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An “Infant” is a “Decedent”?

25 Oct

Newborn child, seconds after birth. The umbili...

“Infant”, seconds after birth. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

I received the following info by email from Colleen.  I haven’t verified any of the info, but if the info is valid, it could be (as Colleen says) BIG.

“Well, someone FINALLY did it. They found in the IRS manual the “proof” of when we “claimed” life. I write this in past tense sense when we got a social security number (a lot of us when we applied for a drivers license) is when we were NOT CONSIDERED decedents. Here’s the wordage

“IRS manual 21.7.13.3.2.2 – An infant is the decedent of an estate or grantor, owner or trustor of a trust, guardianship, receivership or custodianship that has yet to receive an SSN.”

I’m not at all sure that the previous interpretation of the text alleged to be in the IRS manual is correct.  It may be that the section of the IRM is saying that an “infant” is legally defined to be either:

1) the decedent of an estate (meaning the infant died at or before birth); or,

2) the grantor (etc) of a trust (etc.) that has not yet received a SSN (but this grantor is born alive).

I wonder if the entity that “is yet to receive a SSN” is the living infant or the trust (etc.) that the living infant/grantor is presumed to have created.

What happens if the infant and/or newly created “trust” doesn’t get a SSN?

What rationale presumes that a living infant is even capable of granting/creating a trust?  If the existence of this “infant’s trust” proves to be debilitating when the infant grows to be an adult, can the trust’s existence be challenged by the adult by claiming that he/she was absolutely incapable of the intention required to granting/creating a trust as an infant–and therefore the presumptive “trust” is invalid?

There are a bunch of questions and possibilities that flow from the IRS Manual text.  I’m in the process of moving my domicile to another State.  I don’t have time to chase those questions at this time.  I hope that some of you will start to research this quoted section of the IRS Manual to, first, verify that the text is accurate, and then, to look at the context of that section to try to discover whatever ti really means.

But if their use of “decedent” does not apply to an infant that died at birth, but instead applies to a living child, this may offer some insight into the birth certificate, the all-upper case name, etc.

Tombstone of Dr. Andrew McKenzie

Tombstone of Dr. Andrew McKenzie (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

I.e., so far as I know the names on tombstones are always in all-upper-case letters.  It may be that such all-upper-case names mark the remains of the “decedent” of an estate.  If so, it might follow that “ALFRED N ADASK” is the name of the decedent of the estate named “Alfred Adask”.

Am I, Alfred, an “estate”? Or is the “estate” what remains after I pass on?  In either case, the IRS Manual’s text may help to explain why some people argue that you must write up a “will” to help keep the gov-co (“this state”) off your back?

For example, what if I (the living man “Alfred”) drafted a will that declared how I wanted my remains (the “decedent” named “ALFRED N ADASK”?) to be handled?  Clearly, I could write a will to say that if I died, I’d want my remains buried next to my grandmother, or cremated, or perhaps even shot into orbit around the world.

But.  If it were presumed by “this state” that “ALFRED N ADASK” is already a “decedent,” then it might follow that I could draft a will now to declare how I wanted “my” decedent (“ADASK”) to be treated now–even before I have actually passed on.

What if, the next time I was stopped for a traffic violation and asked for my ID, I presented a properly drafted, verified and recorded “Last Will and Testament” that explained how I wanted “ALFRED N ADASK” to be treated?

In any case, I hope some of you will investigate “IRS manual 21.7.13.3.2.2” and comment below.

 
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464 responses to “An “Infant” is a “Decedent”?

  1. Eileen

    October 25, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    I do not know why so many people have trouble reading things in context. This started, as far as I can tell, with someone named Boris. I don’t know if he came up with it himself, or got it from someone else, but for whateever reason, it was taken out of context. Read the whole section:

    “There will be rare occasions where the grantor, owner or trustor of a domestic trust/estate entity type will not have an SSN or ITIN. In these cases, secure the SSN/ITIN or EIN of the party responsible for physically filing the Form 1041 and input it onto CC ESIGN as the cross reference TIN. Following are some instances of when this may occur.”

    Now read the following as some of the “rare occasions where there will not be an SSN or ITIN:”

    “Grantor, owner or trustor may indicate Amish or Mennonite as the reason for not supplying an SSN or ITIN.

    “An infant is the decedent of an estate or grantor, owner or trustor of a trust, guardianship, receivership or custodianship that has yet to receive an SSN.

    “Estate is being established for a woman who used her husband’s SSN with an alpha character immediately after the last digit of his SSN.”

    It does not say an infant is a decedent; the implication is that “when” an infant is a decedent OR the grantor . . . that has yet to receive an SSN — then that estate or trust, etc., will not have an SSN or ITIN, in which case use the SSN/ITIN or EIN of the party responsible for filing the 1041.

    Makes sense, does it not? It is talking about the filing of the 1041 form for trusts, and they don’t allow us to file the 1041 for the all capital name. IRS does not treat the all capital name as a trust.

    Another example of patriot mythology — but that’s what the government gets for not teaching people how to read.

     
    • Don

      October 25, 2012 at 12:55 PM

      Hi Eileen
      Re: An infant is the decedent of an estate or grantor, owner or trustor of a trust, guardianship, receivership or custodianship that “has yet” to “receive” an SSN.

      How is ANYone who is “deceased” “yet” to “receive” an SSN.”?? A deceased that has yet to receive an SSN seems to be saying the SSN is on the way, it just has not been “received yet,” And, why would a SSN be sent to someone who is deceased?

      I admit/confess that the “And yet he stayed” Article(<?) has put me in a state where I don't know for sure IF I'm coming OR going.

       
      • Eileen

        October 25, 2012 at 1:21 PM

        Don,

        As we know, parents are required to apply for a SSN for an infant before leaving the hospital, but it was not always that way. I was 17 before I applied for one, not knowing any better. The government anticipates that everyone will eventually apply for the SSN. So had I died as an infant, even though it had not been applied for, it would still be considered “not received yet.”

        There are two other conditions which this new “infant is a decedant theory” ignores. Persons who are Amish or Mennonites, and the estate of a woman who has used her husband’s SSN with a letter after it. If this section was saying that all infants are decedents, then why mention these other two condtions?

        MOST IMPORTANTLY: This section of the IRS Manual is NOT a definitions section. IRS defines everything in definition sections.

         
    • John

      October 25, 2012 at 1:32 PM

      No one said it did mean the infant is a decedent. The point that was trying to be made from this is that if a SSN is issued, and where they are associating that number to a NAME, then there CAN NOT be a decedent of any ESTATE! It rebuts the very presumption that the living beneficiary is PRESUMED dead or lost at sea!

      Look up the IRS definitions of all tax reporting forms such as the W4, W2, all 1099’s, 1098, etc. They are ALL defined as a class 5 tax which a class 5 tax is defined as ESTATE AND GIFT TAX!

      HOW is there an ESTATE TAX if the one filling out a W4 is ALIVE? WHY are employers using a W2 to report wages as ESTATE TAX or GIFT TAX when there is NO DECEDENT where there can be NO ESTATE?

      Did you INTEND your wages to be a GIFT? Are you acting as a Trustee or Executor of an ESTATE for the SSN being used to report wages?

      The registration of the birth certificate created a TRUST! Upon a PRESUMPTION of death/lost at sea, that TRUST would become part of an ESTATE! Hence, ESTATE TAX Forms would be used.

      When you begin to tie everything together everything is associated with ESTATES which would mean there is a PRESUMPTION of death or being lost at sea.

       
      • Don

        October 25, 2012 at 6:41 PM

        lost at sea.
        Lost on the sea of heartbreak,headaches & confusion,

         
      • James Barnes

        October 28, 2012 at 2:56 PM

        Eileen, Your as we know statement (everyone knows that) implies that you need to always read the meanings or implications behind the words, especially in law. I require a ham sandwich from you. Does that arbitrarily obligate you, Eileen to give me anything? Also the old, you “must” fill out this birth certificate seen on these documents has implications in law. Must is legally synonymous (look it up yourself) with may in the same way required has two senses. Generally while the average man made male and female takes these as a command, they are not in law. Only shall and obligated in their words denote obligatory actions. You must breathe to live is an directive and is obligatory. You must come to my home through the front door is imperative and doesn’t imply that you are obligated to come to my home, but if you do you are obligated to come through the front door. (my house my rules) They are very sneaky this way, playing games with semantics and mass amounts of sophistry because generally wo/men have not studied law and have no idea their ignorance is being used against them. I have literally used their own sophistry against them very effectively, even on an “appearance”, look it up in blacks law it denotes a voluntary action whereupon one “submits himself” to the jurisdiction of the courts. The men acting in these fictional courts are simply 3rd party arbitrators to a presumed valid dispute and without inherent jurisdiction of a malum in se crime have no arbitrary (imperial) authority over anyone. I personally used this on a warrant for failure to appear,(warrant really no probable cause and no oath or affirmation of any “cause of action” give me a break) while I spent 42 hours in a cage. I was released right after (signing the return on recognizance under protest and duress) never seeing a so called judge because I stated very clearly the entire matter was a fraud and I had no obligation and in fact a duty not to participate in any fraud (this was on a 14,000 dollar child support issue so don’t think this was just over a traffic ticket) I’m currently helping 2 people in the courts personally and no I’m not a liaryer but I’m doing it because every time I encounter and deal with these charlatans I learn more, yes it’s dangerous but that’s cool you can’t learn to beat satanic forces when you hide in a hole and never go forth to battle. Oh and on any affidavit I define clearly my language and the words we are using so there is no mistaking or “interpreting” for the so called honorable judge to make. Be clear simple and you can run circles around most lawyers I’ve encountered with simple reason, logic, truth and facts. God Bless and guide you.

         
      • Michael

        November 28, 2012 at 3:07 PM

        I believe that you are right, have you already spoken to the IRS and changed your status? I am looking into calling them up and making the declaration so I can issue bonds, notes, etc. You explain it well. Please email anything you may have been successful with on this issue please

         
    • Boris

      October 26, 2012 at 2:14 PM

      Why do people consistently assume the birth registration is about them? Maybe the self-centeredness of the ego shows its true colors when faced with this simple fact:

      The registration of birth is NOT about the “baby”, it is about the “INFANT”.

      The “INFANT” is not the “living man” ….the mom took the “baby” home from the “hospital” but “abandoned” the “INFANT” … look at the hospital birth record … the record does not say “baby’s footprints” it states “INFANT FOOTPRINTS” … the registration of birth never registers a “baby” it registers a “vessel” (INFANT) to receive the “spirit of life” much like a Man or Woman is nothing without “the spirit of life” or “God” … the living man “animates” the “vessel” or “infant” while in that world without becoming part of that world. Read JOB 32:21-22.

      When someone comes to one with a “claim”, they are actually looking for the INFANT in the last known location which is One because One is using the “property” of the “INFANT” so One must know where the INFANT is which is just a “footprint symbol” denoting its existence, which is found in the hospital records or provided as infant is now age of majority.

      But if One “withholds” that information, under International Maritime Law, that “INFANT” will be “presumed dead” (inactive) and One now becomes “executor de son tort” over the “decedent infant estate” for the concealment which is a “fraud” and since one cannot profit from one’s own fraud, One no longer has access to the “infant decedent’s estate” and One is liable for the tax on the valuation of the transfer for “decedent infant” is going to be considered “owner” of the trust where the “contractual considerations are exchanged” in the form of interests and the tax is on the “valuation of the exchange” or “transfer of taxable estate” from one “decedent” to another.

      And as “owner” of the trust, the trust becomes “property” of the “decedent’s estate” and the “executor” (One) is going to be held liable under 26 USC 2002 for the tax imposed under 26 USC 2001(a).

      Now, if One provided the location of the INFANT, then the “decedent without the SSN” or “corporation” would then be “owner” of the trust and CEO would then be liable under 26 USC 2002 for the tax which is “paid” out of the “decedent’s estate” or “corporate treasury” in service of the usufruct under Law of Nations, International Law, and Treaty.

      And this presumption of death of the infant can be easily rebutted by pointing the one bringing the claim to the State File Number containing the original certificate of live birth, or to the Hospital Record, or provide a “footprint” which is “symbolic” of the infant’s “existence” as “the spirit” must enter the “infant” to “animate” it in the “paper world” or “give it life” and the footprint is the evidence of the “infant’s existence” but no one can ever see the “infant” for it is only a “spirit”; the footprint is a “symbol” the “infant” exists.

      And once “INFANT” presence is known, INFANT automatically becomes “securities entitlement holder” as “appropriate person” and can now issue orders and commands to the “securities intermediary” for service of the “securities account” or SSN.

      The “INFANT” or NAME exists to allow Man to exercise his dominion while all fruits flow to the society he helps build, only up until now, this was “reserved” for “those in the know” … now this information and knowledge belongs to all who wish to accept the simple truth:

      Man is “naked owner” of his “image” and “usufruct” with respect to the fruits of that image for man will always reap what he sows. Collectively as well as individually. A world unto them-self and a light within the “holographic image” projected of the whole. So, if man projects the “aura” or “light” of a “warlike sentient race”, what do you think will be attracted to Man?

      but if people wish to reject this part of the Creator’s creation, then so be it.

      That is their choice; free will and all.

      The “INFANT” is not the “living man” ….the mom took the “baby” home from the “hospital” but “abandoned” the “INFANT” … look at the hospital birth record … the record does not say “baby’s footprints” it states “INFANT FOOTPRINTS” … the registration of birth never registers a “baby” it registers a “vessel” (INFANT) to receive the “spirit of life” much like a Man or Woman is nothing without “the spirit of life” or “God” … the living man “animates” the “vessel” or “infant” while in that world without becoming part of that world. Read JOB 32:21-22.

      When someone comes to one with a “claim”, they are actually looking for the INFANT in the last known location which is One because One is using the “property” of the “INFANT” so One must know where the INFANT is which is just a “footprint symbol” denoting its existence, which is found in the hospital records or provided as infant is now age of majority.

      But if One “withholds” that information, under International Maritime Law, that “INFANT” will be “presumed dead” (inactive) and One now becomes “executor de son tort” over the “decedent infant estate” for the concealment which is a “fraud” and since one cannot profit from one’s own fraud, One no longer has access to the “infant decedent’s estate” and One is liable for the tax on the valuation of the transfer for “decedent infant” is going to be considered “owner” of the trust where the “contractual considerations are exchanged” in the form of interests and the tax is on the “valuation of the exchange” or “transfer of taxable estate” from one “decedent” to another.

      And as “owner” of the trust, the trust becomes “property” of the “decedent’s estate” and the “executor” (One) is going to be held liable under 26 USC 2002 for the tax imposed under 26 USC 2001(a).

      Now, if One provided the location of the INFANT, then the “decedent without the SSN” or “corporation” would then be “owner” of the trust and CEO would then be liable under 26 USC 2002 for the tax which is “paid” out of the “decedent’s estate” or “corporate treasury” in service of the usufruct under Law of Nations, International Law, and Treaty.

      And this presumption of death of the infant can be easily rebutted by pointing the one bringing the claim to the State File Number containing the original certificate of live birth, or to the Hospital Record, or provide a “footprint” which is “symbolic” of the infant’s “existence” as “the spirit” must enter the “infant” to “animate” it in the “paper world” or “give it life” and the footprint is the evidence of the “infant’s existence” but no one can ever see the “infant” for it is only a “spirit”; the footprint is a “symbol” the “infant” exists.

      And once “INFANT” presence is known, INFANT automatically becomes “securities entitlement holder” as “appropriate person” and can now issue orders and commands to the “securities intermediary” for service of the “securities account” or SSN.

      The “INFANT” or NAME exists to allow Man to exercise his dominion while all fruits flow to the society he helps build, only up until now, this was “reserved” for “those in the know” … now this information and knowledge belongs to all who wish to accept the simple truth:

      Man is “naked owner” of his “image” and “usufruct” with respect to the fruits of that image for man will always reap what he sows. Collectively as well as individually. A world unto them-self and a light within the “holographic image” projected of the whole. So, if man projects the “aura” or “light” of a “warlike sentient race”, what do you think will be attracted to Man?

      but if people wish to reject this part of the Creator’s creation, then so be it.

      That is their choice; free will and all.

       
      • Jim

        March 1, 2013 at 1:21 PM

        I listened to the talkshoe recording and was able to get quite a bit from it, but there are still questions I have about what you did Boris.

        You said that you had filed with the AG and the district court/admiralty/maritime court (presumably). You also said thet the documents would be forthcoming (evidntially) to the masses . How did your case turn out or hasn’t it come up in court yet. If it has when would you be able to let everyone know where they could find them? Are you still willing to share them with folks?? I can understand some reticence to just giving them away.

        Many of us (I’m sure) understand what you are doing and the concepts you elaborating on but I for one have difficulty putting them down on paper, let alone try to create a document suitable (and coherent enough) for court. Yes I know about the slack Pro Se’s are to be given.

        I have been going about this same thing, but using the Constitution as my basis in law, but missed the Leiber Code and the Hague aspect of it. I’ve always heard ‘what Congress creates, Congress controls’. If that’s correct then they created the INFANT and control it, not me and therefore have no power over me. This is provable with ruling case law ad infinitum. However I’ve not had much luck with it. Either I’ve messed it up or they are crooked as a dogs hind leg (the latter being the case I believe).

        Can anyone direct me to downloadable copies of the Hague, Leiber code, Law of Nations and Magne Carts?? It would be appreciated as I don’t have internet capability at home and have to visit a friend to get on to get stuff I use in my court documents.

        I’m sure that all here would like to know how your case turned out, please if nothing else keep us posted about any sucesses and even losses that you have and where you plan to go from there.

        Best always Boris

        Jim

         
    • frj

      October 27, 2012 at 2:59 AM

      Virtually all government offices assume you are ‘ not alive.’ If you are crooks like they are, this is the simplest way to make assumptions and choices for you, knowing few will ever figure out this particular deception, actually a stupid lie that gives them more power. Several ‘ Sovereigns ‘ have successfully filed a court case simply declaring that they are a living, flesh and blood mortal man and had the court dismiss charges or fines. This may also be a good preemptive, simple strategy to employ BEFORE you have trouble, however ludicrous and stupid this prospective is. This type of BS is standard ‘ guvment ‘ thinking, and is only ‘ reasonable ‘ when the realization arrives that all of their activities are based on MONEY, PERIOD. Humans are easily replaced at no cost or effort by them, successfully so at least 7 billion times at present. THE ONLY NEW VALUE HUMANS CAN CREATE IS LABOR. In it’s essence, that is all they are trying to steal, all the rest of everything from gold to oil is already here. LABOR IS WHAT THEY ARE AFTER. That is why the first maxim of commerce is ” A workman is worthy of his hire.” They connive and entice you to use labor proceeds to buy ‘ things,’ steal them, and find that kind of stealing is the easiest way to get to your labor. Seem off base ? Find someone with a paid for house, look on the title, you/they will be listed as a ‘tenant ‘ in the first three lines. YOU don’t really, actually own it. This is why ‘ eminent domain ‘ works for them, as in ‘ your eminence.’ A generally Catholic term of some person in the church heirarchy. The land I used to live on was listed in the abstract as OWNED BY THE ARCHBISHOP OF SANTA FE. Look up ‘ tenant ‘ in definitions of Heraldry, it is one who bears the pennant, coat of arms or beauseant ( flag ) of the LANDLORD or other such royal title. You are considered as little more than a moving flagpole.

       
      • Don

        October 30, 2012 at 2:18 AM

        @‘ guvment
        I think you mispelled guvment. It is,guhmunt. Anyway, great message. It was eye opening. Thank you.

         
    • Don

      October 28, 2012 at 12:44 PM

      Eileen,
      I am convinced a “Philadelphia Lawyer or Lawyers” are the creators & I believe what they create only means what THEY say it means. It is beyond my understanding that the I.R.S. says for example, so & so taxpayer owes the I.R.S. X amount of “Dollars” when Federal Reserve Notes ARE NOT “Dollars.” This NOTE is….. . Ain’t that what it says? This Note ?? A Note ain’t a Dollar.

      I asked a NM Supreme Court Clerk in the presence of two other witness if she would accept the filing fee in federal reserve notes. She said No, it either had to be 150 dollars or in the alternative I could submit an “in forma pauperis application.

       
    • Don

      October 30, 2012 at 3:19 PM

      “All this legislative machinery of martial law, military coercion, and political disfranchisement is avowedly for that purpose and none other.”
      “… here is a bill of attainder against 9,000,000 (million) people at once. It disfranchises them by hundreds of thousands and degrades them all…” President Andrew Johnson, March 23,1867
      Is there any wonder why President Andrew Johnson was REALLY impeached ??

       
  2. John

    October 25, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    Tune into Angela’s talkshoe tonight 10/25/2012. He will be on to clear up a lot of confusion over this.

    http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=39904&cmd=tc

     
    • Don

      October 27, 2012 at 4:04 AM

      Cut & paste- > If “StateZilla agents can “create a driver license for “you”(?)

      Cut & paste answer from John->They create nothing for YOU!

      Hey John, get out your magnifying glass & look closely at —- “you”(?)

      After I try to get a point across ONCE I am not going to emphasize it repeatedly. If for no other reason, it is to save ink & printing costs.

       
  3. pop de adam

    October 25, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    -Eileen

    I think you maybe full of it, not in regards to your first post, but in regards to your second. You wrote: “parents are required to apply for a SSN”, this is not true and a google search will supply many sources to satisfy any question of it. To clarify, parents simply instruct the hospital not to do any of it, and reject any of the paperwork presented. If the hospital proceeds anyway, there really are no binding signatures to anyone but the hospital and itself. If someone is really principled or “out there”, there is also homebirth. To put it bluntly and to some rudely, reject these forms to the point of tossing them in the trash if they persist. Can they really make you sign them?

     
    • Don

      October 25, 2012 at 10:33 PM

      maybe full of it,??

      Maybe not,either. If “StateZilla agents can “create a driver license for “you”(?) Which WAS done in my personal case, FEDZILLA can create a SSN for you & me too. I don’t know if we will ever “receive it” but who cares? I do have a birth certificate in my possession & it does say DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE on it. That’s all they need anyway. The SSN pinpoints who the chattel name on it applies to.

       
      • John

        October 25, 2012 at 10:45 PM

        They create nothing for YOU! They create for THEIR registered securities Name THEY created by THEIR birth record! Are YOU a name? It isn’t even the same name you were given. You are only given a first-middle name. You are not given a LAST name. That LAST name you may THINK is yours is not yours. It is merely the name of a family you are from. That family name is a complete separate and distinct name from the given name. They do not go together as a full name because that family name is not a part of the given name. When you add it with a given name it creates an entirely different name. That is what the STATE created. So it may APPEAR to look similar it is not the same.

        First, Middle Last or First Last = STATE created fictitious name.

        First middle or first = given name.

        Man is only called by a name and there is no such thing as a Last Name that man is called by. Man is only called by a first Name and middle Name “IF” a middle Name was given to him. Otherwise he is only called by a first Name.

        Only fictitious entities have a Last Name.

        It is whether the Name is in upper/lower case or not. It is whether the Name has a Last Name or not that determines whether the Name is Fiction or not.

        They even cover this in their own fictional laws stating the spelling does not matter and where if the name merely looks or sounds the same then it is considered to be the same name.

        CJS 65 Section 4 Idem Sonans:
        With respect to names, the phrase “idem sonans” means of the same sound. Under the doctrine of idem sonans absolute accuracy in spelling names is not required in legal documents or proceedings; a mistake in the spelling of a name is immaterial if both modes of spelling have the same sound and appearance. Thus, if a name, as spelled in a legal document, though different from its correct spelling, conveys to the ear, when pronounced according to the commonly accepted method, a sound practically identical to the correct name as commonly pronounced, then the name thus given is sufficient identification of the individual referred to, and no advantage can be taken of the clerical error, and absolute accuracy in spelling names is not required in civil or criminal proceedings where the names sound the same such that an attentive ear finds difficulty in distinguishing them when pronounced. Great latitude is allowed in the pronunciation and spelling of proper names, since proper names are often spelled differently, although pronounced the same. The doctrine of idem sonans is normally utilized only with regard to similar personal names.

        If names sound alike, or if common usage has made their pronunciation identical, they are regarded as the same and a variance of their spelling is immaterial, unless it is such as misleads a person to his prejudice, or the misspelling transforms the name into a wholly distinct appellation.

        “The law presumes every person to have a given name unless the contrary is shown.”. CJS Section 8 Book 65 Names.

        a mistake in the spelling of a name is immaterial if both modes of spelling have the same sound and appearance.
        CJS Book 65 Part III. Assumed or Fictitious Name, Section 14 Trust and trustees. Trust cannot adopt a name, but trustees may adopt name or names for transacting business, executing contracts, or suing and being sued.

        Right there is their law given them their loophole to get around any spelling used. So when those in the patriot community use John-Doe: Smith or John-Doe: Family/Clan/House of Smith, they can see the NAME by seeing it as looking the same or sounding the same. This is why the Surname/Family Name should NEVER be used in any form when using the proper Name man is called by, which is only the given name which is only the first and middle name.

        A baby born of the Smith family is given a Name John-Henry. The Name Smith is the Surname which is only the Name of the family one is born of. The family Name is completely separate and distinct from the Given Name where the family Name automatically bestows upon you at birth. It is not part of the given Name.

        The proper Name for the man here is: John-Henry

        The following Names all represent the fiction name on the birth certificate:

        John Henry Smith
        JOHN HENRY SMITH
        John H Smith
        JOHN H SMITH
        John Smith
        JOHN SMITH
        J H Smith
        J H SMITH
        J Smith
        J SMITH

        Those are ALL the fiction Name which all include a LAST Name.

         
      • Doug

        October 26, 2012 at 7:42 AM

        To Don: Should State-zilla create a document or license etc., that requires a signature under penalty of perjury of their own volition and without your actual signature – they are guilty of forgery and a number of other felonies – like falsifying govt docs etc.

         
      • pop de adam

        October 26, 2012 at 10:54 AM

        Hi Don-

        I was thinking about this for some hours after I posted last:

        If I come to someones picnic table and voluntarily sit down does this obligate me to refrain from voluntarily standing up and walking away? If I helped myself to their sandwiches or BBQ, I still would only be responsible for the food I took advantage of, and not be reduced to chattel of theirs. If they wish to make a claim, it would only be for that which I helped myself to, the sandwiches or BBQ.

        The SSN and associated account are the governments property we can stop utilizing them. You only have interest in them to the governments satisfaction that you are loyal to them and share in their looters mentality. If you were to attempt to have your name put on the record to the earliest time in your life we often arrive at the memory of our mothers explaining our name to us, this fits with the definition of hearsay. If we put our own mothers on the stand could they prove our names are us? This frustration is tracible mostly to our continued use of the name. Most peoples ego or id(I would have to look this up) block the realization that even in our own mind we really have no identity, Dave, Tom, Casper, Stephen these are conditioned into and by us.

         
    • Darrow

      October 27, 2012 at 9:44 PM

      No, they cannot. They can become belligerent and angry and yell at you but they cannot. I have 2 UN-socialed children. They actually came and said they were on the phone with the SS directer and they said they told them to tells US to sign ? Retards…We were like ohh O.K., thank you so much and what name would your directer like to place on the document because We haven’t named Out creation yet … WoW rolling eyes bugging out speaking in false tongue type of behaviors is all you get from them. I recorded both their bornings at the County level with witnesses and Notary.

       
    • Don

      October 28, 2012 at 9:23 AM

      Apology to pop de adam

      I’m sure you will agree if you receive a message & you don’t know for sure what is being said, it certainly is not going to make you angry. After getting some rest, I re-read(red) your message & the part that made me angry BEFORE, did not upset me after seeing it again. Why? because in all honesty & because of my apparently shallow comphrensive ability, I “understood” your message to mean something that I did not know for sure what it meant. This is my problem,not yours.So, I owe you an apology & I can only say,my mistake, & I apologize.

      Now, what follows is another example of something you said & it seems to me you are saying, we really have no name.The following sentence is from you.

      “…we really have no identity, Dave, Tom, Casper, Stephen these are conditioned into and by us.”

       
  4. todreigus

    October 25, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    All this is above my pay scale, so I’m not going to attempt to go there. But in reference to our SSN & any Law’s &/or legal obligations VIA having one assigned to you; ie, they can’t hold a person to an infant marriage contract when they turn 18/21, nor Monastery, or sports contract or whatever. A little over a month ago, I’d asked (very similar to) the following question, & was kind of blown off like it was a silly question? In any other legal aspect in life, a minor can only be held to the decisions made by the Parent or legal Guardian on their behalf, until they turn 18/21. So when receiving a SSN as a Minor, how can we be legally liable to &/or avoid anything resulting from it as an adult?

    “What rationale presumes that a living infant is even capable of granting/creating a trust? If the existence of this “infant’s trust” proves to be debilitating when the infant grows to be an adult, can the trust’s existence be challenged by the adult by claiming that he/she was absolutely incapable of the intention required to granting/creating a trust as an infant–and therefore the presumptive “trust” is invalid?”

     
    • Eileen

      October 25, 2012 at 5:33 PM

      When you turn 18/21 you can repudiate any contract made by your parents in your behalf, but if you remain silent, you have accepted it.

       
      • Don

        October 25, 2012 at 10:45 PM

        Eileen,
        Thank you for taking time to respond to me.

        You say: When you turn 18/21 you can repudiate any contract made by your parents in your behalf, but if you remain silent, you have accepted it.

        what if some of us don’t see the light until we are 41,or older? If we were dealing with a system that had ANY integrity, I believe we could succeed in overcoming FRAUD but since the “system thrives on fraud, well, I think you know where I’m going.

         
      • Doug

        October 26, 2012 at 7:44 AM

        Usually, you are allowed a specified time to reject a claim or file an action AFTER YOU DISCOVER the activity or claim.

         
      • James Barnes

        October 28, 2012 at 3:07 PM

        Yup that’s true Eileen although if you didn’t receive full and complete disclosure on the so called contract, well that’s called fraud and ALL FRAUD is easily voidable, as it vitiates everything. You only have to say so, also fraud is never be time barred either and in this case would be very easy to prove. Also another cool little point which has has judges and lawyers seething is that, on the SSN form you signed under penalty of perjury that you are a US citizen, but which one of the 3 US’s did you claim to be a citizen of as in Law there are 3 different and distinct entities known as the US Google Three United States read and learn. I know the SSN form didn’t define which one so if it means anything other than the only one the common men and women know of The Republic under the Constitution FRAUD no obligation and in fact remedy is due for the theft of your money under this fraud! It’s not hard when you start critically thinking again and remove your government schooled indoctrination from your mind and (the log from your eye so you have the eyes to see and the ears to hear. Bless all of you seeking the truth in love.

         
    • Don

      October 27, 2012 at 5:49 PM

      todreigus

      Re:“What rationale presumes that a living infant is even capable of granting/creating a trust?

      I hope Colleen or Palani answers this question. I would like to know too !!

       
      • palani

        October 27, 2012 at 8:13 PM

        Don
        I recall hearing once of a minor with a training license being hauled into court. The minor appeared without the guardian or parent. There was nothing the court could do. The minor was incapable of engaging in a contract so was sent home with a message for the parent “please show up at this scheduled court hearing”. Why would one choose to injure their child in this manner? There was no summons for the adult and no reason to show up just so that THEY could engage the court in the requisite contract.

        This notion that you must contract with a court comes a little into focus when you consider the details of the previous paragraph. IT IS ALL ABOUT CONTRACT.

         
    • Don

      October 28, 2012 at 12:56 PM

      todreigus
      October 25, 2012 at 3:08 PM
      All this is above my pay scale,
      Most of “this” is above my brain capacity to comprehend. Sem will respond to this.

       
    • Josh

      February 16, 2013 at 4:36 PM

      @ todreigus

      How to get rid of SSN? —

      I strongly suspect that accepting/having an SSN is the sufficient condition (or a sufficient condition) subjecting a man or woman to pursuit by IRS and other agencies. (I recently saw a law somewhere (in tax code?) saying that the term “government employee” includes anyone accepting government insurance or the like.) —

      Do you remember how people whose home have been threatened by foreclosure by the banks have been able to stop that action by demanding to see the wet-ink original paperwork underlying the banks’ power over their homes? And that the banks didn’t have it, or didn’t save it, and couldn’t produce it? And the homeowner was safe? —

      So my recent wondering is whether you can write to the SS administration and demand in similar fashion: assert that you do not recall applying for a SS account and request the production of the original application with your original signature. Without that, they would not have a foundation for counting you as a legitimate account holder, and therefore, the IRS and other entities would lose the pretense of their jurisdiction over you. —

      Demand the paper proof that you ever applied for an SSN. If they can’t or won’t provide it in a timely fashion, you have grounds to assume and assert to anyone and everyone that you legally HAVE no SSN and are not a DC/US citizen, etc., etc. —

      If anyone tries this, will you (anonymously) report how things go? —

       
  5. Randy

    October 25, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    Here’s the full text:

    21.7.13.3.2.2 (02-12-2010)
    Taxpayer Identification Number (Form SS-4, Line 7b or Line 9a)

    Use the information in the table below to determine the requirements for Taxpayer Identification Number ( Form SS-4, Lines 7b or 9a) for domestic entities.

    Caution:

    Foreign individuals are not required to have an ITIN in order to receive an EIN. See IRM 21.7.13.3.2.7 for additional information.

    Entity Type Requirement
    Corporation

    Partnership

    UBO/UBT/PTO/Business Trust, or

    LLC

    The SSN/ITIN or EIN of the principal officer, general partner, member or owner (also known as responsible party).
    Sole Proprietor The SSN/ITIN of the owner
    Estate The SSN/ITIN of the decedent
    Trust The SSN/ITIN or EIN of the grantor, owner, or trustor (also known as responsible party).
    There will be rare occasions where the grantor, owner or trustor of a domestic trust/estate entity type will not have an SSN or ITIN. In these cases, secure the SSN/ITIN or EIN of the party responsible for physically filing the Form 1041 and input it onto CC ESIGN as the cross reference TIN. Following are some instances of when this may occur.

    Grantor, owner or trustor may indicate Amish or Mennonite as the reason for not supplying an SSN or ITIN.

    An infant is the decedent of an estate or grantor, owner or trustor of a trust, guardianship, receivership or custodianship that has yet to receive an SSN.

    Estate is being established for a woman who used her husband’s SSN with an alpha character immediately after the last digit of his SSN.

     
    • Don

      October 31, 2012 at 11:29 PM

      “Foreign individuals”
      This why the roosters have come home to ROOST TOO !!!

       
  6. palani

    October 25, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    On this topic I must defer to Art II of the Northwest Ordinance in part reading as follows:

    Sec 2. Be it ordained by the authority aforesaid, That the estates, both of resident and nonresident proprietors in the said territory, dying intestate, shall descent to, and be distributed among their children, and the descendants of a deceased child, in equal parts; the descendants of a deceased child or grandchild to take the share of their deceased parent in equal parts among them: And where there shall be no children or descendants, then in equal parts to the next of kin in equal degree; and among collaterals, the children of a deceased brother or sister of the intestate shall have, in equal parts among them, their deceased parents’ share …

    and state unequivocally that nowhere in this organic law of the United States do I find where the IRS has been granted any authority whatsoever with regard to estates. Further, it needs to be pointed out that nowhere is a share of the estate given to any attorney or probate court.

     
    • Don

      October 27, 2012 at 4:12 AM

      Palani,

      What about the surviving spouse? I didn’t see any provisions for him/her Then again,I’m bone tired.

      Where have you been? On vacation? I missed you.

       
      • palani

        October 27, 2012 at 7:50 AM

        Don ….Been lurking.

        You have to read further

        …saving, in all cases, to the widow of the intestate her third part of the real estate for life, and one third part of the personal estate; and this law relative to descents and dower, shall remain in full force until altered by the legislature of the district….

        To my knowledge the legislature of “the district” has never modified the above. The NW Ordinance originally had no application west of the Mississippi. That changed when the Wisconsin Territory created a county “Iowa” east of the Mississippi and on the same day created multiple counties west of the Mississippi in what is now called “Iowa” and applied all laws currently in effect in Iowa county to the newly formed counties west of the Mississippi. The ONLY laws in effect? The U.S. constitution and the NW Ordinance, the Articles of Confederation and the Declaration of Independence.

         
      • Don

        October 27, 2012 at 6:35 PM

        Palani
        Thanks, I only read (red) your post. Nothing else.

         
  7. Anon4fun

    October 25, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    The IRM is not defining “infant” as a decedent or anything else. Rather, it is addressing situations in which an infant is a decedent. So yet another false lead claiming the all-caps name indicates a decedent, corporation, estate, etc., etc. goes down the chute. On the other hand, a plausible explanation is that your all-caps name designates a fiduciary capacity with respect to the private company acting as the federal government. Research discovering the SSN and liability to the IRS to be for government employees only tends to confirm this.

    From the IRM, pasted:

    There will be rare occasions where the grantor, owner or trustor of a domestic trust/estate entity type will not have an SSN or ITIN. In these cases, secure the SSN/ITIN or EIN of the party responsible for physically filing the Form 1041 and input it onto CC ESIGN as the cross reference TIN. Following are some instances of when this may occur.

    * Grantor, owner or trustor may indicate Amish or Mennonite as the reason for not supplying an SSN or ITIN.

    * An infant is the decedent of an estate or grantor, owner or trustor of a trust, guardianship, receivership or custodianship that has yet to receive an SSN.

    * Estate is being established for a woman who used her husband’s SSN with an alpha character immediately after the last digit of his SSN.

     
  8. Colleen

    October 25, 2012 at 4:50 PM

    Wow, it looks like the gov-co DID teach how to read AND think,-Eileen-and who do you work for?

    Oh and believe me, I looked this up in the manual and thought about this before showing this to Al.
    The trickery alone with the use of the word and their definitions of them SHOULD put them
    out of business for the pain and suffering and personally, don’t think it will be long now.
    Here’s some words that were written from Boris of his understanding….

    How can one be an executor of an estate of a decedent when the SSN has been issued?

    Exactly what estate of what decedent is one “administrating”?

    26 USC 2032A
    (a) (1)(A) decedent was a citizen/resident of the United States to time of death

    (a)(1)(B) an “election” made on behalf of the executor
    (d) election : agreement (remember “accommodation party”….this is where you come in)

    (2) The agreement referred to in this paragraph is a written agreement signed by each person in being who has an interest. (could be anything from a court case to a utility bill)

    Now check out 26 USC 674 and Treas. Reg. § 1.674(b)… “the back door”

    26 USC 2001

    (a) imposes tax on the decedents estate for the transfer

    26 USC 2002

    executor of estate liable for the tax

    So there is a claim in a nutshell. If one does not provide “proof of life” (infant still using the estate and trust) then the one before the court/corporation is presumed to be an “executor” of a decedent’s estate and trustee of the “citizen trust”. The “claim” is nothing more than a ruse to get one to be an accommodating party via UCC 3-419 for the agreement under 2032A(d)(2) for one is presumed to be an executor of a decedent’s estate and the 14th amendment citizen. NAME, is just a trust ANYONE can operate under 26 USC 674 and Treas. Reg. § 1.674(b), but you are trustee as the “presumed citizen” and thus liable under 26 USC 1040(b) for the tax imposed under 26 USC 2001(a) via 26 USC 2002 as if one were executor.

    Now this is also the basis for the operation of the “exemption”, so do not go out and try to destroy this, you will not succeed, “they” will not allow it …. Once “proof of life” has been established, NAME now is the “security entitlement holder” and NAME now has whatever credit it needs as the IRS and all these other corporations are now bound to service the securities account (SS#) under UCC 8 as “securities intermediary” and usufructuary.

    So, in reality “they” are actively engaged in infanticide and genocide in violation of international law and agreements under the Law of Nations and Lieber Code (Presidential Admiralty Law) for the purposes of accessing the estates of presumed decedents and while these apparent acts of genocide and infanticide may only be on paper, the results of these shenanigans crosses and carries over into the real world and real people suffer because of it each and every time one of their agents come to the door and identifies one through both name and number because one is the infant, now age of majority.

    …committing all the oldest sins in all the newest ways

    Now ask one of these guys something like:

    Do I have a name? Do I have a SS number? Are you aware of IRS manual 21.7.13.3.2.2? Then why am I being held liable as the executor of a decedent’s estate and as trustee of the resulting trust when it appears the infant has a SS number? Would you like production of the footprints of the infant to verify and validate this interest?

    The insanity has to stop.

    Now, before you guys got out and start running these guys down in the streets, one must also remember, this is also the operation of a peace treaty under Article 2 of the Lieber Code thru Article 43 of the Hague (restoration of public order and safety) of which the 1st essential task is to ensure the inhabitants can live their day to day lives, 2nd essential task is to establish an agreement which maximizes the benefits of both inhabitants and occupying army, and, in keeping with the provision of Article 2 of the Lieber Code that the occupying army remain as a condition of the peace, the 3rd essential task is that government administrates the agreement of which is laid out in Article 31 and 38 of the Lieber Code and Article 55 of the Hague, of which the occupying army is administrator and usufructuary of all public buildings, real estate, agricultural estates, etc… and must administrate them in accordance with the rules of usufruct. The “live birth certificate” is an “indemnity receipt” issued to the “spoliated owner”.

    So, when these guys approach you and identify you by both name and number, whatever “lien right” they think they have has just been invalidated by the very fact the name and number was used to identify you. The infant now has a SS number and is no longer a decedent, thus no lien, trusteeship, or executorship to enforce and it is actually a breach of the International Peace Agreement between the “living” and the “dead”.

    So, there you have it … the presumption of death is the only thing wrong with “the system” but since it all operates on paper and translates into the real world with real ramifications, then that is a big problem. But a problem we can fix literally overnight.

    Just have to accept one has a “NAME” and one has a “NUMBER” but owns neither, then since both NAME and NUMBER have vested within the one, the estate also re-vests within the one as the infant is no longer dead or “missing from beyond the seas”, which automatically “invalidates all maritime liens” as those are just “salvage rights”, and is “of age of majority” and now you operate in pure equity and they are now the usufruct and you are the “naked owner” with disposal rights over all of the estate of the Earth, just like the peace treaty demands.

    Just be a good steward.

    Very plausible!

     
    • Eileen

      October 25, 2012 at 9:13 PM

      “How can one be an executor of an estate of a decedent when the SSN has been issued?”

      That question makes no sense at all. Most decedants (or the trust entity) do have a SSN. I am not arguing about the NAME, or the number, or the fact that we are being treated as the executor/administrator of an estate, but I do not see this theory upheld by the section of the code sited in the IRM. And this section of the code does not define the terms used in it. What about the Amish and the woman using the husband’s SSN? How do these examples uphold the idea that an infant is a decedant–until he receives a SSN? You are stretching the imagination here to make the words fit what we believe is actually going on, and I am not going to make claim to that SSN. It belongs to the estate or trust, or whatever. It is not mine. I am not the “person” who is spoken of here as an infant. Furthermore, I am not an infant. Are you saying that we are all infants until we receive a SSN? How many fantastic ideas can we come up with out of this one statement? It does not compute.

       
      • Colleen

        October 26, 2012 at 10:37 AM

        Great question Eileen! And sometimes ya have to answer a question with a question.

        Why should we answer to any public corp that created these trusts? They SHOULD be
        just handling it FOR us. Instead, they use word trickery with what they say and do to make YOU personally responsible so they won’t have balance their books or make double and steal from us.

        The fact that it is in the manual itself is defining in itself! By using “examples” the Amish and
        the woman who uses her husbands SSN, I believe is to throw you off of the the reasoning of it.
        Here, look at this, but not at this. Really, what are the percentages of Amish people and women
        using their husbands SSN?

        Yes, I’m saying we ARE infants even with SSN. Here’s why. If we respond even once to public
        corps, to mistakingly claim ownership of property? YOU then have to pay for it. Our names and SSN#’s are ours to USE just not claim ownership of. We didn’t know and BOY did they take advantage of it wouldn’t you say?

        And of course there IS a solution to remedy. One of them is called a Libel of review.
        Look it up. Letting them know your NOT a decedent as apposed to being decedent.
        Ya “can’t say your “a live or life” as there are no definitions in the manual for those words
        believe it or not. OH THE TRICKERY!

         
      • Don

        October 27, 2012 at 3:25 PM

        @ It does not compute.

        “I shall have occasion incidentally to evince, how true it is, that States and Governments were made for man; and, at the same time, how true it is, that his creatures and servants have first deceived, next vilified, and, at last oppressed their master and maker. I have already remarked, that in the practice, and even in the Science of politics, there has been frequently a strong current against the natural order of things; and an inconsiderate or an interested disposition to sacrifice the end to the means. This remark deserves a more particular illustration. Even in almost every nation, which has been denominated free, the State has assumed a supercilious preeminence above the people, who have formed it: Hence the haughty notions of State independence, State Sovereignty and State Supremacy. In despotic Governments, the Government has usurped, in a similar manner, both upon the State and the people: Hence all arbitrary doctrines and pretensions concerning the Supreme, absolute, and uncontrollable, power of Government. In each, man is degraded from the prime rank, which he ought to hold in human affairs: In the latter, the State as well as the man is degraded. Of both degradations, striking instances occur in history, in politics, and in common life.” Wilson, J. in Chisholm v. Georgia

         
      • John

        October 27, 2012 at 4:03 PM

        The question needs to be worded better.

        How can one be an executor of an estate of a decedent when the SSN has been issued and is currently being used?

        If the infant issued a SSN is a decedent of an estate then the SSN can no longer be used since the infant that was issued the SSN is no longer alive. Whatever trust or whatever that belonged to the infant would become an estate of that infant upon its death and a new TIN number would have to be issued for that estate since the infant is a decedent where that number can no longer be used.

        The mere fact some IRS agent is claiming one to be that name and having that SSN that was issued to that name would mean the IRS agent knows there can’t be any decedent of any estate. This would mean the IRS is misapplying its own application of their tax laws against that name and SSN. It rebuts their own presumption of there being a decedent.

        Based on their application of their law they are applying by using Estate and Gift tax forms for reporting earnings and presuming one is an executor of that estate they are presuming the infant is a decedent. Since that is the application they are applying then how can they try to claim one as being the name and having that SSN that is still being used when they are presuming the infant is a decedent based their own application of the tax code they are applying?

         
    • Don

      October 25, 2012 at 10:50 PM

      The trickery alone

      There ya go !!! Enuff said. I almost used the word TRICKSTERS in my last post.

       
    • Don

      October 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

      Colleen (Your inspiring message of/on
      October 25, 2012 at 4:50 PM

      WOW !! EXCELLENT & Amen with a resounding N !!!

       
      • Colleen

        October 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM

        Thanks Don! My motto has been “I wish someone HAD told me and sense they didn’t, I’m telling you now”. This topic has become the lastest “passion of mine” for good reason. I hear and read
        what’s been “happenin to us” with little or no ways to fix it.
        There WAS no reason to “suffer” as we have, but we trusted.

        My husband and I started our knowledge of this 3 and a half years ago when our beloved bay home was foreclosed on in 3 months and 3 days WITHOUT our knowledge! I said, how could they do that?
        Then, I started reading-ALOT. We’re lucky we found out that we as a team understanding this together and talking it out, helps us not feel alone or nutty sounding about “getting” it.

        Since that time, we have lost that home (2 foreclosures for that home) and had 3 repossesions or attemps to repossess our cars and an over 2 hundred thousand dollar tax lien for frivilous filings!
        Now yes, we’ve made mistakes, but we are learning from it and know that they are just things as we have each other and knowing that-we CAN and do take risks.
        Now, we HAVE been “hurt”, but we’re not hurting so to speak. We’ve had enough successes to combat the losses.

        So, learning HOW to “collapse” those trusts and find ways to make them DO their JOB or they lose WHAT they personally own, is what we have to do? THEN so be it.

        We have learned SO much and love to help pass it on for ALL of our futures.

         
    • Don

      October 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM

      Colleen
      @Wow, it looks like the gov-co DID teach how to read AND think

      This(Your) statement has to be “mainly” for Anon4fun. Sharp, isn’t he? He is my mentor. I “play” around with him sometimes but I probably should not “appear” to be very serious when I am actually being “fuh C shus.” I keep forgetting that he is not a mindreader. Who can be except YHWH?

       
  9. Peter

    October 25, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Your ALL CAPS name is the decedent-it gets the SSN, it is a fiction, it is dead. It is attached to you
    by adhesion contracts (perhaps the 14th Amendment)
    JOHN H.DOE
    123-45-6789
    CAPITIS DIMINUTIO MAXIMUS…you are dead to rights to the max.

     
    • Colleen

      October 25, 2012 at 8:07 PM

      So, where is the death certificate?

       
      • John

        October 25, 2012 at 9:29 PM

        There is no death certificate because there hasn’t been a DECLARED death, but merely a PRESUMPTION of death. So the ESTATE is held in abeyance and by your using it and making CLAIMS to it, you are PRESUMED the Executor/Trustee liable for it.

        And the ALL CAPS Name is irrelevant. The spelling means nothing. All caps or upper lower case doesn’t matter. It is the LAST NAME that matters. Only FICTIONS have a LAST Name. Man does not.

        Man is not a citizen of any STATE or Government. The NAME (First Middle Last) is the created citizen which is a fictitious TITLE! Commerce is all fiction and to conduct commerce one must have a LAST Name to USE as a game piece to operate within the IMAGINARY World. In your ORIGINATION (the real world) man does not have a LAST Name and there is no such thing as commerce or money or credit or debt.

         
    • Don

      October 25, 2012 at 11:00 PM

      Re:(perhaps the 14th Amendment)

      YES !! that’s why I is what I is. Fedzilla says you is what we say you is. Nuthin mo aine nuthin lessnnat. Unnuhstain whutum sayin? Huh? A Judge, Fred A. Watson always & in writing identified me as, Donald W. Bailey. My “so called middle name” is,Blaine. I asked a court clerk about it & I was told the W stands for “whiteboy.” They do whatever turns their crank. They are Lawless, but whatever they do is “legal.”

       
    • Doug

      October 26, 2012 at 7:50 AM

      CAPITIS DIMINUTIO MAXIMUS…you are dead to rights to the max.

      This “diminished capacity” argument makes the most sense to me with respect to the all CAPS FRAUD.

      Frankly, I reached the end of my patience and tolerance about 25 years ago and opted out. I ain’t going back – don’t use and haven’t used the rejected SSN for 25 years – and – I really don’t give a good s*** what Uncle Sambo thinks about it.

      I cannot in good conscience financially support a terrorist – baby-killing – paedophile club.

       
    • Don

      October 27, 2012 at 6:52 AM

      Re “adhesion contracts”
      They are void on their face ab initio, nunc pro tunc

       
    • colleen

      October 29, 2012 at 9:18 PM

      were we apart of the 14 amendment at birth? Peter would ths mean we’re

      double dead? Or sometimes alive and sometimes dead?-too funny

       
      • John

        October 29, 2012 at 9:46 PM

        NO! If you a “private person” are NOT a party to the constitution, then the 14th amendment cannot apply to you. Why? Because YOU the “private person” are NOT a party to it, period!

        And there are NO ADHESION contracts because a FICTION cannot contract with a living man, period! It is an IMPOSSIBILITY!

        In order to conduct ANY commerce within that artificial world one MUST HAVE A SURNAME/LAST NAME to use.

        A SURNAME is NOT YOUR Name. A Surname by itself as a stand lone name is merely the name of a family one was born from. The Surname is a complete SEPARATE AND DISTINCT Name that AUTOMATICALLY bestows upon you at birth. It is NOT GIVEN to you. It AUTOMATICALLY bestows upon you.

        The GIVEN NAME, AKA, Christian Name, ONLY consists of the FIRST Name, OR, the First and Middle Name.

        The GIVEN NAME is SEPARATE AND DISTINCT from the SURNAME, meaning, they NEVER attach together as a FULL NAME for a man.

        When you take the Given Name and ADD a Surname to it, by COMBINING the TWO SEPARATE AND DISTINCT NAMES TOGETHER, you create an entirely new NAME that never existed before!

        That is the artificial legal NAME created by the STATE. While it APPEARS to look the same as the Given Name you were GIVEN, and, the same as the separate and distinct name of the family you were born from, that name is NOT the same as YOUR Name!

        Because of ignorance of us not knowing better, we ASSUMED that name was our name. We ASSUMED that name is us. It is not us and it is not our name. It is the STATE’S NAME the STATE created to provide you with a transmitting utility to USE to transfer all property to the STATE under ITS foreign military occupancy!

        When YOU come in CLAIM that fictitious name as being YOU or as being YOURS you commit CRIMES AND OFFENSES against the UNITED STATES under ITS Lieber Code and you are now subject to FORFEITURE of any property you are USING that you have possession, control and USE of under your natural birth right given to you by your creator!

        Your FALSE CLAIMS subject you to being held as the surety and you CONSENT by making those false claims of ownership where YOUR BODY and/or REAL PROPERTY will be taken to pay for your SINS committed where YOU and/or your property becomes the sacrifice before the alter in front of the Priest with the black robe!

         
  10. Timmy

    October 25, 2012 at 10:06 PM

     
  11. Don

    October 25, 2012 at 11:23 PM

    Dear John,
    I’m presuming you are the only one who does not have a “surname,aka “last name.” I don’t like to presume anything, but please, tell me how my presumption is wrong as I dearly love to be WRONG about some things. I don’t carry ID because I know who I am. But it only makes matters worse when I am stopped for “looking suspicious” & the probable cause for the stop is, probably cause I wanted to.

     
    • John

      October 26, 2012 at 12:09 AM

      I do not have a Surname attached with a given name. I do not USE a Surname other than for fictitious commerce purposes which is used as the STATE’S commercial registered name. When pertaining to myself I have no Surname. Only a given name. Everything used for commerce using the STATE’S registered name is all property vested in the STATE which I do not make any type of claim to. Claiming that name or any property associated with that name would be making a false claim on my part because it is all STATE property, not mine. Works for me. There were court cases filed against the name for credit card debt and a foreclosure. Never replied to any summons. Returned them with notice of mistake sent as private communication. Never appeared in their court, never filed anything into their court, never made a claim to anything. The cases went away. Had I made any claim I would have been the one creating a controversy and most likely would have been held liable as surety for property that is vested in the STATE that did not belong to me. Going to peace works better for me than going to war by making false claims to STATE property.

       
      • Don

        October 26, 2012 at 3:46 AM

        John
        October 26, 2012 at 12:09 AM

        Thank You for your reply. I (<?) have always appeared in their courts, in an orange jail jumpsuit in legirons & handcuffs & for not appearing as you said you did. Sent them made a matter of public record affidavits that explained my position/stand, to no avail. They said they could not understand why I would go to the expense of sending 15 "blank" sheets of paper via registered,return receipt requested mail. Said they were at a loss to understand why I would do that, & then chuckle about it with a sarcastic grin.

         
      • Don

        October 27, 2012 at 3:41 PM

        John,
        Well,is u is aw is u ain’t.

        Seems to me you are playing both ends against the middle. But if it works for you, more power to you. Come on down here to the “Land of Enchantment (witchcraft)” & try it. How much do you wanna bet that I say your domicile/place of abode is in one of the States of the Union, i.e. one that existed before the unlawfully RATified 14th so called amendment? Tell me I’m wrong !!

         
      • John

        October 27, 2012 at 4:23 PM

        The State of the UNION that existed before the military take over was still part of the federal union. I do live within the foreign STATE OF nor the prior State of the union. I live on a free nation state that existed before both foreign States. The original so called organic CONstitution that a select group of men created for THEMSELVES who are the “We the People” that they only referred to themselves was also a foreign corporation. I am not and never was a party to either of their foreign created corporations.

         
  12. sem

    October 26, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    It dosen’t matter weather you argue ‘for’ a thing of or ‘against’ a thing; you are still arguing ‘about’ the thing. Similarly, a Name or a Number is a TITLE of any entity ‘made’ within the borders of the United States of America. The assignment of said Title is immediately affixed to said product upon finalization (re birth).

    Considering the fact that, as Citizen/Denizen/Resident; we have no rights of ownership (of land) and
    freedom of movement is controlled by the Ruling Class, it is safe to presume that either one’s name (UPPER or lower case) or one’s number (numeric or alpha-numeric) is the physical property of the United States and the Spiritual (re soul) is GOD’s property (i.e., the Soul must be “WILLED’ away). It therefore seems that it is likely that the ‘soul’ is presumed (legally) DOA upon being born in the USA (The Matrix), whence, one is trained and assigned to the asssembly-line.

    Remember the saying, “Give Your Soul To Jesus, ‘Cause Your Azz Belongs To Me.” Well, I don’t think they were ‘kidding’.

     
    • Donald

      October 26, 2012 at 1:09 PM

      sem,or, anyone,

      John says: “Never appeared in their court, never filed anything into their court, never made a claim to anything. The cases went away.”

      How do you explain the above message,from John? Also, I do not believe that sending the extortioners their “unopened paperwork” back, with the explanation that the reason it is being sent back is so they might deliver it to the right & proper “person” & including your/my affidavits explaining your/my position/stand, is not “filing” anything with the court. John says,” never filed anything into their court.” I understand that !! Why do you think,as John says,”the cases went away?”

       
      • John

        October 26, 2012 at 6:28 PM

        Do NOT ever use affidavits. Affidavits are FICTION. Even using a Notary is for FICTIONS. ANYTHING that is WITHIN their artificial realm you should never use. Never use their laws as any means for YOUR defense. If their world is not within your world, why would you ever use something from their world for your benefit within your world?

        I am not in nor of their artificial fictional world. I am in the real world. YOU as a “private man” are not a party to their foreign corporate CONstitution. People keep saying MY constitutional rights. There is no MY constitutional rights. How can “I” have constitutional rights to a constitution they have made perfectly clear that “I” as a “private person” am NOT a party to?

        It isn’t MY constitutional rights. It is THEIR constitutional mandate that they are bound to. If they breach THEIR constitutional mandate “I” as a “private person” have NO RIGHT to complain about it because I as a “private person” am NOT a party to it. Only the STATES are a party to it and only they may complain. I as a “private person” and NOT in nor of their imaginary jural society have no recourse or ability to ever go into their foreign private temples. All I can do as a “private person” is contact other members within their jural society and request THEY investigate their own foreign agents for anything they may have violated within their own jural society.

        If you and group of private men and women decided to get together and agree to establish yourselves your own corporate jural society could you force anyone outside your society to have to appear in your private corporate courts? Of course not. You would need their personal CONSENT. Well it is the same thing for them. They MUST have your personal CONSENT to bring you into their foreign private temples of Just-Us.

        The minute you use any of THEIR system for YOUR own personal use as some means to put up a defense on your behalf, you just gave them your CONSENT. If their law society does not pertain to ME, then WHY would I ever use ANYTHING within their jural society as a means to put up a defense on my own behalf? You can’t claim their laws do not apply to you and then use their laws for a benefit on your own behalf. You are either participating in their system or you are not.

        There are no secret contracts. There are no contracts between YOU as a living man or women with some fictitious entity. There is only your CONSENT which that only happens at a particular moment in time on a case by case basis. For example, you might carry and USE their drivers license FOR their registered artificial entity name, but that in itself does NOT make you that entity name nor does carrying it or USING it contract you the man or woman to anything. It only contracts their own entity name. The CONSENT part comes in at the time you are confronted by one of their foreign agents where at that time you CONSENT based on your own false claims!

        For example, a cop may stop you and ask you for YOUR drivers license, YOUR registration, YOUR insurance. When you comply by just handing any of those things to him you just gave your CONSENT by you claiming those things are YOURS which is actually property of the STATE! You just made a FALSE CLAIM and you just self incriminated yourself, perjured yourself.

        Instead, when a cop ASKS you for YOUR drivers license, you should respond by asking him who he is? Are you an agent for the STATE? If he says no then you cannot give him what he is asking for because it is not YOUR PROPERTY to give to anyone. If he says yes, then correct him by saying, so what you are asking me for is YOUR drivers license, YOUR registration and YOUR insurance, correct, officer? If he is an agent for the STATE then it is HIS property he is asking for, not YOUR property!

        I do not have ANY property. I do not OWN anything! I do not make any CLAIMS to anything! NOTHING is MINE! My creator never gave or granted ME any ownership of anything. My creator only gave me DOMINION over everything and dominion only means USE, CONTROL and POSSESSION of things. It has nothing to do with ownership!

        The SYSTEM called government is just an artificial world that has created an imaginary world based on PAPER! When you make any claim to their PAPER, whether it be THEIR licenses, THEIR registrations, THEIR titles, THEIR deeds, THEIR notes, THEIR mortgages, THEIR Names, THEIR anything on PAPER, you just committed crimes and offenses against THEM by making false claims and those crimes and offenses subject you to the loss of any REAL property you have dominion over by your own CONSENT which is established in accord with their rules of war on land under their foreign military occupancy.

        The lieber code section 38 states:

        38. Private property, unless forfeited by crimes or by offenses of the owner, can be
        seized only by way of military necessity, for the support or other benefit of the Army or
        of the United States.
        If the owner has not fled, the commanding officer will cause receipts to be given,
        which may serve the spoliated owner to obtain indemnity.

        This tells you all you need to know in this one section. Under international law per the 1907 hague EVERYTHING operates under the rules of usufruct.

        The STATE issued you THEIR RECEIPT called the birth certificate for you to use as your RECEIPT to obtain COMPLETE INDEMNITY for everything their military has SEIZED under their foreign military occupancy. You are the SPOLIATED OWNER that the STATE has taken everything from in order for the STATE to support its ARMY and GOVERNMENTS.

        Under the STATE OF EMERGENCY (BANKRUPTCY) they have SEIZED and taken ALL PROPERTY (which is really just all paper in their artificial world), installed their own INTERNAL CURRENCY only authorized to be used WITHIN their government of the United States, federal reserve, federal reserve banks, and all national banks regulated by federal reserve banks, and FOR NO OTHER PURPOSE!

        Senate Doc #43, page 9, second paragraph in the right column.
        “The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State; individual so-called “ownership” is only by virtue of Government, i.e., law, amounting to mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State.”

        Congressional Record – House – March 9, 1933
        “The money will be worth 100 cents on the dollar, because it is backed by the credit of the Nation. It will represent a mortgage on all the homes and other property of all the people in the Nation.
        The money so issued will not have one penny of gold coverage behind it. because it is really not needed. We do not need gold to back our INTERNAL currency.”

        January 30, 1934. [H. R. 6976.]
        An Act to protect the currency system of the United States

        Sec. 15 – As used in this Act the term “United States” means the Government of the United States ;

        the term “currency of the United States” means currency which is legal tender “IN” THE UNITED STATES (meaning the government of the United States), and includes United States notes, Treasury notes of 1890, gold certificates, silver certificates, Federal Reserve notes, and circulating notes of Federal Reserve banks and national banking associations;

        They tell you everything within in their own published laws. Their currency is an INTERNAL currency created to ONLY be used WITHIN their government and government controlled banking system. It was never authorized to be used by the private sector!

        The STATE (meaning ALL units of governments i.e. Federal, State, County, City, Township) having SEIZED all property under their emergency, and where the STATE has taken, received, accepted, used, and benefited from, the STATE became the USUFRUCTARY of the usufruct where the STATE has accepted FULL AND COMPLETE LIABILITY for EVERYTHING associated with the 310 million plus NAMES (TITLES) it created through their birth certificates and everything associated with each of those names!

        YOU the living man or woman are the “spoliated/naked owner” of the usufruct having full and complete indemnity with full and complete disposal rights of all the usufruct. The usufruct being everything thing on this earth which was all created by the creator.

        Within their imaginary artificial world everything is based on PAPER and they used PAPER to kill every man, woman and child on earth. Every man, woman and child is PRESUMED DEAD within their artificial world!

        When you were born alive they took your footprints to create an artificial person on PAPER welcoming you into their IMAGINATION hoping you will abandon your ORIGINATION by accepting their imaginary world through you making claims to their artificial PAPER they created that you do not own. By your accepting their PAPER property in place of your real property your creator gave you dominion of, you CONSENT to all their laws, statutes, codes, regulations, public policies, etc., whereby abandoning your creator and his real world he gave you dominion of.

        The creator tells you that he will NOT accept PERSONS or TITLES. If YOU accept any PERSON OR TITLE you abandon your creator as your God/King/Government to worship a false God/King/Government. The creator tells you you can NOT serve two masters! You cannot serve your creator and man made governments!

        JOB 32:21 I will not now accept the person of man, neither will I give titles to man.

        You have to choose. Which world do you choose to be in? The real world created by your creator and serve ONLY HIM as your God/King/Government? OR, do you choose a man made God/King/Government to serve as your master?

        If you claim the name you accept the PERSON of man. If you claim anything on PAPER you accept TITLES! By claiming any it you SIN. By your SINS you WILL be dragged into their temples of Just-Us and placed before the PRIEST in a black robe to answer for your SINS and you WILL be held liable and SACRIFICED at their alter to pay for your SINS whether it be by having your real dominion taken from you or paying with your own body to be placed into prison to cure their PAPER BONDS until they mature creating their artificial profits.

        Hosea 4:6
        “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge because thou hast refused knowledge, I will also refuse thee that thou shalt be no Priest to me: and seeing thou hast forgotten the Law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.”

        time to WAKE UP from the deep sleep and be reborn again!

         
      • sem

        October 26, 2012 at 9:21 PM

        It is my hope that John has examined the ‘Labyrinth of Legal Jargon’ particularly as it refers to DESIGNED ABSTINANCE FROM INQUIRY; and Adequate Notice.

         
      • James Barnes

        October 28, 2012 at 3:21 PM

        Don,
        I’ve seen them use the claimed a mailing was empty before so you do a certificate of mailing locks their asses up cold. You have a third party I use the mail wo/man all the time to certify that this named and versioned Document was sent blah blah and a copy stays with you and another with the paperwork being sent, or go with a friend, witness and have them serve the papers directly while you are there and sign a certificate of service. It works, you watch their tricks and there is always an honorable way to show the truth through their treacherous and deviant ways my brother. Peace!!

         
    • Colleen

      October 26, 2012 at 1:16 PM

      Yes Sim, our soul’s could be willed away, but they didn’t consider we MIGHT figure it out
      threw the internet, or the fact that they pushed us to the limit-with HEY wait a minute-and more!
      Epsecially-since we still have FREE-WILL!
      And once you have returned to competency, there’s nothing THEY can do that WE can’t do. All of the authority granted to the public trust comes from the people. And the people cannot delegate authority they do not have.

      When the County received the birth record it issued a Certificate of Birth. That’s the receipt that proves the delivery (similar to a bill of lading). It is also a security under Title 15 in that it is a certificate of interest. What many people fail to realize is that the failure to return equity when the county registrar received it comprises a stipulation to the creation of a resulting trust. By definition, THEY are the trustees on the trust. THEY are holding the instrument. THEY are holding all the equity. That means that THEY, all of the public officials in total, NOT YOU, are obligated to perform as trustees on the bond according to the rules of the public trust, namely all of the statutes, codes and regulations that you are so convinced apply to you. So once you declare the trust, everything you believe goes out the window and is replaced by the original reality that THEY are the trustees and YOU are the beneficiary.
      THEY NEVER GAVE YOU EQUITY, so they have no standing to demand equity on any statutes!
      It’s not arguing-YOU have every right to demand satisfaction.
      YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE with the authority to release the lien against the real property (your body) and release the personal property (the bonds) that they concocted in your name and against your credit.

       
      • Don

        October 26, 2012 at 5:08 PM

        Colleen,
        Bless you heart for sharing your knowledge & understanding, at least with me & HOPEFULLY at least some others. There are a lot of “know it alls” on this site, especially sem. It is a waste of time to try & enlighten sem about anything, and as you say,”once you have returned to competency” sem came to mind. I know you were not directing that statement to sem, but I sure do. SEM says that George Washington was really the 8th President of the United States. He,sem, says that a black man “named” John Hanson was the first. I asked him,sem, why didn’t John Hanson, a black man,as you,sem,say he was, abolish slavery? I have asked him/her that question several times, but he/she refuses to answer. He, sem, calls me an IDIOT, & uses all caps to emphasize it. Anyway, DEAR Colleen, you are one of the RARE good apples on this “Alfred Adask” law site & I for one am grateful for you wisdom, honesty & humility. Bless you precious heart !!! can’t ever find any typos until AFTER my comments are posted.

         
      • sem

        October 26, 2012 at 9:00 PM

        Colleen:

        I concur with the technical application of your essay inasmuch as it relates to the ‘instrumentality’ of the overall, financial transaction. However, in terms of the subject matter, your essay could be construed as ‘Selling of People’. If so, you have articulated/explained causation for the ‘legality’, thereof.

        Your language/diction is that of business acumen (finance/commerce) and is therefore not readily digestible. Yet, if I understand correctly; the gist of your reply goes to the saying, “You are the servant to whom you obey.”

        Presuming that my understanding of you application is correct; please allow that I expand on it with the notion that many of us heard and acknowledge, yet, could not affix it, as:

        Having to be Born-Again and therefore Being Save from the ‘Sting of Sin’ (death), is what seems to be the final solution.

        That said, please note that it is not my intention to go off subject and make this a religous debate. Please allow said as an interesting ‘piece’ of a complicated puzzle that is now taking shape, as alluded to above.

        PeaceOut=GracefulExit

         
      • PatriotOne

        October 29, 2012 at 3:30 AM

        Sooooo,
        After being forced into a court room,( because if you didn’t go there a man wearing a costume complete with badge and gun will hunt you down,) what could you (or I) say to direct the priest in black robe to dismiss the claim with prejudice?

        Or if, like my Son, he was taken off the street-thrown into a cage-taken and placed in front of a priest-then questioned by the priest. <- what is he supposed to do? he didn't injure or damage or deprive a right (corpus delecti)

        there are men with badges and guns that believe lies to be true, these men will shoot at People in order to impose the lies.

        If I said "oh officer you want YOUR license and YOUR registration and YOUR insurance…" that officer just might point a gun at my head.

        So I'm asking; what could you (or I) say to direct the priest in black robe to dismiss the claim with prejudice?

        And;

        How can I own a home to park my butt without getting the attention of some insane government employee?
        I'm sure the insane government employee[s], living in their world of lies, will not allow me to rest peacefully anywhere I choose.

        We are being forced to play this stupid game of Life v Death or SLAVERY v Freedom

        I'm sure I have dominion, but it's hard to convince a thief…

         
      • colleen

        October 29, 2012 at 11:10 AM

        To Patriotone,
        when you write,-We are being forced to play this stupid game of Life v Death or SLAVERY v Freedom

        I’m sure I have dominion, but it’s hard to convince a thief…

        I “get” what you mean and agree! With having dominion we SHOULD be able to state,

        I do NOT consent! BUT, sense the conditioning of the minions, they ignore.
        I know since my husband and I did state that because of an issue.

        They actually said, “Well lady?-you don’t have too as WE’LL TAKE CARE OF IT!
        To me, at the time-I chose NOT to argue-(pick your battles).

        I feel now- JUST sit tight!-THIS TOO WILL PASS!

         
  13. Colleen

    October 26, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    More I’ve learned,-
    2 SIDES TO THE SSN – IT’S ALSO A CONTRACT, A TRUST, A SPECIAL DEPOSIT.

    Tax class 5 is a designation for estate and gift tax forms, which is what all the 1099, W-2 and W-4 forms are designated. As all 1099, W-2, and W-4 forms are hereby designated as “estate and gift taxes” then would a reasonable man also conclude that the “necessity” for a 1040 be filed is derived from those sources for payment of “income” received from the “transfer of estates or gifts”?

    And the ONLY way one can be held liable per 26 USC 2001(a) for the “transfer” is if one is an executor of a decedent’s estate or if the decedent is a trustor, grantor, of some conservatorship, guardianship, custodianship, or receivership and if the “infant” has received an SSN then the “infant” is AUTOMATICALLY excluded via IRS manual 21.7.13.3.2.2.

    And I do not think the “employer” intended to “gift” because on the transcript it is already encoded as a “payor – payee relationship”. So, in order to enforce a 1040 upon one, the agent must first be operating under the
    presumption one is executor of decedent’s estate, which would mean for every 1040 filed, a death must have occurred, at least “on paper” and then enforce the 1040 “tax” which is a “class 2 tax” or “individual income” from those sources against the executor for “payment received in service of the estate” under 26 USC 2001(a) for the transfer as “individual income tax”; a clever deception indeed.
    NAME = public notice of presumption of death = tombstone = public notice of offering of securities for sale which means the State, right after receiving the birth record, automatically creates a presumption of death and then treats everyone as if they were deceased as a result of the presumption, which completely reverses the tax liability and all application of law.

    This is the secret religion hides from the people in the bible: We are all executors over “stewardship of the earth” with all the other trustees (gods) to ensure all the beneficiaries (society: a
    resulting trust) have everything they need to administrate this resulting trust (rule) for the beneficiaries (citizens) made in our IMAGE or NAME. NAME is a “vessel” erected by the “pagans” (ignorant masses) to receive “god”, but if one does not “know” this, then one is one of the “pagans” and is considered a “living dead thing” or “zombie” because until NAME receives “the spirit” or “life”, it is a “tombstone” or “advertisement that is most often used in the financial industry, where a particular transaction, such as an initial public offering or placement of stock of a company, is formally announced.

    This is done in a form that discloses the participants in a specified order according to their role in underwriting or brokering the transaction” and if one has no clue, then one is the “decedent” or “sacrifice to the god” for whom the”vessel” was created.

    So, in the “real world” NAME = silent public notice of a presumption of death and initial public
    offering of securities from of an estate of a decedent and all these “claimants” are really “vultures in polyester suits”. This is the “enabling act” for this whole BS … it seems in DC, the “wish-we-were-still-kings-at-everyone-else’s-expense” decided all infants were going to be bastards and thus “not entitled” to inheritance because the mother is a “whore”….sounds to me like the same “argument” they made about “Mary” being the mother of “Jesus”. They do not carry a grudge for long, do they? I guess “divine right” for one is more important than divine providence for all.

    As this
    presumption is the problem, this is the crux of the solution: NAME is a public notice of a presumption of death and they did not wait the 7 years, they may have waited 7 minutes after one is borne, but prob as soon as birth record was received by registrar. NAME = decedent but not infant because of the presumption so one must overcome the presumption via a footprint and simple “declaration of life” and the infant and SSN then “merge” and NAME just becomes a “vessel to receive the spirit” ……

    ANY NAME is public notice of a presumption of death
    ANY NAME = INFANT = corporation

    so, in any transaction between two “infants”. the one without the SSN is the decedent and liable for the tax on the transfer of securities in and out of the SSN trust as owner of the trust which is the contract because all the considerational components of contracts have been plaed into SSN trust for the purposes of the contract administration and of which is also the Securities Account for conversion of securities and NAME is the entitlement holder, the IRS the intermediary and trustee/administrator of the resulting usufruct, of which the one with claim is the usufructuary of the estate held in trust and administered.

    So when the agent identifes one through the NAME and SSN, any presumption of death/decedent NAME provided has just been rebutted by the very fact NAME and SSN has now identifed one who can not possibly be “deceased” or a “decedent” INFANT + SSN = not decedent INFANT + any other number = decedent
    So, what do you think? make sense? you like?

     
    • Don

      October 26, 2012 at 6:07 PM

      you like?
      NO !! I don’t like it

      I LOVE IT !!!

       
      • colleen

        October 26, 2012 at 9:40 PM

        OK,ok,ok-Don? would YOU happen to be from Texas? (Bless your heart)-too sweet and THANK YOU!
        When I first moved here and then got the flu and home from work different folkes
        would call and hear my voice and ask what’s the matter?- and I’d say-ugh I got the flu AND they always said back -Bless your heart, and from that point on I have loved it here. Never in Chicago would anyone say that to me.
        Another point of letting you know this is because of your warning
        me of folks being “know it alls”. BOY I could tell you that I too was there.
        Not so much outwardly,as I really couldn’t stand to be thought of as stupid, dumb,and most of all, ignorant!,
        But inwardly in my thoughts, like being shocked, pisses off, angry, (I thing there’s 7 basic emotions all together) to acceptance.
        What SEM, john, Eileen, etc are writing, seems to me is “where” they are in mind, body and soul. Not good or bad, just is.
        So I respect wherever they are and thank the time they took
        just to write. Personally, I find this “GROUP” pretty intelligent, thoughtful and well read in
        comparison to the many variety sites I am a member of.

        This is my first time of doing the informing and Al was the first one I thought of because of the way HE is. My husband and I have read, LISTENED and saw him on 60 minutes when aired.
        We even mentioned to each other wanting to meet him someday knowing he too lived here.
        My timing was lost however just now hearing he’s moving-UGH!

        I’ve read how important it is to “know who you are”, to get out of the “matrix”, to “merge” your
        self, to claim or not to. With it ever so confusing and sounding like riddles, I couldn’t pinpoint
        WHAT to do or just wait. or give up.

        WITH this new knowledge my mind is just a blaze with all the possibilitties!
        Think of no more fears-WE run the show-the way it was supposed to be where we can choose and decide whatever great life experience we want to have without fear “they” will stop you.
        I’d love to get ideas of ALL the different ways that WE can live the way we are meant to.

        Can a new topic be made JUST for this?

        WOO-HOO and the good times will be a-rollin-HA
        THANK YOU ALL, Colleen

         
    • Don

      October 30, 2012 at 2:42 AM

      Colleen,

      @Not so much outwardly,as I really couldn’t stand to be thought of as stupid, dumb,and most of all, ignorant!,
      Ignorant simply means, “unaware,” I have to be, I must be, ignorant about MANY things. My brother & I were discussing something one time, I forget now what it was, anyway, I said, to him, Brother,I don’t believe we know enough about this subject to discuss it, due to our ignorance. He said: DON”T BE CALLING ME STUPID, YOU CAN CALL YOURSELF THAT BUT DON”T CALL ME STUPID. My flesh & blood brother & I never did get along too well. Still, he was my Brother, & I loved him.

       
    • Don

      October 30, 2012 at 2:50 AM

      @sounding like riddles.
      Aw C’moan now, Really? To say riddles is saying something good about it/them. (heh heh)

       
    • Don

      October 30, 2012 at 3:50 PM

      WOO-HOO instead of BOO-HOO IS better. I don’t know if I will live to see it, but I hope You & Russell will.

       
  14. Don

    October 26, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    John
    You say: “time to WAKE UP from the deep sleep and be reborn again!”

    Only YHWH can wake up the “dead.” I find it rather odd that the affidavits you say not to use would be “magically” transformed into 15 blank pages if they were of no value. Seems to me they would have accepted them with pleasure as evidence to support even more so their position. You see,even tho I sent the “contents” I failed to do something proving what was included in the contents. I thought they had at least a single degree of integrity. I was wrong !! BUT,I also fail to see how an affidavit opposing “foreign venue, & of positive identification of who I am, the whole 9 yards, eg my mother & father, their mothers & fathers & on, is using “their paperwork.” Did I understand you to say you HAD credit cards at least at one time? If so, this tells me a LOT.

     
    • John

      October 26, 2012 at 8:33 PM

      Are ye all not Gods? Is the power of Christ not within YOU? Are YOU not the church? Didn’t Jesus teach these things? Didn’t Jesus say you will all do even more things than he did? YOU ARE YHWH. Did he not he create you and all things? Does that not make everything and everyone a part of YHWH? Are we not all one? Only if you are sleeping as the dead. The power of Christ is WITHIN YOU. YOU ARE THE CHURCH. Wake up and realize all the power is within you. Your waking up is the return of Christ.

      If your affidavit meant anything then why did it get flipped over and turned into blank paper? Welcome to the land of the living dead! They can not SEE you, the man, They cannot HEAR YOU the man, they cannot RECOGNIZE YOU the man, and they cannot ACKNOWLEDGE YOU the man. So if you submit anything into their dead system that pertains to you the living, then of course it will turn into blank paper. That is because in their world, they can SEE, HEAR, RECOGNIZE or ACKNOWLEDGE YOU as a living man. They can only see, hear, recognize and acknowledge the DEAD (fiction). But the mere fact you entered into their temple and they flipped the paper over to see just blank paper, YOU gave them your CONSENT by entering that blank paper into their court!

      The very nature of “affidavit” is a fictitious legal document used only within their fictitious legal society. That is how it is using their paper work. Affidavits were created in their system. Man does not use affidavits. The very word affidavit is fictional legal term and document.

      I USED credit cards. After all, I am the creditor of their system. Without my energy/labor they have no juice to create their needed credit to operate their fictitious system.

      Their credit/money/debt is to their system like my blood is to my system for my body to function. Without blood this body I use cannot function. Without credit/money in their body their body politic system cannot function.

      Their system has USURPED everything on this planet where they have SEIZED it all under their foreign military occupancy. They take ALL YOUR energy/labor and convert that into their CREDIT they obtain from YOU to provide their system with its blood it needs to live and operate with. Upon their having USURPED everything on this planet, THEY have accepted full and complete liability for EVERYTHING you do and need by having issued you your very own redemption CERTIFICATE (CHRIST) to use as your redemption of all SINS through the use of your (CHRIST) birth certificate name.

      The problem is we have all MISUSED that name and instead of PROPERLY using it the way it was designed and intended to be used, we misused it by making false claims of ownership to that name and everything associated with that name. We became SINNERS and are being held liable for our SINS for having made false claims.

      Now I no longer misuse it. Now when I get something I just return it with notice of MISTAKE! That ain’t ME, it ain’t MINE, and I make no claim to any of it! I do not need to prove anything to them as to who I am. I AM THAT I AM! I just merely need to inform them of there being a MISTAKE so they can contact the REAL PARTY OF INTEREST that is the proper fiduciary that can vouch for THEIR NAME!

      Under their created TRUST I am the living beneficiary and their public officials are the Executors, Administrators and Trustees.

      Under the rules of usufruct that all their trusts subjected to operate under, the STATE is the usufructary and I am the “naked owner”.

      Just like you can’t see your creator, in their world they can never see you! In their world you are God! The one and only who remains invisible and can never be seen, heard, recognized or acknowledged because YOU the living God of their world are not in their world.

      If “I” the living can never be seen, never be heard, never be recognized and never be acknowledge WITHIN their world, then WHY in the world would I ever even try or attempt to enter into it by trying to get them to see, hear, recognize or acknowledge what they cannot ever do, only to place myself right into their jurisdiction and custody? Is it any wonder they send so many for a mental exams?

       
      • Don

        October 27, 2012 at 12:34 AM

        Hi John

        I think it’s me that is not undrestanding something. Blank paper has a front & a back side, both sides are blank, at least that is my understanding of what blank paper is. What I sent was 15 pages of UNBLANK paper,15 pages of full page WORDS/TERMS,ect, It is true that each FLIP side of the 15 pages I sent WAS blank. In other words, I wrote nothing on the reverse side. But when I was shown what they said I SENT, both sides of the paper was blank. I did not send 15 front & back BLANK pages. They tried to make me think that’s what I did. So,eg if you send me 15 pages explaining ANYTHING & I try to impress upon you that I only received 15 BLANK pages, I am doing that for at least one reason. They also put me in a torture chamber they called: “The Blue Room.”
        The reason they gave for doing this was to GET YOUR (my) MIND RIGHT. The 15 “blank” pages was just another tactic to make me think I was off my rocker/loony.etc.I may be, today,off my rocker ffrom what they have put me through. but I DID NOT send them 15 blank pages. So, once again IF my affidavits MEANT NOTHING they would not have destroyed them.With this in mind, you say: “If your affidavit MEANT ANYTHING then why did it get flipped over and turned into blank paper?

        I, Don, say/ask: IF,IF, IF my affidavits DID NOT mean anything then why did THEY destroy them & try to make me think that is all I sent them,e.g.15 two sided blank pages?

        You,John say,I USED credit cards. After all, I am the creditor of their system.You said before that: They can only see, hear, recognize and acknowledge the DEAD (fiction)
        I don’t know why you want to be & are a creditor of the DEAD, but that’s your business,not mine.

        You,John,also say: “Without my (your) energy/labor they have no juice to create their needed credit to operate their fictitious system.” This tells me,Don, a lot too !

        You,John,say:”Their system has USURPED everything.” And you also said: “Without my (your) energy/labor they have no juice to create their needed credit to operate their fictitious system.”
        ENERGIZE THEM THEN !!!

         
      • Don

        October 27, 2012 at 12:51 AM

        Re:”Now when I get something I just return it with notice of MISTAKE! That ain’t ME, it ain’t MINE.”

        Where do you write all this ain’t me stuff since you say not to send them anything? If you send them back something that “ain’t you” you are still sending them something.

        You say:I just merely need to inform them of there being a MISTAKE so they can contact the REAL PARTY OF INTEREST that is the proper fiduciary that can vouch for THEIR NAME!

        How do you inform them? Please don’t say via U.S.P.S. because you have made it clear not to send them ANYTHING. OH ! I know,you take it to them personally. You hand deliver it. Oh,ok.

        John, YOU are so esoteric.

         
      • John

        October 27, 2012 at 1:48 AM

        I said I don’t FILE ANYTHING into their court, as in, file any answer or send anything that can be put into the court record. I send NOTICE as a PRIVATE COMMUNICATION sent to the LIVING MAN who is ACTING in the capacity of a fictitious character! I use the mail by using stamps. No private corporate meter strips.

        And don’t say that ain’t me. I send it back because it ain’t me. The PERSON they APPEAR to be looking for is not at this location so their papers are being returned.

        It works for me and it works for many others who done this the same way.

        In fact, as I type this I am on a call with someone who also did this and they called to tell me the foreclosure sale scheduled on the home they are living in has just DISAPPEARED! There is no more record of it. It was scheduled for sale this week!

         
      • Don

        October 27, 2012 at 7:05 PM

        John,et al,
        Re: Does that not make everything and everyone a part of YHWH?

        “Everything?” If you have the ability to make a wooden toy car,is the car a “part” of YOU ? I don’t see how it is a part of you, the same as I cannot see a HOG being a “PART” of YHWH. The hog was created for a special purpose.The hog is a scavenger,The hog was created to be a part of cleaning up the cesspool of the Earth, same as “bottom feeder” fish, e.g. catfish.

         
    • PatriotOne

      October 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM

      On the back (blank) side of court papers I write:

      ” This blank side
      reads exactly as,
      and is a mirror of,
      the written side. ”

      [sans quotes & thumb printed] (should probably replace the word AND with the word OR as the word OR includes the word AND) I place this 14 word paragraph 3-4 times on each blank page.

      Some might word their papers differently. Whether it has any effect I do not know.

      I also red ink my thumb print next to my autograph hoping to indicate a living breathing Man wrote these words.

      BUT, the government employees leave their blank sides blank. Equal protection under the law?

       
  15. Anon4fun

    October 26, 2012 at 8:15 PM

    John wrote: “Look up the IRS definitions of all tax reporting forms such as the W4, W2, all 1099′s, 1098, etc. They are ALL defined as a class 5 tax which a class 5 tax is defined as ESTATE AND GIFT TAX!”

    Where exactly did you find this information?

    The IRS has a page for downloading what they call “estate and gift tax” forms, and none of the ones you mention are included:

    http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Forms-and-Publications—Estate-and-Gift-Tax

    Please cite the source for your potential useful information, so research can proceed on a solid footing.

     
    • John

      October 26, 2012 at 8:53 PM

      Get the IRS Code manual 6209.

      IRS Processing Codes and Information 2012 Document 6209 (Rev. 01-2012) Cat No. 61462O

      Go to pdf page 237 of that manual which begins:

      Section 2 – Tax Returns and Forms

      This list all their forms and gives a TAX CLASS number

      CLASS TAX 5 is what the W2, W4, ALL 1099 forms, 1098 form, etc are all classified as, Tax Class 5

      The 1040 form is a class tax 2

      Then go pdf page number 273 of that manual which defines what the class tax numbers mean

      Code Definition

      5 Information Return Processing (IRP), Estate and Gift Tax

      2 Individual Income Tax, Fiduciary Income Tax, Partnership return

      Now you tell me, what exactly and specifically does a W4 required by any employer to be filled out by you and signed have to do with any ESTATE AND GIFT TAX?

      What does the W2 form the employer uses to report your earnings with have to do with ESTATE AND GIFT TAX?

      Did YOU intend for all your wages to be a GIFT to someone or something?

      If your employer is a PAYOR and you are a PAYEE, then this cannot have anything to do with any GIFT! So that leaves just ESTATE!

      Well WHAT ESTATE? There can’t be any ESTATE unless there is a DECEDENT (DEAD) that that SSN being used was issued to.

      So then it appears based on these findings and the very definitions of these IRS forms that IRS is PRESUMING there is an ESTATE TAX involved here which can only mean that the one who was issued the SSN used on that reporting is a DECEDENT OF THAT ESTATE, where it appears the IRS is PRESUMING the one that is using that SSN is an EXECUTOR of that ESTATE where the EXECUTOR is liable for the ESTATE TAX being reported!

      So either they are PRESUMING all this, OR, they are intentionally MISAPPLYING their own tax code through an intentional misapplication of their own tax laws as they are written.

      So which is it?

       
      • Don

        October 30, 2012 at 4:05 PM

        John, You say in pertinent part:

        In fact, as I type this I am on a call with someone who also did this and they called to tell me the foreclosure sale scheduled on the home they are living in has just DISAPPEARED! There is no more record of it. It was scheduled for sale this week!

        I can just see you typingaway & “talking away” at the same time. This IS a dead give away that that you are “something” more than a “normal man” OR you have superduper EGO.

         
      • John

        October 30, 2012 at 4:45 PM

        no EGO and certainly not no super duper anything. I was called while I was typing listening with headphones on. And if you notice that was my last reply to this thread for sometime since I was on that call.

         
    • Don

      October 27, 2012 at 1:10 AM

      To: Anon4fun
      Re: Your question; Where exactly did you find this information?

      He finds it in the “Book of the Dead.” I’m serious Anon4fun. I wonder IF he is honest enough to say so.If he does respond to your question, & does not come right out & straight forwardly say “The Book of the DEAD,ask him if it is a.k.a The Book of the DEAD. See if you get an answer to that.

      Anon4fun ANYone that kees saying “WAKE UP” doesn’t really know what’s going on.Sleeping sheep are better off sleeping. GROW UP is more to the point. Am I saying that I’m ALL grown up? NO ! but I am awake Stiil growing, I hope.

       
  16. Anon4fun

    October 26, 2012 at 10:06 PM

    John wrote:

    >>Code Definition

    5 Information Return Processing (IRP), Estate and Gift Tax

    2 Individual Income Tax, Fiduciary Income Tax, Partnership return

    Now you tell me, what exactly and specifically does a W4 required by any employer to be filled out by you and signed have to do with any ESTATE AND GIFT TAX?

    What does the W2 form the employer uses to report your earnings with have to do with ESTATE AND GIFT TAX?<<

    The answer to both your questions is: nothing. The W-2 and W-4 forms have nothing to do with an Estate and Gift Tax. But the W-2 and W-4 forms have everything to do with Information Return Processing.

    The reason the W-2 and W-4 are in Tax Class 5 is not because they are Estate and Gift Tax forms, but rather because they are Information Return Processing forms. What the IRS calls Information Return Processing forms are filed to report on third parties, which is what the W-2 and W-4 are for.

     
    • John

      October 26, 2012 at 11:18 PM

      If it has nothing to do with Estate and Gift tax then why does it say Estate and Gift Tax?

      “Information Return Processing (IRP), Estate and Gift Tax”

      “What the IRS calls Information Return Processing forms are filed to report on third parties, which is what the W-2 and W-4 are for.”

      And isn’t an EXECUTOR for an ESTATE exactly that? A THIRD party? For reporting information on ESTATE AND GIFT TAX for a third party, such as, the executor of the estate that the information is being reported for!

      You want to just completely eliminate the actual verbiage of “Estate and Gift Tax” that “Information Return Processing (IRP) is referring to?

       
      • Don

        October 27, 2012 at 2:11 AM

        Re:If it has nothing to do with Estate and Gift tax then why does it say Estate and Gift Tax?

        Because it’s from the Book of the DEAD !! The ITS can say & do anythig they damn well please. Doubletalk, gobble-D gook, whatever turns their crank. That’s the way ALL of Satan’s agents operate. I’m beginning to sadly think you already knew this & are “fishing.” I hope I’m wrong.

         
    • Don

      October 30, 2012 at 4:16 PM

      Anon4fun,

      Big Al, might like what follows. If you think so,send it to him.

      Infant – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      An infant (from the Latin word infans, meaning “unable to speak” or “speechless”) is the very young offspring of a human or other mammal. (<human or "other" ammal, excuse me, mammal.

      mammal – definition of mammal by the Free Online Dictionary …
      Any of various warm-blooded vertebrate animals of the class Mammalia, including humans, characterized by a covering of hair on the skin and, in the female, milk-producing mammary glands for nourishing the young.

      ANY ANIMALS

       
      • Adask

        October 30, 2012 at 9:00 PM

        I like it. There is a faint implication that the system may presume that the essence of a man may be his ability to speak. Those who can’t or won’t speak may be tantamount to “infants” and/or animals.

        It crosses my mind that “In the beginning there was the Word . . . .” “And the LORD said, ‘Let there be light . . . .'” The capacity for language may be crucial to being deemed (by this system) to be a “man”. God loves us regardless of our ability to speak, but it may be that this system deems those who are mute, intentionally silent, or inarticulate to be “infants” and/or “animals”. If you are an “infant,” someone (probably an attorney; maybe a judge) should probably take care of you as a “ward of the court”.

         
  17. Ummer

    October 26, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    “What rationale presumes that a living infant is even capable of granting/creating a trust?”

    Religion is applied here again, before we are born, we all testify amongst God that he is our master.

    Quran 7:172 translation
    And [mention] when your Lord took from the children of Adam – from their loins – their descendants and made them testify of themselves, [saying to them], “Am I not your Lord?” They said, “Yes, we have testified.” [This] – lest you should say on the day of Resurrection, “Indeed, we were of this unaware.”

    http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=7&verse=172#%287:172:1%29

    The point here is that people are not born atheists, but born believers. They have a trust with God.

    It’s like satan when he went to push our parents into doing something against their trust with God, they forgot about that trust with God.

    “Is yet to recieve an SSN” – Definition of SSN?

     
    • Don

      October 26, 2012 at 11:28 PM

      Quran 7:172 translation

      Glad to see you are using the Religion & “The Book” that this Country was founded upon to get your point(s) across. I think it was thr Marchflower Contract that said in pertinent part ” ……and to establish and promote The Muslim Religion. Good show bummer, excuse me, I mean ummer.

       
      • deb

        October 31, 2012 at 9:20 PM

        HOOT :-)

         
    • John

      October 26, 2012 at 11:31 PM

      The only thing I could think of is, an infant could be named a beneficiary of a trust or in a will and if the parents or whoever that created the trust or will were to die and then the infant named beneficiary was to die, everything in that trust or will left to the infant becomes part of the infant’s estate. If the infant had not yet been issued a SSN then this would be one of those RARE occasions where the infant has YET to be issued a SSN.

      SSN = social security number

      But the issue is, IF the SSN that was issued to the infant is still being used, and the IRS application being applied is by the use of ESTATE AND GIFT TAX forms as defined in their code manual, then that means the IRS is PRESUMING there is an ESTATE involved here with that SSN being used and the ONLY way an ESTATE can be involved is ONLY if the infant that SSN was issued to is DEAD! There cannot be an Estate if the infant is not dead and if the infant is not dead the very use of a ESTATE AND GIFT TAX reporting form is NOT the proper form to be used in reporting anything with.

       
      • Don

        October 27, 2012 at 4:39 AM

        Re:SSN = social security number

        Wow !! Thanks for that. I didn’t know that either. Would it be proper for me to say is/means, instead of using = e.g., SSN means/is a Social Security Number? It is also a Socialist Surveillance CONTROL number too & the number of the BEAST as written in The Book of Revelation.

         
  18. Anon4fun

    October 26, 2012 at 11:58 PM

    John:

    {If it has nothing to do with Estate and Gift tax then why does it say Estate and Gift Tax?}

    By “it” you presumably mean Tax Class 5, because that is where the “Estate and Gift Tax” phrase is found. In which case, “it,” i.e. Tax Class 5, does indeed have to do with Estate and Gift tax.

    What does not have to do with Estate and Gift tax are the W-2 and W-4 forms. They have to do with INCOME reported by a third party, which falls under the “Information Return Processing” criterion of Tax Class 5.

    {And isn’t an EXECUTOR for an ESTATE exactly that? A THIRD party?}

    An executor is a third party. An employer is also a third party.

    {You want to just completely eliminate the actual verbiage of “Estate and Gift Tax” that “Information Return Processing (IRP) is referring to?}

    “Information Return Processing” is not referring to the “Estate and Gift Tax” verbiage. There are Estate and Gift Tax forms, and there are Information Return Processing forms. Tax Class 5 covers both of these.

     
    • John

      October 27, 2012 at 12:10 AM

      yet none of the agents from a local branch, and none of the agents from a CID office, and none of the agents from IRS general counsel in DC, and none of the agents from a phone call to the main office are able to answer or explain this?

      Where do you get your definitions from within the tax manuals or whatever that defines and explains what you are saying?

       
    • John

      October 27, 2012 at 12:16 AM

      How is an employer a 3rd party? The employer is a direct party between the two parties involved. The employer is a party and the payer to the employee party as the payer.

      A third party is a person NOT directly involved between the two parties.

      Third Party = Of or relating to a person or group BESIDES the two primarily involved in a situation.

      An employer and employee ARE the two primarily involved

       
    • John

      October 27, 2012 at 12:26 AM

      (b) The third digit is the tax class. This identifies the type of tax each transaction involves.

      The class TAX code is NOT for determining the FORMS used. It is to identify the type of TAX

      Information Return Processing is NOT a TYPE OF TAX. But Estate and Gift tax IS a TYPE OF TAX.

      It doesn’t say Information Return Processing FORMS or TYPE OF FORMS or anything about any FORMS. This section only identifies the TYPE OF TAX and a FORM itself is NOT a type of TAX! A form is merely used for reporting different types of TAX. This section doesn’t identify type of FORMS, it identifies type of TAX! How is a FORM used a type of TAX? It is not.

      The ONLY type of TAX here is Estate and Gift TAX.

       
      • Don

        October 27, 2012 at 4:21 PM

        To Who it may concern the following does not apply to “John”

        Just make sure if & when you file a petition with FEDZILLA, you abide by the following:

        A petition authorized by 28 U. S. C. §1651(a), §2241, or §2254(a) shall be prepared in all respects as required by Rules 33 and 34 as prescribed by Rule 14, Rule 39,and Rule 12.2. The petition shall be served as required by Rule 29 (subject to subparagraph 4(b) of this Rule). 3. (a). (b) The petition shall be served on every party to the proceeding with respect to which relief is sought. Within 30 days after the petition is placed on the “docket”, a party shall file 40 copies of any brief or briefs in opposition thereto, which shall comply fully with
        Rule15. AND,

        Please remember, ALL process of this Court (Supreme Court of the United States) issues in the name of the President of the United States,” accord, Supreme Court Rules, Process; Mandates, Rule 45. (Proof that the separation of powers still is in force,RIGHT? OF COURSE !!

        Maybe the courts inferior to the “Top Court” do not issue ALL their “process” in the name of the President of the United States but I believe they do because what the Top Court does not come right out & say is> President of the United States as commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces. Either way it’s executive.Then again the Judicial act of 1948 took away the “judicial power” of the courts. Sho nuff did. I aine lyin.

         
  19. Anon4fun

    October 27, 2012 at 1:15 AM

    John:

    As to definitions, I’ve mostly been using yours. Info about the W-2 and W-4 is easy to find. Wikipedia, for example, will confirm my descriptions:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_tax_forms

    I don’t have a handy IRS source for the Information Return Processing program at the moment. It is described at the following link which can get you started on some research:

    http://www.irszoom.com/TDIpage.htm

    If you need more official definitions, I can find them as time permits.

    {Third Party = Of or relating to a person or group BESIDES the two primarily involved in a situation.}

    Exactly. The IRS and the taxpayer are the two primary parties. Sometimes they are the only parties. At other times, an employer is the third party.

    {Information Return Processing is NOT a TYPE OF TAX. But Estate and Gift tax IS a TYPE OF TAX.}

    Correct, but besides the point. Your argument (which you can scroll up and read if you forgot it) was that the W-2 and W-4 are for Estate and Gift Tax due to their being in Tax Class 5. The problem with this theory is that Tax Class 5 also has an Information Return Processing category in which the W-2 and W-4 fit perfectly well as the INCOME reporting forms the IRS claims them to be.

     
  20. Cody

    October 27, 2012 at 1:51 AM

    As if this thread needs any more commentary…I’ll just ask some questions:

    Was I a witness to the day I was “born”?

    Has my “birth” been verified?

    Why are you asking who I am? Do you need me to verify that which you do not know or cannot prove?

    Are you who you say you are? Can you prove/verify, under oath, that you are who you tell me I am to understand you are? Where are the witnesses to verify the fact of your authority?

    Is your intent to testify against me? Are you attempting to compel me to testify against myself?

    What is the “truth”?

    If I cannot positively verify any of the information you are requesting, what is the presumption of it’s validity?

    Who am I?

    It seems like these are the things we need to have “them” answer. Why should we do any work for them?

    It’s my understanding that “every fact must be established by two or three witnesses”. Where are their witnesses? If I am tricked into being a witness against myself, does that not give them one of the two or three that they need?

    P.S. Beware the Moors. They have one massive fallacy in their legal theory. Have you found it?

     
    • Don

      October 27, 2012 at 2:38 AM

      Dear Cody,
      Re:It’s my understanding that “every fact must be established by two or three witnesses”

      This only applies to the “God LORD’s way of obtaining justice. Satan’s way doesn’t even require one(1) witness. The “powers tha be” are certainly not doing anything The Good LORD’s way. BUT The Good LORD is ALLOWING this & for GOOD reasons. It’s the END result that matters in ALL things,regardless. The end is near. Today, for the first time, I see a NEW name for a storm approaching, They call it The Frankenstorm. U ain’t seen nuthin yet, Only the beginning—-of THE END. Thank “God.”

       
      • Cody

        October 27, 2012 at 3:47 PM

        Hey Don,
        Thanks for considering my post.

        With regard to the religious aspects of the judicial system, it would seem that since we are saved by grace the rulings of the earthly judges are moot. So, since Satan and his judicial servants are trying to outdo The Father, I think their tendency would be to get more than three witness. Especially since:

        ” 1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3 In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

        6 This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9 We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5 NIV.

        So, in spite of the fact that we are saved from eternal damnation we are still required to work out our salvation in the present life. This requires exceptional diligence and I have personally suffered as a result of my ignorance. So, from what I seen in my experience, the more we are armed with knowledge the more the judges worried. Or perhaps pragmatically speaking they get to bothered and figure they can’t make enough money because of the time required to “pro se cute” us.

        So, part of the cost of eternal vigilance is encounters with the enforcers. Even some of them can be educated. Converted? Maybe not. Maybe so. I’ve tried to treat is like it’s a mission. The odd thing is I’m having fewer encounters in spite of retaining their documents while disregarding more of their statutes. That is not to say I’m advocating excessive speed in school or construction zones. However, I may carry a concealed handgun where it might be “prohibited”.

        The interesting thing about the Apostle Paul was he knew how to use his “Roman”/”civilian”/”citizenship” status to his advantage. Should we not do the same?

         
    • Don

      October 27, 2012 at 6:26 AM

      To who it may concern:

      It is beyond me why these simple words are not grasped/understood or believed.The words are: “Anything you SAY CAN and WILL BE used against you.What is so hard to understand about, ANYTHING? Anything you say? Yes is anything,No is anything.But even that doesn’t matter. One time out of many times in court, I uttered not ONE word. Finally, the Judge said: OH NO !! YOU DON”T COME INTO MY COURT TRYING TO TAKE OVER !!! THIRTY DAYS !! How was I trying to take over by remaining silent?
      I
      vory Tower teachers have the answer,but I don’t want their ivory tower advice. Front line warriors KNOW what I mean, so you talk to me. I’m all eyes & ears for you.

      I am only saying what I do to hopefully help others(other than the ivory tower instructors)see what they are really coming up aganst ? After I had nothing left to lose, literraly, I admit,for the last 10 years I have been living under a rock for the most part, literally,riches to rags, & maybe things have gotten better. It took them 10 years to beat me to a pulp, & for the last 10 years I have been in hiding for the most part. Maybe things have gotten better. However, ANYONE will have a hard time convincing me it has gotten better. Only those who have been HURT to the extent death would be a blessing will understand where I’m coming from. & NO, sem, you are not one who has been hurt that much, IF AT ALL.Your posts explain what “Bipolar” means as well, if not better than anything else could

      Attention ALL ivory tower teachers. Please do not respond to this message only to try & show me how much you know & how intelligent you are & tell me I am an IDIOT. My messages will speak for themselves.

       
    • Don

      October 27, 2012 at 7:19 PM

      Cody
      As if this thread needs any more commentary

      Aw c’moan Cody, it’s just beginning to get good.

       
  21. Don

    October 27, 2012 at 1:53 AM

    To Doug:

    Thanks Doug. I forgot to say that they revoked it immediately after they created it. This was done in 1997 but I did not “discover this” until a couple of years ago. They also had to use,I guess,a jailhouse mugshot for a picture.I have never seen it. A State Trooper made me aware of it about 2 years ago but all he knew was, I was “driving” on a NM revoked driver license. I have NEVER had a NM driver license.

    You say: Should State-zilla create a document or license etc., that requires a signature under penalty of perjury of their own volition and without your actual signature – they are guilty of forgery and a number of other felonies – like falsifying govt docs etc.

    Who adjudicates this in your favor? I have cases on the books(my own) in every law library in this “Country.” Just a couple of short excerpts from ANY one of them would blow a rational man’s mind away. I KID you NOT.

    Thanks Doug for your comment. I appreciate it. Hey, I am going to include 1 short excerpt from one of the cases I mentioned. The Supreme Court of New Mexico said the case centered around two questions. I’ll just start with the second question & what the Court SAID in the question itself says a lot,at least to me.What you are about to read is a cut & paste verbatim. When The Court says the second,they mean & are referring to the second question,the case presents. Here goes.

    “The second is whether the injunction, even if invalid, insulates the Defendant from a contempt citation for its wilful violation. We hold that the district court’s injunction exceeded its authority, but we nonetheless affirm the citation for contempt.” (end of court excerpt)

    Even if invalid & made without authority. My my my. Well believe it or not it gets much worse than this. The Court went on to say that I contemptiously violated the made without authority invalid order,& It even got worse than that, believe it or not. I just wanted to let you see HOW IT STARTED

     
  22. Don

    October 27, 2012 at 3:12 AM

    pop.

    1.-If I come to someones picnic table and voluntarily sit down does this obligate me to refrain from voluntarily standing up and walking away?

    It is RUDE & SELFISH & ARROGANT & POMPOUS & INCONSIDERATE of YOU or ME to “voluntarily” as you say, go to anyone’s picnic table without being invited. Who in the hell do you think you are ?

    2.-If I helped myself to their sandwiches or BBQ, I still would only be responsible for the food I took advantage of, and not be reduced to chattel of theirs. If they wish to make a claim, it would only be for that which I helped myself to, the sandwiches or BBQ.

    First of all you had better not even start to think of helping yourself to ANY food without me inviting you. NOW, on the other hand, IF for example you approached me & said you were hungry, * could I spare a sandwich I would say,sit down,make yourself at home & ENJOY ALL of the Good LORD’s BLESSINGS.

    3.The SSN and associated account are the governments property we can stop utilizing them.

    Please tell me HOW I am utilizing them. How many times do I have to tell you that I am not a card carrying SOCIALIST? Are you on your drugs AGAIN ?

    4.-You only have interest in them to the governments satisfaction that you are loyal to them and share in their looters mentality. If you were to attempt to have your name put on the record to the earliest time in your life we often arrive at the memory of our mothers explaining our name to us, this fits with the definition of hearsay. If we put our own mothers on the stand could they prove our names are us? This frustration is tracible mostly to our continued use of the name. Most peoples ego or id(I would have to look this up) block the realization that even in our own mind we really have no identity, Dave, Tom, Casper, Stephen these are conditioned into and by us.

    Hey pop de adam,PLEASE don’t send me anymore lying messages, PLEASE !!!

     
    • Don

      October 27, 2012 at 3:19 AM

      POP,
      The GALL & BALLS you have to to tell me who I am loyal to & have an interest in !!! & don’t add further insult by telling me I am misunderstang. I believe that would be your next approach. FORGET IT !!

       
    • pop de adam

      October 27, 2012 at 7:39 AM

      How have I lied to you? I don’t wish to lie to anyone, If I am misinformed so be it, inform me of it. As to the voluntary nature to any contract, perhaps peoples should not leave private picnic tables out without labeling them as such, and then springing implied contracts upon them

      Funny thing Don, I actually lived for a time in Guerneville Ca, on Monte Rio road, does the Cinnabar Cafe still exist, do you expect the Russian river to flood this year? Cart before the horse?

      But how could you have known any of this?

       
      • Don

        October 27, 2012 at 2:49 PM

        To: pop de adam
        Re: How have I lied to you?

        You, pop, sent ME a message. IF you had started out with,To who it may concern, anything other than: To Don, I would have “seen” your message in an entirely different light. BUT,since you sent it to me, I had to see it as directed to me.Now,with this in mind,here is what you said to me,in pertinent part

        “You only have interest in them to the governments satisfaction that you are loyal to them and share in their looters mentality.”

        You,pop, are telling me that I am loyal to them & I am sharing in their looters mentality.”

        Pop, since YOU are caring & concerned enough to want to correct anything misunderstood,etc.,
        which is a beautiful trait, etc.,very FEW have this concern,(sem does not),and f I am not seeing this as you,pop, see it, tell me in another way what you meant.

        As far as why & what you say to me in what follows,I have no idea. Why do you ask ME if the Cinnabar Cafe still exists? I, to the best of my knowledge,have never lived anywhere close to Guerneville California.

        Per the Russian river,I think it is more likely to evaporate to some degree but I do not really know

        Re:Funny thing Don, I actually lived for a time in Guerneville Ca, on Monte Rio road, does the Cinnabar Cafe still exist, do you expect the Russian river to flood this year? Cart before the horse?

        Re:But how could you have known any of this?

        There IS one thing I know & that is,I hardly know anything, but here is something i believe I know. The fact that you cared enough to tell me that you don’t want to lie to anyone,shows me you are a very sensitive & caring being. I try to be. I was mentally tortured for over 20 years by statezilla I may be abnormally paranoid to some unknown degree but I feel it is a healthy paranoia to some degree too !!

         
      • pop de adam

        October 27, 2012 at 4:05 PM

        Don-

        “You only have interest in them to the governments satisfaction that you are loyal to them and share in their looters mentality”

        Perhaps this is poor sentence constuction. Let me try again.

        You only have an interest in the social security and other associated accounts if the government is satisfied that those utilizing these accounts please the government, if you or I question this obligation to surrender control over these accounts they may exercise a claim to them and disappear the accounts. If we question the properness of this looting of a portion of our paychecks, we are at worst rewarded with a complete and total looting of all of these accounts.

        I might be amiss in pointing out that this is a blog and these are comments not private e-mails, I only addressed the comments to you so, you and I might avoid confusion as to which comment and post I was commenting to, as anyone can read any of another’s comments, I think the comments should be seen in a more general and less personal way.

        I will be attempt to be clearer in the future, I don’t come to this website/blog to spread or entangle myself and others in any ill-will.

        -pop

         
  23. Don

    October 27, 2012 at 3:47 AM

    Colleen.
    Re: Now, we HAVE been “hurt”,

    How well I know & understand that !! I had to be hurt BAD before it “woke me up.” An astute businessman, was the only one who understood what really happened & he said, Don, this should be on the X Files. It really should have been. But, even if it was it would have been thought of as another conspiracy theory with a mixture of horror & warped imagination, etc. I still feel it’s a nightmare & cannot grasp the depravity of it myself. HEY Tell your wonderful husband that I said,he has marvelous taste. Thank you heavenly Father for this wonderful couple, PLEASE Bless them & protect them in the NAME of Yeshua !! SO BE IT !!!!

     
  24. Don

    October 27, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    Cody
    Re:October 27, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    Thank You !!
    There came a “time” when Yeshua said: “Buy a Sword” He did not say: But only use it for saber rattling purposes. “God” is aka a MAN OF WAR. Those who are still alive will witness what this means & I believe within the next 5 years. THAT is just my opinion & we both know what that’s worth.

    Per “weapons” it is also my opinion that it is not the thing that’s wrong, it is the WRONG USE of the thing, that is wrong. I have had my weapon “secured” as they call it. They came into my home, got on their “waw Ke Tawkees & said “We secured his weapon.” This is the kind of security they give us. This is an example of their motto-“To protect & serve.”

    Thank you for believing that “The Christ” Yeshua IS the Master our elder Brother, & the Messiah. He AND his Father ARE our ONLY hope. His Mission will not fail. Hope to see you in the “next age, if not before then, but for sure in the next age.”

     
  25. Don

    October 27, 2012 at 6:10 PM

    John
    Re Your comment on October 27, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    I confess that you are more intelligent than I could even hope to be but in all honesty I perceive that you are not as knowledgeable and have the wisdom of The GOOD Justice as showing below. The “Good “LORD” has compassion on dummies like me who are searching & guides me to truthful messages as showing below. This is a warning & what he says IS TRUE. In a nutshell what he says, IS the PROBLEM.

    “I shall have occasion incidentally to evince, how true it is, that States and Governments were made for man; and, at the same time, how true it is, that his creatures and servants have first deceived, next vilified, and, at last oppressed their master and maker. I have already remarked, that in the practice, and even in the Science of politics, there has been frequently a strong current against the natural order of things; and an inconsiderate or an interested disposition to sacrifice the end to the means. This remark deserves a more particular illustration. Even in almost every nation, which has been denominated free, the State has assumed a supercilious preeminence above the people, who have formed it: Hence the haughty notions of State independence, State Sovereignty and State Supremacy. In despotic Governments, the Government has usurped, in a similar manner, both upon the State and the people: Hence all arbitrary doctrines and pretensions concerning the Supreme, absolute, and uncontrollable, power of Government. In each, man is degraded from the prime rank, which he ought to hold in human affairs: In the latter, the State as well as the man is degraded. Of both degradations, striking instances occur in history, in politics, and in common life.” Wilson, J. in Chisholm v. Georgia

     
  26. Don

    October 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM

    To John,
    I am one of the “Posterity“ We the people” so I have to fight for what my forefathers provided for their posterity. I guess that’s where You & I go our separate ways. We are on “two different trains.”

     
  27. Anon4fun

    October 27, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    Don: {I am one of the “Posterity“ We the people” so I have to fight for what my forefathers provided for their posterity. I guess that’s where You & I go our separate ways. We are on “two different trains.”}

    When, oh when, are you going to learn to love Big Brother, Don? He only wants what’s best for you. At the top of his wish list for your well being is that you outgrow quaint oldthink notions like the collective political power We the People spilled so much blood to acquire and preserve. Therefore, find other interests, like watching TV for example. Above all, DON’T VOTE. Train your mind however is necessary to get yourself to do that. In general, you must allow the relentless assault of negative campaigning courtesy of Big Brother’s anarchist helpers in the media and elsewhere to cause you to mentally DISENGAGE from all aspects of the above-mentioned collective political power of We the People. Why stress yourself? There’s more to life, you know, like liquor store hooch and internet porn.

     
    • Don

      October 27, 2012 at 7:46 PM

      I don’t know for sure if you are being ‘fuh C shus or not,at least in part of your message,but as far as: “There’s more to life, you know, like liquor store hooch and internet porn.”

      I’ll drink to that, wanna have a toast with me?

      U bin doing some heavy lurking, right?

       
    • Anon4fun

      October 27, 2012 at 8:11 PM

      I’m known to be up for a toast (to something other than liquor store hooch and internet porn), though at the moment I’m in a dry phase.

      As for lurking, I tried a post last night that got lost on its way to this page and never showed up. So I went into lurk mode.

       
      • Don

        October 27, 2012 at 8:34 PM

        I am forced to believe their are some “abnormal” things,”at times” happening,on this “Adask law website.” Let me give you just one example.If you send me a “gift” & you don’t hear from me,let’s say for several days AFTER you know the gift should have arrived, & you send me an e-mail asking me if I received the gift, & You receive an e-mail from me which is one FULL page of rebuking you for expecting me to answer you when I am “overloaded” & YET, in my full page response to you, I never answered your question, isn’t this ODD?? This happened to me just recently, & the only reason I could come up with, is, somebody has figured out a way to delete what I send & ADD his/her/their message as tho it came from me & has created a real problem here. BUT, this is not the only example I can give as to why I believe “at times” something very suspicious is going on.

        As far as my “toast” question, I WAS being fuh C shus.

         
    • Don

      October 27, 2012 at 8:13 PM

      Anon4fun When,oh when,are you going to learn that the 39 men who put their “John Henry’s” on a written document that begins with: We the people, put their John Henry’s on that document KNOWING they were signing a document that WAS a curse on them,their own children,their grandchildren,on down the line Huh? It seems most people can see the truth of this. It is beyond me why YOU cannot & that’s an understatement.

      Anon4fun When,oh when,are you going to learn that these 39 men WERE MASOCHISTS OF THE WORST SORT & TO THE HIGEST DEGREE?!?! I am about to toss in the towel, but before I do, I am going to hold on to the towel for a while because what I have written above is SAD, then again the reason it is sad to me IS because I AM A SAD-IST. I may need to towel to dry my own tears.

       
    • Anon4fun

      October 27, 2012 at 8:24 PM

      The founders did an excellent job, given the circumstances and what they knew in the late 18th century.

      What specifically could they have done better to prove themselves not masochists?

       
      • Don

        October 27, 2012 at 8:38 PM

        What specifically could they have done better to prove themselves not masochists?

        Are you serious?

         
      • Don

        October 27, 2012 at 9:40 PM

        What specifically could they have done better to prove themselves not masochists?

        “Submitting it to the States of/in the Union a little faster than they did.”

         
      • Don

        October 27, 2012 at 10:03 PM

        Excuse me Anon4fun, I should have said: “Submitting” it, the “cursed document,” to the States of/in the Union for their “approval” a little faster than they did.” If they had just done it a few hours earlier I would be inclined to think they were men of honor.

        Seriously, This kind of HOGWASH about the “forefathers” being “masochists” is what was being crammed down my throat. Remember, Mary the Mother of Yeshua, is considered a “whore & Yeshua is considered a bastard born out of wedlock through Fornication by some of the so called “jews.” I think it is written in the Talmud but I don’t remember for sure.

         
    • Don

      October 27, 2012 at 9:36 PM

      @quaint oldthink notions aka pure frontier backwoods gibberish.

       
      • Don

        October 28, 2012 at 11:56 AM

        To Who it may concern:

        It appears that almost most of all “commentators” on this site are up on everything that has happened & know what is going to happen next except me & maybe 3 more. I have been trying to say, before, & many times that the “war amendments” of the “U.S. CONstitution” via the “power clauses therein” define what the “Bill of Rights” in the “1787 “We the people” Constitution mean. It seems “close” to 100% of all commentators disagree. What follows should be “strong if not “solid” evidence to the “disagreers” that I just might be right.

        From DemocracyNow.org

        The Academy Award-nominated filmmaker Josh Fox was handcuffed and arrested Wednesday as he attempted to film a Congressional hearing on the controversial natural gas drilling technique, known as fracking, which the Environmental Protection Agency recently reported caused water contamination in Pavillion, Wyoming.

        We wanted to report on what happened [at the hearing]. I was not interested in disrupting. It was not a protest action,” says Fox.

        “I was simply trying to do my job as a journalist and go in there and show to the American people what was transpiring in that hearing, so that down the line as we know there will be a lot of challenges mounted to that [Pavillion, Wyoming] EPA report, and frankly to the people in Pavillion who have been sticking up for themselves and demanding an investigation into the groundwater contamination to make sure that people could view that in a larger forum than usually happens.” (End)

        He, Josh Fox, was arrested because he did not have the “proper credentials” to exercise his 1st amendment right.So,the “1st Amendment” now means, & via “appropriate legislation” what “CONgress says it means, via “appropriate legislation.” I have asked many times, WHY are two(2)power clauses necessary but no one has responded. We have the “Necessary & Proper”
        & we have the “Appropriate Legislation” Power clause, because what was necessary & proper became “inappropriate” for WHAT ??? It should not be hard to figure out..

        The link to this video is: http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/20812.html

         
  28. Don

    October 28, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    P.S.
    I also say it is NOT “just coincidence” that Josh Fox had the handcuffs put on him by a “Black man” This statement will only be accepted by those who are aware of what the 14th amendment really meant, via “appropriate legislation” of course. Once again, I submit the following:

    “I shall have occasion incidentally to evince, how true it is, that States and Governments were made for man; and, at the same time, how true it is, that his creatures and servants have first deceived, next vilified, and, at last oppressed their master and maker. (Justice Wilson)

     
    • John

      October 28, 2012 at 4:52 PM

      The master and makers of government is not all man. It’s masters and makers were merely a select group of men who only those select group of men were the masters and makers of government. All the private men had nothing to do with that creation. All the private men were merely given the choice to freely volunteer and participate in that foreign corporate created government that only a select group of men created for themselves. All the private men have since all volunteered to participate because of ignorance thinking they were a party to it. If a private man is not a party to the organic constitution where as a private man you have no rights to complain for any breach to that constitution, then you cannot possibly have been one of its creators of it! Governments were instituted among a select group of men. Not ALL men. The We the People only pertains to the actual signers of it. It does not pertain to YOU a private man.

      There are no secret contracts. There are no contracts between man and fiction. That is why you must have a game piece to play the game with. The game piece is not YOU. The game piece is a fiction. A fictitious “person”. AKA the artificial legal person. Does this describe YOU? If not, then YOU never signed any contract binding YOU. You signed a STATE registered Name FOR that entity Name binding only that entity name which is not you! The STATE created that entity name on their forms. The State merely obtained basic information from an informant that the State took its information from to create its fictitious name. The State then registered their newly created name and sends you a certificate of that name for you the man to use that name as your game piece to play the game of commerce within the State’s system of foreign corporate government.

      Even the Social Security application form makes this clear! The very form itself flat out states that a Birth Certificate cannot be used for IDENTIFICATION! The SS admin offices even have signs posted telling you that!

      Yet at the same time they are telling YOU that YOU cannot use that BC for YOUR Identification, you must still provide them with a copy of that BC. Then then tell you you must sign THAT NAME on that BC. They are telling you that you are not signing YOUR name, but the STATE’S registered Name. They told you that BC can NOT be identification. They know that ain’t YOU! They are authorizing YOU the man to USE their STATE registered Name and authorizing you the man to sign FOR their STATE registered name as an authorized USER AND SIGNER FOR THEIR NAME!

      YOU didn’t sign YOUR name. YOU didn’t sign YOU are a US citizen. You signed THEIR Name FOR their Name signing THEIR entity Name is the US citizen! It is THEIR own created entity “person”, “individual” that they created is their US citizen. Not YOU the man. Man cannot possibly be a citizen of a fictional creation! And to be such a thing requires abandoning your creator as your God/King/Government because your creator says you can NOT serve two masters! To be a citizen of anything other than your creator is to abandon your creator to accept a false God/King/Government as your new master!

       
      • Don

        October 28, 2012 at 5:18 PM

        John,
        You needed to direct you correction opinion to Justicw Wilson, not me. The World belongs to the YHWH Family. The Government of The United States of America was established for two purposes. One to promote the Christian Religion, NOT any other, e.g. Muslim. The 2nd reason was to preserve & have “Ethnic Purity” of a RACE of People. A race is aka a Nation. A “Negro” proved this to me & said I sould be ashamed of myself. I was because He was right. What you see today is everything BUT what was meant to be. WHY? BECAUSE of SIN, What is SIN? Sin is the transgression of the LAWS of YHWH. George Washington, who sem says was the 8th President of the U.S. was asked: Will you be our KING? His response was: We already have a King & that King is Jesus Christ. There is nothing wrong with the Constitution of 1787. The “Nation” has SINNED! That’s the PROBLEM !! We are now in the process of reaping the results of SIN. Just hold on because we are in for a terrifying roller coaster ride.

         
      • Don

        October 28, 2012 at 6:09 PM

        @Birth Certificate cannot be used for IDENTIFICATION
        HORSE MANURE !! The SS card used to say Not for Identification purposes TOO !! Ain’t that way no mo bro.

         
      • John

        October 28, 2012 at 6:36 PM

        WE CANNOT ACCEPT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE, HOSPITAL SOUVENIR BIRTH CERTIFICATE, SOCIAL SECURITY CARD STUB OR A SOCIAL SECURITY RECORD as evidence of identity.

        That is RIGHT ON THE SS-5 form which is the application to obtain a SSN

        Then on that same form right below the above quote it says:

        Evidence of U.S. Citizenship
        In general, you must provide your U.S. birth certificate or U.S. Passport. Other documents you may provide are a Consular Report of Birth, Certificate of Citizenship, or Certificate of Naturalization.

        HELLO!!!!

        IF they tell YOU that THEY CANNOT ACCEPT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE AS EVIDENCE OF IDENTIFICATION…

        And THEN right after that they say that EVIDENCE OF U.S. Citizenship you MUST PROVIDE YOUR U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE, that they just said directly above this line that they cannot accept a birth certificate as identification…..then WHO/WHAT does the Birth Certificate make the U.S. Citizen????

        It can’t be YOU because they can NOT accept the BC as identification, meaning THAT AIN’T YOU, but they CAN accept the BC as identification of a U.S. Citizen that AIN’T YOU!

        You say HORSE MANURE? I say, SHOW ME THE LEGISLATION that states a BC can be used for personal identification!

        If there ain’t no legislation giving them authority to use it for personal identification, then there is NO AUTHORITY for ANYONE to use that NAME for personal identification!

        WHERE does the NAME originate from? The BIRTH CERTIFICATE! Well if the BC can NOT be accepted and can NOT be used for personal identification, then that NAME can NEVER be used for personal identification because that NAME originates from the very document that can NOT be accepted and can NOT be used for personal identification!

        So riddle me this one Batman, HOW does one take a UNIDENTIFYING DOCUMENT, use that to submit to someone where they use that very unidentifying document to create a new document such as a drivers license or passport that is now somehow magically a identification document?

        Answer. IT DOESN’T! It only identifies a FICTITIOUS ENTITY NAME, which is the Name of an entity created from a Birth Certificate document the name was created by!

        But if you can provide me with ANY legislation that allows a BC to be used for personal identification then I would love to see it! I can’t find any such legislation. And if there ain’t no legislation then there ain’t no authority to use that name for such purpose!

        So next you have any court that IS using the NAME for anything, then you might storm into the court and scream out….WTF ARE YOU USING THAT NAME FOR??????

         
      • Don

        October 28, 2012 at 8:26 PM

        John, Howdy Duedee

        You say To be a citizen of anything other than your creator is to abandon your creator to accept a false God/King/Government as your new master!

        Oh, Is that Right?

        Acts 22:27

        The commander went to Paul and asked, “Tell me, are you
        a Roman citizen?” “Yes, I am,” he answered. …

        Acts 22:29

        Those who were about to question him withdrew immediately. The commander himself
        was alarmed when he realized that he had put Paul, a Roman citizen, in chains. …

        Want some more ?

         
      • John

        October 28, 2012 at 8:36 PM

        1 Samuel 8:6 – 9

        6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they
        said, Give us a King to judge us: and Samuel prayed
        unto the Lord.
        7 And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hear the voice
        of the people in all that they shall say unto thee: for
        they have not cast thee away, but they have cast me
        away, that I should not reign over them.
        8 As they have ever done since I brought them out
        of Egypt even unto this day, (and have forsaken me,
        and served other gods) even so do they unto thee.
        9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit,
        yet testify unto them, and show them the manner
        of the king that shall reign over them.

         
  29. Don

    October 28, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Howdy, James Barnes
    John, a commentator on this thread,says in pertinent part: (The following is a cut & paste.)

    “Do NOT ever use affidavits. Affidavits are FICTION. Even using a Notary is for FICTIONS. ANYTHING that is WITHIN their artificial realm you should never use. Never use their laws as any means for YOUR defense.”

     
    • Don

      October 28, 2012 at 8:28 PM

      I agree with the “Notary aspect.”

       
  30. Don

    October 28, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    James Barnes
    October 28, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    Thanks James, I mentioned to you a long time ago that I hope you are not fighting/standing alone.
    I have no friends. The few people I know are scared out of their britches to even sign any of my “affidavits” as a witness much less go with me to court. I did have witnesses once upon a time but apparently they received “threats” for signing what they did. Then when they saw what happened to me, well you might as well say, they avoided me like the plague. I’m serious. But I kept on keeping on. I think “they” the enemy,acknowledged” FINALLY that I was not in their venue by a very “strange” event that happened, but by then I was impoverished, in very bad heath, & I just didn’t care anymore to try & recoup anything. It’s all an empty bag anyway. I do have my dog whom I dearly love & I have the resurrection to look forward to. Best of all, I have peace of mind, that vanishes temporarily when I read some the “knowitalls” comments. Ivory tower instructors. I am glad to say once again, that it’s heartwarming to see you are “self sustaining” e.g. your farm,etc.

     
    • colleen

      October 28, 2012 at 5:16 PM

      Dear Dear Don,
      What do you mean you don’t have friends! Of course you DO! YOU just have friends you
      haven’t meant yet. Count ME in! One of the things I’ve learned along the way IS relationships are number one of importance cause it helps find out who you are! I’ve been busy listening to Gorden Hall and Drake lately,(you know,to get a varied rounded view of it all AND I noticed you on here and write ALOT,
      so I haven’t been reading this much, BUT I love how you write with your thought provoking comments and caring of wanting to know the truth WITH an open mind. You seem to know where people ARE in their evolving. And TO me, YOU seem pretty evolved and humble and I’d love your email address to know who you are cause I think YOU (my hopefully new friend) ARE worth knowing!

      p.s. after all, isn’t all this 100 % spiritual?
      Colleen

       
      • Don

        October 28, 2012 at 5:44 PM

        colleen
        October 28, 2012 at 5:16 PM

        Wow !! am at a loss for words, have given my E-mail out several times before. It’s donaldbailey02@comcast.net

        @ after all, isn’t all this 100 % spiritual?

        Absolutely !! We do have a wonderful.”God”. Actually, I feel honored to have suffered what I have. It kinda put me to some degree at least, in the same “playing field” as Yeshua, the Apostle Peter,Paul, & many others. My studies revealed that only one of the Apostles escaped dying a horrible death. You know Peter was cruicifed upside down, don’t you? Make my day, NO !!! Make my Eternity !! That’s what I tellum YES YES YES.
        Bless your heart. Wow!! what a blessing! What can I say??
        I should have said, I do not have any “People friends.” Now, I might just have to eat my words. That’s just fine & dandy, I look forward to it.

         
      • deb

        November 1, 2012 at 1:01 AM

        I concur

         
  31. Anon4fun

    October 28, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    John:

    The info I posted about the W-2 and W-4 is easy to find. Wikipedia, for example, will confirm my descriptions:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_tax_forms

    I don’t have a handy IRS source for the Information Return Processing program at the moment. It is described at the following link which can get you started on some research:

    http://www.irszoom.com/TDIpage.htm

    If you need more official definitions, I can find it as time permits.

    {Third Party = Of or relating to a person or group BESIDES the two primarily involved in a situation.}

    Exactly. The IRS and the taxpayer are two primary parties. Sometimes they are the only parties. Other times, an employer is the third party.

    {Information Return Processing is NOT a TYPE OF TAX. But Estate and Gift tax IS a TYPE OF TAX.}

    Correct, but besides the point. Your argument (which you can scroll up and read if you forgot it) was that the W-2 and W-4 are for Estate and Gift Tax due to their being in Tax Class 5. The problem with this theory is that Tax Class 5 also has an Information Return Processing category in which the W-2 and W-4 fit perfectly well as the INCOME reporting forms which the IRS claims them to be.

     
    • John

      October 29, 2012 at 8:59 PM

      Anon, you are missing the point. A FORM is NOT a TYPE OF TAX. In the IRS manual under its DEFINITIONS FOR TYPE OF TAX it states:

      (b) The third digit is the tax class. This identifies the type of tax each transaction involves.

      This identifies the TYPE OF TAX….NOT the TYPE OF FORM!

      So HOW is a “Information Return Processing” a TYPE OF TAX?

      Not a type of FORM, but a type of TAX?

      What type of TAX is a IRP?

      Estate and Gift Tax IS a TYPE OF TAX, not a type of FORM!

      There is a big difference between type of FORM vs type of TAX!

      We are not looking at the definition of the type of FORM here, but the type of TAX being defined!

      A CLASS 5 TAX is DEFINED as ESTATE AND GIFT TAX!

       
    • John

      October 29, 2012 at 9:24 PM

      For definition of TYPE OF TAX CLASS 2 = Individual Income Tax, Fiduciary Income Tax, Partnership return…….Now, based on your opinion would it not be logical that “Information Return Processing” should be in this category to conform with INCOME TAX since a CLASS 2 TYPE OF TAX is for INCOME TAX and the 1040 FORM is also under a CLASS 2 TYPE OF TAX?

       
    • John

      October 29, 2012 at 9:26 PM

      Code Definition 9 Mixed – Segregation by tax class not required.

      Would it not be more logical for Information Return Processing to be under this code definition IF all those FORMS for reporting INCOME is also used as a GENERAL type of form for reporting ALL TYPES OF TAXES?

       
  32. Anon4fun

    October 28, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    “The We the People only pertains to the actual signers of it.”

    You’re joking, right?

    The 39 signers were at the Constitutional Convention in the capacity of State delegates, meaning they represented their respective States. The signers were not there in a personal capacity.

     
    • John

      October 28, 2012 at 5:33 PM

      What did any state delegates have to with ME? How am “I” associated with or obligated to abide to anything some so called delegates decide? A group of dudes from a group of territories decide to get together and created themselves a federal corporation and then subsidiary foreign State corporations that they will enjoin as part of creating a UNION together, and their actions of what they did for themselves and their own benefits are suppose to somehow be binding on ME?

      Some group of dudes took it upon themselves and appoint themselves as God granting themselves authority and power over all future men yet to even be born into this world where free born men are now all magically bound to some piece of paper created over 225 years ago? Are YOU serious?

      Show me where I since my birth ever went down to sign up under their fictitious foreign corporate creation where I ever granted that foreign corporate organization anything over me?

       
      • Don

        October 28, 2012 at 5:59 PM

        @A group of dudes & Some group of dudes

        I know you are not duty bound to say who specifically these “dudes” are, but I wish you would, pretty please ??

         
      • John

        October 28, 2012 at 6:12 PM

        a group of dudes, i.e. those who are actual members of that corporation. A private man is not a member to it. A private man has no standing to sue for any breach to that corporate constitution.

        Padelford, Fay & Co. v. Mayor and Aldermen of City of Savannah, 1854
        “*55 But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in Court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution, it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it. The States are the parties to it. And they may complain.”

        If YOU, a “private person” are NOT a party to IT, then HOW did YOU, a PRIVATE PERSON have ANYTHING to do with ITS creation?

        If you declared as a PRIVATE PERSON who is NOT a party to IT, then HOW was government created by all the “private men”? All the PRIVATE MEN who are NOT a party to IT, are NOT the creators of government. YOU as a “private person:” who is not a party to it can NOT be one of the “We the People” that IT is talking about if YOU are not a party to IT!

        Only the parties to IT can be the We the People.

         
      • PatriotOne

        October 29, 2012 at 4:49 PM

        GOVERNMENT: a gang of men and women wearing costumes with badges and guns holding words on paper and pointing those words on paper and guns at all other people on earth demanding compliance or arrest in order to provide protection…

        As Al Capone said “pay me and I won’t allow anyone else to kill you, don’t pay me and I’ll have someone kill you”.

        Me: what facts do you rely upon that prove the CODE applies to Me?
        Prosecutor: CODE section 1234
        Me: thank you, but I require a responsive answer. what facts do you rely upon that prove the CODE applies to Me?
        Prosecutor: CODE section 1234
        Me: OBJECTION – MOVE TO STRIKE – NON RESPONSIVE. what facts do you rely upon that prove the CODE applies to Me?
        Prosecutor: CODE section 1234

        Man beats IRS in court? The jury found the Man not guilty for failing to pay a tax BUT found him guilty for failing to file a tax form? “Mike from Idaho: Tax evasion prosecution part deux, Lori Hendrickson continues her attack with 28 witnesses who have no evidence the code is applicable and Mike believed he was required to pay taxes, complaints to the bar about malicious lawyers like Lori who knowingly attack people without any facts.” http://marcstevens.net/radioarchive/nsp20121020.html

         
    • Don

      October 28, 2012 at 5:51 PM

      Re:“The We the People only pertains to the actual signers of it.”

      Huh? Who said this? I missed something,as usual.

       
      • John

        October 28, 2012 at 6:18 PM

        Preamble
        We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
        We the People of the United States,
        The People of What? The United States. What IS the United States? It is a foreign corporation within a 10 square mile outside the jurisdiction of the territory that makes up the rest of the land throughout America.

        Next it says….. in Order to form a more perfect Union,
        Form a Union between WHO? The delegates from the 13 colonies. They wanted to get together and form their own Union. The United States, Inc., and by creating a corporate entity known as the STATE OF XXXX, that was created within the boundaries of their colonies, together as separate sub-corporate States.

        Next it says…. establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,

        Establish, insure, provide, promote and secure…for OURSELVES… WHO is ourselves? Why that can only be the delegates that got together to form themselves a more perfect Union between themselves and they are the only ones that ever signed onto the contract known as the Constitution for the United States, Inc. A foreign corporate entity formed and created within a ten square mile, known today as the District of Columbia. A ten square mile foreign territory of land this is outside the boundaries of America.

        Next it says… do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

        WHO ordained and established that Constitution? THEY did. The delegates. They got together and decided to form a more perfect Union for themselves, between themselves, for THEIR justice, tranquility, common defense, general welfare, securing THEIR blessings of Liberty to THEMSELVES and THEIR Posterity. The UNITED States of America is the 50 corporate STATES they created as foreign corporate entities which are all outside the boundaries of the territory not owned by the corporate government, known as the United States, Inc. For a corporate STATE to become a STATE of THEIR Union, it must be admitted into THEIR Union by Congress. The individual 50 corporate STATES did not become STATES on their own by their own doing, by the People within the boundaries of that territory the corporate STATE was created and formed by. They were created and formed by the members of the STATE that created it and admitted to the foreign entity known as the, United States, Inc., approved by the Congress of that foreign entity to join THEIR Union. The 50 corporate STATES are all foreign territory restricted to federal land only. This you can discover by reading all the organic Laws.

        The organic Laws are:

        ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION–1777
        THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE–1776
        THE ORDINANCE OF 1787—THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIAL GOVERNMENT
        CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA–1787

        These organic Laws have never been repealed and still remain valid and are still in effect today. You can find the evidence of this by going to the government printing office and ordering their book published for Title 1 thru Title 5 of the U.S. Code. These Laws are still published as Law by the government.

        For more information on this subject visit Ed Rivera’s website at http://www.edrivera.com

        In the words of the late George Carlin….it’s a private club, folks….and YOU AIN’T IN IT!

         
    • Don

      October 29, 2012 at 11:19 PM

      Anon4fun
      October 28, 2012 at 5:16 PM

      What you said is TRUE.

       
  33. Anon4fun

    October 28, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    John:

    {What did any state delegates have to with ME?}

    Don’t you live in a State? If so, your State delegates represented you as a citizen of that State. More accurately, your State’s delegates were agents of the party known as “the people” of your State.

    {Some group of dudes took it upon themselves and appoint themselves as God granting themselves authority and power over all future men yet to even be born into this world where free born men are now all magically bound to some piece of paper created over 225 years ago?}

    What? This is nonsense has nothing to do with anything. Try studying the subject before wasting any more space on Big Al’s awesome blog.

    {Show me where I since my birth ever went down to sign up under their fictitious foreign corporate creation where I ever granted that foreign corporate organization anything over me?}

    The State of which you are a citizen (if this applies) did that for you.

    Don:

    {Huh? Who said this? I missed something, as usual.}

    The same poster who wants you to believe W-2 and W-4 forms are for Estate and Gift Tax.

     
    • John

      October 28, 2012 at 6:42 PM

      No, I do NOT live in any FOREIGN CORPORATE STATE OF XXXXX. How can a man live IN a fictitious entity created by a piece of paper?

      What does a Foreign created corporation created by foreign agents have to do with ME?

      WHERE did “I” ever agree to accept anyone else to act for ME on my behalf for anything?

      Are you saying just because a group of people that decided THEY want to create something to BIND themselves to as a society by creating THEMSELVES a “public politic” that that gave them authority over ME to bind ME to whatever they decide they want? Isn’t that just mob rule and force at the end of a gun?

      Where did “I” ever sign up to agree to any of that? Show me the contract were I signed up to agree to such a thing?

      I live ON this land that is commonly called by America. I have nothing to do with any corporation created call a STATE OF XXXXX.

       
      • PatriotOne

        October 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM

        I agree with John.
        Who the hell to the men of today think they are that they can force me to comply with words on paper that were written 1-5-10-100-200 years ago?
        My neighbor cannot point a gun at me and demand 1%-5%-100% of my payheck, sooooo how can some stranger government employee demand I pay ALICE IN WONDERLAND or USA 1%-100%?
        Because the CODE “says so”?
        Q: What facts does the prosecutor rely upon that prove the CODE applies to Me?
        A: ZERO FACTS are relied upon, ZERO EVIDENCE, ZERO WITNESSES with first hand knowledge.
        THis leaves the GUN to decide if or not the CODE applies.

        I cannot kindly ask the JUDGE to arrest the prosecutor for lying and wasting my time, if the JUDGE did so all Men would be set free.
        Do I say; [well JUDGE, I asked you nicely to make the prosecutor to leave Me alone and I asked you to leave Me alone, but you refuse to leave Me alone, My only remedy is to eliminate you and the prosecutor, say your prayers POW POW]

        If a criminal kicked in My door I would have every Right to shoot, why do I not have that Right in a COURT?

        Lysander Spooner lives…

         
      • John

        October 29, 2012 at 8:07 PM

        What if one was to first ask the State or Fed Prosecutor, WHO ARE YOU? So YOU are here representing the STATE or UNITED STATES? OK, and have YOU Mr. Prosecutor been certified by the US Bankruptcy court as a US trustee? No?, Well Mr Judgey pooh, as YOU KNOW, the United States and all the 50 States are all operating under bankruptcy, and ONLY a US bankruptcy TRUSTEE can be speaking on behalf of the STATE/UNITED STATES, and this prosecutor is NOT a US bankruptcy trustee, they should not even be here speaking on behalf of the STATE/UNITED STATES! So it appears the prosecutor here is committing a fraud upon this court impersonating a US BK trustee! What are YOU Judgey pooh going to do about that? Or is it your intent to become an accessory to this?

         
    • Don

      October 28, 2012 at 10:57 PM

      @ Don’t you live in a State?

      Yes, The State of Confusion.

       
      • John

        October 28, 2012 at 11:37 PM

        state of reality. Most live in the State of illusion.

         
  34. Anon4fun

    October 28, 2012 at 6:34 PM

    John:

    {Establish, insure, provide, promote and secure…for OURSELVES… WHO is ourselves?}

    “We the People of the United States,” obviously.

     
    • John

      October 28, 2012 at 6:50 PM

      And what IS the UNITED STATES? A FOREIGN CORPORATION! We the People are only the members of that corporation known as UNITED STATES! We the PRIVATE people are NOT in the United States. We are ON a land mass known by America that some group of people also lived on and created THEMSELVES a corporation called UNITED STATES where those members of that corp AKA We the People of the United States, Inc. created themselves their own government. YOU as a “private person” and NOT A PARTY TO IT are nothing but merely a VOLUNTEER who freely VOLUNTEERED TO PARTICIPATE in THEIR Foreign corporation called by governments! By your FREE WILL CONSENT to volunteer as a participant, NOT A MEMBER, but ONLY a voluntary participant, YOU give your CONSENT to be subject to all their PRIVATE FOREIGN CORPORATE LAWS. You also also abandon your creator by doing that! So says your creator in 1 Samuel of the scriptures!

       
      • Don

        October 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM

        John,
        You say” And what IS the UNITED STATES?

        There are at least 3 “United States” in what some call “Stateside” ie,eg, from the Atlantic to the Pacific. You,John,HAVE defined ONE of the 3 “United States” correctly. Once again, Bullseye! NOW, define the, at least, TWO (2) OTHER “United States.”

         
      • Don

        October 30, 2012 at 4:59 PM

        John
        October 29, 2012 at 8:07 PM
        I BET you HAVE NEVER uttered a word like you say in your comment in ANY COURT. Take me up on my bet. TIE A BIB AROUND MY NECK & FEED ME ANOTHER LIE !!! Excuse me, that is a little harsh, untruth is more gentle. Yes, Colleen, my abnormal sensitive emotions do get the best of me & lately, for the last month, at least.

         
      • John

        October 30, 2012 at 5:17 PM

        I guess you haven’t paid much attention because if you had you will know I said I never go into their foreign courts. WHY would one even enter into their temple of Just-Us if one is not a member of that private foreign corporate club? The only time I began winning is when I woke up and stopped going into them. I send the foreign agents a notice of mistake and that’s that.

         
      • Adask

        October 30, 2012 at 8:47 PM

        Can you post a copy of the text of the “notice of mistake” that you’ve sent?

         
      • John

        October 30, 2012 at 9:07 PM

        This was the last one I sent on a credit card debt. Note, this was sent exactly as is. It was not signed at all. Just sent as is along with the summons being returned.

        I also decided to try something just a little different on this one and Stamped every page of the summons. Normally I never do anything with their papers other than return it. This time I stamped this text on every page:

        REFUSED FOR CAUSE
        LACK OF VERIFIED COMPLAINT
        OMB VIOLATION
        LACK OF JUDICIAL STANDING
        11th AMENDMENT VIOLATION
        14th AMENDMENT VIOLATION
        CESTI QUE VIE VIOLATION

        The above is BIG BOLD RED INK.

        I sent this Notice of Mistake with it:

        NOTICE OF MISTAKE

        PRIVATE COMMUNICATION NOT FOR PUBLIC RECORD

        Tom,

        The enclosed papers were placed on a desk I use at my place of employment and received by mistake. A man appeared and stated he was from the Sheriff’s Office which would appear to be one of your foreign agents and who was clearly out of his jurisdiction well outside the United States. Your papers appear to be for someone else who resides within your military venue/federal zone that I am not a resident of. Your foreign agent never asked me who I was or if I had any relation to the entity named on those papers. He just placed them on the desk I was using and left. They are being returned to you and refused for cause as these papers appear to be meant for someone else and who resides within some military venue/federal zone. I am not a trustee, fiduciary or surety for the named entity defendant.

        While I am not qualified in matters pertaining to your foreign affairs, It appears the Plaintiff and its attorney may be attempting to fraud your court by attempting to bring a claim against Public Debt of the United States that appears to be in violation of your constitutional 11th and 14th amendment mandates, where it appears your court is barred from having any judicial power to hear any case in Law or Equity and where your 14th amendment bars anyone from questioning the Public Debt obligations of the United States.

        The attorney for the Plaintiff having been schooled in your laws and deemed a professional by having been admitted to practice your laws knows or should know about the State of Emergency (bankruptcy) declared by the United States and its subsidiary State of Illinois which it is operating under. It appears the attorney may be conspiring with his client to bring false claims and may be attempting to evade taxes and commit tax fraud for their own personal enrichment by attempting to create a controversy that does not exist and force intercourse of raping the fruits of a peaceful inhabitant who is a private women and foreign to your United States and State of Illinois corporations, and who is one of the real creditors for the United States. As the real creditor in which the United States and its subsidiary, State of Illinois, depends and relies on to obtain their credit from, I believe there may be members within your jural society that would take exception to any belligerent actions taken against one of its foreign creditors.

        As one of the real creditors for your foreign host corporate United States and State of Illinois, and whereby having pledged my entire fortune in usufruct for the benefit of all and your foreign host Corporate United States and State of Illinois, whereas these foreign host corporate entities, have received, accepted, used and benefited from the pledging of my entire fortune, whereas these entities as usufructary, under their occupancy are responsible and liable for properly administrating the usufruct to ensure the security and protection of the living men and women who are peaceful inhabitants and spoliated owners of the usufruct, having full disposal rights, and who are not belligerents to the United States and its subsidiary corporate States.

        As an entrusted employee of the State of Illinois acting as head Clerk of Court/Banker/Trustee, I trust you will take the proper steps by adhering to your fiduciary duties as a trustee and to your oath to ensure the proper actions are taken to prevent the Plaintiff from using your court to commit conspiratorial and/or belligerent type actions.

        Should you allow your court to continue to be used for taking any action against me, a private woman, who does not reside within your foreign corporate jurisdiction and who is not a trustee, fiduciary or surety for the named defendant (property of the STATE OF ILLINOIS), it would then appear you and any presiding Judge are acting as being biased in this matter whereby I believe you should immediately recuse yourselves.

        Should you or your court refuse to take proper action to correct the mistake in this matter, I will accept that as your formal request that I invoke the Internal Revenue Criminal Investigation Division, Secret Service, Judge Advocate General, Provost Marshal, Homeland Security, United States Attorney General, Post Master General and the Judiciary Committee in Washington DC to investigate for OMB violation, tax evasion, tax fraud, securities fraud, fraud, larceny by trick, sedition, treason, acts of terrorism, mail fraud, warring against their constitution and numerous felony violations under your United States Code.

        I will not now accept the person of man, neither will I give titles to man. JOB 32:21
        I DO NOT CONSENT! I DO NOT CONSENT TO BE TRUSTEE, FUDICIARY OR SURETY! I DO NOT CONSENT!

        By: Genesis 27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

        ====================================

        I also sent this Notice to the attorney who filed the suit:

        This is redacted of personal info, but this is the text of it

        NOTICE OF MISTAKE AND DEBT SETTLEMENT ACCEPTANCE

        Date: twenty-first day of August in the year of our Lord two thousand twelve

        From: Mary-Jane
        c/o Nation: Illinois
        Post road: Your Drive – one-two three-four
        city: Yourtown
        non-resident, without the United States

        To: Butt Head Attorney
        The Butthead Law Firm
        12345 W. Attorn Rd Suite 555
        Chicago, IL 60606

        In Re: SCUMBAG DEBT COLLECTOR SERVICES, LLC voluntary payment of debt

        Dear Butt:

        The enclosed copy of a summons was placed on a desk at my place of employment by mistake and is refused for cause.

        Let me say thank you on behalf of MARY SMITH. I’m sure that your client’s purchase and extinguishing of the debt referred to in your complaint, with no obligation on your client’s part to do so, will be most appreciated and well received. As you know, Equity will not aid a volunteer. and a volunteer, stranger, or intermeddler is “one who thrusts himself into a situation on his own initiative, and not one who becomes a party to a transaction upon the urgent petition of a person who is vitally interested, and whose rights would be sacrificed did he not respond to the importunate appeal”. Laffranchini,39 Nev. 48, 153P. At 252. Parties may be considered volunteers if, in making a payment, they have no interest of their own to protect, they act without being requested to do so by the person liable on the original obligation. Henningsen v. United States Fidelity Guar. Co. 208 U.S. 404, 411 (1908); Smith v. State Sav. & Loan Ass’n, 175 Cal. App. 3D 1092, 1098, 223 Cal. Rptr.298, 301 (1986); Norfolk & Dedham Fire Ins. Co. v. Aetna Casuality & Surety Co., 132 Vt. 341, 318 A.2d 659, 661 (1974)).

        It is rare to find someone that will voluntarily settle someone else’s obligation without even being asked to do so. I will certainly sing your praises to all around me as you clearly are living the idea of loving your neighbor as yourself.

        You or your client might consider letting the holder to the title of JANE SMITH know of your blessed actions in this matter. Should you require anything of me, please let me know. Blessings to you.

        Should you or your client refuse to take proper action to correct the mistake in this matter, I will accept that as your formal request that I invoke the Internal Revenue Criminal Investigation Division, Secret Service, Judge Advocate General, Provost Marshal, Homeland Security, United States Attorney General, Post Master General and the Judiciary Committee in Washington DC to investigate for tax evasion, tax fraud, securities fraud, fraud, larceny by trick, sedition, treason, acts of terrorism, mail fraud, warring against their constitution and numerous felony violations under your United States Code.

        In peace,

        By: ____________________________
        A woman called by Mary-Jane

        free inhabitant, the geographic region commonly known as the nation Illinois
        ======================

         
    • Don

      November 1, 2012 at 1:03 AM

      @We the People of the United States,” obviously.

      John’s mind is made up !! He will not be confused with the facts. & that’s a FACT.

       
  35. Anon4fun

    October 28, 2012 at 6:54 PM

    John: {Are you saying just because a group of people that decided THEY want to create something to BIND themselves to as a society by creating THEMSELVES a “public politic” that that gave them authority over ME to bind ME to whatever they decide they want?}

    If you are on their, i.e. the people of your State’s, land, they certainly do have that authority. Or are you a property rights denier?

     
    • John

      October 28, 2012 at 7:08 PM

      I am not on THEIR land. The land I am on is WITHOUT the jurisdiction of THEIR Foreign Corporate State land. The land I am on to best of my knowledge has not been ceded to the United States, Inc. THEIR Foreign State land is limited only to federal corporate land, i.e. military bases, government buildings, offices, etc. THEIR Foreign State land has nothing to do any private free nation state land. Read the organic laws of the United States. All federal, State, County, City LAND is limited to federal land and all land not owned or ceded to the United States, Inc., is WITHOUT the United States, Inc., not WITHIN the United States, Inc.

       
      • Don

        October 30, 2012 at 9:51 PM

        14th AMENDMENT VIOLATION
        How? in what way? One way is more than enough, so just tell me one>

         
      • John

        October 30, 2012 at 10:02 PM

        What are you responding to? Are you asking about 14th amendment violation pertaining to the stamp on the returned summons?

        If that is what you are responding and asking about, did the clerk, judge, attorney all not take an oath to uphold and defend THEIR United States Constitution?

        Isn’t all debt debt obligations of the United States? And isn’t all that mortgage and credit card debt part of the public debt? And doesn’t THEIR 14th amendment constitutional MANDATE that THEY took an oath to clearly state the “PUBLIC DEBT SHALL NOT BE QUESTIONED”?

         
  36. Anon4fun

    October 28, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    If you are on the land of your State, then you are within the jurisdiction claimed by the people of your State, the same people who sent a delegation to the Constitutional Convention to form (a government for) The United States of America. This is the causal chain that can put you under lawful federal authority. It comes down to the property rights of the people of your State. The United States, Inc. you keep mentioning is a different entity.

     
    • John

      October 28, 2012 at 7:50 PM

      Who is the People? By what authority does any other man have to claim they have jurisdiction over ME or any land I am using? If it was THEIR land then where were they when I started using it?

      The jurisdiction of the People of the STATE OF XXXX is only limited to the jurisdiction within a geographical area known as a free nation called by a name also called a STATE OF XXXXX. They don’t have jurisdiction over ALL the land within that geographical boundary. They only have jurisdiction over specific land within that boundary.

      Take for example the corporation PESPI. PESPI is a corporation that is created and exists within a specific location within a specific area called by a name. PESPI does business through all of America, but PESPI does not have jurisdiction nor authority over ALL of America. Their authority is only within their own corporate buildings.

      When a Sheriff leaves the building where his office is, the minute he steps off that property line, he is outside his jurisdiction. His jurisdiction ONLY rests WITHIN his corporate office and any land occupied throughout the boundary lines of that corporate County Of XXXXX. He does not have jurisdiction over every inch of land within the boundary lines of the County. Only the actual land owned or leased by the Corporate County and Corporate Cities within the boundary lines of that County.

      He is a FOREIGN AGENT of the Foreign corporate County. He is NOT an agent of the nation county, but only the foreign corporate County. County vs county. County = Foreign corporation.vs county = free nation non-corporate county.

      When the Sheriff gets in his car and travels onto a road he is traveling outside his jurisdiction and venue. He is only given a RIGHT OF WAY to use OUR roads which belong to the free men and woman collectively regardless of their foreign or non-foreign corporate status. No FEDERAL, No STATE, No COUNTY, No CITY owns ANY public roads. That belongs to ALL the men and women granted to them by the creator. Not some fictitious corporate government that is FOREIGN to the private people.

      Just because most people don’t know this does not change what it is. Facts are facts and every inch of land within a geographical area called a state is NOT owned nor governed by the foreign corporate State, County or City. Their FOREIGN jurisdiction is ONLY within the land they actually own, lease and occupy.

      Until someone can show me where this home I use has been ceded to the United States and where the roads have been ceded to the United States, they have no jurisdiction over those lands, period! Just READ the organic laws of the United States. It is plainly clear all federal, State, County, City corporates are all LIMITED TO FEDERAL LAND ONLY!

      And they KNOW THIS which is why now they DO NOT DARE BOTHER ME!

       
      • Don

        October 29, 2012 at 3:17 PM

        John,

        You say: “And they KNOW THIS which is why now they DO NOT DARE BOTHER ME!”

        I don’t believe they “KNOW THIS” & IF they don’t bother you it’s because you have all the papers they require OR you exist under a ROCK.

        Tell me what most people in the “AREA” you live in, call the town/city that is your place of abode or near your place of abode. You have perked my interest enough that IF you answer my question, I am going to travel to wherever this is & check things out for myself. I’m serious. IF you answer my question, answer it, like this: Don, most if not all ignorant people call the town/city ______. They call the County________. They call the State ________.

         
      • John

        October 29, 2012 at 4:12 PM

        I wouldn’t know about “all the papers they “require””. As far as all the local level agents go, they for the most part do not know. BUT, they do know now as far as anything that pertains to my wife and myself. I don’t have any “papers” since I am not a dog or some other “animal”.

        What they have is proper notices of a mistake and who I am vs who/what I am not. These notices were not sent to any local agents or departments, other than a local court. Other than a local court, notices were sent to their superior offices and agents, such as the Chief Justice of the State Supreme Court, State AG, State Secretary of State, US Treasury, Commissioner of IRS, etc.

        I suspect from one or more of those agencies caused something from their offices to be placed into their system to give notice to any local agents to NOT engage or detain. You will not find anything in any public record as everything is done in private.

        It is mostly just a matter of correcting their records as to who I am and who/what I am not. I am NOT a trustee, administrator, executor, agent or representative for the NAME trust. THEY are! I am the living beneficiary (i.e. the real and true creditor) of the NAME trust. Since I AM the living beneficiary and I AM living and NOT missing (lost at see) nor dead, there can be no estate for the NAME trust since the living beneficiary IS living and not missing.

         
      • Don

        October 30, 2012 at 11:24 PM

        John,

        Did you say?

        I also decided to try something just a little different on this one and Stamped every page of the summons. Normally I never do anything with their papers other than return it. This time I stamped this text on every page:

        REFUSED FOR CAUSE
        LACK OF VERIFIED COMPLAINT
        OMB VIOLATION
        LACK OF JUDICIAL STANDING
        11th AMENDMENT VIOLATION
        14th AMENDMENT VIOLATION
        CESTI QUE VIE VIOLATION

        Is the above from you? If so,are you claiming that “your” 14th amendment right(s) have somehow been violated? If so,how

         
      • John

        October 30, 2012 at 11:41 PM

        I did not say MY 14th amendment rights have been violated. I said THEY are in violation of THEIR 14th amendment mandate.

        The 14th amendment has nothing to do with me. But it does have to do with them since they took the oath to uphold and defend it. Under THEIR mandate THEY are not to question the public debt.

         
      • Don

        November 1, 2012 at 1:19 AM

        @If that is what you are responding and asking about, did the clerk, judge, attorney all not take an oath to uphold and defend THEIR United States Constitution?

        My Dad was a good man & he cared for me. I learned this too late however.I never knew he could not read or write until after he died. I recall when I was a little whippersnapper & “learning,” & actually thought I was pretty sharp,he said to me,one day, Donald,today, I’m going to “learn” you something about welding. I said,Daddy, you don’t learn people, you teach them. He took off his belt, & gave me a whipping. As he was putting his belt back on, he said, I hope you have learned not to correct your elders.

         
      • John

        November 1, 2012 at 1:25 AM

        Gosh, Golly, if my dad learned me that way I guess I would still be one of them there sheeples still living in the land of the dead.

         
      • donaldbailey02@comcast.net

        November 1, 2012 at 2:44 AM

        Once again, you just don’t get it.

         
      • deb

        November 1, 2012 at 2:04 AM

        Hi John
        pardon my ignorance, but if your home/property etc., is registered with the County of…doesn’t that put it/you in their jurisdiction? You mention being a “private man” how do you explain this if you are traveling the right of way in your registered car/registration, with a state DL, and your travel is interrupted by being interrogated by fiction?

         
      • John

        November 1, 2012 at 4:47 AM

        Ah, but Deb, what makes you believe that the home I am using is registered with any County, or that the vehicle I use is registered with any State? Do you actually believe I live in some piece of paper that describes fictitious characters and imaginary places that only exist within the minds of men, created as some fictional military venue/federal zone? Do you live in one of those man made fictitious federal overlays called a zip code and military venues called by some two letter all caps STATE?

        Do you also believe that piece of paper called a birth certificate is actually YOU? Just as that piece of paper called a birth certificate is NOT YOU, neither is some piece of paper describing imaginary persons and places the home I use. Same with any car I use.

        As far as any interrupted travel goes, there may be the RARE occasion where that might be interrupted, but there is no interrogation. When most of those dudes in uniform today they hire can only have an IQ between 80 – 100 there are going to be times when one of them will get lost and lose track of being outside their jurisdiction. Nothing a few moments of time can’t correct and if they are closer to the 80 IQ mark, well, don’t engage a retard on the side of the road with a gun. It is not worth it when their mistake can be easily corrected later.

         
      • deb

        November 1, 2012 at 5:23 AM

        Hi John, thanks for responding, I agree with what you’re saying. I understand (a little late in life) the lies perpetrated, but don’t know how to pull the tentacles off my back unless there’s someone to show me. I am alone in all this and my family thinks i’ve gone off the deep end. You have overcome the world and I so too want to be an overcomer as well. Would you be willing to show me? And I can also show others what it means to be living under the perfect law of liberty.

         
      • John

        November 1, 2012 at 1:57 PM

        Deb, I don’t look at it as lies or fraud. I look at it as I was once BLIND but now I SEE! I looked into the mirror and finally seen the PROBLEM! The problem was ME, not their system! After discovering who the problem was, the next step was to correct the MISTAKES that I made. But you also have to know that when you begin to correct the mistake they WILL TEST YOU. There is no magic bullet that will just fix it all. The best way I can describe it is to read the story of JOB. You MUST be ready to go through that. You MUST be ready to just LET EVERYTHING GO! Some people are not willing to go that far if it was to come to that. I may be IN this world, but I am not OF this world. There are no earthly possessions that I care about. I use to when I was blind and living in the land of the DEAD! But I came into this world with nothing and I will most certainly leave it with nothing with the exception of maybe the experience of this world while I was here. My riches are not in this world. My riches are in some place called heaven. So IF doing what I do ends up costing everything I use and have possession of to all be taken away, then so be it! I will NOT allow anything in this world make me give into SATAN’S realm. So whatever amount of persecution that I may be subjected to, I’m ready and willing to go through it.

         
      • deb

        November 1, 2012 at 7:52 PM

        Hi John,

        Thanks for your response. How do you correct the mistakes? That of dmv, registration and plates on the car for instance? I no longer want to use any of their unclean things–touch not, taste not, handle not. I’m not looking for Turner’s magic bullet, just knowing how to respond to those who are trespassing upon my right of way and possibly kidnapping me against my will.

        I understand what it means to count the cost–that I must be ready to lose everything even my life if need be–to overcome. I pray that when/if that time comes, He will give me strength.

        You said you will not allow anything in this world to make you give in to Satan’s realm, but using the “State’s” benefits in any way is placing you in his realm. You know YOU is not you, and they do too, but if they see in your possession anything remotely tying you to their system they will assume you are one of them, regardless what you tell them. Can you correct their mistakes by claiming you are in God’s kingdom/jurisdiction while possessing even one of their artifact, especially one that has a graven image?

         
      • John

        November 1, 2012 at 9:24 PM

        How does a State give you benefits when everything the State has all came from you? The state doesn’t give you benefits. You give the State benefits. Without you no State can exist. I have no problem USING the State’s plates or DL or registration. Some under the illusion those things some how magically create some type of contract between you and the State. How does a fiction contract with a living man? Hint. It can’t and doesn’t. There are NO CONTRACTS between man and fiction. That is why the State gives you their game piece to USE to navigate through its system they created and use to usurp everything God gave man dominion of.

        Everything operates under trusts and all those trusts are subject to the rules of usufruct per international law. The State having seized ALL PROPERTY where ALL PROPERTY is “vested” in the STATE, i.e. property all held in trusts, and the STATE having received, used and benefited from that property for its personal profit and gain to support its corporations called governments and its foreign army, under the rules of usufruct that makes the STATE the usufructary fully liable for ALL TAXES, DUES AND DEBTS owed by ITS Trust entities.

        YOU are the living woman who is the Settlor/Beneficiary of the TRUST and under the rules of usufruct you are spoliated owner/naked owner which the STATE has issued you a receipt for all that property seized for you to use to obtain full indemnity for everything associated with that decedent NAME estate they created.

        Within their artificial world they can not see YOU for you are God and God appears before on one. Ye are all God’s as a part of his creation and the power of Christ is WITHIN YOU!

        It’s all about truly knowing who you really are and if you use their laws for your benefit as some form of defense for yourself, then you still don’t know who you are because you are still living within their state of illusion.

        That receipt (birth certificate) is your indemnity receipt to use. HOW you USE it depends on which side of that receipt you are on. One side places you WITHIN their illusion while the other side keeps you outside their illusion. You can NOT MIX with their laws when they have nothing to do with you. I have heard Judges laugh making fun of people in the PAYtriot community over this very thing. They laugh about how those people claim the codes, statutes, laws don’t apply to them, and yet there they are using those laws they say don’t apply to them by claiming use of them for their own benefit and defense. How silly is that? And then they complain how corrupt the system is and wonder why they get sent off to mental wards to be evaluated.

         
      • deb

        November 1, 2012 at 10:43 PM

        Hi John
        @ That is why the State gives you their game piece to USE to navigate through its system they created and use to usurp everything God gave man dominion of.
        What is this game piece? and how do I use it? I don’t understand, how do I navigate through their system? Are you saying I can demand back everything they stole from my labor?

        @Everything operates under trusts and all those trusts are subject to the rules of usufruct per international law.
        Is the State subject to international law? Do I need to create another trust within their trust? Or how do I or can I access the trust? How do i tell the trustee I have a tax bill that needs to be paid, and could they hurry up and pay it?

        @decedent NAME estate they created–I wasn’t born in this country–naturalized.
        I know who I am as a new creation in Christ, and do not use their rules/regs. for any benefit/defense. I just feel the DL etc., are benefits since I have to pay for them every 2-4 years. Can you explain how they are not benefits and why do I have to always pay for them?

        @One side places you WITHIN their illusion while the other side keeps you outside their illusion.
        What do you mean by “the other side” what is the other side? I’m sorry, I’m just confused. I don’t claim any of their codes apply to me, but I do believe THEY need to abide by them since the codes/rules are made for them and their posterity. But how do I get them to obey their own rules and codes?
        So will you freely give/share your knowledge and how it all works, with me?

        Thanks for being patient and understanding.

         
      • John

        November 1, 2012 at 11:51 PM

        The game piece is the name on the birth certificate. In your case it is the naturalization certificate. It serves the same purpose. You can’t demand anything back. Everything within their system is theirs. Everything produced by man is already paid for by man’s labor. The State is liable for all the bills. They operate in bankruptcy within their system and everything within their system is just paper and that is all fiction. They use their paper to create mirror images of what is real. The problem is people believe in that paper as if it is real and actually pertains to what they have possession of that is real. Example, a house is real. That deed is not real. They are not the same, they do not have anything to do with one another. The deed is fiction that describes their fiction name, their fiction property location. But people believe it is real so they accept it as such by claiming their paper as their property. Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. The paper world is Caesar’s. The real world belongs to man. The NAME is a trust so there is no need to create another trust. Look at the NAME trust as a shield of Armour. You never claim it as you or claim it as yours. That is how you get sucked in by making false claims to property that isn’t yours. Making false claims is crimes and offenses committed in their world and by committing those crimes and offenses you subject your property to forfeiture, per the rules of war on land. Lieber Code sect. 38.

        38. Private property, unless forfeited by crimes or by offenses of the owner, can be
        seized only by way of military necessity, for the support or other benefit of the Army or
        of the United States.
        If the owner has not fled, the commanding officer will cause receipts to be given,
        which may serve the spoliated owner to obtain indemnity.

        Under their foreign military occupancy all property is seized and vested in the State by way of military occupancy to support its military and foreign corporate United state, Inc. Since YOU have not fled you were issued a RECEIPT (the Birth Certificate or Certificate of Naturalization) for you the spoliated owner to obtain indemnity.

        Even the Congressional records supports this

        Congressional Record – House – March 9, 1933
        “The money will be worth 100 cents on the dollar, because it is backed by the credit of the Nation. It will represent a mortgage on all the homes and other property of all the people in the Nation.
        The money so issued will not have one penny of gold coverage behind it. because it is really not needed. We do not need gold to back our internal currency.”

        Here they admit their federal reserve notes currency is an INTERNAL currency and they don’t need gold to back it with because they back it with all the credit of the nation, which is all the “private” men and women.

        Senate Doc #43, page 9, second paragraph in the right column.
        “The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State; individual so-called “ownership” is only by virtue of Government, i.e., law, amounting to mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State.”

        This Senate Doc admits ownership of all property in in the State amounting to mere user and must be accordance with the law and subordinate to the necessities of the State. See Lieber Code section 38 above.

        All property vested in the State is in trust. That NAME trust (birth certificate or naturalization certificate) is the trust for everything you USE their registered NAME for.

        Under the 1907 Hague treaty everything operates subject to the rules of usufruct. The State having received and benefited from all property it seized out of its necessity is the usufructary having all the liability for all taxes and debts owed by the NAME Trust created by the State.

        You are naked-owner of the usufruct having full disposal rights of everything with no liability.

        When anything comes to you in the NAME it is presumed you are the trustee for the NAME trust. Since you are not the trustee everything should be returned back to sender noticing them of a mistake and suggesting they try contacting the registered agent of that NAME trust so they can assist in locating the proper fiduciary that can vouch for that NAME trust. The registered agent is the State registrar who holds the original file for the NAME trust (original birth records). If a naturalization certificate then whatever office you have to go to to get certified copies of that certificate from.

        They are their laws and they do apply to them within the corporations. You can point out to them, I BELIEVE YOUR law, such and such, requires you to this or that. What you can’t do is use their laws as any form of your own defense since they don’t apply to you.

        There is no MY constitutional rights or MY rights under your law this or that. They are not YOUR RIGHTS under THEIR laws when they don’t apply to you. They are THEIR rights and mandates under their laws applying to them.

        If one of their members violate their laws where they are causing you a problem, your recourse on that is to just send a notice requesting intervention and investigation of one their foreign agents where it appears they may be in violation of their law, such and such.

         
      • deb

        November 2, 2012 at 11:24 AM

        Hi John
        @The State is liable for all the bills–Yes, as long as I continue to use their 14th amendment carved image with a Socialist number attached to it.

        @You never claim it (the NAME) as you or claim it as yours.–No, I no longer do because the Father has given me a new name. The old man is dead, old things are passed away, all things are become new. But I do want to clean up the mess the old man had done. I repented, now I no longer want to do the things the old man did. New beginning–why does the State want to resurrect the old man? How do I make them see all that the Father has given me is not in their jurisdiction? I don’t think I can because they don’t acknowledge the Father and his kingdom–therefore, persecution.

        @That is how you get sucked in by making false claims to property that isn’t yours.–True, if it is attached to the old man. If the old man is dead, why do I intervene on his behalf? Isn’t this raising him from the dead?

        @If the owner has not fled, the commanding officer will cause receipts to be given, which may serve the spoliated owner to obtain indemnity.–How can a carved image by the State obtain indemnity? Can the flesh and blood man obtain indemnity for the fictitious old man? and wouldn’t this make you the blood man fiduciary for the dead man? Let the dead burry their dead.

        @That NAME trust (…) is the trust for everything you USE their registered NAME for.–I thought the Trust is what the Father established. If I use their “Trust” then I no longer trust the Father to supply all of my needs–I would be trusting Parens Patriae through its carved images to sustain the blood man carved in “God’s image”. Isn’t this what Satan wants–for blood man to go to Parens Patriae?

        @The registered agent is the State registrar who holds the original file for the NAME trust (original birth records). If a naturalization certificate then whatever office you have to go to to get certified copies of that certificate from….You can point out to them, I BELIEVE YOUR law, such and such, requires you to this or that.–If that paper is not me, why would I the blood man go into their jurisdiction and beg/request their certified copies of a fiction and how would it be used?

        @If one of their members violate their laws where they are causing you a problem, your recourse on that is to just send a notice requesting intervention and investigation of one their foreign agents where it appears they may be in violation of their law, such and such.–Isn’t this “requesting” placing me the blood man in their jurisdiction and arguing on fictitious paper with a fiction about not doing their fictitious job? And since they can’t see me or hear me the blood man, wouldn’t I then be talking to the wind?

        In a previous post you said “One side places you WITHIN their illusion while the other side keeps you outside their illusion.” Doesn’t this mean you’re walking both sides of the fence? You’re using their carved image illusion to benefit the private blood man, no? Isn’t this a double mindedness the Scripture warns us against?

        Can you show me how the blood man can withdraw from their system without using their system?

         
      • John

        November 2, 2012 at 6:30 PM

        I don’t engage within their fantasy world. I communicate with the living man who is behind the mask playing the role acting as the fictitious character. If Jim Jones Attorney General is the fictitious character I communicate to just Jim the living man. While the entire system is made up of noting but artificial things, the fictitious characters playing the roles of fictitious persons are real men behind those masks. I don’t communicate with their dead names, I communicate with the living man known by Jim. Not Jim Jones or Jim Jones Attorney General.

        There is no argument. Just information provided that appears one of the men wearing a mask of a fictitious actor may be violating their fictitious laws within their artificial world by usurping their artificial world jurisdiction by attempting to cross over into this real world attempting to cause controversy with the living man. It is the job of their ranking superiors within their artificial world to remain in honor by preventing their own within their system to meddle in the real world against the living who are peaceful inhabitants.

        Since the ONLY way for ME to EVER be allowed to enter into their fictitious temples of justice is only by accepting their artificial “legal person” i.e. claim the NAME, and where I cannot and will not be lead into temptation, my ONLY recourse is to communicate privately to the living man who is playing the fictitious character role of the artificial person in their artificial world.

         
      • deb

        November 2, 2012 at 7:39 PM

        Hi John
        Thanks for being patient with all my questions and lack of understanding on the things that just don’t seem to make sense.
        I heard of others doing the abatement process. Is this what you are referring to?

        Can I communicate privately with someone from..lets say TSA and tell him/her kindly that from this day on I would like my travels to not be interfered with, the possibility of trespass and kidnapping? And could they see to it that my demands are complied with? Would I initiate it or wait until my travels are interrupted? Do you john–skype or email, is there any way we can speak outside the forum?

         
      • John

        November 2, 2012 at 8:13 PM

        deb, what is your email?

         
      • deb

        November 2, 2012 at 8:52 PM

        colossians220@gmail

         
      • Don

        November 6, 2012 at 10:08 PM

        October 29, 2012 at 4:12 PM
        I wouldn’t know about “all the papers they “require””. I don’t have any “papers”

        John
        November 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM
        I DO carry a STATE issued DL.

        WHY? Why do YOU,John,carry a STATE issued DL.?

         
      • John

        November 6, 2012 at 10:24 PM

        For indemnity as proof that I am NOT one of their created trust NAMES and that I am NOT one of their executors, administrators or trustees for their State entity trust NAME! That is why. To maintain the peace and not cause confusion with any of their armed foreign agents on the side of the road who most today only have an IQ between 80 to 100. WHY would I want to cause any conflicts with some untrained borderline RETARD that is armed? How many horror stories does one need to hear of to know it is just plain stupid to get yourself into a conflict with an armed retard that doesn’t know anything more than the common sheeple?

         
    • John

      October 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM

      Bouvier’s Law Dictionary
      People:
      A nation in its collective and political capacity.
      In neutrality laws, a government recognized by the United States.
      When the term the people is made use of in constitutional law or discussions, it is often the case that those only are intended who have a share in the government through being clothed with the elective franchise.

      So based on their legal definition of People, it means those who are intended who have a share in the government through being clothed with the elective franchise. So who exactly would the elective franchise be? It isn’t YOU and it isn’t ME! Not unless you are an elected official of that franchise! What does franchise mean, anyway? Let’s take a look.

      Bouvier’s Law Dictionary

      Franchise:

      “A special privilege conferred by government on individuals, and which does not belong to the citizens of the country generally by common right.”

      Which one of those describes YOU? I am NOT one of the People as defined in that legal definition. I am not on any land within any State of those foreign Peoples. I am on land within a state, NOT a State.

      I am not a People, but one of a collective free people WITHOUT the Foreign corporate society called governments.

      I am NOT a volunteer nor a participant of it. I am WITHOUT it outside its foreign corporate jurisdictions and venues.

       
      • Don

        October 30, 2012 at 10:44 PM

        John,
        Les ahh lease git 1 thang strayt heuh. Hit Haint thems theres, hits, M-R,cauz,aws guhmunt, LOL
        we nees 2 staht gittin ahh wuh wurs ko-wrec aw wease aine goan git no whayuhh.unnuhstain? nah i is gittin a lil sic n tied uhh dis heuh wee ree goze raun gaun raun n circuz o wuh aine o wuh stuff. i meanezit. i sic n tide uhh ehh.

        Then I guess ALL thems theres laws is alls UNLAWFULS cause deys ALLS been made by that there thing called MOB RULE! Didn’t the govmint outlaw them there mobsters? Golly, they must of put them mobsters out of business just so they goverments peoples can takes everything over all for themselves! LOL

         
      • Don

        October 31, 2012 at 9:18 AM

        John,
        Thank you for clearing up my question re the 14th perverted so called amendment.

        I believe you should be grateful to the DUDES (as you call them) who put their “John Henrys'” on the document called The Statute of 1776, aka The Declaration of Independence,because those DUDES made it possible for you to be able to express your position/beliefs,etc. Also, those DUDES did not seem to have a problem using a name & surname as “ID.”

        We are ALL deceived about SOMETHING(s) & I too question this “surname.” I do, at this time, & for many years, believe the “surname” IS a trade(commerce) name/ID.I don’t know if my forefathers(DUDES) understood this. I know,e.g., there was, John, the Blacksmith, John, the Barber,etc. I do know that people with the “tradename” of Blacksmith,changed it to,Black or Smith.There was one of three Judges, surname of Black who ruled that I contemptiously violated a made “without authority, “invalid” lower court’s ORDER. How does anyone contemptiously violate a made without authority “INVALID” order? Anyway, once again, THANK the DUDES that signed the Statute of 1776,MANMADE document for providing YOU, DUDE,(John) for “opening the door for YOU to be able to express your beliefs, etc.

         
      • PatriotOne

        October 31, 2012 at 3:04 PM

        I think the Name/NAME stuff is BS. My Dad would hate me if I told him that I refuse to use my last Name. My Dad adopted 2 brothers and 1 sister, He gave us His last Name and raisded us. Even though I cannot talk LAW-IRS-GovCo with Him because He believes the LIES, I cannot tell him that GovCo is using My last NAME in order to keep Me as “their” SLAVE. It does not make sence that 3 or 5 or 125 words that make up a Name can be perverted into some CORPORATION or TRUSTEE or SURETY or A PILE OF SHIT by a GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE.
        F Truman – F Lincoln – F Regan- F them all. Who are they to say My Name means anything other than what My Mother calls Me when it is time to eat dinner? The ONLY thing GovCo says it means is because GovCo has a gun pointed at My head because they, like My Dad believe the GovCo BS.

         
      • John

        October 31, 2012 at 3:40 PM

        If you believe by the mere creation of some piece of paper signed by some dudes over 225 years ago is what gave you any rights, then that is your belief. Welcome to the land of “indoctrination”.

        I believe all my rights come from my creator and none else. It appears that very piece of paper you believe your rights come from agrees with my belief.

         
      • PatriotOne

        October 31, 2012 at 3:12 PM

        all any of us need to do is read Anon4fun, it believes the GovCo BS just like 2500k other “americans” believe the GovCo BS.
        Every Sheriff believes that he is actually GovCo, and would call me a liar if I told him that he was only ACTING as if he was GovCo but in reality he is nothing more than a man wearing a costume pretending that he is something that he really is not.
        No wonder the People turn to love or HATE God, the BS is overwhelming. Thanks God for putting Me through HELL in order for ME to TRY to qualify passage through the pearly gates…

         
      • Don

        November 1, 2012 at 6:08 PM

        johnny DUDE,
        @A nation in its collective and political capacity.

        If the above is the LEGAL definition of “People,” what is the LAWFUL definition of “People?”

         
      • John

        November 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM

        Corporate “People”. Or “people” as in private?

         
      • John

        November 1, 2012 at 6:50 PM

        What’s the difference between lawful and legal when a fiction is a fiction is a fiction? Lawful = man-made fiction. Legal = man-made fiction.

         
      • Don

        November 2, 2012 at 8:32 PM

        John,
        @claim the NAME,

        If you claim the “name” how does he/she whose name you have claimed, have a name left for anyone else to claim?

         
      • John

        November 2, 2012 at 9:11 PM

        I don’t claim the Name, and the Name is not a he or she, but merely a THING/TITLE/Fictitious Entity. When I say I don’t claim the Name, I don’t mean a common Name man is called by, such as John. I mean the fictitious Name created by the STATE as is, John Smith, JOHN SMITH, J Smith, J SMITH. ANY Name that INCLUDES a LAST Name with it = State created fictitious Name/NAME.

         
  37. Anon4fun

    October 28, 2012 at 8:31 PM

    “Who is the People?”

    It could those who can vote. It could be all the citizenry. It depends.

    “By what authority does any other man have to claim they have jurisdiction over ME or any land I am using?”

    Not necessarily any authority you recognize. So it could come down to force between the People with their claimed authority within the boundaries of their State versus you with your claimed authority, if no common ground can be found. Such force is how the People acquired their State in the first place, directly or indirectly.

    “When a Sheriff leaves the building where his office is, the minute he steps off that property line, he is outside his jurisdiction.”

    Another baffling assertion. Where are you getting this from? A sheriff is an agent of the people of the county. His authority covers the same area the people’s authority covers, namely the entire county.

    “Until someone can show me where this home I use has been ceded to the United States and where the roads have been ceded to the United States, they have no jurisdiction over those lands, period!”

    This does not follow. Property does not have to be ceded to a government (or a private corporation acting as a government, for that matter) for certain aspects or uses of that property to fall under its authority. Maybe you somehow have allodial title to your property. If so you should be congratulated, because you’re the first I’ve heard of who has this.

     
    • John

      October 28, 2012 at 8:55 PM

      I do not have any title to any land. All TITLES are nothing but fiction created in a fictitious IMAGE of what is real. How does one claim ownership over something one was never given ownership of? The creator owns ALL. There is no ownership other than the creator who owns all. My creator never gave me ownership or titles to anything.

      My creator forbids it! My creator tells me NOT to accept the “person” of man nor give “titles” to man.

      JOB 32:21 I will not now accept the person of man, neither will I give titles to man.

      I do not make any claims of ownership. I was only given dominion over this place, not ownership. Dominion = use, control and possession.

      The State can have all its imaginary property it created on paper they used to usurp their jurisdiction by creating everything in a mirror image.

      The Sheriff is a FOREIGN AGENT elected through a FOREIGN Corporate process where the man who accepts that role must take an OATH which ALL OATHS comes under FOREIGN RELATIONS of the Foreign Corporate laws,

      Those holding Federal or State public office, county or municipal office, under the Legislative, Executive or Judicial branch, including Court Officials, Judges, Prosecutors, Law Enforcement Department employees, Officers of the Court, and etc., before entering into these public offices, are required by the U.S. Constitution and statutory law to comply with Title 5 USC, Sec. §3331, “Oath of office.” State Officials are also required to meet this same obligation, according to State Constitutions and State statutory law.

      All oaths of office come under 22 CFR, Foreign Relations, Sections §§92.12 – 92.30, and all who hold public office come under Title 8 USC, Section §1481 “Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions.”

      Under Title 22 USC, Foreign Relations and Intercourse, Section §611, a Public Official is considered a foreign agent. In order to hold public office, the candidate must file a true and complete registration statement with the State Attorney General as a foreign principle.

      The Oath of Office requires the public official in his / her foreign state capacity to uphold the constitutional form of government or face consequences.

      The voters are men and women who registered the Foreign INFANT (artificial legal “person”) via the STATE issued birth certificate registering the artificial legal “person” as the voter/U.S. Citizen. They are voting for the registered infant created by operation of law under the Foreign United States, Inc. and its subsidiary Foreign State of XXXXX, Inc.

      The Sheriff is a FOREIGN AGENT who is completely FOREIGN to all the PRIVATE men and women living on the geographical areas within the boundary lines of the nation county that the Foreign Corporate COUNTY OF XXXXX created their imaginary federal overlay zones in.

      The Sheriff can NOT be elected by the free “private people” and can only be elected by the corporate created artificial legal person on the foreign corporate ballot created by the foreign corporation.

      Are YOU a fictitious “person” OR are you a living man or woman? WHICH world are YOU living in?

       
      • Don

        October 30, 2012 at 5:12 PM

        John, you say in pertinent part:

        “As far as all the local level agents go, they for the most part do not know.” (end of quote)

        And they don’t bother you? And the reason they don’t bother you is because they don’t know?”

        They don’t know not to bother you tells me they will bother you sooner or later because they don’t

        know not to bother you. The tyranny STARTS with the so called local agents.

        Will you agree that the “local agents” are a.k.a. a so called “Municipal Authority?”

         
      • John

        October 30, 2012 at 6:35 PM

        When a local agent bothers you and doesn’t know, they soon do know once that little screen of theirs in their little police car pops up.

         
      • Don

        October 30, 2012 at 10:04 PM

        John,
        YOU say:In a TRUE REPUBLIC it would require a 100% vote for a law in order for a law to pass and become a law.

        Anything that is against reason is unlawful-Coke on Littleton 97b.

         
      • John

        October 30, 2012 at 10:10 PM

        Then I guess ALL thems theres laws is alls UNLAWFULS cause deys ALLS been made by that there thing called MOB RULE! Didn’t the govmint outlaw them there mobsters? Golly, they must of put them mobsters out of business just so they goverments peoples can takes everything over all for themselves! LOL

         
    • Don

      October 29, 2012 at 2:50 PM

      Anon4fun,
      You say: “A sheriff is an agent of the people of the county. His authority covers the same area the people’s authority covers, namely the entire county.”

      Unless you are aware that what I am about to say is the truth, please accept it for now,at least,that it is the truth. The Sheriff WAS at one time the Chief Law enforcement Officer of the County. Today, the Sheriff is under the authority of the district attorney. I am convinced I know why this is, but I would like to see what you or anyone else for that matter,except sem, has/have to say about this “change of authority.”

       
    • Don

      October 29, 2012 at 2:57 PM

      @”Who is the People?”
      I IS 1uhum. dat fo sho. I nose dat much. I IS 1 uhh dim peepuzz. I noad dis faw a lawng time 2

       
    • PatriotOne

      October 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM

      Anon…
      government exist as a privlege, not as a Right. government is a FICTION animated by Men for the purpose of defending life-liberty-property, government cannot claim any Right to anything but has a duty to serve, and no men are forced to serve.
      The Constitution states that ‘there shall be an office of President (+/-), but nowhere does the Constitution FORCE any man to become President, there is nowhere saying “ANY MAN REFUSING TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT SHALL BE SHOT” neither does the Constitution appoint a ‘SHOOTER OF MEN REFUSING TO SERVE”.
      If those “founders” were soooo F’N “CHRISTIAN” why did they stand between Man and His Creator? And, how do todays men (government employees) remain standing between Man and His Creator?

      The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA was a good idea until men FK’d it up.

      Stop growing food in “your” yard or some government employee will point a gun and shoot because you didn’t purchase permission to sustain your life, after all how can a government employee protect you from dangerous food without putting a bullet into your head?

      can the government employee produce facts and evidence that Man shall seek government permission?
      government is nothing more than a GANG, it was supposed to be side by side defenders of liberty, but today government is nothing more than a GANG. they proved it by showing how the GANG treated Ron Paul at county and state conventions, the liars could not stand beside the truth so they eliminated the truth.

      there is no government, only MASTERS and SLAVES…

       
      • Don

        October 29, 2012 at 8:02 PM

        PatriotOne

        @The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA was a good idea until men FK’d it up.

        TRUE.

        @Stop growing food in “your” yard or some government employee will point a gun and shoot because you didn’t purchase permission to sustain your life, after all how can a government employee protect you from dangerous food without putting a bullet into your head?

        More Front Line Experience examples of the way it is

        @government is nothing more than a GANG, it was supposed to be side by side defenders of liberty, but today government is nothing more than a GANG. they proved it by showing how the GANG treated Ron Paul at county and state conventions, the liars could not stand beside the truth so they eliminated the truth.

        TRUE, Same thing happened Yeshua,aka Jesus Christ. “The GANG HATES TRUTH & ANYTHING associated with it.

        there is no government, only MASTERS and SLAVES…

        TRUE

        @If those “founders” were soooo F’N “CHRISTIAN” why did they stand between Man and His Creator? And, how do todays men (government employees) remain standing between Man and His Creator?

        This statement from you, PatriotOne, I do not understand, for one of many reasons, I will use one of your own comments.

        The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA was a good idea until men FK’d it up.

        Yes, UNTIL somewhere down the line men screwed it up.”A Republic IF you can keep it”, WAS NOT KEPT.

         
      • John

        October 29, 2012 at 8:39 PM

        That original so called REPUBLIC was just another foreign corporation created by the founders for THEMSELVES. That so called REPUBLIC never included all the “private people”. It ONLY included the group of men who participated in creating it! And that was never a true republic. It was just based on a republican FORM of foreign corporate government, i.e. not a true republic, but mob rule!

        In a TRUE REPUBLIC it would require a 100% vote for a law in order for a law to pass and become a law. NOT a majority vote which is based on mob rule! That is why it was called a republican FORM of government and not a true republic!

        For a TRUE REPUBLIC that included ALL men and women, both corporate and private, every law would first require a 100% vote FOR IT to pass, and then after those representatives got a 100% FOR IT to pass, then it would have to go to all the private people to get their 100% vote FOR IT to pass. Until that happens no law could ever pass under a TRUE REPUBLIC.

        From day one it was only a republican FORM of government based on a majority vote i.e. mob rule!

         
  38. Don

    October 28, 2012 at 8:49 PM

    Hello,John,
    In West’s Ann. Cal. Gov. Code (2000), § 100, it is written:“The sovereignty of the state resides in the people thereof, and all writs and processes shall issue in their name;”and, The court, in, Well’s v. Bain, 75 Penn. St. 39, “The People, that entire body called,the State.

    Just something else to chew on. Want some more?

     
    • John

      October 28, 2012 at 8:58 PM

      EXACTLY! Now you just need to know exactly who that specific People is. Hint. It ain’t YOU!

      The sovereignty rest in the People OF that Foreign STATE which are ONLY those People who are actual MEMBERS of that Foreign corporation. YOU are NOT a member. You are at best, ONLY a voluntary participant to it!

      WHICH State/state are YOU living in? The foreign corporate State that stuff talks about, OR, the free nation state that is WITHOUT the Foreign corporate STATE?

       
      • Don

        October 30, 2012 at 5:21 PM

        @ In a TRUE REPUBLIC it would require a 100% vote for a law in order for a law to pass

        Good luck on getting 50% of the people, ANY people to agree on ANYTHING much less 100%.
        This statement is unreasonable. Are you familiar with “Touchstone?”

         
      • Don

        November 6, 2012 at 8:14 PM

        @ “A special privilege conferred by government on individuals…”

        But, I,Don, am not an “individual.”

        @I am not a People,

        I am not “a People” either but, I am one of the People.

        John

        October 28, 2012 at 8:58 PM

        Everything you say, is truly because of the “WAR” Amendments which do not apply to a certai class of people unless that “class” of People wants to be included in the purpose of the “WAR” amendments or have become so through deception which is fraud.

         
      • John

        November 6, 2012 at 8:49 PM

        one of WHICH People/people? Are you one of the People defined in the legal redefinituion of words, or are you one of the people (note small p instead of capital P) defined as a “private” man who is not a party or Citizen subject of the one of the People as in government corporate jural society?

         
      • Adask

        November 6, 2012 at 9:31 PM

        Do you have an authority to support your assertion that “people” do not equal “People”? Where is the word “people” defined as a “private” man who is not party of Citizen subject? Such authority or definition would be important to know.

         
      • John

        November 6, 2012 at 10:19 PM

        Webster’s 1828

        PEOPLE (people)
        1. The body of persons who compose a community, town, city, or nation. We say, the people of a town ; the people of London or Paris ; the English people. In this sense, the word is not used in the plural, but it comprehends all classes of inhabitants, considered as a collective body, or any portion of the inhabitants of a city or country.

        Here is Webster’s 1828 dictionary the common meaning of the word people (small p) means private men and women who are inhabitants of a city or country. (Note: small c city or country and not capital C City or Country which capitalized means Corporate)

        Here is the legal definition of People (note: capital P as defined in legalese)

        Bouvier’s Law Dictionary
        People:
        A nation in its collective and political capacity.
        In neutrality laws, a government recognized by the United States.
        When the term the people is made use of in constitutional law or discussions, it is often the case that those only are intended who have a share in the government through being clothed with the elective franchise.

        So based on their legal definition of People, it means those who are intended who have a share in the government through being clothed with the elective franchise. So who exactly would the elective franchise be? It isn’t YOU and it isn’t ME! Not unless you are an elected official of that franchise! What does franchise mean, anyway? Let’s take a look.

        Bouvier’s Law Dictionary

        Franchise:

        “A special privilege conferred by government on individuals, and which does not belong to the citizens of the country generally by common right.”

        We the PRIVATE “people” are not citizens of the Foreign Corporate United States, or Foreign Corporate State of XXXXX, or Foreign Corporate County, or Foreign Corporate City, we the private “people” are inhabitants of the FREE nation states, county and city SMALL case, not capital case which means corporate.

         
      • Adask

        November 6, 2012 at 10:30 PM

        Thank you.

         
  39. Anon4fun

    October 28, 2012 at 9:39 PM

    John: {All TITLES are nothing but fiction created in a fictitious IMAGE of what is real.}

    What do you mean by “fiction” in this context? Could you post the definition you are using?

    The word translated as “titles” in Job 32:21 means a surname or an epithet, not a title of ownership.

    {[…] all who hold public office come under Title 8 USC, Section §1481}

    How so? Can you paste the relevant text? I just read the section and do not see how it leads to your conclusion. By my reading, it addresses “acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality,” which hardly applies to your local sheriff.

    { Under Title 22 USC, Foreign Relations and Intercourse, Section §611, a Public Official is considered a foreign agent.}

    I can’t find the phrase “public official” or the equivalent anywhere in this. Can you paste the specific text you are referring to?

     
    • John

      October 30, 2012 at 7:20 PM

      21 I will not now accept the person of man, 1neither
      will I give titles to man. = 32:21 1 I will neither have regard to riches, credit, nor authority, but
      will speak the very truth.

      22 For I may not give 1titles, lest my Maker should
      take me away suddenly. = 32:22 1 The Hebrew word signifieth, to change the name, as to call a fool
      a wise man: meaning, that he would not cloak the truth to flatter men.

      “all who hold public office come under Title 8 USC, Section §1481} How so? Can you paste the relevant text?”

      (a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
      (2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
      (3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if
      (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or
      (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or
      (4)
      (A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or
      (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required;

      The United States and the STATE OF XXXXX are FOREIGN STATES!

      The local Sheriff took an oath to the FOREIGN UNITED STATES and to the FOREIGN STATE OF XXXXX.

      { Under Title 22 USC, Foreign Relations and Intercourse, Section §611, a Public Official is considered a foreign agent.} I can’t find the phrase “public official” or the equivalent anywhere in this. Can you paste the specific text you are referring to?

      As used in and for the purposes of this subchapter—
      (a) The term “person” includes an individual, partnership, association, corporation, organization, or any other combination of individuals;

      (c) Expect [1] as provided in subsection (d) of this section, the term “agent of a foreign principal” means—
      (1) any person who acts as an agent, representative, employee, or servant, or any person who acts in any other capacity at the order, request, or under the direction or control, of a foreign principal or of a person any of whose activities are directly or indirectly supervised, directed, controlled, financed, or subsidized in whole or in major part by a foreign principal, and who directly or through any other person—
      (i) engages within the United States in political activities for or in the interests of such foreign principal;
      (ii) acts within the United States as a public relations counsel, publicity agent, information-service employee or political consultant for or in the interests of such foreign principal;
      (iii) within the United States solicits, collects, disburses, or dispenses contributions, loans, money, or other things of value for or in the interest of such foreign principal; or
      (iv) within the United States represents the interests of such foreign principal before any agency or official of the Government of the United States; and
      (2) any person who agrees, consents, assumes or purports to act as, or who is or holds himself out to be, whether or not pursuant to contractual relationship, an agent of a foreign principal as defined in clause (1) of this subsection.

      Are public officials not a “person” who acts as an agent, representative, employee, or servant under the control of a FOREIGN PRINCIPAL, i.e, Foreign UNITED STATES, INC, and FOREIGN STATE OF XXXXX?

      All public officials, Judges, Attorneys, etc, who ALL took an oath to the FOREIGN UNITED STATES and its subsidiary FOREIGN STATE OF XXXXXX, have ALL relinquished their citizenship as a “national” to become a FOREIGN AGENT MEMBER of the UNITED STATES, INC. and FOREIGN STATE OF XXXXX, INC.

       
  40. Don

    October 28, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    Cody
    October 27, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    I’m with you all the way.You are clinging to the only answer & hope & the good news is,it’s not just hope,it is for certain I used to be & feel so low that when I looked up I saw the bottom. I used to think when black cats cross my path THEY kneel & pray & 2 left hands on 2 right arms just hung in each other’s way. Don’t see it that way NO MO. Wow! what a relief. tryin to insert a little humor in these hard times.

     
  41. Don

    October 28, 2012 at 11:50 PM

    John
    Re:October 28, 2012 at 8:36 PM
    1 Samuel 8:6 – 9

    Come on John. This has nothing to do with Citizenship. You are mixing apples with oranges. The Apostle Paul, wrote most of “The New Testament” He was like A “Secretary” of “God,” in that he only wrote what “God” told/inspired him to write,& yet,he was Roman Citizen & said so.

    2 Timothy 3:16

    “… All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
    for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: … ”

    It says ALL scripture. This includes BOTH Books,Old & New Covenants.The ONLY thing abolished at/on the cross were the animal sacrifices, because the shedding of blood of animals was only a type pointing to the Supreme Sacrifice & the Shedding of Blood of the one who created all things. The creator is greater than the created & so could pay the price in full & then some.The only thing incomprehensible about this is, he in no way was obligated to do this. He,Yeshua, said: Greater love has no man than one who would give his life for his friends. Did he do that. AND HOW!! This would even apply to his enemies IF they could repent. BUT Repent means a lot more than most people think. I mean a lot more !!

    Acts 22:27

    The commander went to Paul and asked, “Tell me, are you
    a Roman citizen?” “Yes, I am,” he answered. …

     
    • John

      October 28, 2012 at 11:56 PM

      I didn’t say it had to do with citizenship. It has to do with choosing which God you want to serve. You want God for your King or you want some man for your King? You want to live by God’s law or some man made King’s law?

      If you read the rest of that chapter God tells man exactly what will happen to him if he abandons him and chooses a man made King and when you read the list of things nothing has changed. It is exactly the same today under this new fiction of King/Government and its doing exactly to you and your children as was warned by God.

       
      • Don

        October 29, 2012 at 12:28 AM

        John,
        We should obey ALL “man made laws” UNLESS ANY man made law CONFLICTS with The Law of YHWH.

        The DUDE, Thomas Jefferson said: “ANY man made law that conflicts with the Law of “God” IS ANNULITY.” He is one of my favorite DUDES.

        @ It is exactly the same today under this new fiction of King/Government and its doing exactly to you and your children as was warned by God.

        You are 100% right on target about this. Bullseye !! BUT, this is what I am against. It wernt mint 2 B this way. Remember, A REPUBLIC IF YOU CAN KEEP IT. Huh? Remember who said that ? He is another one of my favorite DUDES. I’m getting a little weary of this tippy tippy toein thru the tulips.
        Tippy toe tippy toe toe toe tippy toe O my tippy toe PLEASE tippy toe thru the 2 lips with me. YEAH

         
      • Don

        October 29, 2012 at 1:08 AM

        John
        You say: “I didn’t say it had to do with citizenship.”

        Before, you said:”To be a citizen of anything other than your creator is to abandon your creator to accept a false God/King/Government as your new master! ”

        John,how many times are you going to conveniently overlook what The Apostle Paul said: I hope this is the last time I have to post it

        Acts 22:27
        The commander went to Paul and asked, “Tell me, are you
        a Roman citizen?” “Yes, I am,” he answered. …

        Acts 22:29
        Those who were about to question him withdrew immediately. The commander himself
        was alarmed when he realized that he had put Paul, a Roman citizen, in chains. …

        Now, John, are you telling me Paul abandoned his Creator and accepted a false God/King/ Government as his new master by saying he was “a Roman Citizen?” You have already answered this question so no need to do it again. I know I’m DENSE but there are also degrees of that.

        Your answer is:
        :”To be a citizen of anything other than your creator is to abandon your creator to accept a false God/King/Government as your new master! ”

        If I was/were you, John, I would discard most of the New Testament because Paul wrote most of the New Testament under the inspiration of YHWH but even so we don’t want to abandon our creator & accept a false God/King/Government as our new master,do we? Of course not. I’m going to try & rest. If I wake up, I’ll read your rebuke to this message. Good night,or rather,I should say good morning.

         
      • John

        October 29, 2012 at 6:53 PM

        Black’s Law

        CITIZEN

        A MEMBER of a free city or JURAL SOCIETY, (civitas,) possessing all rights and privileges which can be enjoyed by any PERSON under ITS CONSTITUTION AND GOVERNMENT, and SUBJECT TO the corresponding duties. “Citizens” are MEMBERS of community inspired to common goal, who, in ASSOCIATED RELATIONS, SUBMIT THEMSELVES TO RULES OF CONDUCT for the promotion of general welfare and conservation of individual as well as collective rights. In re McIntosh, D.C.Wash., 12 F. Supp. 177.

        When I talk about a citizen/Citizen, I talk about being a citizen/Citizen SUBJECTED TO any FICTITIOUS creation of the mind pertaining to being a member of some fictitious jural society that I am not. To be a citizen/Citizen of any fictitious AUTHORITY that causes me to be subjected to its authority is to abandon my creator as the ONLY authority above myself.

        I could say I am a citizen of America speaking in a common general sense, meaning to be outside and without the jural society of the United States, Inc., and all its subsidiary State, County and City Inc’s., where it has nothing to do with being SUBJECTED to any authority other than my creator, but trying to express that when dealing with any fictitious jural society will only lead to confusion and total misapplication of their foreign laws being applied to you.

        I am NOT a citizen/Citizen of any higher power or authority other than my creator. To be such would be abandoning my creator as my creator says I cannot serve two masters!

        So to avoid confusion I prefer not to use certain words that in a common form of english has been completely redefined within a legal form of legalese.

        I am simply a child of my creator and only subjected to him and no other.

         
      • Don

        November 6, 2012 at 8:20 PM

        John,The “man made King” was accomplished through the “WAR” amendments. Still, they do not apply to me

         
      • John

        November 6, 2012 at 10:31 PM

        The man made King goes way back to the beginning of man when a group of men decided to create themselves a King on earth to rule over them and most people wanted that man made King.

        Here in this free nation called America those founders who established their freedom from their man made King then later got together and decided to repeat history again by creating themselves a new King called a republican form of Government as their new King and they opened the doors to their newly created King and allowed all free men to come freely volunteer as a participant of their newly created King if they too would like to abandon their creator AGAIN after having just recently returned to him if they so choose to once again abandon him as their King.

        Your creator makes it very clear. YOU CANNOT SERVE TWO MASTERS! So it either your creator as your King/Government/Ruler OR you abandon him to accept any other form of man-made King/Government?Ruler. You cannot serve both. One or the other. The choice is entirely yours.

         
  42. Don

    October 29, 2012 at 12:09 AM

    @does the Birth Certificate make the U.S. Citizen???? you should have said “U.S. “citizen”. NOT U.S.Citizen. John, A Tiger is a cat, a Panther is a cat, a Lion is a cat, a Bobcat is a cat. Get the picture? They are all cats, but they are not one & the SAME cat.

     
  43. Don

    October 29, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    To PatriotOne & Colleen

    @ “WE’LL TAKE CARE OF IT! ”
    What goes over the devil’s back eventually slips around & comes up under his belly. BUT, we want relief when we are being oppressed, when we are hurting NOW. Someday we may be able to laugh about the things that oppress us NOW, but as you say, “this too shall pass.”

     
  44. Don

    October 29, 2012 at 4:40 PM

    John,
    You say HELLO ! and, WTF ARE YOU USING THAT NAME FOR??????

    HELLO !! John aka JOHN, I,Donald Blaine AIN”T using “THAT NAME” and I AIN”T used “THAT NAME for over TWENTY years. WHEN did you become aware of all your SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE

    HELLO!!!

     
  45. Anon4fun

    October 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    PatriotOne: “GOVERNMENT: a gang of men and women wearing costumes with badges and guns holding words on paper and pointing those words on paper and guns at all other people on earth demanding compliance or arrest in order to provide protection…”

    This is an executive function of government. Your definition completely ignores the legislative and judicial branches. I suggest you return it to Anarchy R Us and get your money back. Though they probably have a “cartoonish oversimplification for propaganda purposes” clause in the fine print for all their sloganeering accessories.

     
    • Don

      October 29, 2012 at 6:16 PM

      Anon4fun,

      PatriotOne is only saying what his front line experience revealed/turned out to be. YOU, Anon4fun didn’t appear to see this.Then again, only front line warriors will or can see it.

      @This is an executive function of government
      Connect the following with your “judicial branch awareness.” The Supreme Court of the United States,say: ALL process of this Court (Supreme Court of the United States) issues in the name of the President of the United States,” accord, Supreme Court Rules, Process; Mandates, Rule 45.

      Please tell me how a suppose to be Judicial entity, does something in the name of the Executive & still be a “separate” department. You don’t see at least a degree of UNITY ???

      @ judicial branches

      BRANCHES ?? What happened to the DEPARTMENTS?

      These nouns define a branch as something resembling or structurally similar to a limb of a tree: a branch of a railroad; an arm of the sea; the western fork of the river; …
      The above words, almost have to be, close to seeing, “the picture within the picture.” saying it even more simply, a branch is an “extension” of its SOURCE. I say it is ALL Executive.

       
      • deb

        November 1, 2012 at 3:34 AM

        Hi Don
        I was going to reply to your October 27, 2012 at 4:21 PM post of:
        “Proof that the separation of powers still is in force,RIGHT? OF COURSE !!”
        deb thinketh NOT!!! –3 branches of gerberrmint of one body=the executive which is capo di tuti capi, which has 2 arms to execute with–“trinity?”

        “You don’t see at least a degree of UNITY ???” you say potato i say pohtahtoh

        I heard somewhere, the highest court in America to be the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania–independent, but what do I know about pol.i.tics?

         
  46. Don

    October 29, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    John,
    Re: Your eye opening message of/on October 29, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    NOW, I believe I see where you are coming from. I salute you !! I did at least something “similar” but I did not “notify” the I.R.S. or U.S. Treasury, to the best of my knowledge. However, things did change “dramatically” from the way they always were,i.e. as usual. Let me explain for the benefit of anyone else what I mean. Speaking from hindsight, a Judge “identified” as Ross Sanchez, who I found out later only “handled” “high priority cases” became the 3rd Judge “assigned” to the case
    I (<?) was "a part of." I was "escorted" from my cell to the "courtroom" & was told to "have a seat in one of the "Jury seats" i.e. where the Jury sits. Next thing I know, here comes Judge Ross Sanchez in a suit & tie, but NO BLACK ROBE ON. He sat down beside me, in the "Jury Box" asked me a couple of questions, got up, & the next thing I know, about 20 minutes later, I am on the street. Naturally, I have left out EVERY detail, but this IS the gist of what happened. So, it went from, 125 years in prison (ALL TRUMPED UP FELONIES) to being "Discharged" which ALSO never happened BEFORE in all of my "monkey suit" appearances,e.g. I was eventually "released" as everyone else is eventually, but this time I was told that I was being "DISCHARGED." AND in all honesty, I don't know for sure, what this means,if for no other reason, they are always changing the meaning of words. I do believe I know why they do this though.

     
  47. Anon4fun

    October 29, 2012 at 6:44 PM

    Don: {PatriotOne is only saying what his front line experience revealed/turned out to be.}

    No such qualification was included. It reads like a general definition. It also happens to be wrong, which is why I suggest returning it to Anarchy R Us for a refund or at least an easier-sell upgrade.

     
    • PatriotOne

      October 29, 2012 at 7:02 PM

      Just the facts Anon, just the facts supported by evidence.

      Whether it be Al Capones GANG, or the IRS GANG, or the REPUBLICAN GANG, or the DEMOCRAT GANG, or the MUSLIM GANG, or the CATHOLIC GANG, or the NAZI GANG, or the STALIN GANG…

      THEY ARE ALL GANGS POINTING GUNS AT People forcing the People to purchase permission to sustain Their lives.

       
      • PatriotOne

        October 29, 2012 at 7:08 PM

        or the STATE OF TENNESSEE GANG, or the CITY OF DALLAS GANG, or the COUNTY OF FRANKLIN GANG…

        why isn’t the WALMART GANG forcing Me to purchase at their STORE but the GOVERNMENT GANG is forceing Me to purchase at their store?

        Corpus delecti??????????????????????????????????????????

         
      • Don

        October 29, 2012 at 7:25 PM

        Corpus delecti??????????????????????????????????????????

        I understand that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

         
      • Don

        October 31, 2012 at 10:05 AM

        PatriotOne

        @THEY ARE ALL GANGS POINTING GUNS AT People forcing the People to purchase permission to sustain Their lives.

        As Walter Cronkite says: “And that’s the way it is.”

        Tell me about it !!!

         
    • Don

      October 29, 2012 at 7:10 PM

      Anon4fun
      October 29, 2012 at 6:44 PM

      Why no comment on the remainder of my message to you???

       
    • Don

      October 29, 2012 at 8:18 PM

      @Anarchy R Us,
      Thomas Jefferson said, something to the effect of, “A revolution may be needed every 20 years to keep things in order.” I don’t recall the EXACT phrase but this is the gist of what he said. He was one of my favorite DUDES, as John calls him. I like that DUDE.

       
  48. Don

    October 29, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    PatriotOne
    @ “but you refuse to leave Me alone, My only remedy is to eliminate you and the prosecutor, say your prayers POW POW]

    This IS where we are. I understand tha !!! I really like Anon4fun but I don’t think he has “Front line Experience.” I’m open for correction. I’m not on an EGO trip.

     
    • PatriotOne

      October 29, 2012 at 7:49 PM

      @Don,
      I’m just seeking the truth. The facts and evidence are what they are. Not one speeding ticket has corpus delecti, not one IRS case against a Man or Woman has corpus delecti.
      possession of marijuana is WITHOUT corpus delecti.

      Why did the HAMILTON COUNTY SHERIFF kick in doors and point guns at Men peacefully playing a card game? Was it because some God aful “christian” doctrine that states “playing cards are evil”? Therefore, in our “CHRISTIAN” GANG methods We the People determine that Men caught playing with cards SHALL BE SHOT IN THE HEAD in order to protect Them from the evil playing cards?

      Did the “CHRISTIAN” founded CITY-COUNTY-STATE, dressed up in their clean suits and hair do, seek to defend association or liberty or life when they “passed” “GODZ” “LAW” against playing with cards?

      My Creator is in My mind and in My heart, anf I keep him to Myself You can se him in Me because I did not trespass against you, that is to say; you never knew I was there.

      But if I make sure you know I am there by forcing you to pay Me to watch over you I have cast off My Creator in order to become your MASTER claiming it is the LAW and I have been given permission (by whom? another man that says so) to enforce it.
      ——————————————————————————————

      My Dad complains about taxes, but demands that taxes should be paid because GovCo must build schools and roads.

      Not realizing that he (Dad) was smart enough to make children but too stupid to teach them how to read. So he allowed a stranger to teach Me, a stranger that pointed a gun at him (or had a hidden gun pointed) demanding money or death in order to pay the stranger to teach Me how to read.

      And even though the Declaration states “all Men are endowed by Their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…”, it does NOT say ‘American’ Men it says ALL MEN ARE ENDOWED…

      But most ‘American’ bastards will deny any Man His endowment because most ‘American’ Men have been raised and trained to believe a lie as though it be truth. And they will fight to the death defending the lie.

      That is where My Dad is, I am 50 years on this earth. I cannot talk some reailties with My Dad, but We do have fun golfing.

      Q: Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
      A: Will you pleas explain what you mean when you say ‘TRUTH’?

       
      • Don

        October 29, 2012 at 8:23 PM

        PatriotOne
        October 29, 2012 at 7:49 PM

        Hey !! I’m with you Brother !! I’m beginning to think my comments are being “tampered with” & you as well as others only receive, at best, just a portion of what I send.

         
      • Don

        October 29, 2012 at 10:35 PM

        Re:A: Will you please explain what you mean when you say ‘TRUTH’?

        We need to understand what a lie is before we understand what a truth is. I have as humbly as I know how to be, and on my knees, BOTH of them,Asked “God” to help me know the truth as he “SEES IT, because I believe HE IS the way, the TRUTH, & the life. He Is KIND, Compassionate, Loving, etc. He is also A MAN OF WAR, IF & when He HAS to be that way. The SAME as YOU will be IF YOUR children are threatened by ANYTHING HARMFUL.

         
      • deb

        November 1, 2012 at 4:02 AM

        Hi Patriot One,
        @ “But most ‘American’ bastards will deny any Man His endowment because most ‘American’ Men have been raised and trained to believe a lie as though it be truth. And they will fight to the death defending the lie.”

        You’re not alone in your thinking. Betrayal is a hard pill to swallow. But now that you have taken the red pill, “Neo” Toirtap, what are you going to do?

        @ Q: Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
        A: Will you pleas explain what you mean when you say ‘TRUTH’?”

        “Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar.” Romans 3:4

         
  49. Anon4fun

    October 29, 2012 at 7:48 PM

    PatriotOne: “government exist as a privlege, not as a Right.”

    You must think gun ownership is a privilege, not a right. We the People have the right to preserve our society, our territory, and the institutions of collective political power through which we secure our God-given rights, by any means necessary including force. Just like an individual has the right to preserve life and property by any means necessary including force.

    Don: “Why no comment on the remainder of my message to you???”

    I had no comment of substance to make on it. In such cases I prefer silence to filling the page with an avalanche of styrofoam peanuts to take up space like the astroturfers do.

     
    • Don

      October 29, 2012 at 9:21 PM

      Anon4fun
      You, Anon4fun say: “I had no comment of substance ……..”

      The above would have been sufficient. The rest of your statement WAS taking up space like the astroturfers do.

       
  50. PatriotOne

    October 29, 2012 at 8:01 PM

    @Anon,
    “Just like an individual has the right to preserve life and property by any means necessary including force.” DO NOT LIE TO ME ANYMORE Anon

    No Man can FORCE freedom, it can only be DEFENDED. Life, if forced, is properly called RAPE.

    Tell Me, factually what do you mean by “our territory”? God created Earth giving Man dominion OVER EARTH, not over Man.

    You Anon must have rode with Jackson killing the Indians because they wern’t on Earth created by God, they were in “our territory”.

    As I said, stupid men have FK’d up a good idea, that idea being a government of, by, and for the People, being ALL PEOPLE as the Declaration claims that ALL MEN ARE ENDOWED.

    But for you Anon only some men have Rights as decided by a GANG of other men.

     
    • deb

      November 1, 2012 at 4:30 AM

      Hi Patriot “Neo”

      “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” PH

      Freedom/liberty is attained at a great cost. I hope to be brave enough when my time comes, because it will come–for all.

      It would be great to know others personally who have already chartered the waters and are not lost at see, who could impart some of their personal knowledge/experience, and would be there to cheer on others.

       
    • Don

      November 1, 2012 at 7:49 AM

      Hey Pay,

      @ “….as the Declaration claims that ALL MEN ARE ENDOWED….” Tell that to John, the DUDE who doesn’t like the DUDES who pledged EVERYTHING including their sacred Honor to what he,John, the DUDE calls a “piece of paper.” However, I have been told that I’m “well endowed” too. So that’s probably, maybe how John, the DUDE, will understand what ENDOWED means.

      @But for you Anon only some men have Rights as decided by a GANG of other men.

      Once again,this statement, makes me think that “some” of Anon4fun’s messages are being deleted too, because Ano4fun holds the “Declaration” in high esteem. I’m going to stick up for whoever is right, as best as I understand it.

       
      • John

        November 1, 2012 at 1:44 PM

        Where did John ever say he didn’t like the DUDES that pledged everything? John said, what does that piece of paper have to do with ME? The issue is not whether what those Men wrote, the issue is, REGARDLESS of what they wrote, whether true or not, WHAT does it have to do with ME? Are YOU Don, under some kind of believe that had those DUDES not write that piece of paper then things they wrote would never apply to you, i.e. all men are created equal? Do YOU Don rely on that piece of paper to make that statement those DUDES wrote to be so? Isn’t true Don, that some of things they wrote that are true as far as EVERY Man is concerned things that every Man already had? Did YOUR RIGHTS Don, come from that piece of paper or did your rights come from your creator? Were you Don, created from that piece of paper? If not, and if you are not a signatory of it, then what does it have to do with YOU? The fact YOU Don are created EQUAL among ALL Men comes from the Creator, Don. NOT that piece of paper. Those DUDES merely wrote what always existed.

         
  51. Anon4fun

    October 29, 2012 at 8:24 PM

    PatriotOne: {“Just like an individual has the right to preserve life and property by any means necessary including force.” DO NOT LIE TO ME ANYMORE Anon}

    I don’t understand this reply. Are you saying you don’t believe an individual has the right to preserve life and property by any means necessary including force? That would explain a lot.

    {Tell Me, factually what do you mean by “our territory”?}

    The territory over which We the People of the United States of America claim sovereignty. Those who are against this claim thereby put themselves at enmity with us. Maybe these enemies have what they consider a good reason for this. So be it, but they should not be surprised when it ends badly for them.

    {But for you Anon only some men have Rights as decided by a GANG of other men.}

    This is another nonsense, though, like most of your argument, it’s colorful nonsense.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_language

     
    • Don

      October 29, 2012 at 9:32 PM

      @ at enmity with us
      This seems to be what we are doing to each other. A house divided cannot stand. Once again, I feel like taking my toys & finding another sandbox.

       
    • PatriotOne

      October 29, 2012 at 9:54 PM

      @ Anon,
      “I don’t understand this reply. Are you saying you don’t believe an individual has the right to preserve life and property by any means necessary including force? That would explain a lot.”

      I state it this way:
      no Man has a Right to preserve life other than His own life provided that preserving His life trespasses upon no other Men.

      HITLER attempted to preserve his life by any means necessary, he had no Right to do such a thing. Hitler also claimed he was doing his dasterdly deeds for the benefit of the opressed “German” people. Hitler paid STUPID men to kill other men, the STUPID men believing the “HOMELAND” was more important than life itself.

      Do I have a Right to preserve the life of My family by taking food out of your house?

      I do not believe these united States was created to preserve the States or the union, but was created to preserve life. Wherein the founders Declared that any government being contrary to freedom should be cast off sua sponte (by the Man effected at the very moment it should be done).

      “The territory over which We the People of the United States of America claim sovereignty.”

      Sovereignty taken from the KING, not taken from the People. The USA did NOT create anything. The People took sovereignty from the KING and made their selves Kings over their individual SELF, NOT over other Men.

      Why would the People claim freedom from a KING only to place a KING of 535 men over the People instead?

      Or am I just stupid? Am I supposed to think that freedom is being forced to purchase permission from a stranger to sustain My own life?

      Anon, If you are not a liar or instigastor you are basically stupid. You can thank government schools.

       
      • Don

        October 30, 2012 at 6:03 PM

        Re:”HOMELAND”

        Seems like I have heard this word here “where we are too, venue or no venue.I think it,”Homeland” had something to do with “security” or something like that, didn’t it?

         
  52. Don

    October 29, 2012 at 9:09 PM

    John, you say,

    From day one it was only a republican FORM of government based on a majority vote i.e. mob rule!

    Why didn’t you say up front that you have been alive for at least 175 years & you were there FROM DAY ONE, & have FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE of how things happened. This is THE ONLY WAY you can possibly say what you do in the way you do. IF you say you have been alive for 175 years OR LONGER, I will & would have given you the benefit of the doubt you are telling the truth WHY ?? It’s very simple. I CANNOT prove you ARE NOT telling the truth. IF I am not being nosy, how long have you been alive? Just approximately?

     
    • John

      October 29, 2012 at 9:20 PM

      C’mon Don! Surely you have READ the organic constitution, yes? You know, the very form the founders signed? Surely you have read the Jefferson Manual that explains exactly how all bills are to be created, submitted, read, and voted on, yes? It is all based on majority vote, hence, mob rule!

      And based on your argument, have YOU been alive for a 175 years? Then how can YOU PROVE YOU are telling the truth based on your belief?

       
      • Don

        October 29, 2012 at 10:02 PM

        John
        Your message of>October 29, 2012 at 9:20 PM

        I am finite. Apparently you are not, & I am not saying you are OR are not finite. You may be a spirit being manifesting yourself as a flesh & blood being.The truth of the matter is,for me,I accept what has the ring of truth in it,same as you do IF you are finite. IF my sources are wrong,obviously I am wrong too. As far as “fairly recent” (<notice the quotes) man made Government, The Mayflower Compact is my beginning point. It would be a waste of time to continue with my conclusions, etc. until I know how you "look at" what you think about that document.So,lets go from there,start there, with the "Mayflower Compact."

         
      • John

        October 29, 2012 at 10:35 PM

        I prefer to start from the beginning if we are going to go there. So lets start with the Gensis compact.

        Genesis 1:26-30, to wit:

        26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
        27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
        28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
        29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
        30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

        Has God since changed this to:

        26 And God said, Let us make GOVERNMENT in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over MEN AND WOMEN, the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
        27 So God created GOVERNMENTS in his own image, in the image of God created he IT; FEDERAL and STATE created he IT.
        28 And God blessed GOVERNMENTS, and God said unto IT, Be fruitful, and multiply, and ENSLAVE the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over MEN AND WOMEN, the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
        29 And God said, Behold, I have given GOVERNMENTS every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to GOVERNMENTS MEN AND WOMEN it shall be for meat.
        30 And to every GOVERNMENT beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

        Has God changed it to something like that?

        Last I seen, the Bible, acknowledged by the United States Congress in proclamation 5018 and your public law 97-280 96 STAT. 1211 as the word of God, clearly and repeatedly states that God owns the creation and everything in it.

        So what does any other man made compact made before I arrived in this world on this earth have to do with me? Where did I ever sign up to anything created by other men in the past before I got here that would have given my consent to it?

         
      • Don

        October 29, 2012 at 10:17 PM

        John,
        P.S. READ (red) It ?? I almost know it by heart same as I sing through my nose by ear. I have not only Read (red) it innumerable times,I have spent YEARS studying it,using the source of convention notes, etc.,EARLY State & National Court opinions, rulings, decisions, etc. & remember Paul WAS a Roman Citizen but he was ALSO a MAN of “YHWH.”

         
  53. PatriotOne

    October 29, 2012 at 10:14 PM

    GETTING BACK TO THE INTENT OF Alfred’s QESTION:

    Are We dead or alive?

    I find it hard to believe that if I was standing in front of a JUDGE, he a Man and me a Man, that he could not see or hear Me? And that if he determined Me to be dead why he is not also dead?

    It can only be concluded that a robbery is taking place at that very moment, Me is being robbed.

    “”The principle that the majority have a right to rule the minority, or that the minority have a right to rule the majority, practically resolves all government into a mere contest between two bodies of men, as to which of them shall be masters, and which of them slaves; a contest, that – however bloody – can, in the nature of things, never be finally closed, so long as man refuses to be a slave.””

    http://lysanderspooner.org/node/44

     
    • Don

      October 29, 2012 at 10:22 PM

      PatriotOne
      October 29, 2012 at 10:14 PM
      Well said.

       
    • John

      October 30, 2012 at 8:41 PM

      This is why I don’t think it is about any presumption of death. Of course the judge can see you are alive. So how can he presume you are dead when you are in front him speaking? It isn’t about presumption of death. It is about presumption of who you are. You are presumed to be the executor of the decedent’s estate. The decedent being the dead entity created by the STATE aka NAME Estate. You aren’t the executor of that estate. You are the beneficiary of that estate. That is what needs to be corrected.

       
      • George

        November 9, 2012 at 12:21 AM

        quoting John

        October 30, 2012 at 8:41 PM

        “This is why I don’t think it is about any presumption of death. Of course the judge can see you are alive. So how can he presume you are dead when you are in front him speaking? It isn’t about presumption of death. It is about presumption of who you are. You are presumed to be the executor of the decedent’s estate. The decedent being the dead entity created by the STATE aka NAME Estate. You aren’t the executor of that estate. You are the beneficiary of that estate. That is what needs to be corrected.”

        Hi John, what about the Cestui que vie Act of 1666?

        http://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/Cha2/18-19/11/introduction

        from my understanding of it so far it is the main reason of the presumption of death.

        looking forward to reading more here. thanks

         
      • John

        November 9, 2012 at 5:59 PM

        George, the Cestui que vie Act of 1666 was established so when one goes out to sea and never returns, after 7 years it allowed the rightful heirs to come in and claim that person’s estate and allowed for them to have the assets of that estate. IF the government was presuming you are dead based on that Act, then wouldn’t there need to be a case filed with the probate court to allow the government to claim that estate and claim there are no known heirs of that person presumed dead? If they did that then that would be fraud because they KNOW you are not dead and they KNOW who your rightful heirs are because they have all that information on file within their own system. They would be knowingly with intent committing fraud!

        The NAME itself is just a fictitious entity, so that entity itself IS dead. A fictitious entity does not live or breathe. It’s DEAD! All fictitious entities are dead entities. So the NAME itself IS a decedent. The decedent NAME estate. YOU the living man are the naked-owner of the usufruct. But because of your actions by your own free will having taken on the role of acting as executor/trustee/fiduciary of that decedent NAME estate, you are presumed to be the executor/trustee/fiduciary of that decedent NAME estate.

        IF they were to come to YOU face to face and they were trying to IDENTIFY YOU as BEING that NAME and issued their SS Number, then at that moment they just rebutted that there is a decedent since they can see YOU are standing in front of them and that you are not dead!

        The Infant is not YOU! The Infant is the fictitious entity created by the State. The NAME is the title of the Trust/Securities Account. The NAME being a DEAD ENTITY is the DECEDENT NAME ESTATE.

        The question is, WHICH ROLE are YOU playing regarding that decedent NAME estate? Are YOU the executor, or trustee, or some fiduciary of that decedent NAME estate? Or are YOU the living beneficiary of that NAME trust and the naked-owner of the usufruct?

        Since YOU began MIS-USING that decedent NAME estate by having all the bills mailed to YOU and by your VOLUNTEERING to accept those bills and send in payments for those bills, YOU took on the roll of acting as the executor/trustee of that estate.

        Because you didn’t know any better and made a MISTAKE by having meddled in government affairs you had no business meddling in, now you need to correct the MISTAKE so they can go in and change their internal records that YOU are not the executor/trustee/fiduciary of that decedent NAME estate, but rather you are the living beneficiary of that estate.

        YOU the living beneficiary are presumed missing or lost at sea, but they never actually presume you are dead where they go into probate and claim the estate. That is why the estate is still there waiting for YOU the living beneficiary to return and claim your rightful use of the usufruct. The last time YOU as the living beneficiary has been heard from was when they created that decedent NAME estate and stamped your footprints on their record to identify the beneficiary who is the real CREDITOR of that NAME estate that the Government will obtain its CREDIT from by your USE of their decedent NAME estate, where ALL PROPERTY becomes VESTED in the STATE. This allows the government to USE all that property which is all just PAPER created to monetize and securitize off of to create its CREDIT to use to fund its foreign occupancy and its Army.

        The Birth Certificate is issued to YOU and serves two purposes. One is for you to USE that decedent NAME entity for all functions of conducting commerce within their artificial system by USING that decedent NAME as a transmitting utility, and second id to USE that certificate as your RECEIPT to obtain full and complete INDEMNITY as the naked-owner of the usufruct. The STATE having received and benefitted from all YOUR ENERGY/LABOR by their usurpation of the usufruct that your creator gave you the man, complete dominion of, the STATE became the usufructary of the usufruct per the rules of usufruct they are bound to operate under per their international law as a signatory to the 1907 Hague convention.

        The decedent NAME is a trust, all public officials of government are all executors, administrators and trustees of that NAME trust estate. Under international law those trusts are subject to the rules of usufruct. The usufruct is every THING created by the creator that was given to YOU the living man. The Pope claiming himself to be the Vicar of Christ and the RULER OF THE WORLD, has used his corporate Vatican to set up and establish a trust to hold all of God’s creation in to protect it all from man’s destruction and claiming ownership of God’s creation. God gave man dominion, not ownership.

        Webster’s 1828

        dominion (-yun), n. [L. dominium, dominion, from dominus, master, lord.]
        1. Sovereign or supreme authority; the power of governing and controlling; domination; supremacy; sovereignty; independent possession; control.
        2. In law, power to direct, control, use, and dispose of at pleasure; right of possession and use without being accountable; as, the private dominion of individuals.
        3. Territory under a government; region; country; district governed; or within the limits of the authority of a prince or state; that which is governed or controlled; as, the British dominions.
        4. [D–] Specifically, the Dominion of Canada.
        5. Predominance; ascendancy.
        6. [pl.] An order of angels. [See Dominations.]
        Whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers. –Col. i. 16.

        The Old Dominion; the State of Virginia, formerly known as the Dominion.
        Syn. –Authority, government, jurisdiction, territory, region.

        Dominion is use, control and possession, not ownership.

        Dominium is ownership, not dominion.

        Webster’s 1828

        dominium, n. [L. from dominus, lord.] In law, ownership; authority; complete title.

        Accordingly, here is Father Phelan of St. Louis, addressing his flock in the “Western Watchman”, June 27, 1913:
        “…. Why is it that in this country, where we have only seven per cent of the population, the Catholic church is so much feared? She is loved by all her children and feared by everybody. Why is it that the Pope has such tremendous power? Why, the Pope is the ruler of the world. All the emperors, all the kings, all the princes, all the presidents of the world, are as these altar boys of mine. The Pope is the ruler of the world.”
        Man is the living Gods of their artificial world and as living Gods man cannot be seen within their artificial system. They can only see “persons” and “titles”.
        As a living man they cannot SEE Me, they cannot HEAR Me, they cannot RECOGNIZE Me, they cannot ACKNOWLEDGE Me, WITHIN their artificial world. This is why they MUST ALWAYS get Me to come in and make a FALSE CLAIM to their TITLE they created as a “person” in order to judge Me and pass their full liability onto Me! They NEED Me to come in and SIN so they can take my body or real property I use and have dominion of as the SACRAFICE upon their alter to pay for MY SIN!
        I was once BLIND, but now I SEE. I was living among the DEAD and now I have RISEN again as the resurrection and have been REBORN again and I know who I am and WHAT I am not!
        In the REAL world created by My creator, there is no such thing as COMMERCE, MONEY or BARTER! There is only LOVE and MY purpose here is only to DO MORE FOR OTHERS than for myself! For he who LOVES everyone and everything has FULFILLED THE LAW! If I truly LOVE someone then I could NEVER charge them for something. If I truly LOVED THEM then I would just freely GIVE to them what I have. If I expect something in return for ANYTHING I give them, then I don’t truly LOVE them and I have not fulfilled the LAW! I have instead clinged to these material things of this world when all my riches are waiting for me in heaven.
        The creator cast SATAN down to the earth and gave SATAN this earth as his realm to rule over and SATAN has established all these earthly Kingdoms to lead man into TEMPTATION to get man to accept SATAN as his God and take man’s soul from the creator. I was born into this world as a free man creator in the imagine of my creator and I was given dominion over this earth. But from my arrival here I was INDOCTRINATED AND DECEIVED to give into SATAN’S TEMPTATION and unknowingly took that bait out of pure ignorance and not knowing any better. Now that I SEE again and have risen from the DEAD having been resurrected and reborn again, I am being TESTED just like the metaphor told in the story of JOB where I am going through the persecution to test my faith to see if I truly live by my creator’s will to fulfill his law by doing everything for his Glory or if I am still a belligerent that is merely just trying to get out of something. Just like the story of JOB it is now up to Me to be able to LET EVERYTHING GO that is OF this world and keep my FAITH in My creator to fulfill his law and do everything here for his Glory as I am not OF this world.
        I came into this world with NOTHING and I will leave this world with NOTHING, with the exception of maybe being able to take with me the EXPERIENCE I had while I was here. If My creator meant for Me to OWN anything, then he would have allowed Me to take everything I own with Me when I leave here. But I don’t get to take anything with Me, not even this body I use while I am here. While I am here all I can do his work to fulfill My creator’s will by doing everything in his Glory!

         
  54. Don

    October 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM

    John
    October 29, 2012 at 10:35 PM
    Good, Great beginning,but you seem to be forgetting that when “Eve chose to go along with “the serpent’s reasoning, & Adam went along with Eve’s “suggestion” that is when it hit the fan & I mean BIGTIME Let me digress somewhat. Did you ever wonder why “The Serpent” “approached” Eve instead of Adam ? Want a divine revelation answer? I’m going to give it anyway because there just might be somebody else reading this that might be interested. Satan, the serpent, KNEW he could not persuade Adam to fall for for his cunning subtle ways but he also KNEW Eve had a strong influence on Adam. If it was the “English Language” that was in use at the time, do you know what the first word out of Adam’s mouth was when he first saw Eve? It was WOW !!! It has been this way ever since & the women know this. They know where the Goldmine really is. But there are “Godly women & men along with the ungodly women & men.Anyway,when Adam,also through,the “WOW” Lady “experimented” as they did, the Good LORD in essence said, Ok you have made your choice now live with it. You have chosen to obey my adversary, you will now reap what you have sewn. The ONLY times “God” has put his nose back in was when needed to be done so as to not completely throw out of wack HIS OVERALL PLAN. After all, He is STILL the Commander & Chief. He has allowed mankind to do anything & everything possible to find out the HARD way that unless it is done HIS WAY, it is futile. And here we are.

     
  55. colleen

    October 30, 2012 at 8:42 AM

    SOLUTIONS!!!

    You’ve Been Declared Legally DEAD – Here’s How To Correct The Record

    Submitted by RPvGoldman Sachs on Sun, 10/21/2012 – 16:51

    in

    · Daily Paul Liberty Forum

    Background Summary: In 1933 the United States of America went bankrupt for the 3rd time. (1795, 1861, 1933, 1999) At that time the PTB needed to collateralize a restructuring of the corporation in order to remain in control. This is the reason that the gold was called in. (See: HJR 192) All the people in this country – while alive – are creditors. Once you die – your estate can only build up debt because there is no living being left to “create.”

    What FDR did in 1933 essentially flipped that in order to turn everyone into DEBTORS (by their unknown consent). 2 minutes after you were born – a death certificate was created. From that point on you are considered a “debtor” and “trustee” of the estate.

    HERE’S HOW TO CORRECT IT -> Go to it TODAY!

    (Can you just “see” the lines at the IRS offices?-ha)

    Go over to your IRS office. Tell them you need to correct the record and sit down with an agent. Give them the name – and the social security number – it will have you listed as a “decedent” – you tell them obviously that record needs to be corrected because you are alive.

    Get a confirmation in writing before you leave.

    If they give you any problems refer to IRM 21.7.13.3.2.3 “An infant is the decedent of an estate or grantor, owner or trustor of a trust, guardianship, receivership or custodianship that has yet to receive an SSN.”

    http://creoharmony.blogspot.com/ Don’t worry if this is confusing – the instructions above are all you really need to be concerned with for now.

    You are now of lawful age and have received a social security number therefore you cannot be a “decedent.” You go from being the “trustee” of a decedent’s trust to the EXECUTOR of your own.

    http://www.irs.gov/irm/part21/irm_21-007-013r.html -> Do a page find for “21.7.13.3.2.3” once then hit find again. It states at #2:

    “An infant is the decedent of an estate or grantor, owner or trustor of a trust, guardianship, receivership or custodianship that has yet to receive an SSN.”

    Every debt against the estate is then nullified because the creditor/grantor is alive.

    When you are dead – you can no longer “create” therefore your estate can only build up debt. While you are alive your estate builds credit because you can create.

    It’s that simple.

    This is what they did in 1933 – in order to turn all the creditors into debtors – by making them legally “dead.”

    Blessings – spread the word.

    …and welcome to the land of the living :)

     
    • John

      October 30, 2012 at 4:52 PM

      This thinking is flawed. If there is no living then there is nothing to grant the US its credit. All credit comes from the men and women of the nation. They don’t declare YOU dead. The create an artificial entity which THAT is dead upon its very creation. It’s just an artificial entity which IS DEAD!

      The entity is dead which is stillborn upon its creation. YOU are living beneficiary who instead of being recognized as such, you are instead recognized as the executor of the dead entity estate. The only thing that needs to be corrected in the record is that YOU are not the executor of that estate, but the beneficiary of that estate. The STATE is executor, and its judicial members are the trustees.

       
      • colleen

        October 30, 2012 at 5:38 PM

        So, why don’t the judicial members act as trustees?

         
      • John

        October 30, 2012 at 6:36 PM

        Because they have you willing to act as trustee instead

         
      • Don

        October 30, 2012 at 6:19 PM

        Re:judicial members.
        Will you kindly give an example of what a “judicial” member” is??? I don’t believe you are going to find easier “prey” in/with Colleen. Why haven’t you responded to my response to your: “In the beginning comment? “

         
      • John

        October 30, 2012 at 6:40 PM

        Judge, clerk, prosecutor, attorney…

         
      • colleen

        October 30, 2012 at 8:17 PM

        Sure-when I was dead, but when life is proved, then I run the show and tell the
        ser-vant’s what to do.

        AND Don, when you write-find easier “prey” in/with Colleen, YOU really wonder why John DOESN’T respond to you? Think about it AND reread what you write.

         
      • John

        October 30, 2012 at 8:37 PM

        My point is, if the Infant ain’t you, and the infant being just a dead fictitious entity, and it could only be created as a dead entity, then that would eliminate all presumptions of any death. How can there be a presumption of death if the very entity created IS dead?

        There is no need to prove you are alive. They know you are alive. What they need to know is not that you are alive, but WHO you are and who you are not.

        You aren’t presumed dead. You are presumed to be the executor of the decedent’s estate. But you aren’t the executor, the STATE is the executor. You are the beneficiary of the decedent’s estate. Once you correct the record that you are not the executor, but the beneficiary, then you get to give orders as to what you want or need from the decedent’s estate that you are the real creditor of.

        This seems to be more logical than we are presumed dead. We are simply presumed to be the wrong party of that estate.

         
  56. Don

    October 30, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    John
    October 30, 2012 at 6:40 PM
    Judge, clerk, prosecutor, attorney…

    BS. It ain’t that way NO MO,NOW, due to the “merger of law & equity & the “development” (still developing) of the law, the Judge, clerk, prosecutor, attorney are just an extension of the EXECUTIVE. The Judicial Act of 1948 (more appropriate legislation) eliminated The Judicial Power. Today, Yes, we do have “Courts of Record,” BUT, they are “Statutory Courts of Record.” Look! It is a waste of everyone’s time for me to just give my opinion. The words above are not my opinion.

     
    • John

      October 30, 2012 at 7:29 PM

      Well if you believe it ain’t that way no mo, then please don’t tell that last two attorneys I responded to thanking them for volunteering to come forth as the trustee for the NAME trust and fulfill his fiduciary duty to see the account is settled properly. Then again, perhaps maybe that is why they disappeared never to be heard from again. What do I know. I just presumed it was because they didn’t want to be trustee.

       
      • Don

        October 30, 2012 at 8:21 PM

        John
        October 30, 2012 at 7:29 PM

        I’m simply saying that it’s ALL Executive. ONE>UNITARY>UNIT

        “All this legislative machinery of martial law, military coercion, and political disfranchisement is avowedly for that purpose and none other.”

        “… here is a bill of attainder against 9,000,000 (million) people at once. It disfranchises them by hundreds of thousands and degrades them all…” President Andrew Johnson, March 23,1867

        That which is stated above has continued from then until now & continues on. Today, what is happening is an extension of what is stated by President Andrew Johnson.

        I’m not going to comment to you anymore until you answer my response to where you wanted to begin which I said: Good, Great Beginning. You have not responded. to my comment/message.
        You don’t like the “Mayflower compact” do you? I already know your answer to that question. That’s what I wanted to start/begin with , but you said, NO, let’s begin with the beginning YOU wanted to begin with & I said ok, Good,Great beginning. but it sure ended abruptly. Why? Believe it or not, I know why. Unless YOU can stay on top of everything, you just “back up & punt.”

         
      • John

        October 30, 2012 at 8:49 PM

        I did not see anything in your response requiring some answer from me. It appeared to be a statement, not a question. You are entitled to your beliefs. But if you want an answer in response to your statement based on a presumption your statement is accurate, I can give you one with one word. REPENT! The good Lord is a loving Lord and he FORGIVES. REPENT!

         
  57. Anon4fun

    October 30, 2012 at 6:59 PM

    Don: {Why haven’t you responded to my response to your: “In the beginning comment? “}

    Probably for the same reason John has failed to respond to my requests for explanation about other of John’s “contributions” to this page, specifically:

    1. The definition of “fiction” used in John’s comment: “All TITLES are nothing but fiction created in a fictitious IMAGE of what is real.”

    2. Actual text from the cited section to support John’s claim that “all who hold public office come under Title 8 USC, Section §1481.”

    3. Actual text from the cited section to support John’s claim that “under Title 22 USC, Foreign Relations and Intercourse, Section §611, a Public Official is considered a foreign agent.”

    John does not even have the courtesy to disappear after being caught, but instead presses onward dutifully toward the objective of misdirecting the readership of this blog with a landslide of bovine manure. FYI, you’re feeding a troll, Don.

     
    • Don

      October 30, 2012 at 8:38 PM

      Hello, my mentor,
      @ John does not even have the courtesy to disappear after being caught..”

      Sometimes,he does disappear.
      Anon, I sure hope you got my response to/about the 39 Masochists. I was being Fuh C shus. PLEASE understand that.

       
      • John

        October 30, 2012 at 8:55 PM

        Being caught? Caught what?

         
    • Don

      October 30, 2012 at 8:45 PM

      Anon4fun

      October 30, 2012 at 6:59 PM

      John might be a “Double Agent.” Still, I am leaning against that.

       
      • John

        October 30, 2012 at 8:57 PM

        john ain’t no agent and John ain’t never worked for no govmint

         
  58. Don

    October 30, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    John

    October 30, 2012 at 6:35 PM

    When a local agent bothers you and doesn’t know, they soon do know once that little screen of theirs in their little police car pops up.

    How many times has the screen popped up in regards to you,OR who the don’t knows think is you?

     
  59. Anon4fun

    October 30, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    John, in regards to your belated reply which just popped up, who do you think you’re kidding?

    1. You said: {all who hold public office come under Title 8 USC, Section §1481.}

    I responded: {How so? Can you paste the relevant text? I just read the section and do not see how it leads to your conclusion. By my reading, it addresses “acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality,” which hardly applies to your local sheriff.}

    Your response to my response was to quote from the section: {A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—}

    Apparently you can’t read too good, because this makes my point, not yours. This part of the code is about those “with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality,” not “all who hold public office” as you claim. Your own citation proves this.

    2. You said: {Under Title 22 USC, Foreign Relations and Intercourse, Section §611, a Public Official is considered a foreign agent.}

    I responded: {I can’t find the phrase “public official” or the equivalent anywhere in this. Can you paste the specific text you are referring to?}

    So you paste from the section at length with no indication of which parts pertain to your claim, except to ask: {Are public officials not a “person” who acts as an agent, representative, employee, or servant under the control of a FOREIGN PRINCIPAL, i.e, Foreign UNITED STATES, INC, and FOREIGN STATE OF XXXXX?}

    As this is the very question you yourself are supposed to be answering, we are no further toward unraveling your convoluted nonsense than when we started. In the next paragraph, you go back to repeating your claim with the usual overuse of upper-case letters, still with zero support from the code.

    3. Stop trying to muddy the waters and misdirect the efforts of honest research. The readers of this blog are not fools.

     
    • Don

      October 30, 2012 at 8:42 PM

      Anon4fun

      October 30, 2012 at 8:35 PM

      MAN !!! This is gettin GOOD !!!

       
    • Don

      October 30, 2012 at 8:53 PM

      @ “we are no further toward unraveling your convoluted nonsense than when we started”

      Oh! My!! I sure hope you don’t get upset with me.

       
    • John

      October 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM

      I guess we read different. I read it for what it says. And this was not based of my research. This is actually from Rod Class in his research. The part I posted the first time comes directly from his paper work that he has used successfully in the courts.

       
      • Don

        October 30, 2012 at 9:19 PM

        And this was not based of my research. This is actually from Rod Class in his research.

        I hope you are not getting ready to shift the blame. If so,don’t shift your share of it.

         
      • John

        October 30, 2012 at 9:31 PM

        I’m not shifting anything. I was told there are serious researchers here. I know you don’t me here, but I think most if not all here do know Rod Class and I consider him a very good researcher. That part on the relinquishing citizenship is right out his paper work that he has used successfully. I was pointing this out to show what was being said on that is not just some fabrication or misreading of the code. That very reading of the code has been used in the courts with success and his paper work is all over the internet. If what I posted right out of his paper work has held up in court, then how can it be a misreading of the code? Unless the Judge misread it the same as we have allegely misread it? Blame? No, try credit.

         
  60. Don

    October 30, 2012 at 9:14 PM

    @ “I did not see anything in your response requiring some answer from me”

    Yes,when something is answered that cannot be refuted, the answer is sufficient, Nothing else is necessary except I do try & at least say, thank you,when someone responnds to my comment/ message. At least that much. I don’t think the word “proud” is a good word. The Father said: This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. He did not say “proud of.” I did ask you what your thoughts were re: The Mayflower Compact & your non/no response to that question is a clear answer. I think it’s close to being a sacred document. Repent?? Maybe I am incorrigible. If I am, I’m too far gone for repentance. Just thought I should insert something you might agree with.

     
    • John

      October 30, 2012 at 9:25 PM

      Isn’t the Mayflower Compact written by man? What does that have to do with me?

      Yes, repent. That is if you have woken up and are ready to return to your creator and let go of the earthly possessions here. The bible is filled with warnings from the creator warning man and it appears man for the most part is just not willing to listen. I guess that ego is a pretty powerful thing. But it appears now many are starting to wake up and beginning to see again. Only time will tell. In the end, I believe this is something each one of us will have to do on our own. No one can do this part for us.

       
  61. Anon4fun

    October 30, 2012 at 9:28 PM

    John: “I guess we read different.”

    Read what different? I still don’t know what text in the code you are trying to use in support of your claims. Quoting entire sections does not add anything useful, especially when they appear to say the exact opposite of the deeper meanings you find in them. There is no logical connection between anything in the USC and your interpretations of it. You got nothing. Otherwise, a concise post with on-point quotes from the code would get the job done.

     
    • John

      October 30, 2012 at 9:47 PM

      (1) any person who acts as an agent, representative, employee, or servant, or any person who acts in any other capacity at the order, request, or under the direction or control, of a foreign principal or of a person any of whose activities are directly or indirectly supervised, directed, controlled, financed, or subsidized in whole or in major part by a foreign principal, and who directly or through any other person

      Isn’t a Public official a person who acts as an agent, representative, employee, or sevant of the United States or any State of XXXX???

      It doesn’t say the words “public official”, but it most certainly describes public officials. What IS a public official? Is a public official NOT an agent for the US or a State? Is a public official not a “representative” of the United States or a State? Is a public official NOT an employee of the United States or a State of XXXX?

      Is a Sheriff not an AGENT for the Foreign corporate County? Is a Sheriff not an EMPLOYEE of the foreign corporate County? Is a Sheriff NOT a “representative” of the foreign corporate County?

      Is a Sheriff NOT a person acting under the direction or control of a foreign principal such as the foreign corporate County?

      Is a Sheriff NOT ANY of those things described? Are any public officials NOT ANY of those things described?

      From what I read it says they most certainly do fit in those descriptions. Maybe you read that differently.

       
    • Don

      October 31, 2012 at 9:37 PM

      PatriotOne
      @ “I am not ‘directing’ my replies at you….. ”
      I agree with you even IF your replies are not directed to me. When I see a message from you, that starts with: @Don, I have no choice other than to think that you are sending it to me.

       
  62. Don

    October 30, 2012 at 9:36 PM

    @Isn’t the Mayflower Compact written by man?
    Was/is Moses a man? what about,King(<TITLE) David, Samuel,Joshua,Matthew,Mark,Paul,John? Then by your reasoning, what do they have to do with me?

     
    • John

      October 30, 2012 at 9:56 PM

      was the man that wrote the Mayflower Compact writing that from the word of God? Didn’t Moses write down what God told him? Did the others write what the son of God taught them?

      What does the Mayflower Compact have to do with the teachings of God or Jesus? Wouldn’t that be written in the book of books if did have anything to do with the word of God?

      And while the bible was written by man, what one may choose to believe about that book is irrelevant to me. What IS relevant is that CONgress accepts that book as being the Word of God. And their courts accept God’s Law as the Supreme Law that supersedes ANY man made CONstitution or law that is contrary to God’s Law where man declares his law is VOID!

      Robin v. Hardaway

      “Now all acts of legislature apparently contrary to natural right and justice, are, in our laws, and must be in the nature of things, considered as void. The laws of nature are the laws of God; whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth. A legislature must not obstruct our obedience to him from whose punishments they cannot protect us. All human constitutions which contradict his laws, we are in conscience bound to disobey. Such have been the adjudications of our courts of justice. And cited 8 Co. 118. a. Bonham’s case. Hob. 87; 7 Co. 14. a. Calvin’s case.”

      PUBLIC LAW 97-280-OCT. 4, 1982, 96 STAT. 1211
      Public Law 97-280
      97th Congress
      Joint Resolution
      Authorizing and requesting the President to proclaim 1983 as the “Year of the Bible” .
      Whereas the Bible, the Word of God, has made a unique contribution in shaping the United States as a distinctive and blessed nation and people;
      On February 3rd, 1983, President Ronald Regan signed Proclamation 5018 – Year of the Bible.

      Even man’s law dictionary defines natural law as God’s Law and says it is both anterior and superior to positive law.

      Oxford 5th

      natural law: The permanent underlying basis of all law. The philosophers of ancient Greece, where the idea of natural law originated, considered that there was a kind of perfect justice given to man by nature and that man’s laws should conform to this as closely as possible. Theories of natural law have been an important part of jurisprudence throughout history. Natural law is distinguished from positive law, which is the body of law imposed by the state. Natural law is both anterior and superior to positive law.

      Well regardless of what anyone else may choose to believe about that man written book called the Bible, I for one gladly say, I ACCEPT THE GOVMINTS CLAIM ON THIS ONE!!! Now what?

       
      • Don

        October 30, 2012 at 11:09 PM

        John, you say
        @ “CONgress accepts that book as being the Word of God”

        Is that Right? CONgress? what do you mean by accept? More important, what does CONgress mean by accept?

        I,Don,say: It’s obvious that the Robin v. Hardaway excerpt is a joke, to CONgress.

        1983 as the “Year of the Bible”. Why not every year? This is nothing more than “window dressing” & evil pious solemn mockery

        @ I for one gladly say,I ACCEPT THE GOVMINTS CLAIM ON THIS ONE!!!

        I DON”T !! CONgress (overall) is phonier than a 3 dollar federal reserve note.

         
  63. sem

    October 30, 2012 at 10:36 PM

    The basis of Spiritual Warfare is not so much (destruction) as physical warfare; in that the deprivation is moreso at REASON. Most humans are so caught-up on the PHYSICAL (five senses), that we have difficulty realizing the SPIRITUAL; it is therefore very easy to confuse the language.

    The ‘gist’ of SPIRITUAL warfare is that the essence of life is Spirit and that the PHYSICAL body is an earth suit; whence, we are all living in a Spiritual World.

    I contend that once the People realize that the rampant despiritualization of the sundry institutions, is at its core, the very devitalization of same; at that time, the content within these margins (particularly in reference with the subject) shall be different.

     
  64. Anon4fun

    October 30, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    {It doesn’t say the words “public official”, but it most certainly describes public officials. What IS a public official? Is a public official NOT an agent for the US or a State? Is a public official not a “representative” of the United States or a State? Is a public official NOT an employee of the United States or a State of XXXX?}

    A public official can be, but does not have to be.

    {Is a Sheriff not an AGENT for the Foreign corporate County? Is a Sheriff not an EMPLOYEE of the foreign corporate County? Is a Sheriff NOT a “representative” of the foreign corporate County?

    Is a Sheriff NOT a person acting under the direction or control of a foreign principal such as the foreign corporate County?}

    As before, a sheriff can be these things, but does not have to be. A sheriff can also be an elected official at the county level.

    Your argument fails because it is based on a false premise. You over-generalize the “foreign agent” property to “all who hold public office” based on a limited sample. Sure, some government officials are indeed agents of a foreign corporation, but over-generalization in aid of rhetorical effect is an infamous fallacy of anarchist agitation against on the American republic.

     
  65. Don

    October 31, 2012 at 4:57 PM

    To: PatriotOne

    @ “The ONLY thing GovCo says it means is because GovCo has a gun pointed at My head because they, like My Dad believe the GovCo BS.”

    RIGHT !! Couldn’t agree more.

    In this modern “Tech” age with all of it’s advancements,& from some “puzzling” at best, “happenings” I am forced to have to believe,that, AT TIMES, SOMEBODY,him/her/they,have a way(s) of deleting,e.g.parts of messages, even tho it will show up on my end as complete IF I am the sender,but you do not receive it on your end,the way it was sent from me. There have been too many comments from others that alerted me to knowing for sure something suspicious is happening. IF for example, & this is just one of many, but IF you send me a message, & ask TWO questions, & I respond BUT I only answer ONE, & then you send me another message asking me why I did not answer the 2nd question, and you get NO response, you know yourself, there is something wrong, it’s either me refusing to answer for whatever reason)s) OR I am not receiving your ALL of your message. I do not play these kind of games, but this kind of game is, AT TIMES being played ON / WITH me. It’s only “played” enough, however, so as not to make it noticeable. I’m with you brother, It’s clear to me YOU DO have FRONT LINE Experience. YOU are NOT an IVORY TOWER GURU. I’m with you PatriotOne. I see what you’re saying CLEARLY because I have some “front line experience” TOO !

     
    • PatriotOne

      October 31, 2012 at 5:12 PM

      @Don,
      when I reply the html frame is sometimes corrupted. I am not ‘directing’ my replies at you I’m simply voicing my observations, mostly towards Anon4 as “he” is a believer that GovCo is a legitmate MASTER when in fact GovCo is nothing more than a gang of men and women wearing costumes/titles and pointing guns demanding payment forcing People to purchase permission to sustain their lives.

      THAT IS ALL GovCo really is.

       
    • colleen

      October 31, 2012 at 6:54 PM

      YUP! Unless Alfred checks into this- there’s NOTHING worth writing about.

      intill then…..bu…by

       
    • Don

      November 3, 2012 at 1:25 AM

      Re:the GovCo BS.”

      When I get to feeling “empty” as is beginning to happen quite frequently lately,all I have to do is go back to good ol PatriotOne & see again what he has to say about the GovCo BS.” I think that’s what I’m going to call IT from now on,GovCo BS-ers.

       
  66. Don

    October 31, 2012 at 5:26 PM

    Thanks God for putting Me through HELL in order for ME to TRY to qualify passage through the pearly gates…

    This is exactly what “””God””” went through “””” himself”””” to qualify passage through the pearly gates, only the HELL he went through was much more HELLISH than most of us are able to grasp.

    Read JOB, & even JOB’s horror story was not as BAD as “”””” God’s”””””

    But, I understand also,that some things are beyond understanding until we mature more “mentally”

    You MAY like a good tasty sirloin steak. You have a little baby who is the “apple of your eye” Here you are enjoying your steak & since you ADORE your little baby, you want to share your pleasure with your little baby. So, you cut a tiny piece of you scrumptious sirloin & give it to your “child” & the child chokes to death, it was just to much to handle. Just reverse this & say it was me,not you, who gave the “apple of my eye” the tiny portion of the delicious steak.Now if it was a glass of “milk” you were enjoying.

     
    • PatriotOne

      October 31, 2012 at 5:37 PM

      @Don,
      I get it.
      It’s just that there are soooo many idiots believing in and enforcing the LIE.

      A RAPIST is a form of GOVERNMENT. But Anon4 and the like would call me crazy for saying and thinking such a thing, although it is fact + evidence = truth. A gang of 535 commonly referred to as CONGRESS, in the end, are not different than a RAPIST in effect but are different in method.

      The quest for free Men is to say the majic words that will be recognized and accepted as truth when in COURT.

       
      • Don

        November 7, 2012 at 7:53 AM

        PatriotOne,You are soooo RIGHT.

         
  67. Don

    October 31, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    John
    @October 31, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    Look DUDE,
    You are not confusing me. Oh No! You double standard 2 faced hypocrite. I promise you, you are in for a RUDE DUDE awakening. Guaranteed !! I only hope your wife & if you have children, do not suffer. You may not believe what I am saying, but your wife, et al will. What a tragedy. I get no pleasure at all in saying this. Who are YOU to tell me to “REPENT?” If no one else on this site has seen where you are REALLY coming from, “God” HELP US. You are partly truth & partly fiction, but I am not stupid enough to follow your direction to destruction.

     
    • John

      October 31, 2012 at 6:12 PM

      I was not telling YOU to repent. I was merely saying repent is the way to correct the mistake to come back to the creator and serve him. What YOU choose to do is entirely up to you.

       
      • Don

        October 31, 2012 at 7:18 PM

        @What YOU choose to do is entirely up to you.

        I did say you are “partly truth” and the statement above is what I mean.

         
  68. Don

    October 31, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    But Anon4 and the like would call me crazy

    Then instead of 1 in a row, there’s at least 2 in a row crazies, You & I.

    @The quest for free Men is to say the majic words that will be recognized and accepted as truth when in COURT.

    The ONLY “magic words” I know of, IN or OUT of “Court” is POW-POW. This is why I save what I can rake & scrape together for the OTHER “precious” “METAL.”

     
  69. Anon4fun

    October 31, 2012 at 6:35 PM

    PatriotOne:

    I understand that you have little to work with selling intellectually bankrupt anarchism to the savvy readers of this blog, but really you are overworking the propaganda manual and overplaying your hand by, all in the same post, 1) misrepresenting my position as being in favor of government as master, when anyone who has read my posts knows I have repeatedly said the opposite, 2) reintroducing the classic false dichotomy employed by toadies of the would-be plutocracy: either you are with us (i.e. those who would bring in an “anarcho-capitalist” reign of international billionaires, as in 1990s Russia, unchecked by the collective institutions of political power used by the middle class), or you are with the totalitarians, and 3) saying “GovCo is nothing more than a gang of men and women wearing costumes/titles and pointing guns demanding payment forcing People to purchase permission to sustain their lives,” which is pretty old school by now. That simplistic slogan was debunked around 2009.

     
    • Don

      October 31, 2012 at 7:42 PM

      @would-be plutocracy ??

      Isn’t Corporate Socialism a better definition? Anon, my mentor, when some people get oppressed SO MUCH, when there is nothing left to lose, e.g. you family, & ALL you earthly possessions temporary as the may be, it affects the mind MADLY. Think of someone who is dear to your heart,your pride & joy, & imagine your pride & joy is being tortured. You are NOT going to just sit back & enjoy the show. You are going to be moved into action. Some People, at least some, can only take so much. Personally, I realize that you are smart enough NOT to get into front line action, at least at this time. People like PatriotOne & me, dense as we are, made the humongous, superduper mistake by trying to reason with the reprobates & just simply say, look, what you are doing is immoral, cruel, barbaric, etc.& for that they turn around & come down on us like a bunch of starving ravening wolves for just asking them if they would at least show a little mercy. The difference in You,Anon, my mentor, & some of us,is, you know better than to do something like that,e.g. try & reason with “The Unreasonable.”

       
  70. Anon4fun

    October 31, 2012 at 9:42 PM

    Don: “Isn’t Corporate Socialism a better definition?”

    Socialism is only a stage in the process toward the international plutocracy’s goal: annihilation of the middle class – which is the inventive and productive class, the bearer of traditional culture, and the bulwark against tyranny – and the institutions, political and otherwise, that sustain it. The schemers play chess, not checkers, when building an empire. Fortunately, at the eleventh hour, many are learning to see their game for what it is. In America, as in Russia, the revolution of socialism was but the first wave. Final dispossession and cannibalization by the money powers is to occur through the follow-up revolution of privatization.

     
    • Don

      October 31, 2012 at 10:50 PM

      Anon4fun
      @annihilation of the middle class
      What about low class white trash like me?
      @ In America, as in Russia..
      One thing America & Russia have in common is, Russia has Courts,Judges, & Juries too !

      Hey deb IF you are reading this,Anon4fun is my mentor. He is much smarter than your average bear. I only pick the “cream of the crop.” They don’t call me the “Cherry Picker” for nuthin.

       
  71. Don

    October 31, 2012 at 10:07 PM

    To: Colleen

    @colleen
    @October 30, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    Colleen, you say in pertnent part: “AND Don, when you write-find easier “prey” in/with Colleen, YOU really wonder why John DOESN’T respond to you? Think about it AND reread what you write.

    No,Colleen,YOU need to Re READ what I WROTE, what I DID say. I said, & this is a cut & paste:

    I don’t believe you are going to find easier “prey” in/with Colleen.

    I did not say to,John :”find easier “prey” in/with Colleen

    I was simply saying to John,that because he was ignoring me, he wasn’t going to have an easier ttime convincing/playing around with you. I was complimenting you

     
    • colleen

      November 1, 2012 at 9:26 AM

      Thank you Don, MY mistake. It was the “prey” in/with-THAT through me off.

       
      • Don

        November 1, 2012 at 10:29 AM

        Thank you Heavenly Father for allowing Colleen to see ALL of what I said,& for not letting “a PART of my message be somehow deleted.” WHAT A RELIEF !! I had almost decided to throw in the towel.

        NOW, I can get some rest. Thank you Colleen. Thank you sincerely !!!

        “Prey, not pray.” Prey is defined as: one that is helpless or unable to resist attack.
        Is Colleen unable to resist attack? NO WAY Hose-a. Now I’m looking for Hose-B.

         
  72. Don

    October 31, 2012 at 10:31 PM

    deb
    October 31, 2012 at 9:20 PM
    HOOT :-)

    Hey deb, did you get my response to your response in the MOOA & the Mark of the Beast thread, thread, is that what it’s called? I’m still trying to learn computer terms. I don’t want to lose you. You are all I have, I hope.

     
    • deb

      November 1, 2012 at 12:00 AM

      hi Don
      yes i did–you’re gay Kentucky :-) email?

       
      • Don

        November 1, 2012 at 2:27 AM

        deb
        @November 1, 2012 at 12:00 AM

        I wasn’t too gay just a few minutes ago,but I am now, GAY that is. Yes it is wonderful to really be GAY.Thanks for uplifting me. I have posted my email at least 10 or more times, so I’m going to let you search for it. If “thread” is the proper word, it is on here too, already posted, for Colleen.

         
      • deb

        November 1, 2012 at 4:43 AM

        Hi Don
        re: November 1, 2012 at 2:27 AM

        Were you being “fuh C shus” :-/

         
      • Don

        November 1, 2012 at 8:12 AM

        deb
        November 1, 2012 at 4:43 AM
        Hi Don
        re: November 1, 2012 at 2:27 AM

        Were you being “fuh C shus” :-/

        NO!! Not 1 iota. BUT, for anyone else who may be reading this, I am “sometimes” GAY, when GAY meant what it did, in the song, My ol Kentucky Home, all the darkies are gay. I am not “GAY” as the word is meant & understood today. A famous newscaster recently “came out of the closet” & I was reading a “commentary about it, & one “IT” said: Oh he just tilts his head so sweetly, I just love him so much, Fred.

        MY GOD !!!

         
  73. deb

    November 1, 2012 at 12:01 AM

    Hi Cody
    October 27, 2012 at 3:47 PM
    if you are born of God, then old things are passed away (id’s, ssn’s, dl’s etc.,) all things are become new(including Cody bar Jonah?), your citizenship is in heaven and you are an ambassador for Christ. As such you cannot be involved in worldly affairs as this would suggest serving two masters. An ambassador represents the government he is from, obeys its laws, answers to the king. There is no such thing as two citizenships, (He is a jealous “God”) that would imply a double minded man–unstable in all his ways. Paul would have been spared had he not appealed to Caesar, (he was a bit temperamental) but then again he probably had a mission to accomplish.
    We do not engage with “THEM” unless we are called to witness. This may involve being hauled before their priests wanting submission from us,(re.venue) but we have no king but Yeshua, and we do not give them permission to make merchandise of us by kidnapping us, and we say so loudly. We belong to Yeshua bought and paid for in blood–He sealed our pardon and they need to hear it loud and clear.
    If you use their benefits then you are one of their own. Are you willing to forsake EVERYTHING for the sake of Christ?–the reason we have to count the cost of following Him. Are you dead to the world and its benefits? Are you willing to die for Yeshua?

     
  74. Don

    November 1, 2012 at 12:13 AM

    Alfred,
    @ It crosses my mind that “In the beginning there was the “Word” . . . .” “And the LORD “said”

    It’s this kind of perception that STILL makes you very special to me.

    I pray that you will come to see that the I AM in the Old Testament is & was the SAME I AM in the New Testament.BUT,this, I AM was STILL inferior to HIS & YOUR & my Heavenly Father.Maybe it’s the “Eternal Existence” of both that doesn’t add up to you. If so, I have the “divinely revealed” answer to that but I am not going to reveal it “clearly” on this websight. I have given some STRONG hints however,on the & yet he stayed thread. It seems to me that this divine revelation IS NOT meant, at this time, to be understood by/for most people. For some reason I can’t explain I was “HELD BACK” from coming right out & saying what it was clearly & yet it would have been so EASY to do, but I was “prevented” from doing so.

     
  75. Don

    November 1, 2012 at 12:31 AM

    Cody
    Your message on/of October 27, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    I read this a lot,i.e. over & over. It comforts me. It makes me not feel “lonely.” I love being alone, but, I don’t like being “lonely.”
    Thank you, Cody.

     
  76. Don

    November 1, 2012 at 2:06 AM

    John
    @October 31, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    That “piece of paper” very plainly says in pertinent part: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

    The following words on “the piece of paper” is part of what you refuse to “entertain.”

    “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

    You probably have a hundred or more sheets of this piece of paper in your bathroom, so you must admit, it, & what the DUDES agreed to is worth at least something. It is useful for something isn’t it?

    I sadly admit that it does appear you have most people on this site with you & on your side but not me,DUDE. NEVER !! & I could care less IF I am the only one left, YOU, DUDE, will never persuade me to get on your side & SEE it ALL like you do. It seems to me,You are one “Class” A know it all.

    & don’t forget, the Apostle Paul WAS a Roman Citizen. I will do my best to try & not let you forget, that the Apostle Paul WAS a Roman Citizen. Maybe saying it again will help. Repeat after me, the Apostle Paul WAS a Roman Citizen. Say it again, the Apostle Paul WAS a Roman Citizen, once more, the Apostle Paul WAS a Roman Citizen. I may be wrong but I think you are beginning to CATCH ON.

     
    • John

      November 1, 2012 at 4:36 AM

      Don, who is questioning what that piece of paper says? Again, what does that piece of paper have to do with me, other than perhaps already state what had already existed and was self evident? Do YOU honestly believe THAT piece of paper is what gave you your rights? Are you suggesting if THAT piece of paper did not exist you would not have any rights? You would not be created equal? Regardless of what THAT piece of paper says, what does it have to do with me? THAT piece of paper did not create me. And while Governments are instituted among Men, exactly WHICH Men instituted it? HOW does what SOME Men institute and create for THEMSELVES have to do with Me? And if you believe that YOU are included with THOSE Men that created where YOU are a part of the Men who created that Government to secure YOUR rights, then I must ask, what IS your problem then? WHY would you be wasting time here on this type of group? YOUR world should be perfect if you believe YOU are one of the Men who instituted THAT Government. YOU, Don, should be feeling all kinds of protected by that Government. I don’t know about you, Don, but from what it appears to look like from my angle of view it doesn’t look like THAT Government is protecting much for MOST Men on this nation. And if my creator already gave me everything then what do I need THAT Government for to protect? Do you, Don, not believe your creator has provided enough for you that you feel you need to institute a Government for your protection? So how well has that Government been doing for protecting you?

       
      • Don

        November 1, 2012 at 10:07 AM

        On that RARE occassion, as YOU, JOHN, DUDE,say,when you MAY be stopped, & by a 175 I/Q revenue raiser, HERE in the Land of “Enchantment” (WITCHCRAFT) I don’t care what kind of papers or PROOF of who you are that you have with you, IF it is not a STATE/GUHMUNT issued driver license & the other BIG 2, you are arrested, your “Mode of Conveyance” which IS to M R extortioners A MOTOR VEHICLE, is TOWED. You will stay in jail UNTIL you provide a SSN, because THEY KNOW You & I HAVE ONE. But, John,DUDE, we can’t provide something we don’t have & I KNOW, you, John, DUDE, agree with that, so the additional so called “CHARGE” of concealing Identity attempt to obstruct justice,is added & it just keeps on adding up more “charges.” You(<?) will be allowed to make a phone call IF & when "they" get damn good & ready to allow you that "privilege."

        Now since you DUDE, are not going to answer my questions.which have been far & few between, I am not going to answer yours. This is also strong evidence that you only read your own posts & ONLY what others say IF it is in regards to something only you say. I read EVERY post, & respond to 95% of them even tho 95% of all messages are not directed to me personally, which I admit might not be appreciated. I am not on an ego trip.

         
      • John

        November 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM

        Where did I say anything about having any papers or PROOF to who “I” AM? Don, WHAT piece of paper can possibly PROVE who I AM? Are YOU DON a piece of paper? For the RECORD Don, I never said I have anything to show or prove who I AM! And I DO carry a STATE issued DL. But that is not ME! That is the STATE’S PROPERTY that proves who the STATE LEGAL PERSON IS, not ME!

         
  77. Don

    November 1, 2012 at 7:24 AM

    deb,
    I do not understand your message. Is what I said,in the next sentence,#2,what you disagree with?

    2.-I say it is ALL Executive.<<< This is PART of what I said. I don't know if it showed up or not on your end.The legislative "BRANCH" is an extension of the Executive & so is the Judicial "BRANCH."

    If you disagree with #2, why does the S. Ct. of the U.S. which is supposed to be Judicial, issue ALL process in the "name of the Executive?" & why do we now have 3 "branches" instead of 3 departments? I'm not like the DUDE, John, who knows it all. I have an open mind, & I stand to be corrected.

     
    • deb

      November 1, 2012 at 10:49 AM

      Hi Don, I don’t disagree with your “it’s all EXECUTIVE” on the contrary. I too see it as the EXECUTIVE being the head (capo di tuti capi–mafia term) and its 2 limbs (judiciary-legislative/Guido-Carluci?) as its members/branches to execute (tyranny/absolute power) with. They are not independent-the head (capo) controls the limbs–that’s why they are branches and not departments. An unholy trinity?

      And they’re all singin “is you is or is you aint” :-?

      I understood Pennsylvania Supreme Court to be independent of its decision making. But I don’t claim to know anything except the blood of Yeshua.

       
      • Don

        November 1, 2012 at 11:38 AM

        deb
        @But I don’t claim to know anything except the blood of Yeshua.

        This is more than enough,& ALL that is necessary.We would have a Utopia if most people knew what you do. deb, I am acutely aware that I have no credibility but the 3 DUDES,as John calls them, just a bunch of dudes,said what follows & I find it easy for me to see that since it has “applied to “every Government that has EVER existed under the sun the “government that exists NOW TODAY is no different. Read what these DUDES said,deb.

        Thomas Jefferson asked, “What has destroyed liberty and the rights of man in every government that has existed under the sun”? He answers by saying: “The generalization and concentrating of all powers under one body;”

        and, as written in Federalist # 47: “No political truth is of greater intrinsic value than that the accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether hereditary, self appointed or elective, may be justly pronounced the very definition of tyranny;”

        and, The “Father of our Country,” George Washington, said in his farewell address: “It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres; avoiding in the exercise of the powers on one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism”

        deb,do the above warnings have the ring of truth in your opinion?

        John says what is written above is just a bunch of dudes talking.

         
      • deb

        November 1, 2012 at 7:09 PM

        Hi Don,

        Satan’s plan from the beginning has been to usurp God’s power and thwart His plan. In re: to governments of the world…I tend to agree with John on 1 Sam. 8–and “…and the government SHALL be upon His shoulder…”Is.9:6 “For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king:..”Is.33:22

        Who are these “DUDES” anyway? Yes I know who they are–I used to consider myself very patriotic and proud to be a part of this country (still love this land)–emigrating from europe. But I also know that the majority of the presidents of this country (and others as well) have been related in one way or another from the very beginning. Monarchy? And who wants to rule the world and receive worship? I don’t have to tell you about the inscription of the FRN $1–Novus Ordo Seclorum–so their agenda was in play from the very beginning.

        As followers of Yeshua, the only founding fathers we have are the apostles and prophets. We are sojourners here because we are seated with Christ in the heavenlies. For followers of Christ seeking his kingdom and his righteousness is our priority. There is only ONE Law and one lawgiver, the rest are man made rules and regulations for the unbelievers/unruly/sinners. According to Scripture they don’t apply to us. That’s why the apostles turned the world upside-down.
        We have been brainwashed from the pulpits to think otherwise.

        John is right–we can not serve two masters–we can’t obey two governments. We are the servant to whom we obey. That’s why we are told to “come out of her my people”. But you already know this.

        On the other hand, John said he has a DL which is a “State” id with benefits and which marks him as one of their own, if he is using it, regardless of how well he is able to avoid entanglements with the system.

        I tried looking for your email–this is mine colossians220 at gmail dot com.

         
  78. Don

    November 1, 2012 at 8:22 AM

    John
    November 1, 2012 at 4:47 AM
    Just more partly truth & mostly FICTION BS. I bet you travel a lot. BS. You belong to the “BARE BUMPER CLUB, don’t you.

     
    • Don

      November 1, 2012 at 9:11 AM

      Hey JOHN, THE #1 DUDE,
      Do you use Federal Reserve Notes as a “medium of exchange?” Why do you use THEIR MILITARY SCRIPT & say you have NOTHING to do with THEM DUDES? excuse me, M – R DUDES

      DUDE, you asked deb:”Do you live in one of those man made fictitious federal overlays called a zip code and military venues called by some two letter all caps STATE?

      THANK YOU !! This IS ONE of your truthful statements/questions. I salute you for AT LEAST including SOMETHING truthful/factual. But I also know WHO the “beginning” SOURCE of your knowledge is influenced by. And that “source” has no CLASS,but he does have/give Classes.”That being uses the same “approach” you do,DUDE. Tell people a few things you know that they know is true & then they see that you know what you are talking about. It’s aka CONfidence building. This makes it so much easier for them to believe the lies, when they don’t know if what you are saying is true or false. But when you give them enough TRUTH, they will, or most people will accept the lies as being true.GOOD SHOW. Once again,Do you use frns as a medium of exchange?

       
      • John

        November 1, 2012 at 9:20 AM

        You accuse me of being a know-it-all, yet the only one that appears to be coming off as the know-it-all is you, Don. Exactly and specifically point out what LIES you claim I have been telling?

         
  79. Don

    November 1, 2012 at 9:32 AM

    Hey JOHN, THE #1 DUDE,
    Do you use Federal Reserve Notes as a “medium of exchange?” Why do you use THEIR MILITARY SCRIPT & say you have NOTHING to do with THEM DUDES? excuse me, M – R DUDES

    ANSWER MY QUESTION !!!

     
    • John

      November 1, 2012 at 1:31 PM

      No Don, I do not use their federal reserve notes as a “medium of exchange”. I USE their federal reserve notes as a VOUCHER that is a PROMISE TO PAY to obtain my necessities of life. WHY Don do you THINK by USING those notes somehow obligates you to them in some way? I don’t CLAIM them as MY notes, I merely USE them out of necessity. And they don’t issue those notes to ME, Don. They issue those notes to the NAME Estate. I as the beneficiary of that DECEDENT’S ESTATE use them.

       
      • deb

        November 1, 2012 at 7:11 PM

        Hi John
        According to their USC rules I use the FRNs as lawful money.

         
  80. Don

    November 1, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    John, HEY DUDE,The term “dude” was first used in print in 1876, in Putnam’s Magazine, to mock how a woman was dressed (as a “dud”/dude) Wikipedia the free encyclopedia.

    Re: Your question of: “Did YOUR RIGHTS Don, come from that piece of paper or did your rights come from your creator? Were you Don, created from that piece of paper?

    I don’t have the slightest/any idea.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUDE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
    • John

      November 1, 2012 at 6:52 PM

      Are you living in 1876?

       
      • Don

        November 2, 2012 at 1:53 AM

        @Are you living in 1876?

        Look HOTSHOT !!! YOU are the one that came up with the term/word DUDE & DUDES & “Just a

        piece of paper” by referring to the “Statute of 1776” as just a “piece of paper” & the REAL MEN,as

        I call them, who said in pertinent part: “for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on

        the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and

        our sacred Honor.” You say they were just a bunch of DUDES

        It doesn’t bother me 1 iota what you call me, but I can’t help but believe you did know it would

        bother me BAD if you referred to the “Declaration” as just a “piece of paper & The MEN who

        signed the “piece of paper” as “just a bunch of DUDES.”

        And you KEEP telling me that MY heart is not right.

         
  81. Don

    November 1, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    John the DUDE says:
    So IF doing what I do ends up costing everything I use and have possession of to all be taken away, then so be it!

    I, Don, say:
    The above statement seems to contradict everything you have predicted your knowledge & wisdom would prevent if people just had the understanding & same knowledge as you do & apply it correctly as you have done.

     
    • John

      November 1, 2012 at 9:44 PM

      I’m not a bit surprised you would find it contradicting. That is obvious you don’t comprehend it. While it may appear contradicting to you, having a confused mind and all, it isn’t contradicting. The best way I can describe it is by referring to the story of JOB. are you prepared to stand as JOB did and let everything go to remain true to your faith and creator? Are you ready for that? Can you handle that? If not then this ain’t for you. I chose to accept it and accept whatever persecution that may come my way. They WILL TEST YOU, THEY WILL TEST YOU, THEY WILL TEST YOU! They may even send some out to pay you a visit! They did here. So are you ready for that? Can you walk and talk it a good as any notices you may send in? OR, are you only interested in finding something to use just to get out of something? If that is what you are interested in then most likely this will not work for you. This isn’t about getting out of something. And that exactly why they always TEST YOU! I’m not interested in sugar coating anything by just telling others that this is the process you need that works. It only works if your heart is right.

       
      • Don

        November 2, 2012 at 1:30 AM

        @ JOB, & Are you ready for that? Can you handle that?

        Yes,been there & put through that,even with the “boils” for the first & only time in my life. I think the stress caused the boils. It was so agonizing,the stress, I finally did pray for death, like a coward, I guess. I have been told that what I was put through should have been been on the X Files.

        @They WILL TEST YOU, THEY WILL TEST YOU, THEY WILL TEST YOU!

        Really,Is that right !?

        @They may even send some out to pay you a visit!

        OH NO!! NOT THAT !! PLEASE !!! I don’t think I could handle a visit.

        @OR, are you only interested in finding something to use just to get out of something?

        YES, that’s all I want, I just want to get out of something,nothing in particular, just something.

        @It only works if your heart is right.

        Then I must have a heart of stone, what else ya got, DUDE?

         
      • Don

        November 3, 2012 at 3:25 AM

        @That is obvious you don’t comprehend it.

        You got that right !!

         
      • Anthony Joseph

        November 6, 2012 at 2:55 PM

        John,

        Do you participate on other sites as well? I would like read some more of your offerings as I find them interesting.

         
  82. Don

    November 1, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    @ you say potato i say pohtahtoh

    & I say 2-may toe & you say 2-mah- oe.

    In that I am “hillbilly” it’s, maters N taters.

     
    • Don

      November 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM

      Sorry, deb, it’s, 2 MAH TOE

       
  83. Don

    November 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    @I heard somewhere, the highest court in America to be the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania–independent, but what do I know about pol.i.tics?

    It’s probably sitting on top of the Blue Mountain Ridge area, excuse me, region North of the Pennsylvania Turnpike. That is pretty high up, for a court, anyway (fuh C shus). Don’t say anything about COURTS to John.(not fuh C shus) I’m surs.

     
    • deb

      November 1, 2012 at 8:59 PM

      Are you sure it’s not Brokeback Mountain?
      Why not mention courts to John?
      I’ll have to tell you of my being in a synagogue of satan one of these days–long story.

      But seriously, can’t you and John just love each other–love thy neighbor?

       
      • Don

        November 2, 2012 at 7:22 PM

        deb,
        The following from Isaiah,will show what I meant about WHEN The Kingdom(Government) of YHWH IS “established.” It is NOT this way NOW, unless I am totally senseless & blind.

        Isaiah 11: beginning with verse 6

        The wolf will live with the lamb,the leopard will lie down with the goat,the calf and the lion and the yearling together;and a little child will lead them.

        7.The cow will feed with the bear,their young will lie down together,and the lion will eat straw like the ox.

        8.The infant will play near the hole of the cobra,and the young child put his hand into the viper’s nest.

        9.They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain,for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.

        But seriously, can’t you and John just love each other–love thy neighbor?

        There is something called righteous indignation. I without a doubt,have many flaws & shortcomings & I know I am deceived. I do not know what I am deceived about. If I did, I would do something about it & become undeceived. I am not a human but I have human nature, I believe there are degrees of this too. In all honesty, I don’t know how to love my enemies. I wish I did know how. I don’t think John would be very happy if someone would use degrading names about his wife.Call me anything except S.O.a B. This is not slandering me, it is slandering my Mother.It makes me angry for anyone to use slang words to described People I hold in high esteem. If You or anyone else should say,Don, the People you hold in high esteem were deceived, then I would be wide open for information as to how so.One time someone told me I was wrong. I asked him how/why? He said, You just are,that’s why.This “answer did not help me. It actually made me angry. And it made him angry because I told him his answer was not an answer.

        @ I’ll have to tell you of my being in a synagogue of satan one of these days–long story.

        I am at a loss as how to comment about this? I don’t want to open the door to anymore demonic attacks. But you seem to have come through it very well so maybe your story will be of help.

         
      • deb

        November 2, 2012 at 8:49 PM

        Hi Don
        re: courts–I equate them to the synagogue of satan. I din’t mean to give you a fright. I’m sorry.
        re: the kingdom–It is now and not yet. will be in full force when His feet touch the Mount of Olives–I believe because that’s where He was in total unparalleled agony and where He will come in full glory as King of king and Lord of lords to deliver His kingdom to the Father (1Cor.15:24)
        Those pull.pits of hell, so apropos!

        The church/ekklesia=gathered together ones/assembly/the body=IS His government on earth. “Your kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”? What do you suppose Yeshua taught His disciples for 40 days (about the kingdom) after He was resurrected? And why do you suppose we have no record of it? Of the entire NT not one single one of the 12, or Paul, mentions even the slightest hint? Who put the cannon together? I believe Yeshua’s words–He is the WORD-in Luke 22–the new covenant.

        @but seriously–it’s all about love–it never fails 1cor.13

         
  84. Rog

    November 1, 2012 at 7:48 PM

    This is an interesting conversation Plenty-o-opinion, conjecture, even a few real life “front line” experiences shared.

    I am a forest kind of guy. I like the trees, in fact, at one time I could identify every oak east of the Mississippi. But It seems my propensity is to zoom out and take in the landscape. I have a morsel for y’all to chew on. This discussion seems to be about control. Specifically, the control of men by other men. There are a whole bunch of ways to accomplish this but the preferred way seems to be through this thing we call government. We claim we create it to protect our freedoms and property and other lofty purposes, but it never turns out that way. EVER.

    We create this institution and give it immense power. That power attracts power mongers, psychopaths, sociopaths and all manor of shady characters. That power, with those guys at the helm, destroy lives, wage war, steal, murder, wreak havoc, confuse, lie, obfuscate, intimidate, inflate deflate, pollute, cause dispute, conquer, dominate, decimate, fracture, and all manner of mayhem. Yes, it builds roads and bridges and such but any competent contractor can do that. In fact, that IS who does that. All government does is steal your money so it can hire those guys to the work. We create this monster because we believe it is necessary. We believe OTHER men need to be governed. We belief that without it there would be chaos. That other people would destroy lives, wage war, steal, murder…you get the picture. And it’s true other people would do those things, but, they wouldn’t have the power of government. In fact, people like you and me would object to that kind of behavior and we would find a way to put a stop to it. No institution needed, just us.

    Now I know this offends the sensibilities of some of you, but isn’t this discussion about the ways government contrives to turn the whole thing around and dominate us? Aren’t we talking about an institution that inevitably turns to evil? A thing we create that eventually, inevitably wishes to put it self above its creator. So why-o-why do we defend this thing? Why do we insist that it is necessary? Why do we replace one evil with another and expect a different outcome? Are we THAT stupid? Do we really believe that government can serve us if only the right people were in power? Even if the “right” people were in power, power corrupts. Back to square one.

    Now, I know the nature of man. For some crazy reason a certain percentage of people seem to need power. I guess they feel powerless. In fact, that’s probably true of most of us. We want to control, to whatever extent possible, our environment so as not to be uncomfortable. But that’s different than stealing and killing for power’s sake. Most of us don’t do that. What makes you think we would suddenly go down the path of evil in the absence of government? And because we know what sort of people government attracts, why do we keep creating it? Argue the point all you want but you can not deny government ALWAYS “goes rogue.” It doesn’t work is all I’m trying to say. So why not have a discussion about alternatives? Why not put your brilliant minds to the task at hand and come up with something that recognizes and accommodates the nature of man instead of fighting against it? Let’s abandon this this thing called government. It’s more trouble than it’s worth and it’s a pain in the ass.

     
    • deb

      November 1, 2012 at 8:09 PM

      Hi Rog
      @”So why not have a discussion about alternatives? Why not put your brilliant minds to the task at hand and come up with something that recognizes and accommodates the nature of man instead of fighting against it? Let’s abandon this this thing called government.”

      You mean US corp govt. I can think of only one thing–“Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness”–where the law is to love God and love neighbor.

      Do you have any suggestions?

       
      • Rog

        November 1, 2012 at 8:39 PM

        @ Deb

        No, I mean all government. My suggestion is to those who feel we need some sort of man made governance. I don’t have a problem with no government. If you believe all Hell would break loose without it then come up with something that works, leave me out of it. It is my firm belief that man is quite capable of living in peace without government. It seems to me most of the problems we see today were created by government-man assuming the role of the creator. We then try to remedy those problems by applying more government. Silly, isn’t it? Do no harm to others or their property is pretty much all the law we need.

         
      • deb

        November 1, 2012 at 9:19 PM

        Rog,

        @ It is my firm belief that man is quite capable of living in peace without government.

        In the wilderness, desert island or a castle, perhaps. It is my belief that in a mega metropolis it would be quite different-because in general, man is inherently evil.

         
    • Don

      November 1, 2012 at 8:38 PM

      What’s the difference between lawful and legal when a fiction is a fiction is a fiction? Lawful = man-made fiction. Legal = man-made fiction.

      You sure know a lot about FICTION. Are you still holding on to the “authority” of the “Pendleton case” are you? What was your purpose it bringing it up?

       
      • John

        November 1, 2012 at 9:04 PM

        No, it has nothing to do with any case. I don’t need a case based off fictitious to know what fiction is. I hold onto to what is real, i.e. law of nature/natural law = God’s Law. Any other law is fiction.

         
    • Don

      November 6, 2012 at 6:01 PM

      @Now, I know the nature of man.

      Bad ain’t it? Hate,greed,& jealousy.With or without Government will not change the nature of man. Building “character” will change the nature of man. My understanding of character is:Knowing right from wrong & choosing to do right. The Good LORD tells us what is right & what is wrong,e.g. The 10 suggestions,excuse me,Commandments. Government has preempted the authority of “God” & now says what is right & wrong & for a “fina” aka “license fee” gives permission to “indulge” in wrong things because their license makes it right. It’s a long story.

       
  85. Anon4fun

    November 1, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    Don: “What about low class white trash like me?”

    You’re in the clear, bro.

    Rog: “There are a whole bunch of ways to accomplish this but the preferred way seems to be through this thing we call government. We claim we create it to protect our freedoms and property and other lofty purposes, but it never turns out that way.”

    Situations where a population of any size exists without government protection of freedom and property are, in fact, quite rare around the world, and anyone who has actually been there wants out of that hell ASAP, because there are no viable substitutes for government in this role.

     
    • Rog

      November 1, 2012 at 9:04 PM

      @Anon4fun

      “Situations where a population of any size exists without government protection of freedom and property are, in fact, quite rare around the world…”

      I would change that to “Situations where a population of any size exists WITH government protection of freedom and property are, in fact, quite rare around the world.”

      Please send me the email address of that person who has been in that Hell and wants out, I’d like to have word with him over a homemade beer.

      ” there are no viable substitutes for government in this role.” Please read “The most dangerous superstition” by Larken Rose. There are plenty of ways to protect freedom and property without formal government.

       
      • Don

        November 2, 2012 at 4:19 AM

        Hello,Rog,

        @I would change that to “Situations where a population of any size exists WITH government protection of freedom and property are, in fact, quite rare around the world.”

        My health is improving. Laughter is good for the soul.

         
  86. Anon4fun

    November 1, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    Roj: {I would change that to “Situations where a population of any size exists WITH government protection of freedom and property are, in fact, quite rare around the world.”}

    In that case, it should be easy for you to name a population center the size of a small town or larger where government provides no protection of freedom and property. Let’s see how high on the list of desirable places to live this anarchist utopia is.

    {There are plenty of ways to protect freedom and property without formal government.}

    Somewhere over the rainbow, or in the real world?

    If the latter, please name an example from the actual experience of mankind that supports your claim.

     
    • Don

      November 2, 2012 at 4:40 AM

      Anarchist Utopia is,somewhere under the rainbow

      Somewhere over the rainbow there are plenty of ways to protect freedom and property without formal government.

       
    • Rog

      November 2, 2012 at 8:43 AM

      @Anon4fun
      USA, anywhere anywhere, try not paying “your” property taxes and see how much the state cares about protecting your property. Try crossing government anywhere in the world and see how much it values your freedom. You have turned a blind eye to the abuses of government all around you. You have been thoroughly indoctrinated, Winston, thanks for stopping by.

      By the way, for the first 80 or years that Pennsylvania had been settled there was no government, much to the chagrin of Penn and Pit who repeatedly tried install some form of government. The good and smart folk of PA repeatedly failed to show up. It wasn’t until Pit, with a decree from the King, forced government down their throats. I believe PA is on this side of the rainbow.

       
      • Don

        November 2, 2012 at 12:13 PM

        “your” property taxes is truthfully an Annual Rental Fee with certain “equitable privileges “allowed” if you take good care of ITS property at your expense, of course.

         
  87. Don

    November 2, 2012 at 3:48 AM

    deb,

    @I tend to agree with John on 1 Sam. 8–and “…and the government SHALL be upon His shoulder…”Is.9:6 “For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king:..”Is.33:22

    “SHALL be” is not NOW. It WILL be this way, when the “2nd coming (RETURN) of Yeshua, THEN, what is written above will be established.

    @the inscription of the FRN $1–Novus Ordo Seclorum-so their agenda was in play from the very beginning.

    Check out The “Change” from Deo Favente to Annuit Coeptis.

    In 1782, Samuel Adams/the third Congress, appointed a design artist, William Barton of Philadelphia, to bring a proposal for the national seal.The mottos which Barton chose to accompany the design were Deo Favente (“with God’s favor”, or more literally, “with God favoring”) and Perennis (“Everlasting”).

    @ We have been brainwashed from the pulpits to think otherwise.
    They are not called a “Pulpit” for no reason.To pull us down into the pit of hell.

    @That’s why the apostles turned the world upside-down.
    Apparently, not the Apostle Paul is included, am I right or wrong in your opinion,deb?
    Be careful how you answer this, if you do answer.

    @On the other hand, John said he has a DL which is a “State” id with benefits and which marks him as one of their own, if he is using it, regardless of how well he is able to avoid entanglements with the system.

    I have already asked him several days ago: Well is U is or is U ain’t ?
    Look,deb I’m not a “saint” either & I”m in no hurry to become one (fuf C shus),but I feel like a hypocrite myself because I haven’t figured out a way to get around not using “their military scrip”

    Sure glad 2 C you coming on strong on this thread (<?) I know what sewing thread is, that's all.

     
    • Rog

      November 2, 2012 at 1:05 PM

      @Don
      Yes, and “your ” property is presumed to be located on Federal land. Hence, “owning” that property is a federal privilege and thus taxable unless that presumption can be successfully refuted. More on this @http://www.edrivera.com/

       
      • Don

        November 2, 2012 at 2:33 PM

        Thank you,Rog,
        I don’t have any annual rental fee property anymore. It was literally stolen by “StateZilla thieves.” They also murdered my wife. She gave me an expensive wedding gift. The wedding gift wound up in a judges home because he “RULED” that since I could not produce a receipt from her, the “wedding gift” was not mine. So, if you are married, & you give your wife an expensive “LOVE” gift,make sure she has a receipt, FROM YOU to her. OR, if she gives you “surprise love gift” tell her you need a receipt for it.

         
      • deb

        November 2, 2012 at 2:53 PM

        Hi Don,

        I’m sorry to hear of some of the things that happened to you. I’d like to know more if it’s possible. For all the persecution you have endured for the cause of Christ, there is great recompense of reward. Hebrews 10:30-39
        “I will cling to the old rugged cross, and exchange it some day for a crown”.
        “I” am honored to know you.

         
    • deb

      November 2, 2012 at 1:09 PM

      Hi Don, my wise hoot friend, you are my friend right?

      @”SHALL be” is not NOW. It WILL be this way, when the “2nd coming (RETURN) of Yeshua, THEN, what is written above will be established. ?Oh? Wasn’t it established at the last supper Luke 22 when Yeshua handed over his government/kingdom to his disciples? And since He lives in us and made His abode in us, then isn’t His kingdom in place now–not visible because of the pull.pits? as it will continue to be when He comes in all His glory visibly as king? We live and reign with Him because He is in us. Can you imagine if all the christians worldwide in unison denounced Caesar and claimed Yeshua’s kingdom now–what effect it would have on the gerber.mints of the world? Maybe that’s why they have all those FEMA camps ready?

      @the inscription of the FRN $1–What I was implying is that from the beginning of the formation of the US govt., most if not all of elected/appointed/chosen etc. offices/rulers were and still are today Freemasons/Masonic/Luciferian. Even Washington who was the 1st elected US corp CEO. And whatever they created on paper/fiction/ was to serve their master lucifer creating a mass of 14th amdmt. slaves in perpetuity.

      @Apostle Paul was probably the single most radical but peaceful revolutionary ever. He so loved Yeshua. And because of his epistles we know what it means to saved.

      @Look,deb I’m not a “saint” either & I”m in no hurry to become one (fuf C shus),but I feel like a hypocrite myself because I haven’t figured out a way to get around not using “their military scrip”–Believers in Yeshua are saints. Don’t consider FRNs as anything other than what they are–nothing. That’s why you give Caesar what is his.

      I do know how to sow:-)

       
  88. Don

    November 2, 2012 at 4:08 AM

    DUDE,
    You say: “No, it has nothing to do with any case”

    OH ! Is that right? Then what/why did you mention:Padelford, Fay & Co. v. Mayor and Aldermen of City of Savannah, 1854

    If IT has nothing to do with ANY case, then what is IT? What does IT,mean? You asked me if I was living in 1876 because I sent you the origin of the the word DUDE, so I’ll ask you, were you living in 1854? I fail to see the Connection.

     
  89. Don

    November 2, 2012 at 5:08 AM

    @One side places you WITHIN their illusion while the other side keeps you outside their illusion

    Isn’t this aka a SHELL GAME ?

     
  90. Don

    November 2, 2012 at 5:19 AM

    PatriotOne
    @I think the Name/NAME stuff is BS.
    There is something that “smells” fishy about it.

     
  91. Don

    November 2, 2012 at 5:35 AM

    John,et al.
    @The State of the UNION that existed before the military take over was still part of the federal union.

    And the “military take over” has NEVER stopped since.

    “All this legislative machinery of martial law, military coercion, and political disfranchisement is avowedly for that purpose and none other.” President Andrew Johnson, March 23,1867

    “… here is a bill of attainder against 9,000,000 (million) people at once. It disfranchises them by hundreds of thousands and degrades them all…” President Andrew Johnson, March 23,1867

    Is there any wonder why President Andrew Johnson was REALLY impeached ??

     
  92. Don

    November 2, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    deb
    November 2, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    .–Isn’t this “requesting” placing me the blood man in their jurisdiction and arguing on fictitious paper with a fiction about not doing their fictitious job? And since they can’t see me or hear me the blood man, wouldn’t I then be talking to the wind?

    The “Hot Air” has been exposed/revealed. Wow!! Eloquent!! Thank you deb.!!!

     
  93. Anon4fun

    November 2, 2012 at 1:43 PM

    Rog: {USA, anywhere anywhere, try not paying “your” property taxes and see how much the state cares about protecting your property. Try crossing government anywhere in the world and see how much it values your freedom. You have turned a blind eye to the abuses of government all around you. You have been thoroughly indoctrinated, Winston, thanks for stopping by.}

    I asked you for an example of “a population center the size of a small town or larger where government provides no protection of freedom and property.” Your answer is non-responsive. Instead, you have chosen to mischaracterize my position and slander me personally. Classic rhetorical technique of dishonest discussion, straight out of the propaganda manual.

    {By the way, for the first 80 or years that Pennsylvania had been settled there was no government, much to the chagrin of Penn and Pit who repeatedly tried install some form of government. The good and smart folk of PA repeatedly failed to show up. It wasn’t until Pit, with a decree from the King, forced government down their throats. I believe PA is on this side of the rainbow.}

    So no one was put into a publicly administered prison for 80 years in Pennsylvania for violating another’s freedom or property, which is what I asked for an example of? Or are you trying to BS your way out of this question as well?

     
    • Rog

      November 2, 2012 at 6:09 PM

      @Anon4fun

      “I asked you for an example of “a population center the size of a small town or larger where government provides no protection of freedom and property.” Your answer is non-responsive. Instead, you have chosen to mischaracterize my position and slander me personally. Classic rhetorical technique of dishonest discussion, straight out of the propaganda manual.”

      Name a place, any place on this planet where government actually protects freedom and property. There is none. That was and is my answer. It includes every population center, all of them. Shall I list every small town or larger on the planet?

      I surmise that no one was put into a publicly administered prison in Pa at that time because there weren’t any prisons as we know them. My guess is that offenders were put in the stock for offenses against others by the people of the communities where the offense occurred. Please don’t make excuses for tyranny, it gets us nowhere. If you want to defend government then may your chains rest upon you lightly. And by the way, a thin skin bruises easily. Buck up Anon!

       
  94. Don

    November 2, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    To: PatriotOne
    @ “I think the Name/NAME stuff is BS. My Dad would hate me if I told him that I refuse to use my last Name.”

    The “Name Game” has puzzled me for years but to a lesser degree as researching about it & time has passed. Since many of us have the same Christian name,e.g John,Jerry,James,etc.There must be a reason why Yeshua(Jesus) was “identified” as “Jesus of Nazareth,” then we have,”John, the Baptist.” But this still does not clear it up for me because I feel sure there was at least one more man who lived in the “City of Nazareth” who had the same “name” of “Jesus.” As for me, I am going to try & get off of all these lost hiway & blind alley rocky roads & back to the study of the Holy Scriptures. If that source is a farce, I will die believing a farce but there are others who have died believing it too, e.g, Most of the Apostles and they were put to death because of their belief. I don’t think they did so for nothing. Also, I don’t believe the “Olivet Prophecy” is just an opinion. It tells me that all this study of who,what,when,where & why research as to why things are the way they are is futile because if it is all figured out it is not going to change anything, PERMANENTLY.

    .

     
  95. Anon4fun

    November 2, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    Don: {The “Name Game” has puzzled me for years but to a lesser degree as researching about it & time has passed.}

    Puzzling you is part of the intent of propaganda. The objective in this case is to 1) get you off the track of the truth, and 2) so overwhelm you with complexification that you DISENGAGE from the fight for lawful government. This is a major line of attack by Big Brother’s anarchist (i.e. lawless, rule of man, rule of money) propaganda rats in online discussions. Another, simultaneous line of attack on you and your birthright as an American is to sell you on a utopian metal self-abuse fantasy which you can spend your time playing with instead of addressing your enemies in the real world.

     
    • Don

      November 3, 2012 at 12:35 AM

      To:Anon4fun. my mentor.
      I use Mentor as understood this way: a trusted counselor or guide,tutor,coach,as defined in, Merriam Webster.I do not have the mind/brain capacity that you do. I am smart enough to know that much. I will still go down swinging,if I have to,for what I do understand.If along the way towards my demise,anyone shows me that any of my understanding is wrong, I will gratefully acept it with open arms. Who knows that the enemy is not now devising other ways to entrap us that we are unaware of, like if the right one don’t get you, the left one will. This humongous OCTOPUS in the Potomac River has a lot of tentacles with cephalopod mollusks consisting of eight muscular arms equipped with two rows of suckers. I am weary of being at least ITS 3rd SUCKER drawn in. My mind is in a whirlwind & I’m really tired, truthfully, I am worn out. My dog also knows something is wrong. Maybe tomorrow, if it arrives, for me, I will try again, Sounds like I’m a walking contradiction doesn’t it? Who knows, I might be laying a trap for someone. I think whoever came up with the word WEB as an internet word knew something. Paranoid ? Maybe so. Anyway, I am once again going to try to get some rest. Is there a way to rest the mind? My body & my mind are at WAR. Body can’t do what the mind wants to no mo.

       
  96. Anon4fun

    November 2, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    Rog: {Name a place, any place on this planet where government actually protects freedom and property. There is none. That was and is my answer. It includes every population center, all of them. Shall I list every small town or larger on the planet?}

    Unless you, like the target audience of the anarchism pitch, are completely ignorant of the world, you should be aware of laws where you live against violating the freedom and property of others. You should also be aware of those behind bars for violating such laws. Guess what? The place where you live is a place where government actually protects freedom and property.

    {I surmise that no one was put into a publicly administered prison in Pa at that time because there weren’t any prisons as we know them. My guess is that offenders were put in the stock for offenses against others by the people of the communities where the offense occurred. Please don’t make excuses for tyranny, it gets us nowhere. If you want to defend government then may your chains rest upon you lightly. And by the way, a thin skin bruises easily. Buck up Anon!}

    By admitting that offenders were put in stocks for offenses against the community, you have just refuted your own point.

    Saying “may your chains rest upon you lightly” is a nice touch, considering it’s a quote by one of the founders of the form of government I “make excuses for tyranny” in defending against the dangerous naivete of the would-be oligarchy’s anarchism.

     
  97. Don

    November 2, 2012 at 9:50 PM

    deb,
    Thanks again. I mentioned that I did not know how to respond to your synagogue of satan statement because I did not know if it was a “Church of Satan” which there are,where people go to worship Satan,OR if was a synagogue of satan where I have been forced to attend with leg irons & handcuffs on.

    You didn’t frighten me at all.The only thing I am scared of is myself & rattlesnakes, but I wish I had a “King Snake” for my friend.

    @It is now and not yet.” This statement is above my ability to grasp/understand. I’m not saying it’s not true, I’m saying I’m not anywhere near the level you are to know what it means.

    @ will be in full force when His feet touch the Mount of Olives–I believe because that’s where He was in total unparalleled agony and where He will come in full glory as King of king and Lord of lords to deliver His kingdom to the Father (1Cor.15:24)

    THIS,I do understand !!! Just like you do !!!

    @The church/ekklesia=gathered together ones/assembly/the body=IS His government on earth. “Your kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”?

    AMEN !! WITH A resounding N

    @What do you suppose Yeshua taught His disciples for 40 days (about the kingdom) after He was resurrected? And why do you suppose we have no record of it? Of the entire NT not one single one of the 12, or Paul, mentions even the slightest hint? Who put the cannon together? I believe Yeshua’s words–He is the WORD-in Luke 22–the new covenant.

    Whatever it was, was enough that all but one died an agonizing death, which convinces me they knew the “end result” which is all that matters. No one is going to die for a lost cause,11 died a horrible death for a winning end result.

    @but seriously–it’s all about love–it never fails 1cor.13

    Yes !! Love to me,is an outgoing concern for others.but, once again, there is also righteous indignation.

    P.S. John does not seem to like The Apostle Paul. I told John that “Paul was one of my favorite DUDES.” He,John,put Paul in one of his DUDE catagories. It’s here on this thread (<?). I'm going to try 2 send you an email.

     
    • Don

      November 2, 2012 at 10:21 PM

      deb, I tried twice to send you a e-mail. For the first time, in sending e-mails, it will not work. My e-mail is: donaldbailey02@comcast.net

       
    • deb

      November 2, 2012 at 11:04 PM

      Hi Don
      @ Whatever it was, was enough that all but one died an agonizing death, which convinces me they knew the “end result” which is all that matters. Not sure I follow?

       
      • Don

        November 2, 2012 at 11:23 PM

        deb, I tried twice to send you a e-mail. For the first time, in sending e-mails, it will not work. My e-mail is: donaldbailey02@comcast.net

        @Not sure I follow?

        See if you can e-mail me & if we can get in touch with each other via e mail, I will “try” to say in a different way what I meant. Also, my computer is doing some “strange things” all of a sudden,again.

         
      • Don

        November 3, 2012 at 2:46 AM

        deb,
        Did you get my e-mail? I got yours,& responded, & this time it did “appear” to go through.

         
  98. Don

    November 6, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    deb
    @was going to reply to your October 27, 2012 at 4:21 PM post of:
    “Proof that the separation of powers still is in force,
    Re:RIGHT? OF COURSE !!”
    Once again, I was being, fuh-C-shus. Otherwise, I was contradicting myself by saying “unity.”

     
  99. Don

    November 6, 2012 at 8:44 PM

    deb,
    your comment of: “I will cling to the old rugged cross” NOT ME !! I’m going to cling to who was on it.

     
  100. Don

    November 6, 2012 at 11:17 PM

    Adask
    Re:October 30, 2012 at 9:00 PM

    “……..There is a faint implication that the system may presume that the essence of a man may be his ability to speak. Those who can’t or won’t speak may be tantamount to “infants” and/or animals.

    Parens patriae is an interesting word.

    Parens patriae is Latin for “parent of the nation.” literally, father of the country. Like “King George”.

     
  101. Don

    November 7, 2012 at 12:49 AM

    John
    October 29, 2012 at 4:12 PM
    You, John,say: I wouldn’t know about “all the papers they “require””. I don’t have any “papers.”

    Then, you, John,say: I DO carry a STATE issued DL
    I,Don, cannot grasp how you can “carry” something but don’t have it.

    How, John,can you say:I wouldn’t know about “all the papers they “require””. I don’t have any “papers” & next say: I DO carry a STATE issued DL?

    John
    November 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM
    Where did I say anything about having any papers……” I DO carry a STATE issued DL

    Sooooo as PatriotOne would say,John, you say: I wouldn’t know about “all the papers they “require””. I don’t have any “papers” then, John, you say: Where did I say anything about having any papers……” I DO carry a STATE issued DL

    I, Don, asked you WHY you,John, “carry” a STATE issued DL (Driver License). You,John responded by to my question of WHY in your November 6, 2012 at 10:24 PM message. But to me your response conflicts with your comment October 29, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    John, November 6, 2012 at 10:24 PM

    You John,say you “carry” A STATE issued Driver License: “For indemnity as proof that I am NOT one of their created trust NAMES and that I am NOT one of their executors, administrators or trustees for their State entity trust NAME! That is why. To maintain the peace and not cause confusion with any of their armed foreign agents on the side of the road who most today only have an IQ between 80 to 100. WHY would I want to cause any conflicts with some untrained borderline RETARD that is armed? How many horror stories does one need to hear of to know it is just plain stupid to get yourself into a conflict with an armed retard that doesn’t know anything more than the common sheeple?

    I,Don, do not have OR “carry” a STATE issued “DL” and I do not need to do anything you say “needs to be done” to be able to say truthfully,as you,John,do, that “I DO carry a STATE issued DL” but I don’t have one I only “carry” one. However, I (<?) would have to "apply" for a SSN.

    Here, in "NM," unless you are an "illegal alien" a SSN is required to be able to say truthfully, I do "CARRY" a STATE issued DL.I, Don, bet you CARRY,but do not HAVE Registration, & Insurance "documents" for indemnity purposes too, right?

    Last question. How much do these Rod Class seminars cost for me to be able to learn enough so that I,too can truthfully say I CARRY a STATE issued driver license, proof of registration,& insurance but I don't have ANY of these things. I only "carry these things.?! ? Fraud begets fraud & confusion begets more confusion.

     
    • John

      November 7, 2012 at 1:28 AM

      What I do has nothing to do with what Rod Class does. Rod likes to go to war against the system. I prefer going to peace.

      When I responded to your part pertaining to me carrying any pipers that “I” make up myself, I said I don’t have any papers. There is NO paper that can possibly identify ME since I am not a piece of paper. I do not create anything to show who I am. I am that I am. If you are standing face to face to me then you would obviously see who I am. A man created in my creator’s image. Do you rebut that?

      Carrying something does not make me into that something. That something I carrying is obviously proof that I ain’t that piece of paper.

      I do not have a SS number. The State’s entity NAME has a SS number. I was never issued or given such a thing. The decedent NAME estate was. Not me!

      They even REQUIRED me to provide them with the State’s issued birth certificate of the decedent NAME estate in order to get that decedent NAME estate a SS number issued to IT, not me!

      They even tell you that right on their very own SS-5 form they have you fill out for the State issued decedent NAME estate!

      It says right on the SS-5 form:

      “WE CANNOT ACCEPT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE, HOSPITAL SOUVENIR BIRTH CERTIFICATE, SOCIAL SECURITY CARD STUB OR A SOCIAL SECURITY RECORD as evidence of identity.”

      And they even post a sign on the wall saying the same thing!

      So when they are flat out TELLING YOU that they cannot accept the BC for identity and yet they are REQUIRING one must provide the very BC they are saying CANNOT be accepted as identity, then WHO/WHAT are they issuing their SS number to when they know that NAME is NOT YOU?

      Then the very neat line on that form says the following:

      Evidence of U.S. Citizenship
      “In general, you must provide your U.S. birth certificate or U.S. Passport. Other documents you may provide are a Consular Report of Birth, Certificate of Citizenship, or Certificate of Naturalization.”

      What? So if the BC is NOT YOU and they just stated they CANNOT accept a BC as identity of YOU, and then they say a BC MUST be provided to give evidence of U.S Citizenship, then WHO/WHAT does that mean the U.S. Citizen is? It can’t be ME since they just stated the BC cannot be accepted as evidence to identify ME, So that means the decedent NAME estate on that BC is the U.S. Citizen, not ME!

      That BC is PROOF that “I” am NOT one of THEIR U.S. Citizens! I suppose that is also why border agents accept that as a passport to allow one cross the border which is exactly what some have done with it. A guy handed a border agent the BC when asked for a passport. The guy handed him a BC. The border agent said, what they hell is that? The guy said, PROOF that I am NOT A U.S. Citizen. The agent took it, went inside, made a phone call, came back out, handed the guy the BC back and said, have a nice day!

      The DL has nothing to do MY identity. It has to do with THEIR identity of THEIR decedent NAME estate!

      They KNOW that NAME is not YOU and that it is only an ENTITY and ALL fictitious entities are DEAD, i.e. a DECEDENT. Even their own tax laws are written based on this. ALL the Notice of Federal Tax Liens that I have seen state right on them under the TYPE of TAX the lien is for is a 1040 TYPE of TAX! TYPE of tax is not type of FORM used, but type of tax.

      the 1040 TYPE of tax is Title 26 section 1040. Everything in section 1040 ALL pertains to an EXECUTOR OR TRUSTEE pertaining to a DECEDENTS ESTATE!

      ALL the tax reporting forms that report any income are ESTATE AND GIFT TAX Forms.

      So this all means that when they send anything to YOU they are merely PRESUMING that YOU must be the EXECUTOR OR TRUSTEE for that decedent NAME estate.

      IF they ever are face to face with you and where they try to claim that YOU ARE that decedent NAME estate, then THAT by their very own actions rebuts that there can be any DECEDENT since they can obviously see you are living and not dead! So IF that is the road they are wanting to go down then now you are able to demand a full accounting for that NAME Estate since they are now trying to identify YOU ts BEING that decedent NAME and you are obviously not DEAD!

      IF they are not trying to identify YOU as THE decedent NAME then they are presuming YOU are the executor or trustee of that decedent NAME Estate. Either way that ain’t YOU and YOU are not the executor or trustee. Now it all falls back on them to do their job properly and locate the real executor or trustee of that decedent estate which is some State official, not you!

      The reason people are having problems is because they keep CLAIMING themselves to BE that NAME or CLAIM that IS THEIR NAME. None of which is true. By making those false claims you are treated as the executor/trustee who is liable for that NAME!

      The BC or DL or any other government issued paper does not create any magical contract with YOU the man. They serve as PROOF that YOU are NOT that Name. It is the one MISusing it that creates the problem because they THINK that IS them or think that IS their NAME which it is not! When PROPERLY used and presented it will completely INDEMNIFY YOU!

       
  102. Don

    November 7, 2012 at 1:02 AM

    John
    Re: Your comment on November 6, 2012 at 10:31 PM

    The Apostle Paul was a Roman Citizen & I don’t believe he abandoned his Creator by also being a Roman Citizen.

     
    • John

      November 7, 2012 at 2:01 AM

      You can believe whatever you choose to believe. Who am I to argue with what you choose to believe?

      A citizen is nothing but a subject to a higher power. Otherwise you cannot be a citizen of it. What power is higher than me other than my creator unless I abandon him to accept some other power to become its citizen/subject?

       
      • Don

        November 7, 2012 at 3:32 AM

        John
        November 7, 2012 at 2:01 AM
        @ “You can believe whatever you choose to believe.”
        I need to make you aware that I do not “carry” any gov-co document to prove I have that privilege so how can you say I can CHOOSE to believe whatever I want to?

         
      • John

        November 7, 2012 at 3:37 AM

        I do not carry anything to prove I have any privilege either. Where did you get the idea I carry anything to prove I get any privilege? I provide gov-co with privileges. They don’t provide me.

        But my reply to believe whatever you choose was not in response to carrying anything. It was in response to citizenship.

         
  103. Anon4fun

    November 7, 2012 at 2:21 AM

    John:

    {So when they are flat out TELLING YOU that they cannot accept the BC for identity and yet they are REQUIRING one must provide the very BC they are saying CANNOT be accepted as identity, then WHO/WHAT are they issuing their SS number to when they know that NAME is NOT YOU?}

    SS numbers are issued to employees of the private US government corporation. A birth certificate does not suffice here because a newborn cannot assume the fiduciary character of an employee. However, a driver’s license (an instrument of commerce) does indicate the required employment status, so it works when applying for an SS number.

    {So if the BC is NOT YOU and they just stated they CANNOT accept a BC as identity of YOU, and then they say a BC MUST be provided to give evidence of U.S Citizenship, then WHO/WHAT does that mean the U.S. Citizen is?}

    You are a US citizen, if, among other things, you were “born or naturalized in the United States.” See the 14th Amendment. This is why they want to see your birth certificate. Your birth certificate is not you. Rather, it certifies that you were born in the United States and is therefore evidence of US citizenship.

     
    • John

      November 7, 2012 at 2:59 AM

      No, I was not born IN the United States. How is one born IN a piece of paper that created a fictitious entity NAME of a thing? A FOREIGN corporation at that.

      The fictitious entity NAME is born in the United States as that was created by the Foreign State under its foreign corporate United States laws.

      To obtain a DL issued for the State entity NAME, they to require a BC be provided the very first time a DL is issued in addition to a SS number for that entity NAME.

      So HOW does one take a document that cannot be used as identification and magically create a new document from that unidentifying document and come up with a document for identification?

      And see the 14th amendment? Are you serious? What does that 14th amendment have to do with me who their courts have clearly stated that I am NOT a party to it? If I am not a party to it then anything it says cannot apply to me.

      I was born on this land that is of the free nation state. Not in any Foreign corporate State of XXXXX and not in any Foreign Corporate United States, Inc., also known as the District of Columbia.

       
      • Don

        November 7, 2012 at 4:40 AM

        John, Let’s put her in reverse again. You said you communicated with the “real man behind the mask, remember? What mode of communication do you use?

         
      • John

        November 7, 2012 at 5:15 AM

        I use private written communication addressing the man or woman by only using their first name. I do not communicate with their fictitious name (first last) nor their fictitious title. My private communication is between me as man and them as man without acknowledging their fiction name or title.

         
    • John

      November 7, 2012 at 3:23 AM

      “Your birth certificate is not you. Rather, it certifies that you were born in the United States and is therefore evidence of US citizenship.”

      It says the birth certificate CANNOT be accepted as evidence of IDENTIFICATION.

      If it CANNOT be accepted as EVIDENCE OF IDENTIFICATION, then how in the hell can that document be evidence of where I was born when they say that very document cannot be evidence of my identification?

      We cannot accept that BC as evidence to identify you but we can accept it to identify where you were born? How can you do that when the very document cannot be evidence of me in any way shape or form?

      It identifies a fictitious entity the State created within its foreign corporate laws under its parent foreign corporation United States.

      I was nor born IN the United States and I do not reside IN the United States. I was born WITHOUT the United States and I reside WITHOUT the United State and its subsidiary foreign corporate State of XXXX. The Foreign corporate State of only exist on federal own land. All the land mass that is not federal owned land is all WITHOUT the United States and the foreign State of XXXX and is within the free nation state that is not within the jurisdiction of the United State or its subsidiary foreign State of XXXX.

      The birth certificate does not identify ME nor where I was born. It identifies the STATE’S entity Name the STATE created within its foreign corporate jurisdiction within the United States. They didn’t issue ME a SS number or Drivers License. They issued the STATE’S entity NAME a SS number and drivers license.

      So far, based on this exact logic, the courts appear to be in 100% agreement with this based on court cases filed against the STATE’S entity NAME the STATE created on its birth certificate.

      And it isn’t MY birth certificate. I don’t have such a thing. It is the STATE’S birth certificate which is why the STATE will NOT let YOU have the birth certificate. Several STATE’S have flat out admitted this by stating, THEY the STATE owns the birth certificate AND they OWN the NAME on that birth certificate. That is not ME saying that. That is three different STATE’S that have flat out stated that when being questioned as to why we cannot have the original birth certificate!

      The STATE retains the birth certificate. The STATE will only give you are partial COPY of one.

      Read their State vital statistics act. Nothing in that act requires a State MUST retain and keep the ORIGINAL birth records. It only says the State must file and keep “A” record of it. That means they are not required to keep the ORIGINAL record, but merely keep “A” record which they could keep themselves a COPY of the original and release the original to you! But that would only be if that was YOUR birth certificate which it is NOT YOURS! It is the STATE’S. They would have no legal basis for being able to keep the original if it was YOURS! Three different STATE’S have now made it clear, it is not YOURS and the NAME on it is not YOURS! It is the STATE’S property and the STATE owns BOTH the birth certificate and the NAME on it, so said those three STATES!

       
    • Don

      November 7, 2012 at 4:18 AM

      Anon4fun
      November 7, 2012 at 2:21 AM
      John:

      “TELLING YOU, REQUIRING, CANNOT, WHO/WHAT, that NAME is NOT YOU?”

      Makes a lot of sense doesn’t it ?

      BC is NOT YOU they CANNOT accept a BC as identity of YOU,BC MUST WHO/WHAT,& in addition to,& furthermore,& on top of that,notwithstanding,but nonetheless, theres more to come so, what is the conclusion? It is as follows

      You are a US citizen, if, among other things, you were “born or naturalized in the United States.” See the 14th Amendment. This is why they want to see your birth certificate. Your birth certificate is not you. Rather, it certifies that you were born in the United States and is therefore evidence of US citizenship.
      (I,Don, say,Subjectship) The “creator is greater than the created.”

      See the 14th Amendment ? People need to see some of the “appropriate legislation” pertaining thereto.

      That’s my Mentor.

       
      • John

        November 7, 2012 at 5:20 AM

        People only need to see their legislation if they are party to that legislation. I am not a party to it which their court made very clear. It is not MY birth certificate they ask me for. It is THEIR BC they ask for. That is what they are naming as their US Citizen. That is what they are issuing their government forms and numbers to. It has nothing to do with ME! So far, the court and the IRS seem to agree with this.

         
  104. Don

    November 7, 2012 at 3:18 AM

    John
    November 7, 2012 at 1:28 AM
    I,Don, have read (red) ALL of your message s-l-o-w-l-y. I have trouble with basic arithmetic. You,John, are the untroubled trigonometrist. I am not ashamed to say I am no match for you.Still, it seems you are saying I need to “carry” A State issued driver license, carry a SSN, carry a Berth, excuse me, Birth Certificate to prove to them I am not one of gov-co’s “Subjects.” There is wnere you & I part ways. I think I know as much about the 14th ungodly amendment as you do,if not more.
    I am not going to get gov-co’s issued ID papers,documents,etc. to “carry as proof that I am not one of gov-co’s Subjects.There is one word that most people don’t seem to pay much attention to in “that piece of paper” as you call it, & that word is,consanguinity.It’s not a good word for you, I know,but it is for me.&,NO! that piece of paper does not grant ANY rights it just says who does.

    אני אוהבת אותך

     
    • John

      November 7, 2012 at 3:33 AM

      No Don, I never said YOU NEED to carry anything. I told you why “I” carry it.

      To USE their NAME the STATE has issued their certificate of for your USE must have a SSN issued to THEIR NAME if their name is to be used for any commerce. Their name must have SSN for THEIR internal commerce use.

      THEIR name, that certificate they gave me to USE, is my receipt to USE to obtain indemnity fog anything against THEIR name that THEY are the executors, administrators and trustees of and that I am the spoliated and naked owner per their international law where everything is subject to the rules of usufruct.

      The STATE having seized, taken, accepted, used for their benefit, to profit and gain from to support its corporations and army, are the usufructary having full liability for all taxes, dues and claims associated with THEIR State created entity Name trust.

       
      • Don

        November 7, 2012 at 4:34 AM

        John,you say: “No Don, I never said YOU NEED to carry anything. I told you why “I” carry it.”

        Let’s back up some. You said on:

        October 29, 2012 at 4:12 PM
        I wouldn’t know about “all the papers they “require””. I don’t have any “papers”

        Again, how can you “carry” something you don’t have? What does “carry” mean?

         
      • John

        November 7, 2012 at 5:17 AM

        I don’t HAVE as in meaning they are not MINE. What I carry is not MINE. It is THEIRS for their benefit, not my benefit.

         
      • Don

        November 7, 2012 at 4:52 AM

        John,you say: “No Don, I never said YOU NEED to carry anything. I told you why “I” carry it.”

        I stand corrected. Technically, you,John, are right, but let me ask you this.You did not “appear” on this blog just to let other people know WHY you carry but don’t have a STATE issued DL, did you?

         
      • John

        November 7, 2012 at 5:08 AM

        No, that isn’t why I appear on this blog. I appeared because of the topic that started this blog here. I responded to the other because you brought up.

         
      • Adask

        November 7, 2012 at 1:27 PM

        It this “concealed carry” or “open carry”?

         
  105. Anon4fun

    November 7, 2012 at 3:50 AM

    John:

    {No, I was not born IN the United States. How is one born IN a piece of paper that created a fictitious entity NAME of a thing? A FOREIGN corporation at that.}

    The United States can’t be both a piece of paper and a foreign corporation. In fact, it’s the latter. You may think you weren’t born in the United States, but the signatures on your birth certificate say differently. The people who so certified qualify as viable witnesses to the circumstances of your birth. You do not.

    {The fictitious entity NAME is born in the United States as that was created by the Foreign State under its foreign corporate United States laws.}

    No one has ever established that the all-caps name corresponds to a fictitious entity, and it is highly doubtful anyone ever will. For starters, fictitious entities are created through a ton of paperwork, all of which is conspicuously absent from the smoke-and-mirrors paytriot stage shows that promote this theory.

    {So HOW does one take a document that cannot be used as identification and magically create a new document from that unidentifying document and come up with a document for identification?}

    By means of additional documents. The birth certificate is used to establish your age, since driver’s licenses have an age requirement. The SS number is a recent addition for tracking purposes. It used to not be necessary for a driver’s license. In many situations, two forms of ID are needed to prove who you are. Here a birth certificate and an SS number serve this function.

    {And see the 14th amendment? Are you serious? What does that 14th amendment have to do with me who their courts have clearly stated that I am NOT a party to it? If I am not a party to it then anything it says cannot apply to me.}

    If you both have a birth certificate and applied for any of the all-caps documents the private US government corporation issues only to it’s fiduciary agents (i.e. employees), then the 14th Amendment has everything to do with you.

    {If it CANNOT be accepted as EVIDENCE OF IDENTIFICATION, then how in the hell can that document be evidence of where I was born when they say that very document cannot be evidence of my identification?}

    Your birth certificate can be used as evidence of age and citizenship. It cannot be used as evidence of identity on the SS application, because this form specifically requires you to identify yourself as a US government employee, which is not done by providing the details of your birth.

     
    • John

      November 7, 2012 at 5:07 AM

      Forget any arguments about all caps name. That is just a rabbit hole that goes nowhere. The spelling has nothing to do with anything. It isn’t how the name is spelled. It is the fact the name includes a LAST name. There is no such thing as a last name pertaining to man. Man does not have a last name. Man is only given a given name which only consists of a first name or a first and middle name. The Surname is not a part of the given name and the Surname is a complete separate and distinct name from the given name. The Surname does nothing but identify the name of a family one was born of. ADD the Surname WITH the given name it creates and entirely new and different name which is nothing but a fictitious name. That is the name the State created on THEIR birth certificate, not MY birth certificate. There is no MY birth certificate. I did not create such a thing and I am not a signatory on that document that did create it. Two different State officials are the signatories of it. The State County local registrar and the State registrar.

      John or John Henry is NOT the same as John Smith or John Henry Smith. Once Smith is ADDED with John or John Henry it becomes a fictitious name, also called a legal name or artificial legal person.

      The signatures on THEIR birth certificate do not say anything differently. They say the fictitious Name was born in the United States. It doesn’t say the baby born called by John Henry was born anywhere. It says John Henry Smith was, not me, but the fiction name.

      No one signed anything witnessing MY birth. It may appear to look that way, but MY birth is not on that paper. The birth of a fictitious Infant is on that paper.

      And by means of WHAT additional documents? The first new document created id a SS card which that document itself cannot be used for personal identification. So now you have two documents that neither can be used for personal identification and those two unidentifying documents then magically create a new document such as a drivers license that can then be used for personal identification? Wrong! There is no magic here and that is exactly what it would be to create a identifying document with unidentifying documents.

      The birth certificate is the first and only document created pertaining to the fictitious name. So anything after that document created can only come from that very document that cannot be used for any personal identification. Any document created after that is just another unidentifying document since that new document could never be created without the first created document that cannot be for personal identification. So you can create a thousand documents that stem from the first and ONLY document for that name and put all thousand documents together and it still can never identify YOU! That is WHY they ALWAYS need YOU to make that claim that YOU ARE that name or that IS YOUR name! They need you to lie and make that false claim in order use that name against you!

      Nothing is used to establish anything about ME. It is to establish everything about IT, the name, which is not ME! I am not a name. I am called by a name. I have yet to be shown or told what MY name is as my creator has yet to reveal that to me which he has written in the book of life. So while I am here during this experience my parents gave me a name John Henry to be called by while the State took that given name and then took that name of the family I was born of the State COMBINED the separate and distinct names TOGETHER to create John Henry Smith to created their own fictitious Name trust.

      The government does not issue anything to living men and women. They only issue things to ITS own fictitious entities their subsidiary foreign corporate States created by their birth records. I don’t have a birth certificate. The State has a birth certificate. They never issued ME anything. They issued THEIR fictitious name everything. I did not become anything to them. Their fictitious entity name is theirs and that is their US citizen and their employee as everything in their artificial fictitious world is all just fiction.

      And this idea you became an employee of theirs is just more PAYtriot myth someone came up with to justify their own beliefs. If I am an employee then where are the payroll records from the government to show I have been paid as such? opps!

      There is no you are an employee. There are no contracts between you a living man and a fictitious entity. A man cannot contract with a fiction. A man can only give his CONSENT to be held liable for it which that only happens at the time of any given subject that comes about. Like getting pulled over on the side of the road. The mere fact you might carry the State’s drivers license for ITS entity name, that does not do anything. It is what you SAY to that cop when he pulls you over that THEN AND ONLY THEN does your CONSENT happen depending on what you say! They TELL YOU that ANYTHING YOU SAY can and WILL be used against YOU! Yet most open their mouths and CONSENT based on what comes out of their mouths! Same thing when entering into any of their temples of just-us. They NEED YOU to self incriminate yourself to hold you liable and everything you say does exactly that! That is why one should NEVER EVER make any statements in their temples. You NEVER even go into their temples. The only time you should ever end up in one is ONLY when you are kidnapped by a borderline retard with a gun who doesn’t know any better. Then when brought before the priest in his black robe DO NOT MAKE ANY STATEMENTS! Only ASK QUESTIONS! Asking questions keeps the burden of proof on them and they cannot prove anything without you making statements they can use against you!

      What is the first thing they ASK you? What is YOUR Name? WHY would you answer that? What makes you think I have such a thing? Am I required to have such a thing? Are YOU so and so? By what AUTHORITY are you using that Name for personal identification to identify a man by? They have NO SUCH AUTHORITY! There is no legislation that gives them any such authority. If the legislation is not there no authority is there for them to use. It is ALL about what YOU SAY! Well, I have this form here that has YOUR picture on that says this is you! Really? And how and who put that picture on that form? Who created that form? And if that was MY picture then how did they get it? What are they doing with it if it is MINE? So I was to get a hold of an image that looked like you and I was to attach that image to a piece of paper and I was to cause for the words cow dung to be written on that paper, does that make YOU cow dung just because some 3rd party decided to take it upon themselves to create that piece of paper and attach some image that appears to look like you on it? Are you under some belief that I created that document myself and I said that is ME?

      It isn’t about you telling them that ain’t me. That is a statement and that don’t work. I know that ain’t me so I don’t need to say anything. THEY are saying that is me. So I am ASKING them by what authority are they using that name for the purpose of personal identification to identify me a living man? Show me the legislation you rely on that gives you any such authority? Opps! There is none? What do you mean there is none? Then you have no authority! Are you trying to compel me into committing an act of idolatry?

      NOTHING identifies ME. EVERYTHING identifies THEIR created entity Name. I am not a name and I am not their fictitious name the State created.

      You want me to identify ME? OK, I’ll identify ME. I am a man created in the image of God, do you rebut that? Good. Now you know who I am! Who are you? How can I help you?

       
      • Don

        November 7, 2012 at 5:26 AM

        John

        November 7, 2012 at 5:08 AM

        @ No, that isn’t why I appear on this blog. I appeared because of the topic that started this blog here. I responded to the other because you brought up.

        other because you brought up what?.

        2nd question, what is your opinion of the following, but please don’t answer with a sermon

        I am one of the People of The State of Virginia, A Republican State in/of The United States of America.
        I am a man made in our Father YHWH ha Elohiym’s image (Genesis 1:26-28) and endowed by my Creatorwith certain unalienable Rights as evidenced in “The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America”; July 4th, A.D. 1776.I am a sovereign Dei gratia.
        I act at all times “at arm’s length” unless I’ve otherwise and expressly agreed so in writing & by my right thumbprint as my identity.

         
      • John

        November 7, 2012 at 5:44 AM

        I am a man created in the image of my creator and I serve no other master such as the United States, Inc, or any of its subsidiary foreign State of XXXX, Inc’s.

        I was born on this land called Illinois state. Not in any State of Illinois. Not in any United States.

        I am not a party to any foreign corporate government including the original foreign constitution FOR the United States that was recorded in London as a foreign corporation 6 months prior to the founders signing it into their newly created government here.

        Republican or Democracy, all under one foreign corporation.

        When that war with the British ended, did the King claiming the men here at that time as his subjects, not free them all? Was there any government in place here at that moment in time? No. A select group of men decided to get together and create themselves their own government. They then allowed for the rest of the free men to freely volunteer as participants if they so choose. Only those free men in those days having always been subjects to a King thought that new foreign government created by only a select group of men meant they are all somehow obligated to it when they were not.

        By what authority did they have to create something that would make me bound by it over 200 years later just because I was born on the land I was born on? Where did I ever go down and sign onto their constitution to become a member to it? I didn’t. When did I ever meet their 3 requirements under their Act of CONgress to become one of their US Citizens? I didn’t! So no matter what you may have signed and said, that does not and cannot make you a US Citizen without meeting the 3 requirements established by CONgress.

        Under their foreign military occupancy they took it upon themselves to seize everything given to us by our creator and gave us their receipt called a birth certificate for us to use to obtain full indemnity to allow us to obtain everything rightfully belonging to us given by our creator. It is all pretty simple once you can see the whole picture.

         
      • John

        November 7, 2012 at 5:51 AM

        I am a man created by creator with FULL unalienable rights as I do not see anything where my creator limited me to only “certain” unalienable rights.

        I did not create any compact with any other men that would require me to reduce my full unalienable rights into only “certain” unalienable rights by making such a compact.

        I am one of the people on this free nation Illinois state. I am NOT one of the People of the foreign State of Illinois.

         
      • Don

        November 7, 2012 at 5:42 AM

        @You want me to identify ME? OK, I’ll identify ME. I am a man created in the image of God, do you rebut that? Good. Now you know who I am! Who are you? How can I help you?

        You really expect a dunce with an IQ of 80 to understand that? What do you mean Good, now you know who I am. BS !!! The only thing those kind know is how to get names, kick ass, get convictions & raise “revenue for the STATE.”

        How do you respond when he/she says” Let me see your driver’s license, & the other big 2 ?

        I have in my possession a “ticket” that says in pertinent part: No driver’s license AT ALL. What is the difference in “no driver’s license, & no driver’s license AT ALL?

         
      • John

        November 7, 2012 at 6:00 AM

        A friend of mine a few weeks ago was taking a late night walk. He walked by a cop who had 6 people on the side of the road. The cop walked up to my friend and said, I need some ID. My friend said to the cop, “I am a flesh and blood living sentient man created in the image of God, do YOU rebut that”? The cop said, OK, have a nice evening, and he walked away.

        Same friend some years back was pulled over. They asked for a DL. He said I don’t have one. They asked who he was. He said I’m a man. They asked if he had any type of ID? He said at my house right up the block I can show you a birth certificate. They said never mind, we can’t use that. We have no authority over you. They let him go.

         
      • Don

        November 7, 2012 at 6:09 AM

        John
        @November 7, 2012 at 5:07 AM and some of your other posts

        The following seems to be what you,John, are saying:

        NOTHING identifies ME. EVERYTHING identifies THEIR created entity Name. I am not a name and I am not their fictitious name the State created. The STATE issued ID that I,John “carry, but do not have,is proof of this.

        I’m going to bed, it’s after 4 am

         
      • John

        November 7, 2012 at 6:16 AM

        how does USING something make that YOU?

         
  106. Anon4fun

    November 7, 2012 at 4:42 AM

    Don:

    {(I,Don, say,Subjectship) The “creator is greater than the created.”}

    This is true. We are fiduciaries of the private US government corporation only because we volunteer to be. There is no involuntary servitude in this country.

    John:

    “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” – 14th Amendment

    Your birth certificate is accepted as proof you were born in the United States. Rather than disputing it when you had the chance, you affirmed this certification by using it as a basis for acquiring all-caps employment documentation from the United States government. In so doing, you satisfied the second, “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” criterion of 14th Amendment citizenship.

     
    • Don

      November 7, 2012 at 5:11 AM

      Anon4fun
      @November 7, 2012 at 4:42 AM

      That’s it,cut & dried.& as PatriotOne would say: Sooooo, gov-co is just bunch of BS.It’s Fkd dupp.

      Hey, Mentor, I’m glad my who,what,when,therefore, wherefore, & in addition to, & on top of that, & furthermore did not throw you a curve. I was being fuh C shus.

      What time zone are you in?

       
      • John

        November 7, 2012 at 5:23 AM

        All “persons”… So are you boys claiming yourselves to be a “person”? All persons i.e. fictitious entities. Are you a corporation or trust or fiction?

         
    • John

      November 7, 2012 at 5:13 AM

      Anon, both the courts and the IRS appear to not agree with you as far as my personal dealings go. Once again, it is not MY birth certificate. It is THEIR birth certificate and they will NOT give it to me. They will only give me a partial copy of the original which they told me to just USE that for THEIR benefit to be able to obtain my credit they depend on to support their corporation and their army while they are occupying this nation.

       
      • Don

        November 7, 2012 at 5:58 AM

        John

        November 7, 2012 at 5:23 AM

        All “persons”… So are you boys claiming yourselves to be a “person”? All persons i.e. fictitious entities. Are you a corporation or trust or fiction?

        These 2 questions make me think, you,John, have an IQ of 80. And you,John “carry” a STATE issued DL as proof that you are not who they presume you to be. Wow !!!

         
      • John

        November 7, 2012 at 6:01 AM

        Don, all I can tell you is, IT WORKS FOR ME!

         
    • john

      July 31, 2015 at 3:49 AM

      There is no MY birth certificate. We don’t have a birth certificate. The State has a birth certificate. That BC is for their “person” and not for you. So how does using the State’s “person” the State created on its birth certificate for its person, make me magically become that person? It doesn’t.

      We are not fiduciaries. We are creditors operating a person which is a debtor that we as the operator issue our credit to it. We are merely an agent for that person.

      The State which is a trust, is the owner/trustee of that person holding title to that person which the title is the original certificate of live birth. The United States which is also a trust is the beneficiary of the person.

      Under the national emergency, under direction of the President and Secretary, the States had to turn over all the interests and value in all property and convey, assign and transfer that interest and value to the account of the United States. The United States having received all the interests and value in all property became the beneficiary of all titles to all property.

      We the living who are issued a certified copy of the certificate of live birth are the beneficiaries of the trust called United States which holds all the interests and value in all property. Everything we do in the name of that person as its agent, is a debt obligation of the United States.

       
  107. Don

    November 7, 2012 at 6:19 AM

    The cop said, OK, have a nice evening, and he walked away.

    They said never mind, we can’t use that. We have no authority over you. They let him go.

    195 IQ’s without a doubt. Believe it or not, I’m glad it works for you. Stay out of NM.

     
  108. Anon4fun

    November 7, 2012 at 6:27 AM

    John,

    Either you intentionally came here to take a huge dump on Al’s blog, or you’re a heavy marijuana user who thinks he’s making sense. Which is it?

     
    • Don

      November 7, 2012 at 6:34 AM

      Mentor, go to bed.

       
  109. Don

    November 7, 2012 at 6:28 AM

    John
    November 7, 2012 at 6:16 AM
    @how does USING something make that YOU?

    I guess it’s about the same as “carrying” something you don’t have.

     
  110. Anon4fun

    November 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM

    Don,

    How many more absurdist exchanges with this character are necessary before you realize you’re feeding a troll?

     
    • Don

      November 7, 2012 at 2:26 PM

      Anon4fun
      @November 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM

      I’m exchanging messages with,John,because I want to see how many others will come to either his, or my “rescue.” I have seen “some” commentators in essence say he/she agrees with John on everything,he,John,says. I do too,in some things,because I understand those things.I’m hoping someone will tell me in a way I can understand what John is saying that I don’t understand.

      Mentor, I’m in the “Mountain Time ” Military Regional VENUE “Zone.” I wanted you to tell me what “time Zone” you are in just out of curosity.

       
  111. Anthony Joseph

    November 7, 2012 at 1:56 PM

    John,

    Thank you for your thorough explanations. I also USE a DL card and when it was time to add a signature, I wrote “Anthony Joseph d.b.a. ANTHONY JOSEPH SURNAME”. This is one way I choose to initially notify the issuing agency that I DO NOT identify myself as the “IT” right on their DL card. I also explain to any LEO who interrupts my travel that, “I am not presenting this DL card to as or for identification, it is for competentcy purposes only.” The competentcy being that a test was taken and a passing mark was given regarding “safe driving”. Furthermore, that there is a valid insurance policy in place in case I injure someone or damage property.

    I have been offered presentments (tickets) and I have timely Refused for Cause while forming the record around the refusal by utilizing the U.S. District Clerk of Court near my area and a case jacket (evidence repository) held there in trust which was opened as a Libel of Review regarding a different matter. The original presentment is sent back to the presenter via Registered mail with return receipt having REFUSAL FOR CAUSE written on each page in red ink along with the US clerk instruction letter to file the evidence (photocopies of the original presentment) in the case jacket.

    This approach has succeeded in other instances whereby the process (offer to consent) ceases. This approach however, has resulted in the DL being suspended for “not satisfying or paying” the ticket.

    In the latest instance, I provided them with a copy of the BC and instructed them to utitlize the trust/indemnity receipt (BC) in order to settle the matter and balance their books. I provided them the evidence of their property in order for them to find the proper accomodation party/trustee/executor so the matter could be discharged as I am facilitating the energy flow of their system so it can complete its circuit and settle the cause.

    The result was the same; suspended DL card.

    You say you USE a DL card as well, and I assume you have been offered presentments (tickets) as well. Is your method different only per your private issuance of the process? You say you only use regular stamps when sending private correspondance to the living man or woman operating the office. How do you deal with one who would completely ignore or deny receiving any such private mail since you have no way to provide proof of service?

    I like you ideas and offerings and would like to know if you participate elsewhere on the internet where there is less of an antogonistic tone.

    I do value those who challenge anyone’s opinions so long as that challenge is an earnest and honorable endeavor for the truth above all else.

    thanks,
    Anthony Joseph

     
    • PatriotOne

      November 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM

      @AJ,
      I like your reasoned approach.

      I also like your method, showing how the shysters ignore your refusal and continue to march on in their attack.

      As Alfred – Marcstevens.net – Rod Class and all others have found, ‘we’ might be correct (corpus delecti) but that doesn’t mean the shyster lawyers and judges are just and honest.

      Alfred said it correct many years ago “ANTI-SHYSTER”.

       
  112. Don

    November 7, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    Anon4fun
    November 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM
    Mentor, Wake up !! Get out of bed!!

    To John, & anyone else it may concern,

    I need to make a confession. I am a thief. In my my comment to John, on November 7, 2012 at 5:08 AM, last paragraph, I stole 99% of what I said from Alfred Adask. I thought it would be obvious.Apparently, John did not “catch it.”

    John,
    November 7, 2012 at 5:17 AM

    You,John,say: “don’t HAVE as in meaning they are not MINE. What I carry is not MINE. It is THEIRS for their benefit, not my benefit.”

    In other words,John, what you “carry but don’t have” is not for your “benefit” at all? Interesting but hard to swallow much less digest. Only for “their” benefit. oh, ok.

    John
    November 7, 2012 at 5:51 AM
    @ I am a man created by creator with FULL unalienable rights…..”

    John, are you “CERTAIN” about that?

     
  113. Don

    November 7, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    Adask
    November 7, 2012 at 1:27 PM
    Is this “concealed carry” or “open carry”?

    It seems to be both.

     
  114. Don

    November 7, 2012 at 4:39 PM

    John, you say,
    From day one it was only a republican FORM of government based on a majority vote i.e. mob rule!

    How is 100% as you,John say is needed, not a majority?

     
  115. David Merrill

    November 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM

    The 1040 Form has a field for Your SSN.

     
  116. Anthony Joseph

    November 8, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    If one does not establish the record whereby one is the living beneficiary of the estate in USE rather than the executor/trustee of a decedents estate, then the 1040 Form, when filled out conventionally, is evidence that the trustee of the resulting trust (one who claims FIRST MIDDLE LAST – a tort) has the liability, burden and obliagtion to settle the account associated with FIRST MIDDLE LAST.

    Perhaps that is why the potential for the IRS to ignore the demand for lawful money per 12USC411 arises; one who torts the trust cannot demand remedy at the same time.

     
  117. David Merrill

    November 8, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    How does refunding withholdings tort the trust? The Treasury was able to utilize those funds during the tax year.

     
  118. Anthony Joseph

    November 8, 2012 at 10:48 PM

    I do not say that refunding withholdings torts the trust, I say USING the trust improperly torts the trust. Operating the trust in honor and truth means we do not usurp ANY trust duty assigned to another (the STATE).

    The STATE is the original trustee of the FIRST MIDDLE LAST estate by its own choice to create such entities and the law governing such creations states clearly that whoever creates a thing is fully liable for the thing. It is up to us to correct the record because the STATE presumes WE will take on the role of trustee de son tort, and we do just that since we have been conditioned to do so. The trespass is taught to us as “normative” by everyone we “trust” as a child when we begin to reach the age of reason.

    We are taught that our NAME is FIRST MIDDLE LAST and we are taught to claim ownership of that NAME and anything associated with that NAME. We are taught to tort the STATE created property and the system from the get go. As a result, when we tort the trust, and the system that it operates under, we become the trustee of the resulting trust which we created by our own actions. The NAMES seem the same but it is just another layer of trust created by our own ignorance.

    This ignorance places us in the position of fiduciary and surety for the resulting trust and that duty is enforced by the STATE through each and every statute, code, ordinance or other legailty associated with PERSONS operating in a fictional realm. We become the responsible party to settle any causes and accounts in the FIRST MIDDLE LAST name.

    However, remedy and relief exists, as it must, and it is up to us to exercise it and our inherent exception properly. It must be made clear to the proper office, and in the proper manner, that we only USE the trust vessel (FIRST MIDDLE LAST) as special and highest interested party in the USUFRUCT as it was intended by its creator. That notice must be declared properly in order to correct the record from any false presumptions. Then, when we utilize the vessel in the proper manner, the demand for lawful money redemption pursuant to Title 12 U.S.C. §411 can be recognized and acknowledged because the vessel is not being torted by the demander.

    Those who do not USE the FIRST MIDDLE LAST vessel have the inherent God-given right to demand lawful money, and are redeemed by that choice (mandatory exception), when handling and using FRNs since the remedy is written into the law whether or not one uses the FIRST MIDDLE LAST vessel. I believe, however, there is an extra step of record correction for those who utilize the FIRST MIDDLE LAST vessel so as to squash the notion that a torter cannot claim the extant remedy from the FED’s elastic currency and credit system of false balances.

     
  119. David Merrill

    November 9, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    “I believe, however, there is an extra step of record correction for those who utilize the FIRST MIDDLE LAST vessel so as to squash the notion that a torter cannot claim the extant remedy from the FED’s elastic currency and credit system of false balances.”

    An extra step beyond redemption? Congress allows for the people to be redeemed from FIRST MIDDLE LAST as a constructive trust. (See Langer v. Pender – Para. 22.)

    They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand…

    That pronoun instead of “Federal Reserve notes” from two sentences before allows that I might substitute “People” into “They”.

    My notion on this is that a proper Refusal for Cause is the “record correction” to which you refer. However lately I am considering that all expenses whatsoever in execution of the Refusal for Cause should be expressly demanded in lawful money too. This would show we are The Good Church, funded by the Good Church and not from the “other” (mammon) system of the Fed/False Balances (elastic currency).

     
  120. colleen

    November 9, 2012 at 11:26 AM

    Thank you Anthony Joseph!
    I agree about remedy. And in the last year and a half we’ve been putting in- lawful money redemption pursuant to Title 12 U.S.C. §411 in back of the checks.

    I also agree-that , there is an extra step of record correction for those who utilize the FIRST MIDDLE LAST vessel. BUT WHAT? I’ve been racking my brain on this! THINKING
    OUT of the BOX. must WE CORRECT the presumption every time we “deal” in a contract?
    or
    PUT SOMETHING in public records?-but you’d STILL have to let them know where to look it up.
    To me, this is part of the I’m alive proof to set the record straight once andfor ALL!

    Any one have any thoughts on this? I’d BE so appreciative!!!

     
  121. Anthony Joseph

    November 9, 2012 at 4:13 PM

    The extra step I speak of is ONLY related to rebutting the flase presumption of tort against the FIRST MIDDLE LAST through proper notification that we only USE it but do not claim it in ANY WAY.

    I agree that a proper Refusal for Cause should be the record correction however it only seems to delay the process and it continues on sometimes without end. Perhaps the extra step of proper notification of our intents of USE would be the “brick wall” that ends the ongoing back and forth R4C process once and for all.

     
    • David Merrill

      November 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

      Maybe things like the Form 843 being notarized with the Demand and accompanied by a Commission Certificate ($5) from the Secretary of State? But also like I showed today – the envelope with the postage stamp cancelled by the demand stamping and the same stamp in my Return Address area under my name and above the address information.

      My point is that we should demonstrate our funding comes from correct true balances and rebut the presumption we are funded from the elastic currency of the Fed.

       
  122. Anthony Joseph

    November 9, 2012 at 11:06 PM

    Maybe.

    Or maybe we need to follow John’s method of private communication from the living (us) unto the living (oath-sworn office holder) who operates an office of the STATE. John has expressed, that through private correspondence, we the living communicate with the living man/woman occupying the office WITHOUT MENTION OR ADDRESS of said office/title (communicate True Name to True Name), so that we may manifest “end game” type success whereby we are once and for all recognized throughout the ENTIRE SYSTEM as being fully excepted from it whenever the FIRST MIDDLE LAST vessel is inquired about in ANY way by ANY party. Like must communicate with like and then the office holder is bound to do his/her official duty as commanded by the living.

    It is “end game” success I seek rather than ongoing back and forth R4C. I have executed the Form 843 in the latest correspondence/R4C from the IRS. Perhaps we may glean some info from the forthcoming response.

     
  123. David Merrill

    November 10, 2012 at 5:19 AM

    I know that R4C can become frustrating but in this current example it is the suitor’s home:

    “My latest R4C attached; smooth sailing here in State.

    They have been telling us they are ordering an appraisal for … I think over a year now but don’t think they ever have.

    Nickname.

    Attachment: Letter from True Name with a refusal for cause. (Last, Chris) (Entered: 11/XX/2012)”

    The attachment is an elegant two page R4C on a notice, just like a few previous notices that,

    “Dear Mortgager Customer;

    You have failed to reinstate your mortgage loan. Due to the default status of your loan we must order an appraisal of your property…”

    Thank you for sharing! There are many hoping for more results of the 843 Form – Claim for Refund and Request for Abatement. An endgame to this R4C process is encouraging:

    http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1623/irsform834forgiveness.pdf

     
  124. Anthony Joseph

    November 12, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    Hopefully John has not “abondoned ship”; I would like hear from him further.

     
    • Anthony Joseph

      November 12, 2012 at 10:33 PM

      There is no edit feature for misspellings; of course it is “abandoned ship”.

       
  125. Ray Vasri

    July 31, 2015 at 12:41 AM

    Great Article. Thanks for the info, super helpful. Does anyone know where I can find a blank “1041 Form” to fill out?

     

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