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“My People Perish for Lack of Knowledge”

24 Feb

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On of this blog’s readers (“Morningstar”–but not Don Bailey) posted a comment on another article that read,

“Some scriptures I believe I understand. Some I know I do not understand.. One scripture says, My people are destroyed because of a lack of knowledge. Then, another scripture says, Woe to those who deprive my people of their rights.This last scripture is enough for me to believe that rights come from YHWH. BUT, it seems to me these rights are going to be denied by the oppressors regardless of whether God’s people have “knowledge” or not..I think Christ & other apostles etc.,had knowledge. Also, he,Christ said if they have persecuted me, they will persecute you. So, I am at a loss to understand what the scripture that says my people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge means. Except I know what destroyed & being destroyed means.”

“Morningstar” knows God’s people are destroyed for “lack of knowledge” but, so far, he can’t figure out what that “knowledge” is.  Is the needed knowledge the Pythagorean Theory?  How ’bout how many ounces are in a metric tonne?  What’s the Las Vegas “line” on the next Super Bowl?  Exactly, what “knowledge” is needed not to “perish”?

It is a puzzlement.  I don’t know the answer for sure.  But I’ve also wondered about that essential “knowledge” for at least a decade.  And, then, about five years ago, an “answer” (or at least a possible answer) came to me.

I started to realize that there are at least two dozen verses in the Bible where God tells his children that eventually “they will know that I am God.”  God even warns his enemies that he is about to beat the crap out of them “so they will know [teach them the lesson] that I am God.”

It appears to me that one of God’s great objectives is to make all of His children (and perhaps everyone) “know that He is God”.  I believe that’s the “knowledge” that, without which, we tend to “perish”.

A lot of people might say, “Ohh, heck, I already know that He is God.”

But do you?  Really?

If you truly and already “know that He is God,” why the hell don’t you obey His laws?

Sure, you’ve heard about God and you might even believe in Him to some degree.  But if you really know that He is God, why do you bother obeying anyone else’s laws?  Why do you bother “worshiping” Obama, or technology, or the almighty fiat dollar?  Why would you dare to take orders from anyone if those orders were contrary to God’s law?  Why would you dare to voluntarily violate God’s laws if you really “know” that He is the Creator of the entire universe? Why aren’t you trembling even now?

Disobeying God’s law is not something clever or cute like flipping the bird to Obama or the local IRS agent.  God is infinitely bigger and more powerful than all presidents and all IRS agents have ever been or could ever be.  If you don’t realize how powerful–and potentially dangerous–God is, you do not really “know” God.

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

If the Bible is true, then a healthy fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge and may be closely associated with the “knowledge” without which God’s people “perish”.

•  Here are 25 more verses (there may be more) where our Father YHWH ha Elohiym repeatedly makes clear His intention to make his people “know that He is God“.  He acts for or against various people(s) so they can “know” from their blessings (or their destruction) that He is God:

Exo_6:7  And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.

Exo_16:12  I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God.

Exo_29:46  And they shall know that I am the LORD their God, that brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, that I may dwell among them: I am the LORD their God.

Lev_23:43  That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Deu_29:6  Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink: that ye might know that I am the LORD your God.

1Ki_20:28  And there came a man of God, and spake unto the king of Israel, and said, Thus saith the LORD, Because the Syrians have said, The LORD is God of the hills, but he is not God of the valleys, therefore will I deliver all this great multitude into thine hand, and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

Psa_46:10  Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

Isa_43:10  Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isa_45:3  And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

Jer_24:7  And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

Eze_13:9  And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

Eze_20:20  And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

Eze_20:44  And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have wrought with you for my name’s sake, not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Eze_23:49  And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

Eze_24:24  Thus Ezekiel is unto you a sign: according to all that he hath done shall ye do: and when this cometh, ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

Eze_28:22  And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Zidon; and I will be glorified in the midst of thee: and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall have executed judgments in her, and shall be sanctified in her.

Eze_28:24  And there shall be no more a pricking brier unto the house of Israel, nor any grieving thorn of all that are round about them, that despised them; and they shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

Eze_28:26  And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the LORD their God.

Eze_29:16  And it shall be no more the confidence of the house of Israel, which bringeth their iniquity to remembrance, when they shall look after them: but they shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

Eze_34:30  Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the Lord GOD.

Eze_36:23  And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

Eze_39:22  So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

Eze_39:28  Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

Joe_2:27  And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

Joe_3:17  So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

 

•  I could be mistaken.  Maybe the “knowledge” without which God’s people “perish” is something other than knowing that our Father YHWH ha Elohiym is God.

But for me, that’s the answer.  “My people perish for lack of knowledge that I am the LORD their God.”

 

 

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122 responses to ““My People Perish for Lack of Knowledge”

  1. bandit

    February 24, 2013 at 4:33 AM

    Psalm 82 says it all. language has a way of causing confusion as it stems from the yin and is expressed from the yang, yet to actually hear the message it must be accepted by the yin again. mankind has been taught to trust the yang. patriarchal in stance, the people have lost the knowledge that the great void existed for the light to shine upon the darkness.

     
  2. bandit

    February 24, 2013 at 5:04 AM

    just to strengthen what my previous post says psalm 83, line 2. אֱלֹהִים אַל-דֳּמִי-לָךְ; אַל-תֶּחֱרַשׁ וְאַל-תִּשְׁקֹט אֵל. O God, keep not Thou silence; hold not Thy peace, and be not still, O God.

     
    • Anon4fun

      February 24, 2013 at 2:21 PM

      The phrase “my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge” is from the book of Hosea, chapter 4, where God is reproaching his people, specifically ancient Israel, whom he would soon destroy for once again falling into apostasy.

      Hosea 4:1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. 2 By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood. 3 Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away. 4 Yet let no man strive, nor reprove another: for thy people are as they that strive with the priest. 5 Therefore shalt thou fall in the day, and the prophet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will destroy thy mother. 6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

      Shortly after Hosea delivered this prophesy, adulterous Israel was in fact destroyed by the Assyrian Empire, around 730 BC. Despite this, her sister Judah would later be guilty of even worse transgression.

      Jeremiah 3:6 The Lord said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot. 7 And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. 8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. 9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks. 10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the Lord. 11 And the Lord said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.

       
      • Morningstar

        February 24, 2013 at 3:12 PM

        Hello Anon4fun,
        It appears to me you gave or showed where the answer is. Stupid me!!! NOW, i believe the answer is the people were destroyed for a lack of knowledge(belief) of what would happen to them for REJECTING knowledge they “had” on how they should be living. Is this about right? I have read,I think, most of your comments & you sure are “up” on many things.Haven’t seen anything yet except “maybe” one thing you posted a long time ago regarding “Babylon.” IF I understood you correctly you said Babylon is the City of Jerusalem. Now remember, I said IF I understood you correctly. IF I did, then all people would have to do is “leave” Jerusalem & they would be “out” of Babylon. However this does not add up so I am missing something. I hope this is not taken to mean I am trying to start an argument. All I am asking is for you to tell me what I am not grasping, if you will. Two things in this comment I am requesting. THANKS !!!

         
      • Yartap

        February 25, 2013 at 3:45 PM

        Anon4fun & Moringstar,

        Hosea 4:1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no TRUTH, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land.

        “It’s not what you DON’T KNOW that hurts you so; it’s what you KNOW that is NOT SO (that hurts you).” – Maxim. In other words, MOST in society believe many LIES to be TRUTHS! This can be called BLINDNESS.

        If the TRUTH is not in one, can that one be His?

         
  3. huey campbell

    February 24, 2013 at 6:46 AM

    Brother Adask, Reading this blog brought understanding to me. Thank You!
    You are correct, We must know:
    Not that, “the Lord, he is God”
    -but rather-
    that, “YHWH, he is God”

    We must not bring destruction upon ourselves because we do not know who God is!

    You put the corn down where the goats can reach it brother! —”If you truly and already “know that He is God,” why the hell don’t you obey His laws?”—

    and to Bandit, I feel like you put food out for, I’m looking for it.

     
  4. bandit

    February 24, 2013 at 7:11 AM

    YHWH is the four elements in motion. look towards the Chinese understandings of the elements and the fifth element is metal. this is the sword that is borne from the world of knowledge. understanding comes from revealing the inner self to the outer world. this is the truth of who you are, champion of your own temple, and with the gaining of wisdom, the spirit can become enshrouded and haloed, let this be the soul purpose of life and heaven can reign upon earth. words cannot hold truth unless truth is held within the heart.

     
  5. huey campbell

    February 24, 2013 at 7:27 AM

    I am constrained, by the spirit within me, to look beyond the elements to the one that created the elements and fashioned within me the desire for him.

    In time past, on Mt.Carmel, when the fire fell and consumed the sacrifice and the wood and the stones of the alter and licked up the water that was in the ditch, the people shouted not, “the elements in motion” is God!

     
    • Morningstar

      February 24, 2013 at 1:12 PM

      huey, > “I am constrained, by the spirit within me, to look beyond the elements to the one that created the elements…….”
      Me too !!! but, remember, the most important element is METAL. bandit said so. We must never forget this. AND,huey, bandit said: it is not you that are constrained by the spirit, but its inverse.
      YES,Help Please !! I have to give bandit the benefit of the doubt that he is just too deep for my little mind. I say this sincerely, but I do not understand why an understanding of the Chinese language is the answer to understanding the English translations of the Holy Scriptures. Actually, it just “dawned” on me that there are more important things to think about than understanding the scripture that says my people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge. An all out effort to obey the original meaning of the “Golden Rule” tempered with wisdom should be sufficient. Trying to obey the Golden Rule without wisdom will destroy anyone. How well I know. I have supported heroin & cocaine addicts in the past but I was to stupid to know it.No wisdom. Knowledge without wisdom is self destructive. How well I know. Then again, I might do the same thing again. There appears to be no end to the ways we can be deceived.Especially when we are trying to obey the Golden Rule. AND, I don’t mean that he who has the gold makes the rules, I mean do for others like you would like for them to do for you, when & if becomes necessary.

       
  6. bandit

    February 24, 2013 at 7:34 AM

    YHWH is the son and the father. Psalm 82:6 אֲנִי-אָמַרְתִּי, אֱלֹהִים אַתֶּם; וּבְנֵי עֶלְיוֹן כֻּלְּכֶם. I said: Ye are godlike beings, and all of you sons of the Most High.

     
    • bandit

      February 24, 2013 at 7:39 AM

      it is not you that are constrained by the spirit, but its inverse.

       
    • Adask

      February 24, 2013 at 1:32 PM

      I doubt that YHWH and the Christ are one being. There is mixed evidence in the Bible. I’m currently persuaded that the Christ is not God. I’ve previously expressed some of my reasons why at: http://adask.wordpress.com/2012/10/22/and-yet-he-stayed/

      If we are all “God-like beings,” does that mean we are all “God” or “Gods”? While I believe that I am made in God’s image, I do not believe that I am God. The 25 verses I quoted about “know that I am God” make clear that He, and He alone, is God. By implication, you and I are not God.

       
      • Sparky the dullard

        March 15, 2013 at 8:00 AM

        I doubt that YHWH and the Christ are one being.

        You are correct in that they are TWO beings that converse with each other but they are ONE in the sense of being in harmony,agreement, and of like mind, let’s say.Of course this is my understanding. Yahshua was not talking to himself when he said, Father,etc. I saw a picture recently of a king & queen sitting on their “thrones.” When you look at the picture the queen is to the king’s left. If we were standing behind them the queen would be to the king’s right. There is a scripture that says where The Christ is sitting. Just believe this. Christ says that ALL power has been GIVEN to HIM in heaven & earth.He said this AFTER he was resurrected.Of course there are other beliefs we must have to qualify to be in the future Kingdom & a part of it. We spend too much time on trying to figure out how 2 beings or more have eternally existed. We are finite, We cannot grasp infinity. but we have more than enough evidence to prove to any logical rational man or woman that there absolutely must be a vastly superior intelligence to ours. We need to try & understand what this vastly superior intelligence says is required of us to be a part of his coming “one world government” that Satan is now counterfeiting. I have written what I have only for others who may not understand & are searching for more understanding but I am also aware that a prophet is without honor if he is “local” Generally speaking the “local prophet is regarded as “loco.”

         
      • Sparky the dullard

        March 15, 2013 at 8:05 AM

        P.S. Loco &/or a local yokel but generally speaking,BOTH.

         
    • Morningstar

      February 24, 2013 at 6:05 PM

      bandit,
      You say,”YHWH is the son and the father.”

      Then I guess he is his own grandpappy too.IF what you say is true, then the scripture, translated in English, that says: “and “God” said, “let US make man in OUR image means “God” was absent minded & talking to himself. This I do know bandit, the word “God” in Genesis is Elohim in the original. scripture. Let’s is short for let us. Us is plural. I do not know how many beings comprises “US” but it.must be at least 2(TWO) beings. I don’t buy for one second that “God” is absent minded. bandit, I expect to hear from Anon4fun & he is going to tell me to quit corresponding with a troll. OR, he will tell you, this, bandit, not me.It’s either you,bandit, or me. Maybe both of us are about to be banned from being trolls on this blog. One thing you say that I do understand & agree with is, you,bandit say,G_d is not the creator. I know G_d is not the creator. You,bandit, said this on,> February 24, 2013 at 2:10 PM

       
    • Morningstar

      February 27, 2013 at 9:29 PM

      bandit,
      IF you had said that YHWH are,OR “includes” the Father AND the Son, this would make sense. e.g., you & your son ARE PART(s) of ONE family but you are not your son,(if you have a son) & your son is not you. Adam was not Eve & Eve was not Adam even tho the Bible says they became one. YOU & your son ARE one in that sense. Correct my error IF you think I am wrong. It’s understanding what ONE means. One in harmony,agreement,etc.

       
  7. huey campbell

    February 24, 2013 at 7:52 AM

    YHWH is the four elements in motion -VS- YHWH is the son and the father?

    Help please!

     
    • Sparky the dullard

      March 15, 2013 at 6:06 PM

      huey campbell
      February 24, 2013 at 7:52 AM
      YHWH is the four elements in motion -VS- YHWH is the son and the father?
      Help please!

      Huey,shame on you !! it’s plainnur-nuhh nose on your face. Obviously,You are not puttin the yang back with the ying. Now you need to do that with the added knowledge that the main element is “metal.” Maybe you are putting one of the other 3 elements first. You can’t do that. Metal must come first & foremost. Also a Greek language understanding combined with a knowledgeable Chinese language understanding is needed to understand that YHWH is the four elements in motion -VS- YHWH is the son and the father. Once you get all of the above requirements together & in order THEN you will plainly see that YHWH is the four elements in motion AND YHWH is the son and the father. Cane B no plainnernatt. foards or backerds, either way .it’s plainnurn all git up git out & GONE. Hey crapper,excuse me, I mean snapper, EXCUSE ME,Hey Snapped,HELP !!!
      Huey, my pal, just some more sick humor.Or maybe it’s tragic comedy. Actually, it’s not funny a tall.

       
      • Huey Campbell

        March 15, 2013 at 8:03 PM

        I’m gone keep thinking on it. I am afraid I would be expecting too much if I said it may come to me!

         
  8. bandit

    February 24, 2013 at 8:12 AM

    circumcise the heart and your consciousness will perceive that which is not seen and that which is not heard. first steps are always the hardest as it leads into the unknown.
    i have said enough to think about, im sure.

     
  9. Anthony Clifton

    February 24, 2013 at 8:43 AM

    knowledge of the truth is an admonition from the King

    Will The Creator/Almighty give all the nations a new and singular language (one language) when Jesus Christ returns to establish the Kingdom of God here on earth?

    Does Zephaniah 3:9 reveal to us that all the nations will be given, by The Almighty, the ability to speak one new language to clean up and purge, making pure, the lips of the people ?

    who determines value…http://kingjbible.com/proverbs/5.htm

    currency printers or….moneychangers ?

    http://www.opinion-maker.org/2011/01/us-in-the-land-of-double-standards/

    II SAM 20:24 “And Adoram was over the tribute”….

    I Kings 12:16-19

    So when all Israel saw that the king hearkened not unto them, the people answered the king, saying, What portion have we in David? neither have we inheritance in the son of Jesse: to your tents, O Israel: now see to thine own house, David. So Israel departed unto their tents.

    But as for the children of Israel which dwelt in the cities of Judah, Rehoboam reigned over them. Then king Rehoboam sent Adoram, who was over the tribute; and all Israel stoned him with stones, that he died.

    Therefore king Rehoboam made speed to get him up to his chariot, to flee to Jerusalem.

    So Israel rebelled against the house of David unto this day.

     
    • Sparky

      March 4, 2013 at 1:03 AM

      Anthony,
      who determines value (???)
      Here, it’s the Federal Reserve Corp.

       
  10. Morningstar

    February 24, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    To Alfred,huey,& bandit,

    Adask says > God even warns his enemies that he is about to beat the crap out of them “so they will know [teach them the lesson] that I am God.”

    Boy,that’s plain-nern hell,right huey? Makes sense to me, however,

    Re: > I could be mistaken. Maybe the “knowledge” without which God’s people “perish” is something other than knowing that our Father YHWH ha Elohiym is God.

    ALL of the disciples knew that “YHWH ha Elohiym is God.” ALL but one “perished” by/in a horrible death courtesy of the “powers that be” at that time. Also,I know of others who have been brutally murdered because they would not stop “preaching” the words of YHWH ha Elohiym.

    2 >huey,Re: Help please! You got that right ! Can’t git no plainnernat.

    2 > bandit.You,bandit say, look towards the Chinese understandings of the elements and the fifth element is metal. Bandit my hat is off to you.You cleared it all up with that statement especially as you, bandit, say, “…confusion stems from the yin and is expressed from the yang, yet to actually hear the message it must be accepted by the yin again.Bandit, I think this is where fools like me have been missing the truth i.e.” we have expressed from the yang but not accepted the yang by the yin again.” CLEAR as crystal. “Chinese understandings IS & are the keys,no doubt about it.The KEY word is, METAL.

     
    • bandit

      February 24, 2013 at 12:20 PM

      i am not clear, as i bare my own witness. correct me were i trespass.
      the yin, virgin mother, has a son, the yang. the son grows up to be father while defending the single parent he has been borne from upon the waters of life, the eternal. there is only but one true creator, the almighty being love and peace, both are passive in stance. the truth needs nothing to verify its existence yet cannot be proved to even exist. only in the creation of mind can we understand our true father, but it is through the son we begin, and with the “holy ghost” are we guided.

       
      • Morningstar

        February 24, 2013 at 3:27 PM

        bandit,
        You say,i am not clear, as i bare my own witness.
        I have heard of ying-yang. Does ying yang have anything to do with the matter? Is yin aka yang?
        As huey said, help, PLEASE !!

         
      • messianicdruid

        February 26, 2013 at 6:42 PM

        Y = life
        H = giver {feminine}
        W = law
        H = giver {masculine}

         
  11. Tony

    February 24, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Hi,

    Wow, I do see this quite differently. I confess that when it comes to God, morality is paramount. What is good? What is bad? WHO is God?

    Does someone know that God is God if someone believes things about God’s character that are completely repugnant to who God really is?

    Here is a rough parallel. Let’s say a child has been separated from his mother. Let’s say his mother is an exceptionally loving woman. Let’s say the child has seen photographs of his mother (that he is somehow separated from). Let’s say the child was told that his mother often liked to poke her kids with lit cigarettes.

    Let’s say the kid happens upon his mom (since he knows what she looks like). He points to her and exclaims, “That’s my mom!”

    One might conclude, “That kid KNOWS she is mom!”

    But, what if mom would never think to poke her kids with lit cigarettes. Could it be her perspective with respect to her kid is, “It means very little that you know who I am through an awareness of my physical appearance and it means everything to me that you know who I am according to an awareness of my HEART and son, you DON’T know me!”

    As far as I can see, this article is 100% absent the point of the above illustration. Knowing that God is, is 100% absent the concept of knowing WHO He is. And in the absence of that, there is nothing left.

    When Jesus was asked, “Show me the Father,” His answer was that to know the Son is to know the Father. As an example, look at how Jesus was with the mothers and their children, rather than ignoring them for “more important” things. THAT is what it means to know who God is.

    It is all about character.

    The Israelites were accused of Baal worship, Baal simply means Lord. They were crying, “Lord! Lord!” But, maybe they thought their Lord approved of and even commanded human sacrifice (for example). So, in such a case, does absolutely believing there is a God pass muster?

    The disciples asked Jesus if He should call down fire like Elijah did. What is Jesus’ answer? “You do not know what spirit that is.” He could have said, “You really don’t know God very well, do you?”

    An example of where this gets interesting is wrestling with OT texts. Did God REALLY command His people to slaughter everyone, including women and children?

    And so when someone says, “I know Him” and believes the above is Him…hmmmmmm.

    There are others who have wrestled with the Word in such a manner that the ultimate criteria is knowing the Father through the life of His Son. And have concluded that the God of the Jews is often described according to THEIR conception of Him (you know…the one who massacres and resorts to rules of engagement that would cause a Braveheart to be revolted – after all, the men battle and the others are spared).

    Baal worship. Lord! Lord!

    2 Samuel 14:14
    14 For we will surely die and become like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. Yet God does not take away a life; but He devises means, so that His banished ones are not expelled from Him.

    Blessings,

    Tony

     
    • Morningstar

      February 24, 2013 at 12:44 PM

      Hello Tony,
      What, in your opinion, is the knowledge lacking, when one of the scriptures say,my people are destroyed because of a lack of knowledge. What is this knowledge that the people don’t have & because they don’t have it, they are destroyed or in the process of being destroyed? OR, what knowledge is necessary to have to keep from being destroyed?

       
      • Tony

        February 24, 2013 at 12:59 PM

        Hi Morningstar,

        I think it is God’s character of love. As to how much is required? Oh boy, I need to stay clear of that!

        I tend to think the lot of the Jews is largely tied to their misunderstanding of God’s character. The Talmud is abundant with their view. The creed is supremacist. Non-Jews are “goy” (cattle) whose only purpose is to serve the Jew.

        Consider these quotes:
        “Why are the Jews hated? It is the inevitable result of their laws; they either have to conquer everybody or be hated by the whole human race…”

        “The Jewish nation dares to display an irreconcilable hatred toward all nations, and revolts against all masters; always superstitious, always greedy for the well-being enjoyed by others, always barbarous – cringing in misfortune and insolent in prosperity.” (Essai sur le Moeurs)

        “You seem to me to be the maddest of the lot. The Kaffirs, the Hottentots, and the Negroes of Guinea are much more reasonable and more honest people than your ancestors, the Jews. You have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables in bad conduct and in barbarism. You deserve to be punished, for this is your destiny.” (From a letter to a Jew who had written to him, complaining of his ‘anti-Semitism.’ Examen des Quelques Objections…dans L’Essai sur le Moeurs.)

        “The Feast of Tabernacles is the period when Israel triumphs over the other peoples of the world. That is why during this feast we seize the loulab and carry it as a trophy to show that we have conquered all the other people…” – Zohar (a text that the Kabbalah is based upon), Toldoth Noah, 63b.

        “The great ideal of Judaism is that the whole world shall be imbued with Jewish teachings, and that in a Universal Brotherhood of Nations–a greater Judaism, in fact–all the separate races and religions shall disappear.” – Jewish World, February 9, 1883.

        “The Jews [Zionists] energetically reject the idea of fusion with the other nationalities and cling firmly to their historical hope of world empire.” – Max Mandelstam, speaking at the World Zionist Congress, July 1898.

        Morningstar, the better they knew God (and in a manner consistent with living according to that knowledge), like natural law, the more they would not have suffered persecution.

        Talmudic Judaism does not teach turning the other cheek, rather it teaches the eventual subjugation of the entire world. In other words, a conception of the character of God that is totally inaccurate.

        So what has that brought them? Being kicked out of countries 149 times? See the natural law?

         
    • Adask

      February 24, 2013 at 12:53 PM

      Your analogy about “someone” telling the child that his mother liked to poke him with lighted cigarettes doesn’t accurately reflect the verses where God claims that He will make his people (and others) “know that he is God”. In your analogy some third party is lying to the child and misinforming the child about his mother. In the Biblical verses, God , Himself, is acting one way or another to let people see evidence of who He is. There’s no third party in the verses about God. God is revealing Himself by His own actions to His people–and sometimes even to His enemies.

      If your analogy were correct, the child would be learning about his missing mother from his missing mother–not from some third-party intervenor and liar. However, as your analogy appears, the child may “think” he “knows” about mom–but his “knowledge” is false because he’s been misled by a 3rd-party liar.

      That situation pretty well parallels our current situation in regard to truly “knowing” that our Father YHWH ha Elohiym is God. We appear to be largely misinformed by leaders and even priests as to the nature and existence of God. But the verses I quoted from the Bible indicate that God will overcome those lies–at least in relation to His own children–by presenting indirect evidence of His existence and nature that His children can see (if they care to) and receive (if they care to).

      As I read the verses I quoted, we don’t merely “perish for lack of knowledge” because the proper “knowledge” hasn’t been presented to us in a textbook. We “perish” because we do not seek the proper knowledge and/or because, even when evidence of the God’s existence is presented to us by God, we refuse to “get the message” and act accordingly. In the end, we can learn to “know” that He is God, “easy”–or we can learn to know that He is God, hard. But if the Bible is true, the Good LORD will at least make his people “know that He is God”.

      The knowledge that “He is God” is not merely sent to us; it must also be voluntarily “received”. It’s not enough to “get the textbook”–you must also make the effort of reading the textbook and choosing to receive the “knowledge”.

      Many of us don’t really want to “know” God. If we really “know” God, then we know that He’s the boss, He’s in control, you and I are at best His children and at worst His servants, but in any case, we are no longer “calling the shots” in our own lives. It may be that there’s a great porno video available on the internet tonight. But if you really “know” God, are you free to watch that video? Therefore, in order to maintain the freedom to choose to watch porn, many of us choose to “not know” God.

      The knowledge of God is CONSENSUAL. God may consent to make that knowledge available to His children. But His children must also consent to receive the knowledge. One question is whether you and I will consent to know that He is God from evidence as simple as a flower, as devastating as a nuclear war or somewhere in between.

       
    • Morningstar

      February 26, 2013 at 4:13 AM

      Tony,
      @ > I think it is God’s character of love.
      I’m convinced you are 100% correct. Too many people apparently don’t know what “character” means except for the “clown” like meaning. There is a thread on this blog about a clown, & he, the clown, is said to be a real “character.” People understand character in that sense.

       
  12. Anthony Clifton

    February 24, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    shucks, I was holding out for HEMP…

    “Some people don’t have the good sense of how to keep their lives on track. They have forgotten the wisdom of being moderate in all things. Or they never grew up.

    But learning how to live right isn’t something you can legislate. That’s the job of mom and dad, and the church, and the larger society where those who behave responsibly are rewarded.”

    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2013/feb/24/chris-peck-fighting-wrong-battles-over-pot/

    Then God said, Let the earth bud forth the bud of the herb, that seedeth seed, the fruitful tree, which beareth fruit according to his kind, which hath his seed in itself upon the earth: and it was so.

    And the earth brought forth the bud of the herb, that seedeth seed according to his kind, also the tree that beareth fruit, which hath his seed in itself according to his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/97jun/9706imp.htm

    And God said, Behold, I have given unto you every herb bearing seed, which is upon all the earth, and every tree, wherein is the fruit of a tree bearing seed: that shall be to you for meat.

    Likewise to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the heaven, and to everything that moveth upon the earth, which hath life in itself, every green herb shall be for meat, and it was so.

    food is medicine…even the green herb bearing seed

    whereas noone222 has observed oftimes, it is terribly imprudent to place our limitations on the Almighty….

     
    • bandit

      February 24, 2013 at 1:33 PM

      Interesting that you should bring cannabis into this. it is pure yin energy, although could be used for the wrong purpose as most things are, but the outright banning of the substance shows that the powers in control have within their scheme, to wipe out any relations that could be accessed to yin energies as much as possible. this banning is the work of demi-gods that want to seize control.

       
    • Morningstar

      February 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM

      Anthony Clifton,
      I think the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden was CRAB APPLES. What do you think? By the way, do you like “Mary Jane? ” I can walk into a room today,where people were snorting,etc.,it, Mary Jane, yesterday,& I become “seasick.” Why do you think this is?

       
      • Adask

        February 24, 2013 at 10:08 PM

        I think the forbidden fruit just outside the Garden may have been named “Lance”.

        As for your seasickness, maybe the “room” in question is on a boat? Maybe you could cure your seasickness with a good, strong dose of admiralty law.

         
  13. Tony

    February 24, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    I did reread the article more carefully and realize I overshot as the article does specifically refer to knowing something about who God is (the healthy fear).

    But, I think my long post still has a point to make as there is no mention of the importance of knowing Him as it relates to His character of love.

     
    • Adask

      February 24, 2013 at 1:18 PM

      I don’t deny that we will ultimately come to “know” God’s capacity for love. I’m simply quoting the Bible which declares that the beginning of “knowledge” is the fear of God. The “beginning” of knowledge is the fear of God. But that “fear” is not the “end” of knowledge.

      As I read it, the primary objective is to “know” that He is God. The first step towards reaching that knowledge is fearing God. Later, you can come to know God’s capacity for love. But first, you necessarily “fear” God much like you would be expected to “fear” a 50-foot tall giant. He is so big, so powerful, that your first reaction may be to fear Him. Only later will you discover that the “giant” is quite loving.

       
      • Tony

        February 25, 2013 at 10:42 PM

        I appreciate this Al.

        Thanks,

        Tony

         
  14. bandit

    February 24, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    ethics is the philosophy of morals. there is no truth to intellect if it is not fused with emotion.
    nous is the closest Greeks get to explaining the comprehension, yet a-gnostics prove that g_d cannot be shown to exist.

    there are many gods that are not the one true g_d and this takes many words to comprehend, yet final comprehension is only achieved by initiation from the baptism of the spirit itself. this evidence has been used to usurp the understandings to create a tragedy in which Dante so clearly states,

    “A greater force, a better law there is
    which forms your minds and freely you obey;
    no power the stars have over you in this.

    So if the present world has gone astray,
    in you is the cause, seek for it in you;
    thy true guide now I’ll be in what i say.”

     
    • Morningstar

      February 24, 2013 at 1:50 PM

      bandit,
      @ >…….Greeks get to explaining the comprehension,…
      Are you,bandit, saying now it is Greek knowledge combined with Chinese knowledge that is needed to comprehend & have a knowledge of the truth?

       
      • bandit

        February 24, 2013 at 2:02 PM

        knowledge is not needed to know the truth. it is written in the scripture of how one can seek the truth for themselves without any amount of intelligence what so ever. its not rocket science at all.
        the seeking of truth in an external fashion does nothing but take one further from the truth in the first instance. the truth is here and now yet people fail to comprehend. discussing truth is not really viable as it is a the same as two blind men describing the elephant that resides in the same room. what i write can and cannot help in you see my point, but i am impelled to try and help none the less. meditation is a very good way to find oneself, and at once, the knowledge of oneself is the beginning of the journey. you are and me is you, it all becomes words that confuse yet has meaning when one understands. there is an absolute, the creator, this is the only truth one needs to know. everything else is partial ti this truth.

         
  15. bandit

    February 24, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    and to just confuse even more G_d is not the creator, this can be read in the Vedic Scriptures for more clarity.

     
    • Morningstar

      February 24, 2013 at 3:47 PM

      bandit,
      I know it has to be frustrating for you, to say the least, for trying to get a point or ideas across to idiots like me. You ARE very patient. What are the “vedic” scriptures? Do I have to understand Greek & Chinese to be able to read these “vedic scriptures If you tell me where I may find them? THANKS !!! Hey huey,* Anon for fun, HELP !!!

       
      • bandit

        February 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

        the Vedas were written before Christs time. they are the basis of Hinduism. their Christ figure is Krishna. Vishnu although is similar as g_d is known as “Preserver of the universe”. the Vedic scriptures are not unlike the Semitic BUT they are more involuted and the hierarchy is not as easily distinguishable as that which western man is taught.
        seems like not many people search for understanding the mysteries that have been handed down over many thousands of years. as i have written, searching the exterior for truth is a mind field for discernment. here is a primer that although is a very long read might shed some light on what is being discussed. http://www.golden-dawn.com/eu/UserFiles/en/File/pdf/Massey_Gerald_-_Ancient_Egypt_The_Light_of_the_World_Vol_1.pdf this is one mans view, and i would suggest reading many more books that came about in the turn of the last century (circa1900).
        i feel this is not going anywhere as i am not a good teacher, being erratic in expressions and as you sympathize, could become frustrated. peace to all.

         
    • Morningstar

      February 24, 2013 at 7:06 PM

      bandit,
      Thanks for the links. You say, in pertinent part,….”being erratic in expressions.”
      Maybe you have been reading too many of my comments & it has worn off on you.I don’t see where you are erratic whatsoever. When someone like me,god forbid, doesn’t know ying from yang, it does cause severe headaches,mental problems. Again, thanks for the links.

       
  16. Anon4fun

    February 24, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    Morningstar (not Don Bailey),

    Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

    This is knowledge Israel “rejected”. A lost priesthood is mentioned. Then we read that Israel had forgotten “the law”. So it seems that this knowledge, the rejection of which caused Israel to be destroyed, had to do with their covenant with God.

    As to what is meant by “Babylon” in Revelation:

    Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

    Jerusalem, not Rome or New York, is the great city (of antiquity) where our Lord was crucified.

    Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

    “Babylon…that great city”. It doesn’t get much clearer.

    Revelation 17:4-6 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

    Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

    The preceding two passages from chapter 17, taken together, mean Babylon is a certain great city. And there is only one city that could be considered “drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus” in the mid-first century AD.

    Revelation 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

    We saw Babylon clothed in purple and scarlet, decked with gold, etc. in Revelation 17, as quoted above.

    Revelation 18:21-24 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

    Q: In what city did they find “the blood of the prophets”?

    Luke 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

    A: Jerusalem.

    Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

    This is a warning to get out Jerusalem before it is destroyed. Note, however, that Babylon is a metaphor which is used differently in different books of the Bible.

     
    • Morningstar

      February 25, 2013 at 12:07 AM

      Anon4fun,Thanks,Anon4fun,

      IF “Babylon” only “comprises” Jerusalem, then most of us are out of Babylon,& as the scripture says, come out of her my people,we are not in Babylon to come out of her(Babylon).However, you also say that Babylon is a metaphor which is used differently in different books of the Bible. I’m not smart enough to know what this means, for sure,but you have given me something to look for,i.e. research. By the way, before I ever post a comment on any blog, I read comments from others,(trying to get a handle on things) for several days before I post anything or ask any questions. The first thread on this blog I recall reading was what I at least thought was the very first thread with comments from anyone. I remember a David Merrell commenting quite a few times. I have folders from A to Z where I cut & paste comments from others.that impress me,& I probably,subconsciously paraphrase or use verbatim in my comments what impressed me from others.I have a lot of your comments in the A folder.(A for Anon).There have been others who impressed me with their comments ,e.g. Christian Gaines,<WOW,&,Michael,the one who who did research on Dennis Craig. I remember PatriotOne, who made me laugh a lot. He made Soooo much sense. At least to me. Yes,& Don too. To me,he was the most "colorful" of all of them. Then there is Lex M.( can't remember how he spelled his last name,Merc,is all I remember,& a few others. But,regardless of who you think I am, I think you like me Anon4fun or you would not have responded as you did with a thorough explanation with all the time & effort you put into it Anyway,thanks for your response. I saw,& remember one time where you made a comment, & you next asked a question, your question was,why dat? made me laugh. Thanks again. testing your perceptiveness about your own comments, remember,why dat? If not, I'll send you the cut & paste of it. Shows the date,time,etc & the thread which I cannot at this time recall off the top of my head. BUT I do have it in the A folder.Thanks again,Anon4fun..

       
      • Timmy

        February 26, 2013 at 10:27 PM

        I think a comparison of the statue in Daniel to Babylon in Revelation will show that “Babylon” is a worldview or belief system: that man is god. This is the philosophical thread of the enemy which runs down thru the ages… ancient babylon, rome, catholicism (Papacy), Nietchze, Nazisim, new age and on and on it goes. In opposition to the Truth: that God is God and man is simply His creation in His image. Potter and clay, if you will.

         
    • Sparky

      March 4, 2013 at 2:03 AM

      Anon4fun
      February 24, 2013 at 8:20 PM
      Re:>Morningstar (not Don Bailey),

      I see that both you & Adask write this. What is this all about?

       
  17. rl

    February 24, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    Adask, I appreciate your discussion about what the most important thing in life is. The law of Moses. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and might. Love your neighbor as yourself. You see we as mankind had a perfect relationship with God in the garden of eden. But sin separated us from our relationship and mankind was driven out of the garden. Gods purpose, is for us to have a restored relationship with him. The message was for the Jews first, but when they rejected Christ who is God incarnate, who said a new covenant I give you. A blood covenant just like Abrahams, but one that takes away the sin of man, not just cover it like sacrificing animals. Offered to all who accept it, free, not by works lest any man boast. But Christ had to be fully God and fully man, for him to atone for the sins of man. If not God his blood would not cover every sin, if not man he couldn’t die for us. There is one name under heaven by which a man can be saved, Jesus. He is the word of God. The Bible says every knee will bow every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Jesus is Gods’ plan to save mankind, he came as a servant, and will return King of Kings. John the Baptist recognised who Christ was and that he was sinless. Jesus asked his disciples “Who do men say that I am. Peter answers you are the Christ, the son of the Living God. He is the way the truth and the life, no man can see the Father unless through him, his blood. Jesus said in Matt. chapter 7. Many in that day will say Lord, Lord have we not prophesied in your name cast out demons and performed many miracles. So what is missing? The devil knows there is a God and trembles, but he won’t bow his knee, his will. Unless we submit out will to God and believe on his son, we miss the boat. The path that leads to destruction is wide, The path to God is narrow, enter through the narrow gate. Paraphrase. Thanks for your articles. Peace and Love

     
    • Morningstar

      February 25, 2013 at 12:45 AM

      Hello,rt,
      I think Alfred will agree with everything you say except the “God incarnate” aspect.Sometimes I thought of “God” existing as infinite intelligent energy. If there was only one eternal being,existing as such, this being could very well partake of “himself” & bring into existence another,the SAME as he is.If,so, this would still make the ONE “prior” existing infinite energy superior to the one he “created.” & since this eternal energy is eternal, that which he creates from himself, is also eternal because the “new” being sprang from an eternal energy. You can take a gallon of water & change a portion of it into ice,but it is still the same substance.I think the “banned Don” gave a clue when he asked why was Adam created from the “dust” & Eve created from Adam who existed BEFORE Eve existed. Regardless, IF we could only say truthfully & sincerely as King David did, “Oh how I love thy (your) law, we would have it made & understand some of the “secret things” of YHWH by & by.Thanks for your post,rt. I appreciate it.

       
    • Anthony Clifton

      February 25, 2013 at 7:43 AM

      seriuosly….. ?

      “The message was for the Jews first”,…? the Yiddish speaking “Jews”…Gog & Magogs ?

      what real evidence is there for this delusional substantial misstatement of fact…

      http://www.israelect.com/reference/Willie-Martin/

      perhaps, it would help others if you could provide some actual PROOF as to when the First s0called “Jew” shows up in the pages of History…er um the Bible

      http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/the-war-on-kids/

      was the first so-called “Jew” called Cain, or Esau…or the Bad Figs of Judah..

      or just the moneychangers & Pharisees & scribes and “Lawyers”…?

       
      • Sparky

        March 4, 2013 at 3:13 AM

        Anthony,
        > ..:was the first so-called “Jew” called Cain, or Esau…or the Bad Figs of Judah..”

        One of the 12 sons of “Jacob” was Judah. As you know, all the brothers of Joseph hated him. All agreed Joseph had to be eliminated. Judah had a better idea. He thought of a way to “get rid of him” & also “make a buck” at it. Still, the sons of Israel are ALL Israelites. Judah & his offspring are aka Jews,aka Judeans.All “true “jews” are Israelites BUT not all Israelites are Jews.

         
      • Anthony Clifton

        March 4, 2013 at 6:42 AM

        No Talmud equals no “Jew” [Talmud printed/writtten in 500AD]

        http://www.israelect.com/reference/Willie-Martin/JewOrigin.html

        Khazars made “Proselytes” in 8th century AD [90% of so-called "Jews"]

        http://www.israelect.com/reference/Willie-Martin/IsraelTruth.html

        there were never any so-called “Jews” in the Old Testament…true or false

        http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2013/03/blind-spot.html

         
      • Huey Campbell

        March 4, 2013 at 6:48 PM

        I an;t up on everything but, I might need to keep my mouth shut. They probably wern’t no “Jews” in the old testament.
        Seems like I remember looking to see where the first place the word “Jew” was in the King James bible and it was Mordecai the “Jew” what hanged wicked Haman on his own gallows….Purim

         
  18. NDT

    February 25, 2013 at 12:20 AM

    But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice:
    Matthew 9:13

    But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
    Matthew 12:7

    For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of Elohim more than burnt offerings.
    Hosea 6:6

     
    • Morningstar

      February 25, 2013 at 1:02 AM

      NDT,
      I thinketh I knoweth what it meaneth. I believe thou knoweth 2, i.e. what it meaneth.

       
  19. bandit

    February 25, 2013 at 4:45 AM

    here is a link that maybe of interest to those seeking “knowledge” http://www.bostonleadershipbuilders.com/herodotus/index.htm

     
    • Morningstar

      February 26, 2013 at 4:23 AM

      bandit,
      You persuade me to think that you are a very lonely,unhappy man. Am I right? If, so, saying you are not alone doesn’t help, I know, but my heart goes out to you. There is a difference in being alone & lonely.

       
      • bandit

        February 26, 2013 at 6:31 AM

        I thank you for the love, but do not assume i am lonely. Being all one is not so easy while i see divisions among men upon the earth, and while my brothers and sisters are dying, How else should i feel but dismayed by the battle that G-d has set before us. Love and its lack is no fault of heavens, yet the G-ds that rule will have it their own way. peace be upon you.

         
  20. Peg-Powers

    February 25, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    I’m late jumping in here, but forgive me. There is POWER experienced in being born of the Spirit, in coming to know Christ and walking with Him. If you are not experiencing that POWER, you are shortchanged, limited, and handicapped by your head. That POWER is an inner Spirit generator…..which guides you into all truth which will come your way. This is our inheritance. Reach out and humbly possess your inheritance.

    Also there is POWER in obeying the words of the God-Man Savior who told us exactly HOW to pray if we wish to have answers: “FATHER, who art in heaven, in Jesus name (blood-bought authority) I pray etc.” Please do not overlook this instruction—-how more precise can it be? I never in my life referred to my earthly father as Lord Honorable Robert Daniel Osborne; he is/was so much more than that. He was simply “FATHER”. Let’s get simple. POWER is needed. Do you/we have it? What are you waiting for? Peg

     
  21. Timmy

    February 25, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    I think some etymology might show that the biblical concept of “know” is along the line of an intimate, extremely close relationship. I always brace myself when you take up a theological topic… you explore some good ideas, and always with open minded humility, which is great. But it’s not really your strong suit. It might be nice to continue the citation list with some New Testament verses, as that is the culmination of the progressive revealing….

     
    • Morningstar

      February 26, 2013 at 2:02 AM

      Timmy,
      @ > “I think some etymology might show that the biblical concept of “know” is along the line of an intimate, extremely close relationship. ” (True ! True ! True !)

      And Adam “knew” his wife….. (a scripture that gives the “physical” meaning) YHWH is a spirit & must be worshiped in spirit. To say, my spirit is with you is just another way of saying my thoughts are with you.

      It’s the word,”knew” & understanding it in the context in which it is written. This is also why I do not have a problem with the word,”person” as some people do. It depends on how it is defined. If you think I’m wrong,please advise. When I was in Germany they had a soft drink there called Ass-Cola. This is the truth. Don’t know if they still do. I’m going to do a search after this post to see if they still do. Anyway, that 3 letter word.here, means something entirely different. Thanks for your comment,Timmy. I hope mine does not offend you.BUT, unless it is understood the way it is not meant to be, it will.

       
      • NDT

        February 26, 2013 at 4:10 AM

        “YHWH is a spirit”.

        Spirits don’t have a physical form, but YHWH does, since he ate a meal with Abraham (Genesis 18)

         
      • Timmy

        February 26, 2013 at 10:24 PM

        No offense taken. Yes, the whole totality is the “person”. The entire beingness in the “knowing” relationship; mental, physical, spiritual and emotional. A sublime connection that transcends the simply intellectual knowledge.

         
    • Morningstar

      February 26, 2013 at 2:06 AM

      Peg-Powers,
      @ > There is POWER experienced in being born of the Spirit,
      Sure is. Awesome power too !!! Are you born of the Spirit or do you know of anyone who is ?

       
  22. Morningstar

    February 26, 2013 at 4:37 AM

    NDT
    February 26, 2013 at 4:10 AM
    @ >“YHWH is a spirit”.
    @ > Spirits don’t have a physical form, but YHWH does, since he ate a meal with Abraham (Genesis 18)

    Scripture mention his “ear” & his eye, his arm. I would think this means a spirit has such but in spirit “form/substance.” I do know that a spirit being can manifest himself into a “flesh & bone entity” as yeshua (Jesus) did, AFTER his resurrection,but I don’t believe a “flesh being” as you & I are,can do this. That which is born of the flesh IS flesh, and that which is born of the spirit IS spirit. Big difference.

     
    • NDT

      February 26, 2013 at 2:02 PM

      “That which is born of the flesh IS flesh, and that which is born of the spirit IS spirit.”

      A being can have both spirit and flesh:

      That the sons of the Elohim saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
      And YHWH said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh
      Gen 6:2-3

       
      • Morningstar

        February 27, 2013 at 8:50 AM

        NDT
        @ >…the sons of the Elohim…….”
        They were also descendants of Adam & Eve. I think you will probably disagree, but then why did “God” say his spirit will not always strive with “MAN.” This is in context to the “sons of “God” & the daughters of men/mankind. Would you say, saying or writing daughters of “God” is offensive. I don’t think so. NONE of the translations of the “Holy Bible” are “divinely inspired” NONE OF THEM. They are only translations, period.

         
      • NDT

        March 2, 2013 at 5:19 AM

        @Morningstar

        You’re right, I disagree. :)

        Re: why did “God” say his spirit will not always strive with “MAN.”

        YHWH said that was because man also was flesh (Gen 6:3). I agree that translations are not divinely inspired, but do you have any reason for discounting them? I can name three verses that indicate that Elohim has a physical form much like man’s, i.e. male and female, but only two churches (Anglican & Presbyterian) who officially maintain the opposite.

         
  23. huey campbell

    February 26, 2013 at 4:54 AM

    Peg wrote: “what you waiting for?”
    Peg I am waiting for you to do some study and tell me what the “real name” of the one many refer to as Jesus actually is.

    All these prayers, “in Jesus name”….if you sign a check with a bogus name, who’s gonna cash it?

     
    • Morningstar

      February 27, 2013 at 12:00 AM

      huey,Oh No No huey, You aint screwy & I no u-ull thank that I-muh loon if you saw me uhh howlin at thuh moon. Due most of my howlin N the munth of June.Why is that ? All kidding aside, and,
      Re: >the “real name” of the one many refer to as Jesus actually is.
      Please tell me. Then spell it as it should be pronounced. Okey Doak ? Thanks,my friend (I hope)

       
      • Huey Campbell

        February 27, 2013 at 5:09 AM

        I am backed into a corner, I put myself there. I must reveal my ignorance.

        Here is what I Think the name of the god/man, whose daddy was not a human is:
        Ye-ho-shu-ah? perhaps, Yah-shu-ah/ Some one said it meant, The salvation of Yah?

        I don’t think Jesus was a word that got translated.

         
  24. Yartap

    February 26, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Alfred,

    I remembered these verses about the new covenant. Hebrews 8:11 states that ALL will know the Lord, so there is no need to teach others about Him. The “Him” or “Me” is the Lord Jesus Christ. What are your thoughts or anybody else thoughts? With the new covenant, do we all “know” God, if Christ is His representative on earth?

    Hebrews 8:8-13 New King James Version (NKJV)
    “8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel ( the tribes divorced from God, Hosea 4:6, and Jeremiah 3:8) after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

    11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.

    12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more. 13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

    Anon4fun & Moringstar,

    Hosea 4:1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no TRUTH, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land.

    “It’s not what you DON’T KNOW that hurts you so; it’s what you KNOW that is NOT SO (that hurts you).” – Maxim. In other words, MOST in society believe many LIES to be TRUTHS! This can be called BLINDNESS.

    If the TRUTH is not in one, can that one be His?

    Just thought you would like to know:

    NYPD officers hit their targets in actual gunfights 34% of the time; and LAPD officers hit their targets in actual gunfights 27% one year to 31% another year. So out of a fifteen round hand-gun clip, the trained police will only have 5 rounds make their target. So, at best, one out of every three rounds will hit the mark.

    TheEvidentSpirit,

    I understand your worries, I have experienced the same feelings. But, let us share this: Let us pray to God for strength (even Jesus prayed for strength from fear in the garden before His death); and train up your children (don’t like them become dependent upon you) in the ways they should go. And when you and I are not there for our children, they will fight evil, also. Amen!

    Duane,

    I respectfully submit to you that the 2nd Amendment is a RIGHT that is not subject to government control or regulation. The only thing that government can do is insure the Right will stand for all by removing any law which may stand in the way of one from protecting themselves from the government (the reason for the amendment).

    Who will insure gun safety? Will It be you? What happens if I or some other idiot does not pass your test for gun safety? Will you deny me MY unalienable Right from God?

    The point is this: idiots, felons, criminals and good people have the Right to fight off their evil governments!

    Anon4fun and Alfred,

    Let me give to you my thoughts of the phrasing of the 2nd Amendment. The first part of the Amendment states a Preamble or true Statement as follows: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,…” What do I mean by “true Statement?”

    It is true that the Constitution makes and gives power to Congress to regulate the armed forces and “militia” when called into service for the nation. So, what is the preamble saying? It is saying, “Hey look, sense We the national government are regulating the armed forces and militias of each State for national service and the protection of a free State; to protect the people from the tyranny, We may commit, every individual will have the Right to bear Arms to protect each from the governments. Now, that is a restrictive clause!

    Al wrote,

    “The 2nd Amendment is not license for individuals to unilaterally decide to shoot the treasonous whores. Because the militia is involved in the 2nd Amendment, it appears that no one should be shot until the militia decide on who to shoot and why. The process of making such decisions is not specified.”

    Al, your right, the 2nd Amendment is not a “license;” but rather, it is a “Right” for an individual to unilaterally decide to shoot treasonous whores! The militia does not decide who to shoot, rather it is you and others. Remember, you may be fighting the militia used in the service of the national government! The process of making such decisions is now specified. It is not the militia!

    Palani,

    Try this one….

    The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with crime or criminals, but criminals do make good target practice for exercising the 2nd Amendment Right.

    Morningstar,

    I’m not trying to test you. It is just my belief that we are granted individual Rights and not collective Rights under our Bill of Rights. As I have said before, each may have to fight his or her militia. So, I equate “people” to mean “all individuals” with the Right to bear Arms and not the militia.

    Al,

    That is a great point about future governments imposing tyranny upon us. All have witnessed the change, for the worst, in our people, society and governments.

    Palani,

    Oh so true! I do not have a 2nd Amendment Right to shoot a criminal, skeet, deer, birds or vermin. Those are just side benefits of the Amendment. But, the 2nd Amendment is a legal defense for shooting a government actor who commits tyranny.

     
    • Yartap

      February 26, 2013 at 12:27 PM

      Sorry for the bad copy. My reply should have stopped at the end of the Hebrews verses!

       
    • Snapper

      March 3, 2013 at 3:07 PM

      Yartap
      > Hosea 4:1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel…”
      I take the above scripture to mean that you & I are a portion/part of the “children of Israel.” Do you agree?

       
      • Huey Campbell

        March 3, 2013 at 3:27 PM

        “Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ …And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” Galatians 3:16…29

         
      • Yartap

        March 13, 2013 at 8:45 PM

        Snapper,

        Sorry for the late reply. Your question’s answer is possible (true) and also impossible (false). You see Hosea was the prophet sent to the House of Israel, please read Hosea 1: 1 and 1: 11 to see that there are two groups (House/children of Israel and House/children of Judah) which make up the family of Jacob (Israel). So, it depends upon which is your family, Israel or Judah or another.

        Many do not know that Jesus Christ was sent to seek and save that which was lost. Q: But what loss? A: The House of Israel. You see Hosea tells us that God “divorced” the House of Israel. Now read Romans Chapter 7 to find out the reason for Christ’s death and being raised from the grave.

         
      • Huey Campbell

        March 14, 2013 at 4:10 AM

        “I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin”

        Brother Yartap, do you think this might be the verse the married preacher quotes to the married piano player, when he undresses her in the hotel room and each knows they are not “married” to the other?

         
  25. Morningstar

    February 27, 2013 at 6:39 AM

    Huey,
    U ant ignurnt a tall. Huey, did you know it’s better to have loved a short girl than never to have loved a tall? I think you are 100% correct re: the name. I researched volumes on this “Name” of “God” & the closest thing,I GUESS, to the “truth” (?) I came across was from a group (<?) called "The Assembly of Yahweh, somewhere in Pennsylvania, who said, after 100 pages that they were 99.99% SURE that they KNEW the correct spelling & how to pronounce the correct spelling. The thought entered my mind as to why they did not say,100% SURE. Anyway, I cannot believe that YHWH will throw ANYONE into the Lake of fire to become deadnern hell because he/she didn't pronounce his name right, which also makes me think that people who say,G.D. this & G.D. that are not usung YHWH's name in vain.
    You could have said, let's wait & see what peg sys first, but then I think we would be waiting a long long time, so THANKS for the answer. I hope I did not back you up into a corner. Certainly didn't mean to. IF I did, I did not do it out of IG-nurnce, I did it out of stupidity. Thanks again for your answer.

     
    • Morningstar

      February 27, 2013 at 7:20 AM

      Huey, sorry for m-r mis spellins, e.g., usung,using,sys,says. Darn it.

       
  26. Morningstar

    February 27, 2013 at 7:14 AM

    Timmy
    @ > Potter and clay, if you will.
    Makes sense to me. YHWH said to Adam,Dust (clay) you are & unto dust you shall return. When I consider the scriptures that say, For “God” so loved the world …..,I believe the world means people IN the world (<Earth). Then,we have Satan who deceives the whole world (< people), It is my belief that Satan is the author of confusion. Babylon itself means confusion. Therefore, this is why I think we are existing in a "state of confusion" no matter where we are in the world (< Earth). HOWEVER, I do not believe we have to STAY confused. I ALWAYS ask for correction.

     
    • Timmy

      February 27, 2013 at 6:21 PM

      Well put. Yes.

       
      • Morningstar

        February 27, 2013 at 9:44 PM

        Thanks Timmy,
        It seems like a good idea that I better shut up while I’m ahead. Your comments exceed mine anyway. so I’ll sit back & try to absorb what you, & Huey. say.

         
    • kennywally

      April 28, 2013 at 12:02 PM

      Morningstar, Thank you for that reminder about the clay. forgive me, this is actually an aside or side bar to the great comments. Remember when the Messiah showed us how to heal with the clay? Most of us attributed the healing powers to the Messiah and not to the clay. I have about 5 books on clay and wanted to take this opportunity to have folks check out the amazon book reviews on the clay and it’s healing powers that most of us have overlooked also search for testimonials on clay or healing powers of clay and please read them, as there are many!

       
  27. Huey Campbell

    February 27, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    My Friend MorningStar,

    I don’t really feel like God would send us to hell because we prayed, “Our Father…hallowed be thy name”, never realizing he even had a -Name- . God has a way yonder more mercy than he does meanness. He an’t mean none at all. And, he has a big plenty of mercy. Man looks on the outward but, God knows we would call his name -IF- we knew it.

    We can completely trust ourselves to God. He is worthy of our trust.

    And, see here now don’t you, we got a saying down here in the south that cuts folk a whole lot of slack, ” Bless their heart they just don’t know no better”

     
    • Morningstar

      February 27, 2013 at 9:54 PM

      Huey Campbell
      February 27, 2013 at 6:33 PM

      WOW !!! I LOVE YOU !!! I’m SURS !!! Yah The Eternal is not mean 1 i-o tur. There is a thang called rye-chus-N durg-nayshun. BRING IT ON. It’s going to happen anyway & the sooner the better. BUT it is selfish for me to say this,i.e. bring it on. Bless your “precious heart”,Huey.

       
    • Morningstar

      February 27, 2013 at 10:19 PM

      Huey,
      P.S. >Bless their heart they just don’t know no better”
      Yahshua agrees. “Father (Eli) forgive them for they know not what they do.” This statement alone should be a proof of vastly superior intelligence, perception,agape love,etc YES,so true, greater love has no man than one who would give his life for his friends.Brings tears to my eyes every time I think about it.especially when I “see” when he said this he was so brutally beaten he did not even resemble (look like) a man. I guess that is where we get the expression, beaten to a pulp. Well it happened to Yashua, beaten to a pulp.It’s heart wrenching. How many are aware of this ? Very few,at best. Anyway, yaul take kar o yo-sefs daun thar. be back predney.

       
  28. Sparky

    February 28, 2013 at 6:32 AM

    Isaiah 52:14
    His appearance was so disfigured
    that He did not look like a man,
    and His form did not resemble a man.

    And from another translation,

    But many were amazed when they saw him.
    His face was so disfigured he seemed hardly human,
    and from his appearance, one would scarcely know he was a man.

     
    • NDT

      March 2, 2013 at 5:00 AM

      Your translations are misleading.

      ISR’s “The Scriptures” has:

      As many were astonished at You – so the disfigurement beyond any man’s and His form beyond the sons of men

      While this translation is better it still falls short because it assumes the word “His”. The subject of the disfigurement is implied by context, particulary shamem :”astonishment” / “amazement”, i.e. many were appalled by the disfigurement.

      More accurately the word shamem here means appalled:

      1) to be desolate, be appalled, stun, stupefy
      a) (Qal)
      1) to be desolated, be deflowered, be deserted, be appalled
      2) to be appalled, be awestruck

      but the soul of the treacherous (בגדים) [shall eat] violence.
      Proverbs 13:2

       
      • Snapper

        March 3, 2013 at 1:02 PM

        NDT
        Re: Your translations are misleading. < (???)

        I cannot find ANY "Sparky" translations." I think Sparky used other translations,e.g. New International translation version,etc.,It appears that you,NDT used a translation that fit "your" way of "seeing" something unless of course the translation you used was/is YOUR own translation.
        Appalled,Amazed,astonished,take your pick. I'm amazed,NDT,at your straining. I know you are probably appalled by this statement.

         
      • NDT

        March 3, 2013 at 2:24 PM

        @Snapper

        The translation of Isaiah 52:14 is ISR’s “The Scriptures”. The thing about translations is that they _should_ render the text based on the immediate context, which is what I believe the ISR translation does.

        The translation of Proverbs 13:2 is from the KJV, but I changed transgressors to treacherous because that is the meaning of the Hebrew word bagadym (בגדים). The parallel verses show how some translators have used the correct word and some have not.

        Strongs H898 – bagad
        1) to act treacherously, deceitfully, deal treacherously
        a) (Qal) to act or deal treacherously, faithlessly, deceitfully, offend

        http://bible.cc/proverbs/13-2.htm

        I’m not appalled by your statement, it’s hardly unexpected that a Christian will try to find fault with interpretations which contradicts his core belief.

         
      • Snapper

        March 3, 2013 at 3:54 PM

        NDT,

        You KNOW that NONE, no not ONE, or anyone of the “translations” is,or,are “divinely inspired.” I’m
        glad to see that you use Strong’s Concordance. IF we could at least understand the “golden rule”
        alike & APPLY it, this other less important & important knowledge would sooner or later be known.
        What we do is put the cart before/in front of the horse. There are some people who are superior in
        intelligence,with hearts of stone.There are some who have love in their hearts but not much intelligence & there are a FEW superior intelligent beings who ALSO have love in their hearts. When I say love, I don’t mean lust. Once again, if you say you are appalled at something & I say I am astonished at seeing the same thing that is appalling to you, we are actually saying the same thing & neither one of us has the right to rebuke,etc., the other for simply using a different word, i.e., appalled v. astonished. However, some people would be “shocked” if they really knew what Christ looked like on the cross. Some people even put the cross above Christ. What he died on,hanging FROM is more important than the ONE limply hanging on it. Songs have even been written about the “superiority” of the cross, e.g., “Kneel at the cross.” I will cling to the “ol rugged cross,etc.”

        The cross is Satan’s emblem of glory & superiority & those who think the cross is somehing special think that I am be-smirching something sacred. I want to cling to the one that WAS on the cross,i.e. The Christ, and I will not cling to the emblem of suffering & SHAME,aka the ol rugged cross.

         
  29. Huey Campbell

    February 28, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    Thank you God for becoming ‘One of us” Please help us to have a character like yours. We want to know as we are known.

     
  30. Sparky

    March 4, 2013 at 1:47 AM

    messianicdruid,

    You say,
    Y = life
    H = giver {feminine}
    W = law
    H = giver {masculine}

    If the above is true, the this is how it should be understood
    Y = life
    T = taker {feminine}
    W = law
    H = giver {masculine},OR,

    Y = life
    R = receiver {feminine}
    W = law
    H = giver {masculine}

    This would make the YHWH translation into YTWH or YRWH.
    You have to be careful with these feminine character & illustrations. On the other hand, if you have a “good one” (woman) it’s one of the best things that has happened or can happen in your life. A man recently won a contest by his defining the difference between the words, “complete & finished.” He said if you have a good woman you are complete. If you have a bad woman you are finished.

     
  31. Sparky

    March 4, 2013 at 3:25 AM

    NDT,
    Your post on March 2, 2013 at 5:19 AM
    I know you are saying Spirit beings(Sons of God) married flesh female beings(daughters of men). Yahshua(Jesus) said that spirit beings do not marry. I know you will disagree with this too..

     
    • NDT

      March 4, 2013 at 4:00 AM

      Sparky, what I said was that a being can have both spirit and flesh. According to the Bible, YHWH ate a meal with Abraham. He has both flesh and spirit regardless of what the Anglican church says.

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 28, 2013 at 4:46 AM

        NDT
        After Christ was resurrected, he “appeared” to his disciples & said feel me for a spirit does not have flesh & bones as you see I have. NDT, this was a manifestation from spirit to flesh. Spirits have the ability to do this. We,as flesh do not have this ability. Christ also “vanished” right before their eyes, later, after the manifestation. You & I cannot do that. Spirit beings can manifest themselves into anything they want too. This is how we got the saying,holy cow. A cow suddenly appeared, then disappeared right before the eyes of some people. We have holy this & holy that.All stemming from manifestations. Actually, I believe these “spirit beings” are demons that pull these stunts,e.g.,appear as cows cows, fish, etc. Remember, holy mackerel ? Then we have “holy s..t.” I could say holy crap I guess. BUT what is holy about it? NOTHING.

         
  32. Sparky

    March 4, 2013 at 3:48 AM

    NDT
    March 3, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    It’s certain that you’re not a christian NDT. A true christian is “Christ-like.” I wish I could truthfully say I am like Christ. I wish I could truthfully say I’m even a “chip off the block.” But,I cannot. I think you are of the “muslim” faith/belief. I stand to be corrected. BUT be truthful. Actually, I don’t think you will come right out & say you are a Muslim, but it’s evident to me that you are.Probably not to anyone else though. AND above all I’m not saying you are wrong being a Muslim.

     
    • NDT

      March 4, 2013 at 3:54 AM

      Sparky, my beliefs are not important, only the truth is important.

       
      • Snapper

        March 4, 2013 at 4:04 PM

        NDT
        @Sparky, my beliefs are not important, only the truth is important.

        Seems like you are saying your beliefs are not based on truth if your beliefs are not important,as you say and since you say the truth & only the truth is important.

         
      • NDT

        March 6, 2013 at 2:38 AM

        @Snapper,
        How do my beliefs differ from the truth?

         
  33. Sparky

    March 6, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    NDT,
    @How do my beliefs differ from the truth?
    Both YOU and Snapper have answered your question. The answer is in your very statement itself,NDT.

     
    • NDT

      March 7, 2013 at 1:33 AM

      I guess it would be too much to expect you to be honest about it, Sparky.

      Just like you misrepresented me when you said:
      “I know you are saying Spirit beings(Sons of God) married flesh female beings(daughters of men).”

       
      • Sparky

        March 7, 2013 at 6:51 AM

        NDT,
        I am being honest. It apparently is a matter of wrong presumtions & misunderstanding. Things can be understood differently. You say your beliefs are not important. Then you say only the truth is important. I want my beliefs to be important because only the truth is important.I want my beliefs to be the truth. Ok, let me ask you this way. In your unimportant beliefs,as YOU say they (your beliefs)are,who were the sons of God who saw the daughters of men? Let’s go from there. Your answer will be appreciated. Also, please tell me how any being “consisting” of flesh can create the sun with-out being “burned?”

         
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 29, 2013 at 1:37 AM

        NDT,You are saying your beliefs are not the truth when you say only the truth is important & you say your beliefs are not important. See or get the picture?

         
  34. Sparky

    March 6, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Yartap
    February 25, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    Yartap,if someone tells me something & I KNOW it’s not so, this helps me. If someone tells me something & I don’t know IF it’s “so” & I give him/her the benefit of the doubt that it is so & find out later it’s not, that is what hurts, or,could hurt.

     
    • Yartap

      March 13, 2013 at 8:20 PM

      Sparky,

      Sorry for the late reply to your March 6th at 1:42 PM.

      Finding the truth, no matter how much it hurts, is always a good thing. But, never finding the truth or living a lie is possible subjection to the Lake of Fire. We are to always seek the truth by knocking upon all doors.

       
  35. Huey Campbell

    March 7, 2013 at 7:24 AM

    Now ya’ll looky here now, understanding is good-but now it’s the trying to understand that’s better

     
    • Sparky

      March 7, 2013 at 6:05 PM

      Huey,
      @ >Now ya’ll looky here now, understanding is good-but now it’s the trying to understand that’s better.

      I think that coming to an understanding of what we WERE trying to understand is even betternatt.

       
  36. Huey Campbell

    March 7, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Yep!, When they get a hold of it, you can see it in their eye and that is the most gratifying thing.
    I use to be a teacher.
    When you had a student that wanted to understand and you went over the concept this way and again that way and you let it sink in a day or two and then the student gets hold of it and you see it in his eye and on his face, Then you know you’ve been understood, you’ve communicated and -THAT- is the reason you teach, the salary an’t nothing, it just pays the bills so you can teach.

     
  37. Dan Glasho

    March 17, 2013 at 5:36 PM

    The perverted KJV omitted the sacred name YHWH (Yahweh) over 6000 times and replaced it with a title , “The Lord”. Yahweh said “I am Yahweh, thy Elohim (god)” in the original Hebrew texts. However, in the KJV version of the Bible perverts it by making him saying “I am the Lord thy god”.
    I feel sorry for all you KJV lovers, but that book has been altered, mistranslated, and down-right perverted!

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 23, 2013 at 6:57 PM

      Dan Glasho
      March 17, 2013 at 5:36 PM

      @ > I feel sorry for all you KJV lovers, but that book has been altered, mistranslated, and down-right perverted!

      What English translation is not corrupt to some degree? Anyway, I’m sure YHWH regards his LAWS more important than just knowing how to pronounce or spell the sacred name correctly.

       
    • kennywally

      April 28, 2013 at 1:21 PM

      Dan, I’m aware as well, but just never had the time to follow up on all of it. Which version do you prefer and feel has the truer text?, besides the Massorah text! and I notice you use YHWH instead of YHVH, any comments on that?!

       
  38. Huey Campbell

    March 23, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    Ya’ll just hold on……………it’s gone all be alright

     
  39. christina garcia

    April 22, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    Has anyone ever read of the phrase Nations will parish for lack of knowledge in the bible?

     
    • Adask

      April 22, 2013 at 4:46 PM

      As I recall, I have seen a phrase “my people perish for lack of knowledge”. I’ve come to believe that the missing “knowledge” is seen in multiple verses where God repeatedly declared “then, they will know that I am God.” If my belief is correct, the statement “my people perish for lack of knowledge” might be read “my people perish for lack of knowledge [that I am God].”

       
      • kennywally

        April 28, 2013 at 12:16 PM

        ADASK, ya, from Hosea, but not only not knowing who the creator is, Yah, but the other things hidden from us, possibly in plain sight, that enslaves us and the reason for you asking so many questions, so we can get the answers we need to free ourselves of this bondage we are in.

         
      • Adask

        April 28, 2013 at 8:57 PM

        Airborne! You’ve got it. I’m not asking questions to convince anyone to adopt my beliefs. But I am asking questions to help others to see what I regard as truth–or at least the truth of the questions. I lot of people feel threatened by these questions, but I suspect their fears may be primarily based on the weakness of their own faith. They may profess to have faith without having studied faith. If I ask questions about their faith they often feel threatened and insecure.

        Personally, I’m not too interested in faith because I don’t believe in God. Instead, I KNOW that He exists. I’ve had two incidents in my life when I’ve seen the Hand of God, and I can tell you that I don’t need to see that Hand again. I got the message. God is real. Not some mythical character like Zeus that we can read about in mythology, but a real being who is here, now. Most people have faith. I don’t. I have knowledge. Direct, personal knowledge. It changes you.

        For example, I can’t imagine anyone threatening my “faith” with questions, answers, statements, theories, whatever. I KNOW that our Father YHWH ha Elohiym exists. That knowledge give me an enormous advantage in debates like this one. Given that knowledge, I am able to recognize at least some of the flaws in my own faith and view them with amusement.

        In the end, I’m not interested in pursing–or, worse, defending–a man-made faith. I am only interested in pursuing God’s truth and I don’t care if I figure it out for myself, someone else helps or makes me see that truth, of if God, Himself, leads me to that truth.

        This is not to say that I’ve found much (or even any) truth. But no one can dispute that I’ve searched for truth with some diligence.

        As you appear to have understood, my questions are not intended to assault anyone else’s faith, nor are they intended to promote my own “faith”. They are simply intended to help or even make people recognize and consider some “anomalies” that might cause them, too, to see some truth.

         

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