Terrorism By Government

14 Dec

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Anti-United States Internal Revenue Service symbol. Commonly used by tax protesters and tax reform advocates in the United States. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Don’t watch this video if you’re planning to go to sleep anytime soon.  It’s infuriating and likely to make you too mad to sleep.

The people in this video routinely refer to these raids as “paramilitary-style”.  They’re right.  But more precisely, what we’re really seeing is evidence of Terrorism conducted by government.   The government doesn’t fight terrorism; it should be prominently featured on its own list of terrorist organizations.

The sonsofbitches conducting these raids don’t belong in the free world.  In their hearts, they are nothing but Nazi thugs.  Every goddamn IRS agent who participated in this terrorist raid should be charged with “making terrorist threats” and jailed.  Every goddamn IRS agent, government official or judge who approves of these unconstitutional, terrorist tactics should be tried for treason and, if found guilty, hanged.




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70 responses to “Terrorism By Government

  1. Christian

    December 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM

    It sounds like they are operating under a martial law without declaring one to the public. I often read about a secret part of the patriot act. I wonder what is in it.

    • Flatwood

      December 17, 2012 at 8:07 PM

      Re: > It sounds like they are operating under a martial law ….

      No doubt in my mind that you are “absolutely right.” It was “established”during the so called civil war. You ain’t seen nuthin yet. Stay tuned.

      • Flatwood

        December 25, 2012 at 9:09 AM

        Re: It sounds like they are operating under a martial law ….

        I stand corrected. It (Martial Law) was put in force, after,General Lee’s surrender.

    • Jerry Lee

      December 19, 2012 at 6:31 PM

      General Orders No. 100 : The Lieber Code

      Martial Law – Military jurisdiction – Military necessity – Retaliation
      Article 1.
      A place, district, or country occupied by an enemy stands, in consequence of the occupation, under the Martial Law of the invading or occupying army, WHETHER ANY PROCLAMATION DECLARING MARTIAL LAW, OR ANY PUBLIC WARNING TO THE INHABITANTS, HAS BEEN ISSUED OR NOT. Martial Law is the immediate and direct effect and consequence of occupation or conquest.
      The presence of a hostile army proclaims its Martial Law.

      • Flatwood

        December 20, 2012 at 2:30 PM

        Jerry Lee,
        THANKS !!!
        Who else is interested in your post except me? So far, NOBODY !!! Hopefully this will change.

  2. PatriotOne

    December 14, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    The RAIDERS, BASTARDS, psychopath, government employees, men and women wearing costumes, playing their respective role(s) on the government stage, having taken the Oath of Office, never signing the Constitution of which the Oath applies, some of these government employees probably claiming to be christian and going to church on Sunday,…

    These same type of raiders/bastards locking down a Newton Connecticut elementary school AFTER a psychopath has murdered otherwise free people. The psychopath being able to murder several people because the BASTARDS had made it illegal for the people to bear arms at their school…

    Had the people ignored the LAWs of the bastards and bore guns and eliminated the psychopath would the bastards have arrested the people, successful at preserving their rights, and charged them with several 15 year felony crimes? Forcing the people to PROVE, at great expence, they had a right to preserve their lives?

    My life began before I ever heard about God. Therefore I have a right to my life whether I know God or not. One mans God might be another mans satan. I have the right to sustain my life because I am alive.

    If I cannot compell GovCo to leave my life alone simply because I am alive, I am forced like any slave to accept an authority over me.

    God offers to man life. God points out the self inflicted penalties of not choosing life, but God does not force any man to choose life.

    On the other hand, Man has documented (USA – Constitution) that government is without standing, excepting that it exist to defend only when called upon to defend, the defense must be without prejudice otherwise it would be an attack.

    Man has done this (USA – Constitution) from the principals of God but without God. For if man did this with God, every man having a different God, the USA – Constitution would be a contradiction of it-self. To Wit; “all Men are endowed by Their Creator…”, no particular God has been prejudiced.

    The RAID was without corpus delecti. The school shooting was also without corpus delecti, wherein the BASTARDS eliminated the right of self defense without corpus delecti.

    Freedom is nothing more than being left alone. Saying Hello to a passer-by does not trespass upon the passer-bys freedom. Grabbing onto the passer-by to say Hello does trespass upon the passer-by. It is up to the passer-by to bring charges, should he choose to do so.

    But GovCo is not a man. GovCo is actors. GovCo cannot say Hello, neither can it grab onto to say anything. The better description would be:

    Bowers v. Devito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982) (There is no constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by criminals or madmen. It is monstrous if the state fails to protect its residents against such predators but it does not violate the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, or, we suppose, any other provision of the Constitution. The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties; it tells the state to let the people alone; it does not require the federal government or the state to provide services, even so elementary a service as maintaining law and order.); (No duty to protect) = Rule 12(b)(6) Motion to Dismiss;Cf. Reciprocial obligations;


    • applescence

      December 15, 2012 at 12:29 AM

      The answer lies in the Declaration of Indepdence: “When a long train of abuses….”

      • Flatwood

        December 19, 2012 at 3:16 AM

        @ “When a long train of abuses….”
        What goes around come back around. You are, as PatriotOne will say,Soooo right.

  3. Oldraskill

    December 14, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

    He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

    He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

    He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness of his invasions on the rights of the people.

    He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

    He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

    He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

    He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

    He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

    He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

    He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

    For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

    For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

    For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

    For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

    He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

    He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

    He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

    He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

    He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

    In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

    • Adask

      December 14, 2012 at 5:37 PM


  4. menaradi RADI

    December 14, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    Hey Al: Last Weekend Homeland Security raided a small outside “Flea Market” in Bessemer, AL seizing $500,000 worth of merchandise off of 38 vendors; those people have yet to be charged with a crime….one officer on the news claimed they “suspected” criminal activity, and once the evidence is process, then they will start prosecuting….go figure! Get rich off the poor people, most of them I think were Mexican.

    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:12:44 +0000 To:

  5. Buck

    December 14, 2012 at 10:25 PM

    Our local Sheriff is supposed to protect his citizens from this sort of thing. Thats why he is elected as opposed to a police chief hired by local government. But most sheriffs offices are also now a paramilitary Gestapo.

    I had a run-in with the BLM i called the sheriffs office to have them cited for braking state law, trespassing, they refused to get involved.

    So much for equal protection.

    • Flatwood

      December 16, 2012 at 2:12 AM

      Hi Buck,
      Re: Our local Sheriff….
      It’s called. “Birds of a feather.”

  6. Buck

    December 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    By the way here is another short video of the feds helping people.

    The media making murder by the feds a joke, is shown in clips. Its the Weaver “incident”.

  7. flatwood

    December 15, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    Words cannot express my gratitude for this Alfred Adask Law blog & the astonishing achievements that have been made towards re-establishing the “original Republican form of Government.” I am convinced the “powers that be” have been monitoring this site & when they saw how intelligent & aware the people were/are of what was/is really going on they (powers that be) had no choice but to reverse their role & start serving instead of oppressing the people. Before Alfred Adask Law started, the tyranny then, v. now, has almost done a 180 turn. What a pleasure it is to be able to walk around & sing with joy, In the land of the free & the home of the brave, once again. Before this “Adask Law” site begin to expose the corruption in “gov-co,” it was the In the land of the fee & the home of the slave. What a CHANGE this site has made. I shutter to think what it would be like, if not for this site. Thank you, all of you, for being at least a MAJOR part of the change from tyranny to, as Doctor Martin Luther King Jr, said: Free at last, free at last. Thank God Almighty we’re free at last. And, I say, Thanks to this Adask “Law” blob, I am free at last. Once again, look at how it was BEFORE this Adask Law blob, & look at how it is NOW. Whoever cannot see a wonderful change for the better is a blind soul indeed.

    • Tony

      December 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM

      sarcastic prick

      • Flatwood

        December 16, 2012 at 2:07 PM

        I think a sarcastic prick is better than being an EGO MANIAC. I know you disagree. ANY brainwashed cult follower will disagree.Who would allow such a sourcastic remarked to be posted unless he/she is an ego maniac? Really believing what the sarcastic remark says !!!

      • Flatwood

        December 17, 2012 at 8:46 AM

        Per > You have no idea …..
        You read minds too, huh !?! WOW !!

    • foodstr2

      December 15, 2012 at 11:28 PM

      While you “shutter to think what it would be like, if not for this site”, I shudder at your attitude. (Open those shutters and let a little light in!).

      • Flatwood

        December 16, 2012 at 2:24 AM

        Re: December 15, 2012 at 11:28 PM
        Those who want to post comments only to show how smart he/she is & how much he/she is aware of sure helps to make a BIG difference in the way it IS doesn’t it? Where is the “light to let in?” This IS the “enlightened age” is it not?

      • foodstr2

        December 16, 2012 at 2:35 AM

        Well, shut my mouth! But, believe it or not, how you spell words and phrase sentences

        1. Can make a real difference in meaning, and
        2. Gains–or loses–the respect of those you are trying to influence (like sheriffs, police, lawmakers, judges….)

        But, no problem. I’ll leave quietly. I’m NOT well-schooled in the law….


      • Tony

        December 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM

        You have no idea how much Adask has both sacrificed and contributed and if you did and have a brain, you’d be ashamed.

      • foodstr2

        December 17, 2012 at 12:24 AM


        You *might* want to tread lightly in judging me regarding Al. I’ve known him for 18+ years and am proud to call him a friend.

        Nothing I’ve said here is directed at Al, except for my teasing about hating me for my ‘guide to interpret Revelation’. Other than that, it’s merely been a (failed) English lesson.


      • Flatwood

        December 18, 2012 at 7:59 PM

        @ But, no problem. I’ll leave quietly. I’m NOT well-schooled in the law….

        Well at least you are an honest food stretcher2

  8. foodstr2

    December 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    No reason you should be the ONLY person left who isn’t pissed at me … so, here ya go!

    Best regards,


    • Adask

      December 15, 2012 at 12:35 PM

      I have no reason to be angry at you. I don’t necessarily agree with your argument, but I recognize that you’re trying to find the truth. I respect that.

      However, if you prefer that I be “angry” at you, just let me know and I’ll try to fake it.

      • foodstr2

        December 16, 2012 at 3:25 PM

        If you’re interested, send me your shipping address via email, foodstr22 @, and I’ll send you samples of the canned meats we sell (beef, chicken, pork, turkey and ground beef) minus any you don’t eat. Please ID yourself by telling me what I did at FER. Regards, Bruce

    • Anon4fun

      December 15, 2012 at 6:07 PM


      I have been looking at this question for a while now myself. What I would like someone to explain is, what is the argument from scripture that overrides the “at hand” and “shortly come to pass” language in Revelation and places the events of that book two millennia or more into its author’s future?

      • foodstr2

        December 15, 2012 at 8:29 PM

        Precisely. Anon. The (relatively recent) interpretation–that the book of Revelation applies to us, today–came about when the Church went “feeling based” rather than “truth based” or “Scripture based” in the 1800’s with the introduction of experiential religion. (I.e., “my experience/feelings override what Scripture says” or, “I don’t care WHAT the Bible says, THIS is how God makes me feel.”) If God didn’t intend for us to use our heads in understanding/believing in Him, he wouldn’t have used so much logic and reasoning throughout His Book.

    • Flatwood

      December 19, 2012 at 3:25 AM

      To: foodstr2
      @ Precisely. Anon.
      I think you meant to insert a comma after precisely, instead of a period, I’ll shut my mouth & leave quitely.

    • Flatwood

      December 21, 2012 at 10:28 AM

      December 17, 2012 at 12:24 AM
      Re:Your message to,Tony.

      I think his,Tony’s comment was directed at/for me,not you, foodstr2. By the way, what does the “str” in foodstr2, mean?

    • Tony

      February 21, 2013 at 9:48 PM

      Hi foodstr2,

      I just saw this. I was not referring to you, but to flatwood.


  9. F T Gordon Sr.

    December 15, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    Jefferson said “States are free and independent States, with full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce and do all acts and things which all independent States may have of right to do. A State is a sovereign political entity equal to The State of Great Britain with exclusive [sovereign] control of their diplomatic and commercial relations and including promotion of domestic peace and tranquility and the protection of life, liberty and property and all other acts and things. He also said these powers are undefined and unlimited. ” Madison said the States retained their delegated powers. He also said the general government was to be involved in general things like war and peace and negotiation and the States would be involved with internal objects. The Tenth Amendment gives the government 17 powers and all the rest to the States. The FBI is part of the general government and thereby an agent of the Union of States and subordinate to the United States. Because each State of The United States is sovereign, the general government must ask permission of the State to enter that State. Permission can come from the State legislature or executive. No part of the agency general government can tresspass into State grounds. This includes FBI, EPA, TSA or any other group. We must start teaching the Constitution and early American history in our schools from K-12. I would also like to see all people running for public office must take a course in Constitutional Law and pass a test with 100% correct answers before they work for government. Tell your representitives that you want this! Thanks. FTG

    • Flatwood

      December 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM

      Re:…..must take a course in Constitutional Law……

      The powers that be do a top notch job of supporting,upholding,etc,. the constitution(s). What is not understood is: Supporting,etc., the constitution(s) as unlawfully amended. See Judge L.H. Perez analysis of the 14th amendment. This also applies to ALL of the rest of the following Federal Constitution amendments. ALSO, each state/State/STATE Constitution says the “unlawfully” amended Federal Constitution IS the Supreme Law of the Land..

      • Fallon T Gordon Sr MD

        December 16, 2012 at 1:31 PM

        Lawyers are taught The Constitution mostly through “CASE” law. This gives them the law through the eyes of progressives and not through the Constitution and not through the known meaning and intent of of the Founders, Framers and those that Ratified the Constitution. Other than Amendments, those who ratified the Constitution, gave the final meaning and intent to The Constitution. Two excellent books on the meaning and intent of the Constitution are; 1.0 “The Founding Fathers Guide To The Constitution” by historian Brion McClanahan. This book is simple and clear. Most of it comes from the people living at the Founding period. 2.0 Constitutionalist lawyer Robert G Natelson “The Original Constitution” second Edition is also excellent. The Supreme Court is a trrible place to find Constitutional law! Look at obamacare. What is it about? Answer is : About MEDICINE. Medicine is not mentioned in the Constitution and is practiced in a State. Quite simply Medicine is in the realm or purview of individual States and has nothing to do with the Federal government, including the Supreme Court. The Courts should not have allowed it to reach beyond State level! Obamacare is not in the Constitution and is therefore not Constitutional and not a part of the general government. It belongs with the States. The Declaration dsiscusses the “Natural Right” to protection of Life; But the Supreme Court allows the killing of life. So do not look to the courts for meaning and intent! And be sure that books you read about the Constitution know what they are talking about. For instance there are two prominent books supposedly about The Constitution that “aren’t worth the paper they are printed on” FTG

    • Flatwood

      December 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM

      Yes, & “gay” used to mean happy, cheerful, etc. The “Law” today means & IS whatever the “Statutory Courts” say it is. I don’t like it either but that’s just the way it is. Someone recently told me he heard a “BAD” band the other night. Some years ago he would have said, he heard a “GOOD” band the other night.

  10. Oldraskill

    December 15, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    Here is how they can do what there doing, with there yellow fringed Flag.

    Martial Law is declared by President Lincoln on April 24th, 1863, with General Orders No. 100; under martial law authority, Congress and President Lincoln institute continuous martial law by ordering the states (people) either con-scribe troops and or provide money in support of the North or be recognized as enemies of the nation; this martial law Act of Congress is still in effect today. This martial law authority gives the President (with or without Congress) the dictatorial authority to do anything that can be done by government in accord with the Constitution of the United States of America. This conscription act remains in effect to this very day and is the foundation of Presidential Executive Orders authority; it was magnified in 1917 with The Trading with the Enemy Act (Public Law 65-91, 65th Congress, Session I, Chapters 105, 106, October 6, 1917). and again in 1933 with the Emergency War Powers Act, which is ratified and enhanced almost every year to this date by Congress.

    Today these Acts address the people of the United States themselves as their enemy.


  11. Flatwood

    December 16, 2012 at 2:32 AM

    Re: yellow fringed Flag.
    I cannot understand why no one else seems to understand what you say. BUT, IF everyone DID understand, would it be any different?

    • Jerry Lee

      December 19, 2012 at 6:41 PM

      Army Regulations 840-10
      c. Authorization for indoor display. The flag of the United States is authorized for indoor display for each-
      (4) Military courtroom.

      • Flatwood

        December 20, 2012 at 2:45 PM

        Jerry lee,
        Re: Army Regulations 840-10

        That’s RIGHT !!! May be I should wait at least 24 hours to see if anyone else responds to comments like yous & Oldraskill’s before I comment. I guess most people like rabbit trail comments,form instead of substance, etc.

  12. Flatwood

    December 16, 2012 at 4:31 AM

    Per: Well, shut my mouth…
    Good idearuh. I opened the shutters & started to shudder. Sooooo, NOW, I can say I made a mistake ONCE. This makes me tied with YOU.

  13. Andy

    December 16, 2012 at 6:34 AM

    I suggest everybody watch from 11-09 – 11-16. Here’s the link for the November 9th show:

    Here is a summary of the 9 Harbingers: (Please ignore the bad synchronization)

    The parallels between ancient Israel and current Amerika are too perfect to be brushed away.

    • Flatwood

      December 18, 2012 at 7:36 PM

      Re: jimbakkershow.
      Have to give him,Jim Bakker, credit for naming/calling it correct,i.e.e.g.,SHOW

  14. 1st trustee

    December 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    Lots of points to need to made about this video.

    While for the average person, this video will conjure up all types of emotion (hate and anger so far) we must be careful how we throw certain words around. Calling this “Terrorism by Government” is a misnomer. I have friends in military intelligence and a while ago he had this to say about terrorism:

    “Terrorism relates to the intent of the act–not to the physics of the act. Putting a bomb in a car with solely the intent to kill is assassination, but not terrorism. Putting a bomb in car with the intent to kill and the intent to intimidate and affect policy is terrorism–because of the intent.”

    As he deals with terrorism for a living, I’m sure he has a very deep understanding of the term. Still, looking at everything, how can a gov commit terrorism on its own itself? It can’t by definition. It not out to create policy change. The opposite is true, the gov is defending the current status quo, thus it is not terrorism. With this logic, one could never charge the gov with acts of terrorism. Got to find another cause of action and take it to the U.N. However, there are other ways to bring down the hammer on the bullies that hide behind the idea of the gov. Got to think outside the box a little, but I digress.

    Now on to some other points.

    This video presented some interesting situations that I would guess some of the viewers of this blog will understand as I point them out. However, before I get to those items I must say that while the video would generally move people a certain way, I feel no remorse for anyone in the video. Aggressive behavior, paramilitary tactics, the feeling of no rights? An all too often experience in the rest of the World at the expense of the people in America to live in their bubble. I am in now way blaming people for anything but pointing out the facts (read Economic Hit Man). Not that the actions are generally justifiable (but they are in many ways which is beyond the scope of this reply). But the bubble of illusion has been burst for those people and anyone angry at the actions. They say ignorance is bliss but I say cui bono. Many have been in denial and living an illusion for quite some time. Actually, its funny to hear people say “wake up” when they themselves are still asleep and only are jarring awoken when something happens to them once or twice. Try daily, then we’ll talk. Digressing again :)

    While the video was only a re-enactment, watching it carefully an astute (or trained) observer will notice a few things:

    -The lawyer didn’t know what to do in the situation. Ironic.
    -Everyone kept saying this “shouldn’t be happening.” These same actions happen everyday but a blind eye is turned. There is no difference here.
    -There is a constant mention of the Constitution which has no standing in the situation.
    -The people never seemed forced to do anything (from the video), they volunteered every step of the way due to their ignorance (yes they had guns but so what).
    -The agents made declarations but again, so what? If I tell everyone they have no rights, does that make it true?
    -The chairman guy clearly said “the state should be protecting it’s citizens from the Feds…” Ummm…how many are you are [insert your state here] citizens? Or is everyone a U.S. citizen? Trading with the Enemies Act anyone?

    These business lost millions. What lesson is everyone going take from this? Mine is get your trust set up and get your $h*t together…asap!

    • Flatwood

      December 17, 2012 at 4:21 PM

      To: 1st Trustee
      IF you are a lawyer, yourself, FINALLY, I have come in contact with a wonderful one. IF you are not a lawyer, you have missed your calling. Some of the best lawyers NEVER went to law school, BUT they are awaiting the resurrection.

      • 1st trustee

        December 17, 2012 at 4:41 PM

        1st trustee: I’ve seen an agent punch through a concrete wall. Men have emptied entire clips at them and hit nothing but air. Yet their strength and their speed are still based in a world that is built on rules. Because of that, they will never be as strong or as fast as you can be.

        Flatwood: What are you trying to tell me, that I can dodge bullets?

        1st trustee: No, Flatwood. I’m trying to tell you that when you’re ready, you won’t have to.

        Lawyers are limited by the system they operate in, we are not, yet I can do what they do too. Why would any ever want to be a lawyer? I’m about life business, not legal business. It’s merely a form for freedom (legal) that needs to be understood for me to obtain full freedom (legal, mental, financial, physical & emotional/spiritual). I have the 3 of 5 down, 2 more to go at which point, I’ll start to levitate and glow. Nonetheless, they all must be maintained like everything of true of value in this world. As they saying goes, freedom isn’t free so I fight (for myself and others) everyday :D

  15. Flatwood

    December 17, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    I believe that somewhere in the “good ol U.S.of A.” there are lawyers, not attorneys, with integrity.
    However, if I lived to be 200 years old, I probably never would meet one even if I tried to search one out.
    The Apostle Paul told Timothy, to bring ? (forget his name) the LAWYER with him on his next visit. I meant no offense by asking you if you were a lawyer. There is good & bad in everything, in my opinion. A good lawyer is sharp. So are you. One problem is, if 5 people read your responses, there may very well be 5 different “opinions.”

  16. Anon4fun

    December 17, 2012 at 10:05 PM


    It is difficult to broach these topics with fellow Christians. They sometimes think you are trying to shake their faith or play holier-than-thou because what you discern through study in God’s word is different than what they believe is there without a close enough look. The traditional churches claim the Bible says things it really doesn’t, creating the need to read and think for oneself. Of course being agreeable to others is a positive trait, but not at the expense of God’s truth. I have been wrong on these matters myself, and I thank those who took the chance of correcting my error.

    Matthew 10:32-39 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

    • foodstr2

      December 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

      The misinterpretation of Scripture–along with man’s ego/pride–is what’s responsible for the number and wide range of denominations today AND neglect of Truth.

      The FOCUS of Scripture, from Genesis 3:15, through the book of Revelation, is on God’s Messiah or Christened One, Jesus Christ. In the Old Testament, God takes some ‘side trips’ in prophesying what will happen to various nations (because of their turning from Him, their unjustness toward other nations, and/or the persecution of His people), but the focus is on Jesus. 1. “He’s coming” (O.T.), 2. “He’s here” (N.T.), 3. “He’ll destroy anyone who attempts to destroy His People, the Church, the “called-out ones” (Revelation) which is what the Greek word for “church” literally translates to.

      The “seeking for Revelation’s signs today” movement takes peoples’ focus OFF Jesus (which is Satan’s aim) and puts it on sign-seeking. Since so few STUDY Scripture anymore, they take the feeling-route and follow false teachers, seeking for modern-day fulfillment. To understand the book of Revelation, it’s imperative that you understand the Old Testament … and that takes some work.

      John writes, Rev. 1:1, after stating that “the things must shortly come to pass”, that God “signified” it by His angel. That word means sign-i-fied: God put Revelation in signs or symbols. Then, John proceeds to put the details of the destruction of Rome–because of its mistreatment of the Church–into symbols (probably to protect the Church from worse at Rome’s hand) … and, again at the end of the book, says those things aren’t far off for Rome.

      THIS is what gave the early Christians comfort while the greatest power on Earth did all it could to destroy the baby Church. And THAT PRINCIPLE applies for all Christians for all time … hence the timelessness of the book of Revelation, and NOW the FOCUS is back on Christ.

      Keep in mind that what I’m saying is NOT a radical new idea. It’s what the Church believed and taught for centuries until it got “touchy-feely” with the coming of pentecostalism. Our adversary, the Devil, if he fails in subverting man from God through the seven deadly sins, has this last try to get Christians off-path using misunderstanding…

      Now, before you guys furiously hit your keyboards to flame me, I’m NOT saying–and I don’t believe–that you must understand Revelation this way in order to be saved. How you interpret Revelation has NOTHING to do with salvation. I’m merely–and, it appears, generally unsuccessfully–describing what’s going on in the Book.

      God bless you all, especially in your study of the Old Testament.


      • Flatwood

        December 18, 2012 at 7:21 PM

        Re:send me your shipping address …

        If he does that, then he won’t have one, will he, nitpicker? Maybe it’s nutpicker. I’m sure U use nuts in some of your recipes.

        P.S. Do you ever study the New Testament? If so, which one is the hardest to understand ? Or, are they both about the same?

  17. foodstr2

    December 18, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    A couple of things, Flatwood. First, when you call someone a name, you should capitalize that name. Thus, I would be Nitpicker or Nutpicker. (See? Even in this I’m living up to your name for me! But, if you think what I stated above regarding interpreting the book of Revelation was “nitpicking”, I’m sorry to say, you’ll never understand the book….)

    Second, in MY copy of the Bible, Revelation IS in the New Testament … which was what the discussion was about. But to understand it, you’ve GOT to understand the Old Testament because three-fourths of it has reference to the O.T.

    I study–and was taught–both testaments. I’ll take your P.S. as a bona fide question and not mockery:

    With the proper background or foundation, both are equally easy to understand. The issue is with the “background or foundation”. For understanding the Old Testament, history and geography are important (which was one of the first courses I had in my education, called, appropriately, History and Geography.) Then, the New Testament makes a lot of sense, especially the books of Hebrews and Revelation.

    There’s a REASON for there being four Gospel accounts:

    Matthew wrote to the Hebrew (Jewish) mind (emphasizing Jesus’ fulfillment of O.T. prophesy),
    Mark wrote to the Roman mind (emphasizing the power of Jesus’ miracles, which particularly impressed Romans)
    Luke wrote to the Gentile (non-Jewish) mind (using logic & reasoning along with the above)
    John basically addressed the world, all of us.

    I’m sorry that I don’t have the time to go verse-by-verse with Revelation. I think you’d find it fascinating. Go to Jim McGuiggan’s site for a most interesting treatment of the Book. It’s not POPULAR, but it’s true and Jim is an excellent write and speaker.
    or, if he’s moved it, to

    There’s also a bit more in-depth discussion at my blog:

    Keep your mind open … but your brains in place.


    • Flatwood

      December 19, 2012 at 3:53 AM

      Well shut my mouth,but you wrote: “God bless you all, especially in your study of the Old Testament.” See your post of/on, December 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

      @ I’ll take your P.S. as a bona fide question and not mockery:

      Not mockery? What do you think you were doing when you brought to my attention my humongous error by typing shutter instead of shudder? I think I had 3 words on my mind at the time, stutter,shutter, & shudder. I admit I made a stupid mistake but when I read comments & I know what the poster meant, I don’t bring it to his/her attention about the misspelling, unless he/she has notified me of same as you, foodstr2, did. THEN, I do look for mistakes in his/her comments so I can also “be of help” to him/her & alert him/her to the error(s).” I think I’m going to order some of you food. I’m serious. Thanks for the links. I will look them up & study same, I pomise.

      • Flatwood

        December 19, 2012 at 3:59 AM

        YOUR food, not, you. There I go again. Just thought I would beat you to it,e.g., bringing that error I made up. No need now to do that,right?

  18. foodstr2

    December 19, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    You misjudge my heart, Flatwood. (Can I call you “Flat” since we’re becoming buds??)

    In the mid-’60s I served a 4-year printer’s apprenticeship. As part of it, I had to do 6 months of proofreading. I was so good at it that, when I reached journeyman, they made me company proofreader. (Hold down the applause. It gave me a bleeding ulcer, literally.)

    THAT gave me an eye for catching typos and misuse of English. So, I couldn’t resist poking fun when I caught your misspelling … especially since you seem to be this thread’s policeman.

    That said, I just came across one you might enjoy, too, in another venue:

    “Any business opportunity is welcome.

    “Please place under correct category.

    “NO TOLERANCE to Pornography, sexual content or any fowl language. You will be BANNED.”

    (Apparently, on his board, I can talk as dirty as I like as long as I don’t discuss birds….)

    Best wishes to you!


    • Flatwood

      December 20, 2012 at 2:09 PM


      Re: since we’re becoming buds…

      No question about it. You’re a mind reader. I admit there is something wrong with me. Sometimes when I am reading something I typed, back, a word appears that is really not there. I say how could I have “typed that?” I read it again & the word does not appear as it did before. As far as shutter goes, I honestly thought when I read it back it said, shudder. I “saw” 2 d(eze) & not 2 tees. Yes, thank you for pointing out my errors but you also “rubbed it in.” If this was reversed, I would have responded, IF at all, by asking: Did you mean shudder instead of shutter? If not, will you please explain what I am missing,e.g.,not understanding? Thanks.

      When I can get my computer fixed, I will get in touch with you re: your food. Am having an E-mail problem.

  19. Flatwood

    December 20, 2012 at 2:23 PM

    Re: you seem to be this thread’s policeman.

    You can really help me by explaining why you said this. I certainly don’t want to be “this thread’s policeman.” Look ! I don’t even have a high school education. i only went to the 6th grade. Henry Ford went to the 2nd grade,however. Once upon a time you could take your “mode of conveyance” to a mechanic & get it (automobile) fixed. Today, we need several specialists to accomplish the same thing.

    Best of everything to you & yours !!!

  20. foodstr2

    December 20, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Now, Flat, cut it out! Keep THIS up and you’ll convince me you’re REALLY my long lost brother, Michael. I, too, dropped out of high school, 1963. (I *did* do home study, though, and got my GED in ’84.)

    You’re extraordinarily well-spoken and well-educated for dropping out of school so early. I’m guessing you read a lot? (The “policeman” thing is merely b/c you rarely miss commenting on anyone’s post.)

    • Flatwood

      December 21, 2012 at 1:35 AM

      Had to take a double take on “Michael” because that is my name. I was adopted though.

      Re: well-educated for dropping out of school so early.

      In other words, not bad for a 6th grade education.<(: Thanks. I hope to be/get better. I once read a lot. Somehow, when my studies N 2 the law began, some things I read didn't add up. Sometimes when I read something it just overwhelmed me as making sense & being true. It was as though I was being divinely guided. I truly wanted to know the truth.

      I recall going to church with my parents when I was about 5 years old, & we passed a church & I asked my Dad, why don't we go to that church, it's closer to home? He said, we don't believe like they do. The same thing was said after we passed 3 more. I did not like the church we went to. It did not make sense to me,even then, as a child. Sunday was always the worse day of the week for me because of what I knew I was going to have to be subjected to. Later on, when I did not have to go to "that church," I went to others, that were a "little better" but something was still missing. Yet, ALL these churches had the "same Book." I knew this, IF one of them was right, all the rest had to be wrong, since they all disagreed with each other. BUT, which one was right? Later, I found out none of them were right. Oh yes, everyone had some truth. I am not implying that I knew who was right. But when I asked the Supreme Creator to PLEASE let me understand this or that the WAY He did, that prayer was answered. Not overnight, however. What is it we are not supposed to talk about? Religion, Politics. & something else, that slips my mind right now. Yet this about ALL I do talk about. The things I'm not supposed too. That's how smart I am.

      I do read everyone's comments because I try to have an outgoing concern for everyone. AND, I comment when I probably should not. In all honesty it frustrates me when hardly anyone will answer my question(s) when I respond to their posts. Sometimes I believe I already know the answer but I ask questions for "food for thought" purposes & want to see the response to those questions. I am left hanging for the most part. Also, I am hoping their comments to my questions will
      give me "food for thought." Well, I am with foodstr2. To me you are/have become # 1 not 2.

      Michael, aka Flat

      P.S. I will see my errors after I post this.

      • foodstr2

        December 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM

        Well, Michael, now you’re toying with me, peeking in the windows (I’m going to draw my shades tighter!), or merely trying to freak me out. My brother, Michael, was adopted. If you next tell me that your older sister, Diane, was adopted, it may be time for a family reunion!

        Oh, and I chose the screen name, foodstr2, back in ’96ish when you were limited to 8 characters. I chose 2–instead of 1–because I didn’t want it to be confused with the letter L … and lose emails.
        Was *hoping* to become known as “the Foodster” (much as speed demons are known as “speedsters”) due to my food sales … but, alas, the E was a 9th character and at least one number was required in a screen name at the time.

        So, I’ve got some nitroglycerin pills on order, have an ambulance on call, and am holding my breath, awaiting your reply.

        (If you have just too much time on your hands and are bored-out-of-your-skull, my life story can be found under “About” at ) After I do a bit of further research, I’ll be updating that blog to explain to people WHY the world didn’t end today….



  21. Flatwood

    December 21, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Re:December 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM

    (I’m going to draw my shades tighter!)

    I shuTTer at that !! <(:

    Re: If you next tell me that your older sister,Diane, was adopted,it may be time for a family reunion!

    My stepdad worked on a "government project" for many years & developed some kind of asbestos disease from it. My mother was supposed to inherit some sort of compensation but she died before it was finalized or whatever. I forget the agency, that kept notifying me, quarterly, about the "latest info." but this agency (?) insisted that there were 3 children, not 2. If this is true, then I have a sister OR another brother that I never knew about. But, I am certain this 3rd child was mis-information on its (agency) part. So, until I can come up with the information this agency wants about the 3rd child, it's at a standstill as to anything being dispersed. I cannot come up with something I do not know anything about. BUT, could it be Diane? <(: Been at a standstill for over 10 years.

    Thanks for the link. I will read about you.

    Re:….. WHY the world didn’t end today….

    It's not over yet. :)
    I'm not the least bit concerned, except, I wish it would end.(this age, that is)

    One of your Buddy's

  22. foodstr2

    December 21, 2012 at 9:13 PM

    Wow! You are a genius … you brought it full circle!

    If you read my bio, you now know we’re not related. Sorry I couldn’t have helped, in some way, with your disbursement. I’ve been tied up with other projects and have yet to do the ‘splainin’ about the world not ending. It’s from a different take from what most could imagine.


    • Flatwood

      December 22, 2012 at 6:01 PM

      Hello foodster #1 (1 for First Class) & my BUDDY !!!
      Re: Wow! You are a genius
      FINALLY, someone understands !!! (: :) FINALLY !!!

      Yes, I did read your bio. I cannot get an e-mail to “send.” Therefore, let me ask you this. Are you D, B, or both? I can understand the “surname” change, but not the/your,name. I don’t want to be explicit, but I don’t know of any other way to ask this. However you did post the link so anyone else can access it. WOW !! You & I have lived in the SAME States. I have lived in everyone you mentioned, was close to you in,San Mateo,Ca. I am at a loss to understand how you have the time to comment on this blog, considering what you said about your business. Do you accept money orders for food purchases? If so, what is your preference, M.O. speaking? I have been told before, “oh no, don’t send a Wal-Mart M.O.

      You know what? I am ashamed of myself for responding to you in the manner I did on previous occassions. “Good ol human nature in the raw.” BUT, there are degrees of that.


      • foodstr2

        December 22, 2012 at 8:21 PM

        There’s no need for an apology, Michael. One of the most difficult things to do in writing is to convey TONE, especially when you don’t know the other person. When I reread my teasing comment, I could see how you could take it wrong. So, I’m just as guilty, and I’m sorry.

        I’m assuming your “D or B” question refers to Donald or Bruce. I go by the latter, and that’s what’s on my birth certificate. I’ve never hired a P.I. to look into it, nor even done a PAID search, but I did do a public records search for S.F. births in ’47 on my birthday, and could find no Donald Kuntz. But I did find my name. What I DON’T know is whether the birth cert. is made out in one’s birth name or in the adopted name … but since it’s something my folks told me, THAT might not even be true. (Makes it tough to do a genealogical search, huh?)

        From our “parallel residences”, it looks like Someone’s been trying to put us in touch! Where do you live now? (I, very provincially, assume everybody who reads Al’s blog lives in Texas. I’m in Quinlan, TX, about 40 miles East of Dallas.)

        As to time to post here…. The past 4 years, our food business did just over a million-a-year in sales. THIS year, we’ve done about $250,000 …. so it’s VERY slow (when people SHOULD be prepping like crazy). If it gets busy, you’ll see long delays in replying!

        We accept any form of payment. We just let checks/M.O.s clear before we ship.

        Oh, I *did* get the world-not-ending comment done, if you’re interested.

        Best regards,


  23. Flat

    December 23, 2012 at 6:41 AM

    Re: That’s right, Jesus was born from 13 years to 4 years before He was born.
    BUT, we know the DAY? December, 25th? What am I missing here?

  24. foodstr2

    December 23, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    REALLY sorry about this one, Michael, but the day was NOT December 25th. A Google search on “origins of Christmas” should bring up how that day came about. Basically it was to “fit in” with a pagan holiday (in the Catholic church’s desire to be something-for-everyone. If memory serves, it was Nupercanalia.). Jesus was actually born sometime between Spring and late Fall, no one knows the date. The quick proof is the “shepherds keeping watch over their flocks in the fields”. That didn’t happen in Winter when the flocks were boarded up (for feed and to protect them from predators.).

    Fair warning about me: Ever since about age 18 (I’m 65 now), I’ve been on a GENUINE search for Truth. This has resulted in MANY of my icons being smashed and beliefs found to be untrue…. Hope I didn’t spoil Christmas for you. (You COULD take comfort, though, in knowing that nowhere in Scripture are we told to remember Jesus’ birth. We ARE told to remember His death.)

    Bruce, “the iconoclast”

  25. Flatwood

    December 23, 2012 at 8:51 PM

    THANK YOU !!!
    Remember, I said I ask questions, “sometimes” for, “food for thought.” I saw one of your comments before, where you wished everyone,” a happy holiday” & thought you were an “observer of Christmas,” possibly, but without coming right out & saying: “Merry Christmas.” Yes, the “tree was cut out of the forest & decorated,” long before the “Mass of Christ” ever came into being. I think Jeremiah,10th chapter,has a little something to say about that. IF IF IF you get a chance, see my comments below to Valerio & Adask

    To: Valerio from Flatwood, December 18, 2012 at 4:05 PM (Bamboozled thread)

    Christmas?? How about Saturnalia? A “Pope” changed the name, that’s all. Then put “Christ in in to “clean it up.” The “mass of Christ, to Christ’s mass,to Christmas. Nowhere in the Holy Scriptures is anyone told to remember his birthday. I’m sure if it would have, it would not be remembered. We are told to remember his death, however, by observing “Passover.” How many do that? Sure, the Jews observe Passover, but Yahshua/Yeshua is not a part of “their Passover.”

    Comment below, from me to Adask
    December 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM (End of World thread)

    This comment is only for those who may be unaware. It’s “par for the course” isn’t it, that “man” through the influence of Satan, starts a “new year” in the middle of “dead winter,” & a “new day” in the middle of the night (darkness)?”

    This day,in Yahweh’s time,ends at sunset. The “true new year” begins in the Spring, when “new life “springs” forth. I don’t know that I know the correct way to pronounce or spell the Supreme “God’s” name correctly so hopefully someone can help me out in that regard.
    However,I think obeying his laws as best as we can is much more important to the “Supreme God” than knowing OR pronouncing the “name” right. Just my opinion though.

    Adask, responded by saying in essence, that, we are not talking about “jewish days”………

    Bruce, I did not know that “Jews” (Tribe of Judah) had even come into existence when, “the evening & the morning” were/became the first day & so forth. I did not respond to Adask because I did not want him to think I was “getting cute” or trying to start an argument.

    See ya later alligator,
    NOW,I’m going back to your “links.”

  26. foodstr2

    December 25, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    Thanks for clearing up the Saturnalia thing. I don’t know where I got the Nupercana part. Maybe just aging memory….

    I’ve never given ANY thought to the times of observing the day or year. You ARE accurate in what you say … but I’m not sure God is concerned AS LONG AS we’re not ‘mis-observing’ them in honor of a false god. (I know *I’m* not!). If it was of import, I’d have thought Jesus or the Apostles would have brought it up. Most of the world, at that time, didn’t count days as starting in the evening, and years were commonly reckoned from the time of a famed king. (“In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea…”)

    I do believe, however, that our remembrance of the death of Christ is–ceremoniously–to take place each Lord’s Day (Sunday) in the taking of the Lord’s Supper (breaking of the unleavened bread).

    • Flatwood

      December 26, 2012 at 10:36 AM

      It is hard for me to communicate like this,i.e. internet. I wish we were eyeball to eyeball. Please know that I am sharing with you my “understanding” of what I say/type. I stand to be corrected in ALL things. I’m just doing the best I can, with what I understand. It seems that’s the best anyone can do.

      Thank you for your patience & I hope you see when I am trying to be funny,i.e.,e.g., you telling me I am a genuis & I agreeing. It takes one to know one & you know IT IS HARD to be humble when we genuises understand things as we do. :)


  27. foodstr2

    December 25, 2012 at 3:32 PM

  28. foodstr2

    December 26, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    You’re doing a great job of communicating! I just run into so many legalistic people, I was concerned that that was what you might have been saying regarding observing day/year start-times. Sorry if I mistook it. My brain *may* not be firing on all cylinders. (Had the worst Christmas ever….).



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