinking, chris; yet, does not the US own the UN?
chris s.
September 24, 2012 at 2:17 PM
yes, I agree they do , any kind of solution or comprimise will never happen , ever , I am 43 , and it started from my memory with carter, carter went on and on , it will never end, it is not meant to …it is a test, an ongoing test , to gauge the worlds morality, if the palestinians can be subjegated, so the world.
Christian Gains
September 25, 2012 at 1:04 PM
Chris, in reply to your and SEM’s dialog: The land which we’re discussing as having been sold to the Rothchild Cartel, were plots of land with homes on them. That is why the “renters” of those homes had to exit them, because the new owners of the property had different intentions as to who they wished to rent to.
Also,
#1] The U.N. [yes - un], simply recognized Ysra’el as a Nation, as far as I know they did not “gift” ANY land to the Jewish State.
#2] No, America does NOT “own” the U.N., and to imply such is to forget / or be utterly ignorant of, the History of the U.N. The U.S., China, Russia, and Britain(I believe), hold the “trump” cards” of the Security Council, and basically THEY ALL “own” that decision making portion of the U.N., and, the last time I checked, Russia & China are NOT American allies…not even friendlies…#3] Yes, you’re VERY correct. the Middle Eastern confusion isn’t intended to be reconciled UNTIL certain Prophecies are fulfilled [including, but not limited to: Dan. 9:27; & Chaps. 11 - 12; Zec.10 - 14 {esply. 12:2 - 4, & 7 - 10; !3:1, & 7 - 9; & 14:1 - 2}; Matt.24:15 - 31; Rev.12:9; 17:7 - 18; and 19:11 thru 20:3] If you study those verses carefully, you note the progression FROM Jerusalem becoming a “cup of trembling” & a “burdensome stone”, to having the LORD pour out “a spirit of grace & supplication” and then, lastly “in all the land” — “two parts therein shall be cut off” as well as “I will gather all the Nations against Jerusalem — the women ravished and half the city will go into captivity, and the residue of the people shall be cut off from the city…”. BUT! NOTE ESPECIALLY 13:9
“I will bring the third part of them through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and I will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on MY NAME, and I shall hear them: I will say “It is MY people”, and they shall say “The Lord {Yeshauh?} is my God”!!!
This is the fulfillment of Yeshuah’s promise in Matt.23:39 “For I say unto you “Ye shall not see ME henceforth, till you shall say: ‘Blessed is he that cometh in THE NAME OF THE LORD”!
So, as you see, there are yet some events that MUST transpire, before the Middle East is cleared up.
sem
September 25, 2012 at 7:36 PM
Hello Christian and welcome back:
as usual, you come “packing a punch”; your research and knowledge in this area of conversation is impressive.
Please note however, my style of writing is to be lucid and concise while adhering to the subject matter and the facts, therein.
Thus, the term “own” should not be construed as “all mine” but in the sense that, during the time -line of said occurrences, Russia and China were not as influential as now. In fact, event to this day, the US is the largest (monetary) contributor to the UN.
If you intend to aurgue that Rothchild is Jewish, then perhaps you are correct; there was no ‘gifting’.
However, the Palestinians were the inhabitants of said land prior to ANY transfers of money.
Further, there are preliminary events that must transpire even before the Coming of The Lord; for instance: Basic Fairness to the original Householders.
PeaceOut
Christian Gains
September 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM
Thanks SEM for the kind words…(no..no “tongue in cheek” here), my “coming with a punch’ is simply my way of stimulating honesty and clarity.I’m very aware that there are folks who monitor this site but have done very little research, (for whatever perfectly reasonable reasons). So, when I sense, [or KNOW], that a poster is either distracting, or misleading the forum, then I try to bring things back to the original thought or investigation. Please forgive me…this is a short response because I haven’t read you’re whole comment…(sorry, my mistake on process). Now, I’ll go back & read your comment and then reply more intelligently (I hope)..
Christian Gains
September 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM
O.K. SEM, I’ve read this and can now respond. Thanks again for your compliments, and I want to assure you that I feel the same about your comments…straight forward, clearly articulated, and pointedly specific. You make it easier for me to understand you, because you “K.I.S.S.” (Keep It Simple Silly). Now, in response to your concern that I understand your intentioned meaning of “OWN THE UN”, I do. But, I must disagree…NOT BECAUSE I’M AN AMERICAN. Solely because I’ve studied, and followed, the U.N.’s developments since the early 1950′s. The existence of the UNITED NATIONS anomaly is a study in GLOBAL POLITICAL MANIPULATION, in & of itself. But, in the 1940′s BOTH RUSSIA & CHINA were rising stars of the Communist movement, and adored by the VAST majority of the States recognized by the U.N.
Now, I think the discrepancy between yours and my views, may lay in the timing, not in the substance. Let’s see.
Truly, neither Russia nor China had much influence or “palaunca” (Spanish for “who you know” power), in the early days,{40′s & 50′s}, (since it was the “good ole’boys” Rockerfellers, and Dulles’s crew who actually established the U.N. [even "donating" the land upon which it stands]. But!
These “fine upstanding Democratic philanthropist” (emphasis on DEMON-crats — and note the absence of the title Christians), were ONLY thinking of their OWO [aka NWO].
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SEM’s POST that I’m answering:
“Hello Christian and welcome back:
as usual, you come “packing a punch”; your research and knowledge in this area of conversation is impressive.
Please note however, my style of writing is to be lucid and concise while adhering to the subject matter and the facts, therein.
Thus, the term “own” should not be construed as “all mine” but in the sense that, during the time -line of said occurrences, Russia and China were not as influential as now. In fact, event to this day, the US is the largest (monetary) contributor to the UN.
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{CHRISTIANS’ response}:
If I’m not mistaken, it is NOT “AMERICAN TAXPAYER DECIDED” money..but rather “ADMINISTRATION / CONGRESS DECIDED MONETARY BENEFITS”, that have funded the U.N. from the beginning. “We the People” had little, (if any), choice in these matters. (Now, let me clarify here: The American people are most responsible than almost ANY people on Earth for the atrocious decisions and policies that THEY, (the “We the People”), have allowed to be forwarded). But!
NONETHELESS, the various manipulators, (both Parties), have done their VERY BEST to “hoodwink” us, “We the People”, into following their (manipulators), disastrously Imperial “big picture” plans! From Korea thru Vietnam, and now in Afghanistan & Iraq!?!?!
Now, at this point you have every right to ask “What has ANY of this got to do with the Israeli / Palestinian problems???”
Well, let’s look at what I just described: The U.N. was the “brainchild” of the Dulles’s and Rokerfeller’s WORLD VIEW. [study point students! Allen & "Rocky" weren't alone!]….
Then, there was the “Outbreak of war” (1919 through 1972)…[NEXT study point students -- "WHY?" is the big question -- "HOW" is next!]…and LASTLY, here we are at the “TOTAL CHANGE of POWER & INFLUENCE” in the Middle East. The “old regimes” [dictatorial & tyrannically repressive control systems], are OUT, and …..hmmmm…not sure what’s IN yet…[NEXT study point students]!
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SEMS statement:
If you intend to argue that Rothchild is Jewish, then perhaps you are correct; there was no ‘gifting’.
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MY ANSWER: Well, you’ve proffered a couple of things here: #1] Do I “intend to argue that Rothchild is Jewish”?; Then #2] Was there any “gifting”?
So…Here’s my answer:
#1] The Rothchild lineage is VERY SIGNIFICANT, and leads into some EXTREMELY important revelations as to HOW “POWER” and “FAME” / “GLORY” are involved in human societal development. You might find this site interestingly revealing: Iamthewitness.com Darell Bradford Smith — just “SEARCH” the subject of:[ Rothchild - Banking - Napoleon - Nathan Rothchild - Merchant Bankers - Central Banks - NWO.].
#2] Any Gifting: Again SEARCH the iamthewitness site for the History of the Israel / Palestinian problem…(And the Rothchild relationship to Israel). the Palestinian problems’ roots and it’s reasons…BTW…consider that Genesis 17:20, and Gen.27;38 – 40 are still in effect.
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SEM’S STATEMENT:
However, the Palestinians were the inhabitants of said land prior to ANY transfers of money.
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CHRISTIAN’S ANSWER:
There are VERY FEW Books of History that claim knowledge of WHEN this existence began…(actually, only one). That one book has been challenged (over the last 5+ Centuries), and still stands as the Archeologically supported fact. (Check out William Albright’s testimonial concerning the Book of Luke).
The Heshmonite, Philistine, Sidonian Tribes and peoples, (who ultimately degenerated to wandering nomads that populated the geographical area (that Rome labeled “Palestine”), within the region between the Sergosas (?) Mountain range, [I got that wrong, I know], and the Mediterranean Sea, as well as from the Red sea inlet of Ezion-geber / T Kheleifeh (in the South), to what is now deep in Lebenon, (to the North), became known as “Palestinians”. ABSOLUTELY TRUE! BUT! Forseveral hundreds of years BEFORE those prople began to populate that area, there were “The Children of Ysar’el”. The followers of Moses and Joshua.
The problem that you refer to (“…before any transfers of money..” {which occured in the late 1800′s and VERY EARLY 1900′s) — occurred a good 1000+ yrs. AFTER the Nation of Hebrews, [known as Ysra'el] was demolished, burnt to the ground, salted into oblivion, and ALL the “JEWS” were removed — (with the exception of the VERY POOR, and the Religious remnant), by the Romans}. And here is where our GENUINE PROBLEM of Palestinians VS Jews has a seed bed.
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SEM’s STATEMENT:
Further, there are preliminary events that must transpire even before the Coming of The Lord; for instance: Basic Fairness to the original Householders.
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FIRSTLY SEM…”FAIRNESS”…? ….REALLY? common…I can accept that the Arabs that were displaced by the Rothchild “buyout” of their properties were horrified and angry. No doubt. Nor do I nesessarily agree with the motives behind that “buy out”. BUT! Your problem is that, (unlike Mr. Adask here), you and your folks haven’t done your homework. You see…the Rothchild Cartel used PERFECTLY LEGAL & LAWFUL means to acquire those properties. (NOTE: not necessarily ethical means tho). But, nonetheless, they owned those properties, legally, and, therefore, could do with them as they pleased.
Now…Let’s look at “Basic fairness to those householders”. Hmmmmm….?
Honestly SEM, I believe that you should actually look DEEPLY at the underlying MOTIVE for that “BUY OUT”…rather than at the “chance of a fair return” on those lands. And, you’d do well to look at those “landholders”…WHY did they so willingly sell their properties? hmmmm?
Now, LASTLY, I want to assure you that I do Not, in ANY SENSE, agree with the ROTHCHILDS motive, nor, with their ultimate goal, (which I tend to believe led to the “Holocaust” — a sacrifice), but, I do NOT agree, either, with the Socialist mantra against Israel. NOR, do I agree with Israel’s psychopathic “:we are the ONLY humans upon Earth” mentality.
What I believe is that:
#1] The Yah of Creation determined a plan.
#2] That we humans were involved and essential to HIS plan
#3] That some beings (that HE’d created), rebelled against HIS plan
#4] That HE chose to allow HIS creation to develop, change, improve or degrade, and just to be free to choose their way through existence….
#5] That He declared a limit on our freedom of choice, and, the consequences of those choices.
#6] That HE fulfilled HIS promises…(ESPECIALLY concerning HIS PERSONAL SACRIFICE for our lives — Isa. 53, Jn. 3:3 thru 21, Jn. 14 – 17).
#7] That WHAT HE HAS PROMISED AND DECLARED will OCCUR, and that, WHAT HE STATES WILL BE…WILL BE! I believe that we must: BELIEVE, WAIT, and the DECLARE!
Roger that! Rebel Out!
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PeaceOut
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CHRISTIAN’S STATEMENT: SEM, hang in there…”Study to make thyself assured…a workman that need NOT be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING, (interpreting), the WORD of GOD!” You might not adhere to the same Book that hold too..but…lets communicate.
chris s.
September 24, 2012 at 1:57 PM
sem
September 24, 2012 at 1:59 PM
Sometimes a few facts tell important stories. The American economy now is full of facts that tell stories that you really don’t want, but need, to hear.
chris s.
September 24, 2012 at 2:34 PM
I think I am pretty much up to speed , on the debasement of the dollar, the distraction wars bring , the patriotic ferver, qe- forever.. it is a quick trip to the bottom….there will be no economic recovery from the next one.
chris s.
September 24, 2012 at 2:09 PM
chris s.
September 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM
chris s.
September 24, 2012 at 2:15 PM
they might have bought some of it , but they did not buy all of it , and they continue to take it via a biblical claim…
Christian Gains
September 25, 2012 at 1:47 PM
In relation to your comment on how the Jews are taking land, utilizing scriptural mandate, you’ve jumped several years forward from the ORIGINS of the problem, to a present manifestation of the problem.
Clearly, the Scripture relates Yahwey’s promises to HIS (emphasis on ownership) CHILDREN…and those promises are, almost without exception, “If you do this, then I will do this” legal terminology.
Let’s check Deuteronomy 28.
In this Chapter, there are 68 verses. There 14 verses of positive promises, [based upon the obedience of HIS children].
Then, in verse 15, HE says:”But, it shall come to pass, if thou harken not unto the VOICE of the LORD thy GOD, to observe to do all of HIS commandments, and HIS statutes which I command thee this day, that all these curses shall come upon thee and overtake thee.
And then, for the next 53 verses GOD makes it clear what curses shall befall them!
14 verses of promises, one verse of warning, and 53 verses of curses if they refuse to obey HIS VOICE! And THAT is what they refer to as the Legal base of their claim to the land? READ CAREFULLY what the Lord says He’ll alow to befall them, and YOU tell ME if MANY of the curses have already fallen upon a rebellious, unrepentant & recalcitrant people.
And, the ONLY reason that they’ve been allowed back into that land, (that was ONCE gifted to them), is because Zec.12 thru 14 still has to be fulfilled, as well as Ezk. 38. Not to mention the other prophecies. So…still some events to come!
Christian Gains
September 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM
This genuinely is a very factual and balanced History, (tho VERY basic). There were, really, four or five MAJOR events that ultimately led to todays’ abominable conditions in the area known as Ysra’el & Gaza. He touches on all of them, but I’d like to amplify on a couple.
#1] The “landlords selling their properties in Palestine”,
#2] The change that Arafat & the PLO injected into the equation. And
#3] The significance of Zionism
#1] The ‘investors’ who bought those properties, were, (principally), the Rothchild Banking Cartels of France, Britain & Germany, and, those investments were made, primarily, as incentives to bring European (Kazrian) “Jews” back into the Middle East. The mere size of this “migration” and property switch was indicative of the vision the Rothchild Cartels had, even then, in the 1800′s! These purchases, and subsequent population movement, (Palestinians out, and “Jews” in), was simply an extension of the larger picture of France & Britain controlling the M.E. (Very certainly influenced by Napoleon’s statement: “He who controls Yeru-Salem, controls the Middle East”).
#2] To better appreciate the REAL “boots on ground” politic of the Israeli / Palestinian conflict, one must note the VERY REAL influence that Russia had in that region. Russia, Germany, France & Britain were the PRIMARY sources and motivators of a phenomena that began in the late 1700′s, [after the American Civil War]. That was, the rise of Archeology, and Archeological investigations and excavations. In the Christian global community, Darwinism, and Marxism, [latter to be known as Communism], were having severe social impacts upon Christian Theology. In Germany, there arose a Theological School, “The Critical School”, which began to SERIOUSLY QUESTION (with reason), many of the Old testaments declarations of historic facts. In response to their very reasonable questions, Christian Historians began to investigate, and Christian financiers began to launch Archeological “digs”, throughout the Biblical Region of the M.E., to attempt to determine whether such locales as Ninevah, Babylon, Ur of Chaldees, and other such cities DID, in fact, exist.
Now, the reason all of this is pertinent, is because of the rise of both Darwinism / Marxism, and the rise of Archeological explorations, which were primarily due to a spirit of doubt of and determined undermining of the veracity of the Scriptures, which were, (especially in the late 1700′s and early 1800′s), principally the moral & ethical foundation of the entire Western Civilization of that time. So, to discredit the Scriptures, would be to remove the “CORNER STONE” that supported, and reinforced, the moral & ethical standards throughout the entirety of Europe & America. No small, nor mean deed indeed!
This spirit, of doubting the reality of a supernatural entity we call God, became ESPECIALLY significant, when Russia fell prey to the anti-God Communist doctrines of Darwinism & Marxist / Leninism. And here is where Zionism & Arafat, come into the Middle East picture.
They BOTH represent a HIGHLY carnal, utterly ANTI-GOD belief system! They BOTH are utterly without ANY genuine Love based belief system, but rather, are BOTH TOTALLY “humanistic”, and centered on the belief that humankind is the ONLY reality that can be trusted, or that must be listened to! (the UTTER antithesis of Prov. 3: 5-6, and Jer. 17: 5 & 7 and many other admonitions by YaHOVAH elohim to NOT lean to our own imaginations, and fleshly abilities, but rather, trust HIM to take care of us, guide us and help us.)
And, it is the confusion among Christians, concerning these two UTTERLY SECULAR doctrines, that leads to the bickering and divisions amongst Christians, as to how they should relate to present Middle eastern realities, and WHO they should support.
The simplest truth is that, Christians are admonished to relate to the SPIRITUAL FORCES behind political doctrines, RATHER than accepting the carnal fleshly physical realities, [Eph.6:12 & II Cor. 10:4 - 5].
NEITHER Zionism NOR Communism / Marxism are motivated by the fear & love of Yahwey, or by the desire to please Yahwey, of even a desire to KNOW Yahwey! Much LESS, to know, & seek to obey Yeshuah.
Now, #3] As to the significance of the influence of Zionism.
The Christian community, globally, has been insidiously, (and with utter evil intent), misinformed concerning this doctrine. They have been led to believe that Zionism is an outcropping of Hebrew faith, and the National image of their faith in Yahwey. NOTHING could be FURTHER from the truth!
If one wishes to know the physical image of Hebrew faith, then you merely have to get to know, PERSONALLY, Yeshuah bar Nazare, the manifestation of Yah’s love to, and for, humankind.
But! we Christians MUST properly understand that, (while the promises of Yah are true & unfailing), those promises are ONLY good & applicable to those who seek to, and do, obey Yahwey elohim. They do NOT apply to those who seek OTHER spirits to obey. Therefore, those promises (when dealing with Ysra’el), MUST be seen in reference to the significance of Yeshuah…not in reference to carnal Isra’elites. Those promises to Ysra’el, ONLY APPLY to those who have received & given allegiance to Yah’s ONLY BEGOTTEN Son, Yeshuah, ha messhiach!
These promises I refer to, have ABSOLUTELY nothing whatsoever to do with one’s physical Nationality, but ONLY with one’s spiritual Nationality. NOTHING to do with one’s physical birth, but rather, with one’s spiritual NEW birth! Nothing whatsoever to do with one’s physical allegiance, but with one’s SPIRITUAL allegiance!
Therefore, it is NOT the people who “call themselves Jews”, that TRUELY are of the Hebrew faith, but rather, those who “believe Yah”, and “obey Him”, who will inherit the promises, and the Kingdom of Yeshuah! (This is the core significance of Matt.21: 33 – 44; and why, Yeshuah stated: 23:39!).
Therefore I posit that ONLY the return of THE Messiah, Yeshuah, will settle, for a time, the Palestinian / Israeli conflict.
NDT
September 25, 2012 at 1:16 AM
Christianity is the religion of Rome aka Babylon, and the use or misuse of Hebrew names doesn’t change that. Humans got their name from Rome, i.e. humanity and mankind were originally not synonymous terms.
One of the methods of verification of scripture was the fulfillment of prophecy, yet the prophecy of the resurrection referred to in Luke 24:46 doesn’t exist, and the prophecies of the crucifixion (Psalms 22, Psalms 69) refer to dishonour and remorse, not to Christianity’s spotless sacrifice. Isaiah 53 refers to the suffering servant being taken from prison and from judgement, living a long life, and seeing his descendant(s), which contradicts the standard Christian story.
The message of Revelation was directed to the followers in Asia, not Rome, and these people had rejected Paul (2 Timothy 1:15).
The supernatural entity of the Anglican religion bears no resemblance to any of the beings that ate the food prepared for them in Genesis 18.
Paul’s description of faith as a defensive shield (Ephesians 6:14) disagrees with Psalms 91:4 which describes truth as a shield.
In law, the defence of truth is a defence against an accusation of slander. Devil, from diablos, means slanderer, so in a religious context truth is a shield against the devil. The central slander of Christianity is that a just and compassionate deity would devise a plan that involved an innocent man being tortured to death.
Christian Gains
September 25, 2012 at 12:28 PM
NDT, your entire rant is VERY misplaced fellow.
FIRSTLY: You’ve said NOTHING in relation to the topic under descussion: “The Iraeli / Palestinian Conditions.SECONDLY”Christianity” out dates “Catholicism” by hundreds of years. {ACTS 11:26B}…THIRDLY: where did you get the idea that “humanity” and “mankind” are not synonymous, and LASTLY: Yahwey CREATED mankind, and named them. So, where does the Catholic Church come into this? “…humans got their name from Rome”? REALLY!?? PLEASE DO explain that in some detail…
Since “Anon4fun” has done a fine job of correcting your erroneous conclusions, (and false interpretations), I’ll simply end by asking you to PLEASE back up your generalizations with a WHOLE LOT MORE evidence than, simply your opinion, and a couple of misinterpreted verses. Thanks!
sem
September 25, 2012 at 11:08 AM
Well written essay. Indeed, once people make the Spritual connection, clarity “Becomes”!
PeaceOut
sem
September 25, 2012 at 7:49 PM
Actually, Christian:
referencing my earlier comment that only two(2) tribes crossed to the ‘otherside’…it is arguable that those who call themselves Jews are truely from the tribe of Judah (Jew is short for Judah) and Judah was the most populace of all the tribes of Israel. Not to mention the vast territories (on the ‘otherside’) that were peacefully occupied by them.
Hence, those who call themselves Jews today; could possibly, also, be called delusional; as, those who did not cross to the otherside became known as the Lost Tribes as alluded to above.
PeaceOut
Anon4fun
September 25, 2012 at 2:59 AM
NDT:
Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Is prophesied by:
1. Psalm 16:9-11 Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope. For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.
2. Psalm 68:20 He that is our God is the God of salvation; and unto God the Lord belong the issues from death.
3. Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
You said: >>Isaiah 53 refers to the suffering servant being taken from prison and from judgement, living a long life, and seeing his descendant(s), which contradicts the standard Christian story.<<
There is no contradiction.
To "make his soul an offering for sin" means Jesus was to die for our sins. Yet, "he shall see his seed." His seed refers to the offspring of his marriage to the Church. "Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God." (Romans 7:4)
His days are "prolonged," since the resurrected Jesus will never die again. And "the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand" we also find realized: "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." (Matthew 28:18)
4. Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
5. Jonah 1:17 Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
As confirmed by:
Matthew 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
Valerias
September 25, 2012 at 7:54 AM
These ‘tribes’ would sell each other out in a heart beat….now and then. Groups in this area under discussion here were controlled and lived in comparable peace under the 800 year Ottoman rule which was destabilized and taken down by the Zionist/Rothchilds manipulations via their proxies, Britain and France. For years,The Zionist had already embedded themselves via dual citizenship’s in these countries including Turkey where they waited for WW1 to begin which they planned and initiated with their well placed assassin in Serbia. These dual citizen Bolsheviks then started shipping, en mass their half breed hordes in steamers to Palestine. In the meantime old hostilities resurfaced that were kept under control by Ottoman rule and it was very easy for the Zionist controlled Europeans to play all the inhabitants of the area and eventually according to plan establish themselves as Faux State of Israel. The Saudis are thugs placed there by the Brits. And are still holding on to power by brutality and fundamental Islam sharia…left out details not mentioned in the videos
Christian Gains
September 25, 2012 at 12:12 PM
While the Askanazi “Jews” ARE decedents of the Kazarian Tribe / Kingdom of the Caucasus Mt. region, they are not “half-breeds”, they are simply Jewish procelites. They chose to accept the Hebrew faith as their own, in the 500 A.D.’s (I believe it was). The Book titled:”The Thirteenth Tribe” is the Historic record of when & how they became “Jews”, and also, how they ended up largely populating much of Western Europe. They never became Hebrews, but, they DID become “Jews”, (believers in the Faith of Abraham, Issac and Ya’acob), and Torah obedient. The vast majority of Ysraeli leadership comes from the Askenazi Jewish group. Askenazi’s are NOT from any Tribe of Ysra’el, nor, do they claim to be, as far as I’ve been able to ascertain.
As for the Saudis, Read the “SEVEN PILLARS OF WISDOM” by T.S. Lawrence (aka “Lawrence of Arabia”), to better understand where they came from, who they are, and why they claim a Monarchy / Kingdom, rather than a Nation. By Western Christian cultural standards, many of them DO seem “thugish”, but, not according to their Shariah Law standards.
So, that term is a bit loose in your application. I think it more appropriate, (and closer to the truth), to point out that they have VERY little respect for woman, or people out side of their Clan / Kingdom. But, then again, that can also be said of the Jewish people, (though they’ve learned to conceal their utter contempt for ANYthing non Jewish, — due to the multitude of “pogroms” they brought upon themselves, by their unconcealed, open ridicule of ANY thing not of their Tribe or People — which attitude they no longer openly display in or to non Jewish groups).
Both “faiths” have been grossly perverted, (more especially the Jewish ‘faith’, which has VERY little in common with the Torah or Tanak, since the Talmuds and Kabala have become their PRIMARY spiritual guides). Whereas the Saudis have maintained a closer obedience to their Koranic doctrines…the problem here is just that those doctrines are QUITE vile in some circumstances, (female genitalia destruction — sex permitted with child brides [as young as nine yrs. old] — “honor killings” — and Jihadi suicide killers, to name a few). Frankly, being a Christian, (and Field Missionary for 40 yrs.).
I cannot see ANY hope of GENUINE reconciliation, between ANY of these groups or Nations, until Yahwey removes the restrictions of the Genesis 16:7 – 12, and 25:29 – 34, declarations upon Ishma’el and Esau. And, sadly, that cannot happen until the return of THE Messiah, Yeshuah. There’s a LOT yet to transpire before THAT GLORIOUS DAY.
One suggestion Valerias, while you seem to know a good deal about the subject, it’ll help people to accept your knowledge more readily, if you refrain from the denigrating terminology: “half breed hordes”, or generalities such as “these dual citizen Bolsheviks”. While many WERE Bolsheviks, not ALL were. Many Askenazis were Notcommunists. Atheist or agnostic, yes. But, not Communists.
sem
September 26, 2012 at 6:08 PM
Christian:
I have taken ‘a peek’ at Iamthewitness.com, and I gotta’tell-ya…it is very colorful (in more ways than one). In reference to Gen. 17:20, it is my understanding that the Covenant ended AD 70 and that said Nation was established long before Judah crossed to the ‘otherside’. Concerning Gen. 27:38-40; I have yet to make the co-relationship with the subject matter, except that the Covenant was made with Isaac.
There was a question in my mind as to why it takes the District Court so long to decide a case; well, as with your reply(s), reference material(s) take time to verify.
Your dedication to this subject is noteworthy and enlightening, and in no way should be discounted. However, for the sake of those who do not have forty(40) years of Missionary experience; consideration, thereof, may be a blessing.
PeaceOut=GracefulExit
sem
September 25, 2012 at 8:06 PM
There is still the small matter concerning Time and Place in that region; and whether the current Land Occupation is going to be equitably resolved.
On “THAT GLORIOUS DAY”, (if I understand correctly) ‘Land’ will be the least matter of concern.
If only the ‘contenders’ in that region would PRODUCE THE BILL OF SALE; it seems, a “Glorious Day” would become.
PeaceOut