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“It Works the Same in Every Country”

11 Feb

Goering

Hermann Goering raised an important implication:  Yes, governments will cynically exploit their own people–we all know that.  But Goering implies that the people virtually ask for that exploitation by insisting on their right to remain ignorant and trusting.

Are those who initiate wars villainous bastards destined to burn in Hell?  I think so.  But are the people who are afraid to criticize, afraid to stand up, and absolutely determined to preserve the bliss of their ignorance any less guilty?  Most common people support war–and even go to war to kill and be killed–because they’re too cowardly or ignorant to say “No!”    Are the common people who won’t whisper “No!” any better than the psychopaths who shout “Yes!”?

For me, it goes back to Revelation 21:8–a “laundry list” of those destined for damnation:

“But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

That list contains some of the usual suspects when we think of those destined for damnation:  murders, liars, etc.

But note that the first class of people destined for damnation are the “cowardly” (other versions of the Bible refer to the “fearful” or “those who fear“).  I believe the “cowardly” are included in the list of the damned because each man’s fear is inversely proportional to his faith.

I.e., if you really believe in the God of the Bible and an eternal afterlife Heaven, why would you fear anything in this life?  The sooner you die, the sooner you may go to paradise–if your faith is strong. Of course, if your faith is weak, you may not be allowed to enter Heaven and may  therefore be damned.  Thus, those of us who succumb to the fears fostered by this world, implicitly admit our faith in the God of the Bible is weak and that we may therefore deserve damnation.  Our fears confess our lack of faith.

The people who are too fearful to expressly protest and resist the evils proposed by their own governments would seem to qualify as members of the first class of men (cowards) who are destined for damnation.

Thomas Jefferson observed:

“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”

I’d say that when the people fear their government, there is war; when the government fears the people, there is peace.

Insofar as we fear our own government, we are heading towards war.  Insofar as our government fears us, we are heading towards peace.

As an aside, consider:  Isn’t it true that the government’s fundamental fear of the American people is based on Americans’ capacity to shoot the treasonous whores in the cathouse on the Potomac?  Does it follow that if government can disarm the American people, Americans will become more fearful of their government?  If, by consenting to disarmament, we become more fearful, will our added fears (as per Revelation 21:8) render us more likely to be damned?

It’s a strange question, but I’m led to wonder should we keep our weapons in this life in order to minimize the fears that might cost us salvation in the next?

Does Revelation 21:8 provide a spiritual basis for the 2nd Amendment?

Whatcha think?

 
 

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45 responses to ““It Works the Same in Every Country”

  1. rl

    February 11, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    By reading many of your thoughts on different subjects I have come to believe these truths. Men must obey the laws of God above the laws of man. Natural law, the rights of humans to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness are primary above the laws instituted by our government, if in conflict with these laws. The bill of rights, are natural laws given to us to have a civil society, promote peace and goodwill. Over time as we remove God’s place in our collective conscience we lose our courage because we forget the rights and responsiblities to God first and his commandments and then how we treat our fellow human beings. Courage leaves us when we are in dis-obedience to Gods will. When we shrink from protecting the natural laws of his world we lose. Self centered humanism leads to Godless thinking and fear of losing what this world has to offer. Instead looking at the eternal.

     
    • Adask

      February 11, 2013 at 9:29 PM

      Amen.

       
    • SweaterCup40

      February 15, 2013 at 10:25 PM

      rl & Adask,
      You may disagree at least to some degree with the 2nd of the following John Adam quotes. I wish I could but I cannot. You will like the first one I think.

      “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

      But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.

      In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress.

      Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There was never a democracy that did not commit suicide.

       
      • Adask

        February 15, 2013 at 10:56 PM

        I don’t like the second quote about freedom and liberty lost. Too pessimistic for me, but I see the point. The author of that observation might be correct, but I see it like this: A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored without a real and bloody fight. Liberty, once lost, is not lost forever, but it will remain lost until the people fight or the oppressive government collapses (Soviet-style) under the weight of its own irrational principles. Liberty flows from God. As long as He’s around, Liberty may be difficult, but it’s still possible.

        I agree with or enjoy the other three quotes.

        Thanks.

         
  2. Anthony Clifton

    February 12, 2013 at 6:52 AM

    Isaiah 9: 5 – 7 –

    “For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.

    For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever

    do we have free will to choose which “government” or Kingdom “we” exist in…

    http://kingjbible.com/isaiah/9.htm

    by our daily activities

    can doublemindedness be cured…?

    Who is Israel.. *** the White People Nations ***

    or the “Jewish” *** Gog & Magog *** – “State” of Psychopathic TALMUDIC “JEWS” in Palestine…?

    http://www.israelect.com/reference/Willie-Martin/

    because their tongue and their doings are against the Almighty, to provoke the eyes of his glory.

    The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

    Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.

    Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him.

    As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

    The Almighty standeth up to plead, and standeth to judge the people.

    http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/rubyridge/idhoriuchi60501.pdf

    The Almighty will enter into judgment with the ancients of his people, and the princes thereof: for ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil of the poor is in your houses.

    What mean ye that ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor? saith the Almighty of hosts.

    Moreover the Almighty saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:

    http://kingjbible.com/isaiah/3-1.htm

    everyone has the opportunity to Know the Truth, and like the sign at the end of Randy Weavers’ driveway said…”Every Knee shall bow”…

    …and the state of the union is….

     
    • EDOMS THORN

      February 13, 2013 at 2:38 AM

      Anthony Clifton GREAT ‘stuff’, I have been reading you here and there and I LIKE!
      I love your name link to!

      Thanks,

      E.T.

       
    • E DOMS T HORN

      February 16, 2013 at 2:28 PM

      Hey Anthony,

      I hope that this will bring you back to this thread! READ my post below were ‘E.T,. says! THEY do hate me and my Web Site!

      Give me a shout!!!

      Thanks………..

      E.T.

       
      • E DOMS T HORN

        February 16, 2013 at 2:30 PM

        MAN I am not able to post a link to my web site. Someone else try it!

         
    • ESAUS BAIN

      February 18, 2013 at 8:46 PM

      Good STUFF ANTHONY. I am still having problems!

       
  3. huey campbell

    February 12, 2013 at 7:24 AM

    I have lived most of my life in fear and insecurity. My dad was an alcoholic my mother took responsibility she was only stability in my childhood.Actually believing that God has your best interest at heart helps. Reading Adask helps Thanks Alfred. I never thought about hell being full of cowards

     
    • SweaterCups40

      February 12, 2013 at 10:59 AM

      Hi huey,
      Sad to say, but I do not see any agape love for one another on this or ANY site I have visited for that matter. I have gone back to the beginning of this website & all I can detect is people wanting to show how intelligent they are.It’s like one trying to outdo the other for the most part. I have a lot in common with you huey, by what you have said.

       
      • Adask

        February 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM

        If I understand the term correctly, “agape” love means “unconditional” love. As I read the New Testament, it appears that the Christ has agape love for mankind and will allow anyone, even sinners, who have faith in the Christ, to enter into salvation.

        But as I read the Old Testament, God may love the world, but His love is not “agape”/unconditional. If you want God’s Old Testament blessings and perhaps salvation, you have to perform up to a standard set by God’s laws and commandments. Thus, God’s love appears to be “conditional” (not agape).

        That makes for an interesting dichotomy, doesn’t it? God’s love may be conditional; but the Christ’s love is unconditional? How do we square that seeming contradiction?

        As for trying to show each other how intelligent we are, maybe our object is not based on the vanity of trying to “show” our intelligence but rather on an impulse to “share” our intelligence–and freely share, at that.

        Of course, this blog could be changed focus on things silly, irrelevant and simply amusing. We wouldn’t have anything to “say,” of course, but the blog would probably be considerably more popular. But the world is already overrun by “silly” blogs. The competition to prove that I am even sillier than all the rest of the “silly” blogs might be too great for me. My blog might fail.

        Therefore, fool that I am, I think I’ll try to keep this blog’s focus on intellect more than silliness.

        Ohh, I do some silliness from time to time, but it’s not predominant. For the most part, this blog is intended to be a place where iron can sharpen iron (if “iron” cares to attend). It’s not a place where “iron” can “show off” how smart it is to other “iron”. It’s a place for “iron” to sharpen itself on or even against other “iron”. The premise behind that “sharpening” is that the “iron” is faulty and incomplete. It is dull in its capacity to discern and therefore needs “sharpening” (an improved ability to “discern”).

        The Bible seems to support the idea that we should “learn to discern”. Here are a few verses that implicitly advocate the need to learn to discern:

        2Sa_14:17 Then thine handmaid said, The word of my lord the king shall now be comfortable: for as an angel of God, so is my lord the king to discern good and bad: therefore the LORD thy God will be with thee.

        1Ki_3:9 Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?

        1Ki_3:11-12 And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment; Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given thee a wise and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.

        Eze_44:23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.

        Mal_3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

        Mat_16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

        Luk_12:56 Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

        Heb_5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

        This blog is intended to be a place where, by reason of using my intellect and by reason of using the intellects of my readers, we can “exercise” our senses so as to develop and “sharpen” our individual capacities to discern between good and evil, right and wrong.

         
      • Yartap

        February 12, 2013 at 1:31 PM

        SweaterCup40,

        I make dumb statements, and those smarter than me, correct me and I become smarter. And guess what? Some make dumb statements and I correct them, so they become smarter. Further, sometimes we all make dumb statements and we all discover, through discussion, our mistakes.

        But, I hope you have noticed like me, that I have not seen or read any one telling another to stop writing because they are “too stupid.” When this happens, then we have to start worrying about this blog.

        Everyone’s voice contributes!

         
      • huey campbell

        February 12, 2013 at 4:51 PM

        God has an infinite supply of Agape. He has Tons of re-bar for our backbone. I hold no animosity for anyone on this list. I am grateful for your reply. I am strengthened knowing Alfred has “been there”, leaned on God and found a sure and steady rest. Worthy is the Lamb!

         
    • Adask

      February 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

      If your faith in God is real and strong, what do you have to fear? Being murdered? Tortured? Robbed? In the context of eternity, all of these seemingly painful events are trivialities.

       
  4. Doug

    February 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    Two scriptures come to my mind anytime I begin to reconsider having left the Babylonian FEDERAL system approx. 25 years ago. The first is where Christ is discussing judgment and states many will claim to have healed the sick and cast out demons in His name, to which He responds “depart from me for I NEVER KNEW YOU” …. the other is that it would be better that a millstone be tied about the man’s neck and the man be thrown into the lake of fire than to harm one of these little ones.

    It’s man’s nature to rationalize his shortcomings and failures. People make excuses for their participation in the FEDERAL KILLING MACHINE, many of which also claim to be Christians. They are deluded by the modern religious system that lets them think they can murder (GOD’S) children all over the world and simply say I believe in Jesus on SUNday to wash away their wrongs.

    It does take some effort to leave the Babylonian system. More importantly it requires FAITH/TRUST in the Almighty’s protective arm, which He is faithful and true to deliver. Once the decision is prayerfully made it becomes easier over time to the point of normalcy wherein one forgets that their system was ever necessary.

    Another side benefit of taking the road less traveled (out of Babylon) is that often one has the opportunity to make others still in the system aware of their wrong headed ways – without being judgmental or rude. People demonstrate their lack of “faith” when they put their trust in man for things like retirements or old age benefits etc., instead of allowing the Universal King and Creator the opportunity to prove His Majesty.

    Lastly, some of the very best people I know, like Tom Gibson, Mark (Anthony Clifton), Al Adask, Dan Kelley, and many others would have escaped me except for their sharing a similar understanding of right and wrong, then exhibiting the willingness to operate their lives accordingly damn the consequences !

     
  5. tim

    February 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    A very good read. I believe everything this Nazi said about governments and people, and the rest of the article.

     
  6. Mike

    February 12, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    Interesting post. I think in the way the Lion protects his pride, natural law or God’s law would make way for us to protect our families and loved ones by any means available. If we care for them with love, its not a question. If we fight from hate the lake of sulfur awaits.

    On a side note, from some of the negative comments as of late, it seems you are now on the radar of the co-intelpro. Those govt. stooges that try to infiltrate and incite make me laugh.

    Peace and liberty~

     
  7. SweaterCups40

    February 12, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    Thanks,Al,
    You posted the following statement, & it is an excellent definition of my understanding of “agape love.” 1Ki_3:9 Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?
    Who has this much outgoing concern for anyone, today?

    Since there are degrees of everything, I also think agape love is also an outgoing concern for one another,e.g., if I want the best of everything for you & you feel the same way about me, how can we fail? We cannot. Also, this love for money should be translated to mean the LUST for money. Remember the scripture that says,God hated Esau? The word hated should be translated as, “loved less,” not,hated. My belief of agape love is at least an outgoing concern for one another. There is a better way to show someone that,he/she is wrong rather than coming right out & saying, you are wrong. Please don’t think that I am saying you are wrong by using that as an example. I need to add a further comment to huey. I did not complete my meaning to him.

     
  8. SweaterCups40

    February 12, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Alfred,you say in pertinent part, >”it appears that the Christ has agape love for mankind and will allow anyone, even sinners, who have faith in the Christ, to enter into salvation.” &,>”But as I read the Old Testament, God may love the world, but His love is not “agape”/unconditional. That makes for an interesting dichotomy, doesn’t it? God’s love may be conditional; but the Christ’s love is unconditional? How do we square that seeming contradiction? ” (The following is a scriptural way to resolve it).

    James 2: 14-19 > What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15> If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 >and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? 17 > So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

    18 >But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19.>You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!

    Notice > Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
    Also, Abraham had faith, but he also had works to show his faith. Sin is defined in the scriptures as transgressing the law of “God.” So I fail to understand how transgressors,a.k.a. sinners will enter into salvation.Remember, “he who overcomes will inherit the Kingdom of God? I know that I have not overcome at this point in my life & I cannot say for sure that I will. BUT, I will keep trying.

     
  9. SweaterCups40

    February 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    Yartap,

    Thank you for your gentle correction. Huey’s statement caught my eye & my heart. My comment about intelligent commentators caught yours. I did fail to say that I have read some very accurate statements by some commentators but I do not see them commenting anymore.Also, when I say accurate, I mean this from my understanding of what is right. Truth seems to be infinite so I do know I only know some truth & FAR from knowing a lot of it. We are all deceived in some ways. This is where we could be of help to each other for you may very well not be deceived in something I am, & vice versa.

     
  10. SweaterCups40

    February 12, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    huey
    Re: > God has an infinite supply of Agape. YES !!! & may he shower you with it. Remember the song,Showers of Blessings? May he shower you with blessings too !!!.

     
  11. Yartap

    February 13, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    Al and SweaterCup40,

    Please read the following for a better understanding of a unconditional love from God, too.

    SweaterCup40, I’m glad you used James 2:19 to show that the “demons believe(d)” in God and Christ as it relates to “works” verses “faith.” The term, “believe,” in this verse means to know of His existence.

    To think that God does not have unconditional love is incorrect, I believe.

    Remember, the verse John 3:16:“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever [BELIEVETH] in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

    The term, Believeth, in John 3:16 as defined from Strong’s is #4100 (Greek) which means commit (to trust). In John 3:36 we read the phrase “believeth not.” This term, believeth, as found in John 3: 36 is defined in Strong’s as #544 (Greek) and means disobedience, obey not. So, the same word has different meaning.

    Now, please read the Parable of the Lost Son (Prodigal Son) Luke 15: 11-32. Pay close attention to verses 19 – 21.

    Next, read all of Ezekiel chapter 18. Please pay close attention to verses 21 -24.

    Does this make the understanding of unconditional love clearer? Christ has redeemed us to the Father. God sits in wait for our return or repentance.

     
    • Adask

      February 13, 2013 at 2:50 PM

      Did God love me when He created me? I believe the answer is Yes.

      Did God so love me that he intended from the moment of my creation that I might find salvation? I believe the answer is Yes.

      Did God love me when I was born? I believe the answer is Yes.

      But would God still love me if I committed murder? Would He still intend that I find salvation? I don’t know.

      Would God still love me if I committed mass murder? Probably not.

      Would God still love me if I blasphemed His name? The Bible says No.

      Is there a point in time when, based on my own wickedness, God’s original love for me might be withdrawn? I think the answer is Maybe.

      If, by my own wicked conduct, I cause God to lose His love for me, could I be damned? The answer must be Yes. It’s hard to imagine God placing any creation that He loved in Hell for all eternity. There may be other explanations that allow for God to keep loving even those He has condemned to Hell, but those explanations are unlikely to be very convincing.

      My point in all of this is that if the possibility of damnation is ultimately based on a loss of God’s love, then God’s love is conditional. We some evidence of this “conditionality” in God’s warning to David that if his sons always follow God’s law, one of his son’s or descendant will always be on the throne of Israel. David and his sons would always be kings on condition that they always followed God’s laws.

      If God’s love is not conditional, then Hitler, Idi Amin, and John Wayne Gacy are every bit as much loved by God today as you, me and the Christ. I won’t say that’s impossible, but the idea is certainly uncomfortable.

       
      • Yartap

        February 13, 2013 at 8:12 PM

        Al,

        Joshua was ordered by God to kill all of the Canaanite. Remember the numerous murders committed by King David. Mass murders forgiven? Does God have respect for those He wishes to have respect and no respect for those He wishes to not have respect? Are all souls His? Did God divorce the House of Israel? Was the House of Israel “lost” forever? Did Jesus redeem the House of Israel back to God?

        Yes – God sets conditions, but He waits for our return to Him and our repentance to His Law. Al, He will love who He wishes to love, even a mass murder, if he will return to God and God accepts him.

         
  12. EDOMS THORN

    February 13, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    Hello Brother ADASK.

    After reading this article and THEN your response to ‘SweaterCups40’ My reply to your post has become more than I had intended. But as you said;

    …”This blog is intended to be a place where, by reason of using my intellect and by reason of using the intellects of my readers, we can “exercise” our senses so as to develop and “sharpen” our individual capacities to discern between good and evil, right and wrong”…

    AND that provoked me to go into a little more detail in my response.

    Here is the foundation to my approach to understanding;

    Hosea 4:6 “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge : because thou hast rejected knowledge I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me”… WE are responsible for OUR knowledge or lack of Knowledge. KJV >

    II TIMOTHY 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
    DIVIDING: S.C. GREEK 3718 “orthotomeo” to make straight, cut, to DISSECT!

    II Cor. 10:12 “For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise,”
    In other words think for yourself!

    Revelation 21:8 came up in a blog I was involved in about Gun Control a few weeks ago, and one of the posters had used the word ‘cowardice’ as you did. I am sure that you were not quoting from the KJV, and this is not an attack on what you said, I wanted to share with you some of what came from that conversation.

    I argued that ‘cowardice’ should not be used there because it does not define the word for fearful that is used in the original Greek and therefore cowardice was not a sin deserving eternal damnation.
    Cowardice as a word is not found in the KJV, but in the dictionary it is defined as an; ‘Ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain’. and ignoble is; ‘Not honorable in character or purpose’.

    I said that while I may be willing to go toe to toe with someone in a fist fight, I could be ‘fearful in two ways. One is the fear of getting hurt or the fear of hurting my opponent beyond what is necessary. So ‘fearfulness’ in that manner is not COWARDICE, but is a ‘prudent’ fear. And later I thought about it, and came to the conclusion that in a sense we were both correct, but the word cowardly does NOT belong there!

    The following is the results of my research on ‘fearful’
    I deal with the differences in the footnotes of my featured article at edomsthorn.wordpress.com between my hard copy of the Strong’s Concordance pre-1980, and the on-line version http://www.biblestudytools.com/concordances/strongs-exhaustive-concorda
    And there are some important differences.

    This is for the word for ‘fearful’, in Revelation 21:8
    S.C. G1169 Blueletter

    ‘deilos’ timid, fearful
    ( adds faithless pre-1980 S.C.) a root word from ‘deos’ (dread)

    AND this is for ‘fearful’ in Hebrews 10:26-27
    S.C. BlueLetter ‘phoberos’ G5398

    1) inspiring fear, terrible, formidable
    2) affected with fear, timid

    S.C.Pre-1980 G5398
    frightful: be a formidable; fearful, terrible

    Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    Hebrews 10:27 and Revelation 21:8 shows two applications of the word fearful, with an identical end result!
    SO, I came to the conclusion, because ‘unbeliever’ is the next word used there in Revelation 21:8, and denotes ‘faith’ the proper word there should be ‘TIMID’ as in Lukewarm Revelation 3:16
    Just thought you might find that interesting. I do not write as well as you, I do hope you understood my point.

    On that thread from above, that conversation had began with a poster proclaiming that Jesus had told the Apostles to arm themselves (LUKE 22) “against the Roman Tyranny”! And that leads me to your question, …”Does Revelation 21:8 provide a spiritual basis for the 2nd Amendment?”… I think you will agree, the answer is no. We do however, know that we are to resist EVIL and defend ourselves, and we are to EXPOSE evil! With out going into the study of Matthew 26:52 most always quoted out of context! (Live by the sword, etc.) As you pointed out, to die for our faith is LIFE, If we should defend ourselves, for our FAITH, and save our ‘life’ we will surely lose it! It is so refreshing to read your writings,

    Patriots are many times taking LUKE 22:36 out of context as a call to bear arms.
    That passage had NOTHING to do with the Romans! Read in context and you will see that they were to protect against “false flag” attack

    LUKE 22:36-37 “Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37.>> For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end”…

    AS it was with King HEROD, the EDOMITE who was Satanically led to murder the infant Jesus, Jesus knew that the forces of Satan would try to prevent the Prophesy’s regarding Messiah from being fulfilled!

    Would Jesus want us to resist tyranny? Yes! But Luke 22:36 was not about TYRANNY!!

    I thank you for the opportunity to “exercise” yours and my senses.

    I.H.S.

    ET.

     
    • EDOMS THORN

      February 13, 2013 at 6:10 PM

      It is also interesting to note in Hebrews 10:26-27 there are to use’s of the word ‘SIN’ there, and I wonder if someone can tell us what ‘SIN’ it is that is called WILLFUL? It is an actionable sin!
      And is found in Revelation 21:8

      Just for fun!

      E.T.

       
  13. SweaterCups40

    February 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    EDOMS THORN,
    Re: > and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
    Hello EDOMS. Correct me if I am wrong, but I find it hard to grasp that the above statement means to buy a sword for “saber rattling purposes only.” Why, in your understanding, is this statement made,e.g., and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one? Thank you for your reply.

     
    • EDOMS THORN

      February 13, 2013 at 5:06 PM

      SweaterCups40

      I respectfully direct your attention to verse 37.>> For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end”…

      AS it was with King HEROD, the EDOMITE who was Satanically led to murder the infant Jesus, Jesus knew that the forces of Satan would try to prevent the Prophesy’s regarding Messiah from being fulfilled!

      It was not for a show of force, but to prevent Satan from annulling that prophesy, …” And he was reckoned among the transgressors”…. Do you see? If the CHRIST was murdered in any other way, that would have have given the ‘enemies’ of Christ an argument that Jesus was not the Messiah!

      I hope that answers you question.

      I.H.S.

      E.T.

       
      • SweaterCups40

        February 16, 2013 at 7:53 AM

        EDOMS THORN
        @ >February 13, 2013 at 5:06 PM
        Thanks. You do rightly discern. Please define for me, if you will, the,”unpardonable sin.” I am troubled that I have committed it. Then again, the thought occurs this is demonic influence WANTING me to think this way.

         
      • E.T.

        February 16, 2013 at 12:14 PM

        SweaterCups40

        The Pharisees (who were EDOMITES) had, through their un- belief, accused Jesus of performing miracles by the power of Satan. It was not the outrageous accusation that was unforgivable, it was unbelief. SEE Revelations 21:8.

        In Matthew 12:31-32 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come”

        The following from Charles Stanly is short and to the point! While I disagree with his use of the words ‘Gentile’ and JEW™ I have found him to be a great teacher on Salvation and those many questions that Christians my have. I found this video looking for a link that would help you to further understand! Back in the early 80’s I would listen to him and he would be speaking on question that I was asking in my studies, and I learned that he was most reliable! But as in all thing “Trust, but verify”. R.R.

        IT seems I have been banned here. WHY??

        E.T.

         
      • Adask

        February 16, 2013 at 12:26 PM

        I don’t know why you think you’ve been banned. I haven’t banned you.

         
      • E.T.

        February 16, 2013 at 1:03 PM

        BROTHER ADASK I AM BANNED from posting at ALL Wor d P RESS sites! I just figured it out. SORRY for questioning you. WHAT I have been saying is the honest truth! AND I am banned at infowars 18 time and Wor d P ress also has blocked me at IW. I have a lot of proof to back that claim up! What I am dealing with is the truth that could quite possible bring major changes to how the world deal with Israel, and THEY hate IT and ME!

        Email me please and if you would give a HARD look at what O say! IT HAS NOT and can not be refuted!

        I am using a PROXY now!

        WHAT SAY YOU!

         
      • Adask

        February 16, 2013 at 1:17 PM

        I say I work 60 hours a week and I need to work about 100 hours a week to keep up. I’m not disinterested in your problem with WordPress or IW, but I’m already swamped. If you can post with a proxy, post with a proxy.

         
  14. SweaterCups40

    February 13, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    Hello again Yartap,
    Re: > I’m glad you used James 2:19 to show that the “demons believe(d)” in God and Christ as it relates to “works” verses “faith.” The term, “believe,” in this verse means to know of His existence.

    Yes, I only included that statement about the demons “believing” to show that simply saying “we believe” doesn’t quite cut the mustard. I should have added this statement,> “He that says he “believes” in me & does not keep my commandments is a liar & the truth is not in him.

     
    • Yartap

      February 13, 2013 at 8:25 PM

      SweaterCups40,

      Yes, very good, Thanks.

       
      • SweaterCups40

        February 15, 2013 at 5:12 AM

        Yartap, You are most welcome.I know/”believe” you were/are aware of that scripture. Michael said in another thread that we do not have free will or at least this is my understanding of what he said. Yartap, what is your understanding of free will? Remember, “choose you this day whom you will serve? If I do not have free will, how can I choose?

         
      • Yartap

        February 15, 2013 at 12:28 PM

        SweaterCup40,

        I agree with you and your understanding of “free will.”

        Many include all vistas in their discussion of free will. For example, I did not have nor was granted free will in being placed upon this earth; nor my parents ; nor my location, etc.

        But, for me free will is only subjected to choice in my beliefs and faiths (faith: “things not seen, but believed,” please read Hebrews chapter 11.)

        Without free will – how would God know if I serve Him or follow Him or love Him?

         
  15. Believer

    February 14, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    No. I would say thats a stretch. Youre right that the fear talked about is fear of ones soul salvation for if they fear for their salvation, theyre not at peace with God, theyre not Believing correctly and therefore are not counted as Gods own. its not how “strong” oneis at faith, rather its whether one owns LIVING faith, regardless of how weak that true Believers faith may be.

     
    • SweaterCups40

      February 15, 2013 at 5:15 AM

      Believer, Define “faith” for me, e.g., what is faith? THANKS !!!

       
      • Yartap

        February 15, 2013 at 12:31 PM

        Faith: “things not seen, but believed,” please read Hebrews chapter 11.

         
  16. SweaterCups40

    February 15, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    Yartap, I am aware of the scripture. I wanted Believer to tell me what his/her definition of faith was. My hope was that Believer would give the same example you,Yartap, gave to define faith.I thank you for your “free will” explanation. We understand this the same way. Faith too !!.

     
    • Yartap

      February 15, 2013 at 2:43 PM

      SweaterCups40,

      See how dumb I can be! Ha! Ha!

       
  17. SweaterCups40

    February 15, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    Yartap,
    Birds of a feather. You are not dumb as far as I can tell. It is difficult for me to clearly explain my understanding of anything. Let’s change the subject temporarily. I don’t know if the President has given his “State of the Union” message,yet, but in reading in the past on this blog about “Venue” remember the “War between the States?” We had the “Union” army a.k.a. “Federal” army. We know who “conquered”. A State of the “Union” today & for over 150 years is, TX,VA,OR,WA. & under “Federal” Regional “Venue” with so many “identifiers” e.g. Zip Code(s). Make sense?

     

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