The Tyranny-Liberty Cycle of Government

27 Feb

Liberty-Tyranny Cycle of Government

Liberty-Tyranny Cycle of Government

Cycles like this one have been recognized for centuries.  Such “cycles” aren’t necessarily true, but they can all be useful in terms or recognizing predominant social attitudes or inclinations at a particular time.

Some people believe this particular cycle normally takes about 200 years to complete. If so, the USA may have exceeded expectations in that this nation is already 237 years old without having yet reached the second “Revolution” and second episode of “Liberty”

But where are we on this “cycle”?  It’s easy to argue that we’re probably at about 7 o’clock–somewhere near the end of “Dependence” and the onset of “Tyranny”.  I’m inclined to agree with that argument.

But an argument could be made that the current “Tyranny” actually began back about A.D. 1933–or even A.D. 1971–and has since persisted.  If so, we are not at the point where “Tyranny” begins.  Instead, we may closer to the point where “Tyranny” ends and “Revolution” begins.

Where do you think we are?  Closer to the beginning of “Tyranny”?  Or closer to the beginning of “Revolution”?


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26 responses to “The Tyranny-Liberty Cycle of Government

  1. Taylor Johnson

    February 27, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    This came from before its news yesterday. Worth a quick read at least. Look for the details about the ‘redemption’ movement.
    UNIT TITLE: Sovereign Citizens
    UNIT NUMBER: 1.12.0
    Maine Criminal Justice Academy
    15 Oak Grove Road
    Vassalboro, ME 04989
    Prepared by: Jim Birt – MCJA Staff Date: 4-5-2012
    Some original material provided by Ryan Dearborn – Mountain View Youth Development Center
    Some original material provided by Robert Byrnes – Kittery Police Department
    Reviewed by Azure Turcotte, Intelligence Analyst – Maine Information & Analysis Center
    Reviewed by Stephanie Walker, Intelligence Analyst – FBI Counterterrorism Division
    Reviewed by Police Chief Robert Paudert (Ret) – West Memphis Arkansas Police Department
    Performance Objectives
    Remind the group that Sovereign Citizens is one of the MCJA mandatory
    training topics for calendar year 2012. The material covered will be
    addressed towards the patrol officer who will probably be the first individual
    of authority to make contact with a member of the Sovereign Citizen
    movement. The basic belief of the Sovereign Citizen is that our government
    is ‘illegal’ and they will not respect or adhere to any laws or authority
    figures, specifically law enforcement officers, judges, taxing agencies, and
    politically elected officials. The Sovereign Citizens see these individuals as
    mere agents of a fraudulent and oppressive government.
    After this unit of instruction the student will be able to accomplish the following
    objectives as outlined in this lesson:
    1.12.1 Define a Sovereign Citizen
    1.12.2 List 3 of the 5 other names that refer to Sovereigns
    1.12.3 State the 2 reasons why there was a resurgence of the group in 2008
    1.12.4 Identify what Sovereigns believe is the highest form of government
    1.12.5 Describe the organizational structure o rganizational structure of the Sovereign Citizens
    1.12.6 List 6 basic illegal activities Sovereigns are involved with
    1.12.7 List 2 of the 3 vehicle marking a Sovereign may display
    1.12.8 What term would a Sovereign use instead of road or street?
    1.12.9 What type of firearms do Sovereigns prefer?
    1.12.10 What do you do prior to stopping a suspected Sovereign vehicle?
    1.12.11 What might a Sovereign claim if you request a Social Security number?
    1.12.12 At a traffic stop its not uncommon for a Sovereign to claim what?
    1.12.13 List the 3 items most officers request at a traffic stop
    1.12.14 What should be obtained when stopping a Sovereign vehicle?
    1.12.15 What is the significance of information not shared?
    1.12.16 List 3 of the 4 popular forms used by Sovereigns
    1.12.17 How many groups of Sovereigns have formed fictitious police agencies
    1.12.18 If you had a bad encounter with a Sovereign, where might you check?
    1.12.19 List 2 of the 3 offices you contact after a Sovereign encounter.
    Administrative Information
    Estimated Time Range:
    Presentation Methods / Media
    Methods Media
    Material & Equipment
    Student outside assignments:
    Androscoggin County Sheriff’s Department
    Lesson Plan Outline
    2 Hours
    Interactive discussion
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    Look for show of hands.
    Domestic Terrorism –
    groups or individuals
    operating entirely inside the
    US, attempting to influence
    the government or
    population to effect political
    or social change by
    engaging in criminal
    I. Introduction
    A. Introduction
    B. Credentials
    C. Goals and Objectives
    D. Attention Grabber
    Ask class/audience:
    How many of you really feel that the government is
    working in your best interest?
    Do you really feel that your elected officials do what
    is best for you and the country?
    When you vote, do you really think you made a
    When asked the above questions, many state ‘no’. Many of us
    will not act out against the government because we feel this way
    however the Sovereign Citizens are inclined to act out, some
    violently, because they feel this way. They reject the notion of US
    Citizenship and the responsibilities associated with being a US
    II. Sovereign Citizen Defined
    A person whose belief and actions are anti-government and
    rejects the notion of U.S. citizenship. They claim to follow
    only God’s laws and the amendments found in the original
    Bill of Rights. Members have said that by force or by peace, a
    government overhaul will happen. The FBI considers the
    sovereign movement one the nation’s top domestic terrorist
    Bill of Rights
    The collective name for the first ten amendments to the
    United States Constitution.
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    These limit the power of the U.S. Federal government in the
    areas of:
    Freedom of religion
    Freedom of speech, or of the press
    Right of people to assemble peaceably
    The right to keep and bare arms
    The right of the people against unreasonable searches, seizures
    The right against self-incrimination.
    Also Known As
    Sovereign Citizens are also known as:
    1. “Common Law Citizens”
    2. “Freemen” – representing freedom of government control.
    3. “Constitutionalists”
    4. “Posse Comitatus”
    5. “Preamble Citizens”
    III. History of the Sovereign Citizen Movement
    1970s and-1980’s Posse Comitatus – an anti-government,
    extremist group blended with KKK and other radical, antigovernment
    This group existed for well over a decade
    1983 – After a Posse adherent killed two US Marshals, the
    movement largely faded. The groundwork however for
    following anti-government groups was laid.
    1990s – (early/mid) Membership in anti-government militias,
    white supremacist and other radical groups grew.
    1990s – (late) Groups developed “Redemption Theory”
    A claim that federal government used citizens as collateral
    against foreign debt. .
    2008- A resurgence of the movement.
    Fueled by poor economy
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    Efficiency of Internet to spread radical ideas
    Anytime the economy is down, you see a resurgence of
    people blaming the government for what goes wrong.
    IV. Sovereign Citizen Beliefs
    1. An individual is a government unto himself
    2. No government can control an individual without that
    person’s direct permission.
    3. A person has a right to reside in country, yet not be under
    control of the government.
    4. Income tax is illegal
    5. The county is the highest form of government
    6. The Sheriff is the only law enforcement recognized since
    he is elected by the people.
    When a belief system motivates its members to commit
    violent acts, it becomes a law enforcement problem. The
    majority of Sovereign Citizens (estimated at 97%) are not
    dangerous however the other 3 % can be VERY violent. They
    see violence as the only way to bring about the change they
    believe in. They disconnect from government, they are
    frustrated with the government not looking out for their best
    interest and are frustrated with figures of authority. They live
    and believe this day after day and begin to think – if a law
    enforcement officer stops me today- today may be the day I’ll
    kill him.
    Do NOT underestimate these individuals. They will kill or
    be killed for what they believe!
    V. Threats to Law Enforcement
    Physical threats
    Since 1990, 51 law enforcement officers have been
    killed in 38 incidents in which at least one of the suspects was a
    right-wing criminal extremist. 95% of 38 officer incidents since 1990
    involved local or state law enforcement
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    Contact may be associated with normal law enforcement operations:
    1. Traffic stops
    2. Protection orders
    3. Warrant service
    4. Domestic disturbances
    VI. Organizational Structure of the Sovereign Citizen Movement
    Sovereign Citizens are diffused throughout the country.
    They are a loosely organized collection of groups/individuals
    Estimated membership is between 100,000 and 300,000.
    No one person is known to be the leader of the movement
    VII. Encountering Sovereigns
    Law Enforcement is encountering Sovereigns in every part of
    the country – squatting in abandoned houses, driving with
    strangely worded driver’s licenses and fake registrations,
    resisting arrest, creating their own currency, duping clients with
    empty promises of discharging tax debts or fighting
    Other Illegal activities use by Sovereign Citizens include:
    1. Hold illegal courts that issue warrants for judges and police
    2. Clogging up the courts with frivolous lawsuits
    3. File bogus liens against public official to harass them
    4. Commit murder and physical assault
    5. Threaten judges, government personnel, and law
    enforcement officials
    6. Impersonate police officers and diplomats
    7. Print, sell, and use fake currency, passports, license plates
    and driver’s licenses
    8. Engineer various white-collar scams, including mortgage
    9. Filing bogus tax returns claiming they are owed money.
    10. Conduct seminars across the country and selling DVDs to
    individuals providing instruction on how to accomplish the
    Maine Criminal Justice Academy
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    above activities.
    Vacant/Abandoned Property
    In California a group of sovereign citizens simply moved into
    unoccupied properties and posted notices that declared the
    seized houses to be a sovereign republic, threatening violence
    against anyone who entered.
    Posted signs read:
    “Private Property of sovereign Woman of the republic and
    “Do Not Disturb Individuals who have possession of the
    “All federal and state employees attempting to visit will be
    treated as trespassers and face the wrath of the occupants and
    their right to ‘Self Preservation – Right to repel Force by Force
    – Self Defense – Justifiable Homicide.”
    VIII. Encountering Sovereigns Citizens at Traffic Stops
    Some Sovereign Citizens ‘advertise’ the fact that they belong to
    this group.
    Bogus vehicle registration plates on a vehicle may have the
    1. ‘Republic of Texas’
    2. ‘Kingdom of Heaven’
    3. ‘Alabama republic’
    4. ‘Motorized Conveyance Registration
    5. ‘Moorish Nation’/ ‘Washitaw’
    6. Sovereign, Christian Citizen’
    7. ‘Sui Juris’ (Latin for ‘of one’s own law’)
    8. ‘Ambassador’ or ‘Diplomat’
    9. US DOT
    Think of this next time
    you are checking a
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    All of the above registration are well made and may not be
    detected as bogus with a quick glance. Closer examination will
    indicate to an officer that they are not legitimate. These
    registration plates are sold by the Sovereigns as a way to raise
    Additional Vehicle Markings
    Decals (or homemade signs) are sometimes found on member’s
    2. An upside-down American flag in the center of the front
    3. “168 to 1” (Oklahoma bombing victims to suspect)
    IX. Sovereign Citizen Statements at Traffic Stops/other Contacts
    A Sovereign citizen may make odd statements during
    contact such as:
    1. “I am a free man traveling upon the land”
    2. May cite various UCC codes
    3. May question your authority as an officer
    4. Use conveyance, machinery, road machine, personal
    use recreational vehicle (instead of car, vehicle,
    motor vehicle)
    5. Guests, friends, family (instead of passengers)
    6. Traveling, journeying, moving (instead of driving,
    operating, transporting)
    7. Public right of way (instead of road or street)
    8. Abode, living, domicile (instead of residence)
    9. Inhabitant, Non-Resident, Non-Domestic (instead of
    10. Non-Commercial (instead of public).
    Sovereigns are known to like guns. Especially those that can
    easily be converted to full-automatic. The rule of thumb is that
    there at least two in every vehicle. If a sovereign is encountered
    outside of the vehicle, the rule of thumb is that each is carrying
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    at a minimum one handgun and one edge weapon.
    Sovereign citizens are often confused with extremists from the
    militia movement. But while some sovereign citizens
    sometimes use or buy weapons, guns are secondary to their
    anti-government, anti-tax beliefs. On the other hand, guns and
    paramilitary training are paramount to militia groups.
    If you suspect that the vehicle you are about to stop may be
    operated by a sovereign citizen- CALL FOR BACKUP!
    Do not stop the suspect vehicle until backup is on scene. The
    backup officer should be positioned at a tactically correct
    position with long gun at the ready.
    X. Tactics that may indicate affiliation as a Sovereign Citizen at a
    Traffic Stop:
    1. May roll down their window just enough to be heard
    2. May refuse to cooperate and exercise right to remain silent
    3. When asked for driver’s license may ask is that a request or
    a demand.
    4. May provide strange responses to law enforcement questions
    that do not make sense. Example, when asked to present a
    license, they may reply, “no, not personally.”
    5. May claim not to have a driver’s license, and may present
    a homemade form of ID.
    6. May claim that it is unconstitutional to require individuals to
    have a driver’s license and obey traffic laws.
    7. If an official state driver’s license is presented, they may
    claim that the person in the picture is not them. They may
    further claim that the person in the picture is not human, but
    a non-breathing extraterrestrial.
    8. If asked to provide a Social Security number for
    identification, they may claim that the request is an invasion
    of their privacy and/or a violation of their rights.
    9. When signing law enforcement documents, they may write
    “under duress” beneath their signatures or cite various
    Even a ‘minor’ traffic stop
    challenges the ideology of
    the Sovereigns and can
    escalate to a violent
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    Uniform Commercial Codes
    XI. Sovereign Tactics at Traffic Stops.
    1. Distract the officer with paperwork
    2. Claim the officer has no authority or is out of jurisdiction
    3. Will claim that the vehicle belongs to a church (RED FLAG)
    4. Identify self as an official of the state
    5. Being uncooperative
    6. Concealing loaded weapons
    7. Asserting that the law does not require them to have
    necessary documentation of license, title and
    8. Film (video or audio record) interaction (may later be posted
    to the Internet); this may be covertly or overtly done during the
    9. Demand official produce an oath of office
    10. Rapidly exit vehicle and approach officer in an agitated
    XII. Law Enforcement Request at every Traffic Stop
    As a matter of practice, every law enforcement officer, at every
    traffic stop, request three items of each operator:
    1. Operator’s license (issued by a state governmental entity).
    2. The vehicle registration (issued by a state government)
    3. A current and active insurance card for that vehicle
    4. You, the officer control the stop
    XIII. Law Enforcement Focus
    1. Officer safety. Maintain focus on situational safety
    2. Maintain professional bearing
    3. Apply enforcement as appropriate
    4. Full name, address and dates of birth of all vehicle occupants
    5. Record sovereign, national affiliation, if provided
    6. Where coming from and where going
    7. Any details regarding visible contents of vehicle.
    8. Pay close attention to detail. Things are not always as they
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    9. Be thorough. The smallest bit of information can make a
    10. Know and follow your department policies and procedures
    11. Conduct searches & seizures falling within your legal
    12. Advise your supervisor of the contact – request to scene if
    at all possible
    13. Avoid legal arguments
    14. Prepare detailed notes.
    15. Secure your dash-cam recordings
    16. Share information. Information not shared is intelligence
    diminished. (See also section XVII Reporting).
    XIV. Paper Terrorism
    The following are examples of tactics used by groups to clog
    the courts and harass their intended victims:
    1. Liens
    While filing a false document is illegal, once it’s
    discovered it can’t simply be torn up and discarded. Every lien,
    valid or not, becomes part of a property’s permanent record. If
    the filer refuses to withdraw it voluntary, only a subsequent
    legal document can validate it. This is at a great financial
    expense. The filing itself usually accomplishes the schemer’s
    goal of making a public official’s life miserable to setting up an
    attempt to extort money in exchange for removing the lien.
    Once a lien is recorded property cannot be sold even though the
    lien is bogus.
    2. IRS Form 8300
    This form is used to report payments over $10,000.00 in
    a trade or business transaction. Fraudulent submission of the
    form by a sovereign citizen can result in an artificial increase in
    the taxable income of the target being reported to the IRS
    Forms of retaliation
    directed at judges, jurors
    and law enforcement
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    3. Lawsuits
    Sovereign citizens may file lawsuits against law
    enforcement or members of the court in their individual
    capacity seeking civil remedies for alleged violations of their
    constitutional rights.
    4. Currency Transaction Reports (CTR)
    Used legitimately by financial institutions in an effort to
    combat money laundering, sovereigns may improperly use
    FinCEN form 104 to report a target to trigger an investigation.
    XV. Impersonating Law Enforcement Officers
    Two Sovereign Citizen groups, the Civil Rights Task
    Force and the Constitution Rangers have created fictitious law
    enforcement agencies complete with fake identification cards,
    badges, and even raid jackets.
    The ability to custom order badges and uniforms
    through mail-order catalogs and on-line make this process very
    Other names found on badges/fake ID cards:
    1. “Investigator – Civil Rights Task Force”
    2. “Agent – Civil Rights Task Police”
    3. “Special United States Marshals”
    4. “Sovereign Citizen World Guard”
    5. “Sovereign Cop Watch.”
    Both the badges and identification cards appear very
    authentic looking and may intimidate someone not familiar with
    these groups.
    Members of the Civil Rights Task Force have advocated
    what they term “reverse intimidation,” interrogating the spouses
    of law enforcement officers who have had dealings with the
    group’s members.
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    XVI. Protecting Yourself and Your Family
    As law enforcement conducts surveillance of extremists groups,
    so too do members of these anti-government groups conduct countersurveillance.
    The following may minimize your exposure to this
    1. If you wear a uniform to/from work, cover with a jacket/shirt
    2. Be aware of your surroundings at ALL times
    3. Be mindful that you may be photographed/videotaped
    entering/exiting the station, entering/exiting your cruiser, and
    while on duty
    4. Remind family members NEVER to accept a badge as
    identification of law enforcement. If something doesn’t seem
    right, its probably not!
    5. Check frequently with County Clerk to determine if a false
    lien may have been filed against your property especially if
    you have had a bad encounter with a Sovereign
    6. Act professionally and ethically at all times
    7 Minimize self-exposure on social media sites
    8. Check your free credit reports annually for accuracy.
    XVII. Reporting
    Any Maine law enforcement officer having contact with a
    Sovereign Citizen is requested to pass that information onto
    The following:
    1. FBI Regional Office (Boston) 617-742-5533
    2. Maine Information and Analysis Center 207-624-7280
    3. Regional Organized Crime Information Center
    Nashville, TN 1-800-238-7985
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    XVIII. Conclusion
    Although the Sovereign Citizen movement does not
    always rise to violence, its members’ illegal activities and past
    violence – including fatal incidents against law enforcement
    make it a group that should be approached with knowledge and
    caution. It is important that law enforcement be aware of
    sovereign citizens’ tactics, scams and other illegal activity and
    understand its potential severity, and be prepared for and
    against violent behavior or backlash through intimidation and
    With high unemployment, foreclosures of homes, the
    high cost if fuel and the growing consensus that the government
    is doing nothing to help, membership in the sovereign citizen
    movement is growing. The preparedness of law enforcement
    should be not IF I encounter a sovereign citizen but WHEN I
    encounter a sovereign citizen will I be prepared?
    Criterion Test Questions
    1. Define a Sovereign Citizen
    A person whose beliefs and actions are anti-government
    2. List 3 of the 5 other names Sovereigns are also known as
    Common Law Citizens
    Posse Comitatus
    Preamble Citizens
    3. List the two reasons why there was a resurgence of the anti-government movement in 2008
    Rise of poor economy
    The Internet
    4. A Sovereign believes that the county is the highest form of government
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    5. Describe the Organizational structure of the Sovereign Citizen Movement
    They are individuals and groups diffused throughout the country.
    They number between 100,000 and 300,000
    There is no one leader of the movement.
    6. List 6 basic illegal activities that Sovereign Citizens are involved in
    1. Squatting in abandoned houses 4. Resist arrest
    2. Displaying fake registrations 5. Print their own money
    3. Displaying bogus licenses 6. Filing fraudulent tax returns
    7. List 2 of the 3 markings which may indicate a Sovereign’s vehicle
    “Do Not Stop – Do Not Detain” bumper sticker
    Upside down American flag on center of windshield
    “168 to 1” Reference to Oklahoma City bombing. 168 victims, 1 suspect
    8. What term would a Sovereign use instead of road or street?
    Public right of way
    9. What type of firearms do Sovereign’s prefer?
    Those that can be converted to full automatic
    10. If you suspect you about to stop a Sovereign’s vehicle, what do you do?
    Request a backup unit prior to initiating the stop
    11. If you request a Social Security number from a Sovereign Citizen what will the likely claim be?
    That is an invasion of their privacy
    12. At a traffic stop it is not uncommon for a Sovereign to claim what about the vehicle?
    That it belongs to a (fraudulent) church
    13. What are the 3 items requested by an officer of an operator of a vehicle?
    Vehicle registration
    Operators license
    Current/valid insurance card for the vehicle
    14. If you stop a vehicle operated by a Sovereign what should you obtain from passengers?
    Full names
    Current addresses
    Dates of birth
    15. What is the significance of information not shared?
    It is intelligence diminished
    16. List 3 of the 4 forms of Paper Terrorism that Sovereigns use to harass their victims
    Liens IRS Form 8300
    Lawsuits Currency Transaction Reports
    17. How many groups of Sovereigns have formed fictitious law enforcement agencies?
    Two, the Civil Rights Task Force and the Constitution Rangers
    18. An office you will want to check with especially if you had a bad encounter with a Sovereign
    County Clerk – to determine if liens have been filed against personal property
    19. List 2 of the 3 agencies you report your Sovereign Citizen contact to
    Maine Information and Analysis Center
    FBI Regional Office
    Regional Organized Crime Information Center
    Bureau of Justice Assistance. Warning Signs of Terrorist Events. Bureau of Justice
    Assistance, 2010. Print.
    Byrnes, R. Sovereign Citizens. 2011. Print.
    Criminal Aspects of the Sovereign Citizen Movement in the United States. Rep. 2012.
    FBI. Sovereign Citizens: An Introduction for Law Enforcement. Rep. 2010. Print.
    Federal Bureau of Investigation. Fraudulent Documentation Used by Anti-Government
    Extremists. Federal Bureau of Investigation, 2009. Print.
    NESPIN. Sovereign Citizen Movement. Tech. NESPIN, 2011. Print.
    Regional Organized Crime Information Center. Moorish Nation – Sovereign Citizen
    Movement. Publication. ROCIC, 2009. Print.
    Southern Poverty Law Center. Return of the Sovereigns. Rep. No. 133. 2009, Print.
    Special Research Report – Sovereign Citizen Movement. Rep. Regional Organized Crime
    Information Center, 2010. Print.

    • Sparky

      March 1, 2013 at 8:47 PM

      Some so called sovereign citizens are whackos, & say things like,”I don’t have a driver’s license but my person does.” Other sovereign citizens are simply standing firm. STILL, how many Kahl’s,Kanes
      Ruby Ridges,AND WACOS do the sovereigns NEED to see who’s who & what’s what? HOW MANY? I do my best to stand firm TOO, BUT just like thousands of others we are ALL for the most part standing firm ALONE. Like shooting ducks.Where is OUR million man march? I admit I don’t have the sense to know how to get that going, then again, who does. Some Black people do apparently.

    • Sparky

      March 2, 2013 at 7:27 PM

      Hi,Taylor Johnson,
      Thanks for your post !!! After getting STUNG BAD by gov-co, & thinking everything was hunky-dory before getting STUNG BAD, the first two people “I came across” who I felt I had something in common with were James Wickstrom, & George Gordon. This goes back a long long time.Are you aware of either one? Anyway,I also discovered painfully that the deception was so clever they too were both deceived to a degree or two. AND, as I write this, I STILL must be deceived myself about some things,issues,etc. I think we all are.We can only stand firm as best as we can with the understanding we have.What else can we do. Thanks again for the post. Best to you & yours.

  2. Gary Russell

    February 27, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    uhhhhhh, seems like the full-swing of the tyranny part there, as anyone actually attempting to exercise their constitutional rights now ha s a label and is obviously dangerous…. This training doc is enough to justify a revolution all by utself.

    • Jerry Sparks

      March 26, 2013 at 10:14 PM

      @ >This training doc is enough to justify a revolution all by utself.
      I AGREE !!!!!

  3. Gary Russell

    February 27, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    Just went in to start making my dinner and was thinking about this training crap, and you know what? This bad government stuff has gotten seriously out of hand. Hitler would be humbled, and impressed, i am sure, by the “progress” made in the United States.

    • Gary Lee

      February 28, 2013 at 1:55 PM

      Big D, after reading some of the training stuff they teach about “constitutionalists” and “sovereign Citizens”, when they ask me if I am one of those I assume they are asking if i am one of the ones they have been trained about, not my idea of a “constitutionalists” or sovereign, which would be in line with the Supreme Court’s definitions of state Citizens of one of the several states of the Union sovereign. My answer is always “I don’t think so. I am just a normal California Citizen who has taken the time to read the laws, so I understand to whom they apply. I also tell them they should maybe read the laws also, as apparently they do not understand, or haven’t been told who the laws actually apply to. You can tell by the Maine traing crap that they are being programmed to Soviet or Nazi Germany mindset and they have completely lost their sense of perspective. The officers are probably just being good sheep like most of the rest of the population of the US. Even the “good sheep” (I was just following orders) were executed after WWII, though… maybe some during, at the rate we are going…..

    • Sparky

      March 1, 2013 at 10:36 PM

      @ >This bad government stuff has gotten seriously out of hand.
      Aw shucks Gary, since when? When did you arrive at that conclusion?

  4. Anon4fun

    February 27, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    >>But where are we on this “cycle”?

    We’re not. The tyranny-liberty cycle is a mostly fictitious propaganda tool backed by astroturf anarchism’s usual shoddy to nonexistent scholarship. Its purpose is to impress on the gullible a belief that revolution is inevitable.

    Revolution. A complete overthrow of the established government in any country or state by those who were previously subject to it. (Black’s 6th)

    Nothing could qualify as “a complete overthrow of the established government” in this country without abolishing the Constitution, the basis of our government. But finishing off the people’s constitutional order is the real motive behind astroturf anarchism, anyway.

    The real revolutionaries are those in media, government, and the “patriot movement” engineering a government-versus-patriot dialectic designed to eventually explode as an American Spring. The aftermath is to be a balkanized post-Constitution “region” whose governments are curiously over-populated with former employees of Goldman Sachs, the IMF, Harvard University, etc.

    This is how such revolutions play out in the real world, as opposed to anarchist fantasyland, using recent history as a guide.

    • Adask

      February 27, 2013 at 10:20 PM

      I can’t see why there couldn’t be a “revolution” against a “de facto” or privately incorporated government that resulted in a restoration of constitutional government.

      • Mike

        February 28, 2013 at 12:56 AM

        Great point. maybe we have the opportunity to break the cycle by replacing the Revolution part with Restoration or Reformation period. If we restore and enforce The Constitution of The United States with the blood of tyrants each and every time they surface we can avoid the complacency aspect and stay in the prosperity cycle. But that is just my hope.

        As far as where we are on the paradigm established at the start of this conversation, I can not say since we are over 350,000,000. I for one am at eight forty four and fifty nine seconds and have been since about 1986 when they first asked me to register for The Selective Service. I have always known I would not kill for an others’ reasons and if they were going to try to force me, there would be a fight. My line has been drawn, I avoid their laws and live by what I know to be right. If that changes and I have to enforce what is right from the barrel of a gun, then so be it.
        Peace and Liberty~

      • NDT

        February 28, 2013 at 4:15 AM

        A major problem with meaningful change is the “language fail”. People use language without realizing the ambiguity they introduce through the careless use of words. For example, government can refer to legitimate de jure government, so saying that you want to stop the government can be interpreted as meaning that you advocate anarchy. Another problem is religion, in that most countries use religion to advance a political agenda, and people have trouble in distinguishing the religious from the political. I can’t stress enough how important the role of religion is within political systems.

        IMO the only remedy is knowledge of how the system works, a grand unified conspiracy theory if you like.

      • Jethro

        February 28, 2013 at 2:59 PM

        I agree, Al. As Benjamin Franklin famously responded to the question what kind of government they created as he exited the Constitutional Convention of 1787, “A republic — if you can keep it”, the “Great American experiment” is not over. It remains to be seen whether the liberty-tyranny cycle can be broken in favor of liberty.

      • Anon4fun

        February 28, 2013 at 3:32 PM

        These corporations are not really the government, they are only pretending. So the term “revolution” does not apply.

        Secondly, a hybrid revolution-restoration has never happened, to my knowledge, and seems highly unlikely. Revolutions are volatile, unpredictable, and generally destructive processes. They frequently end badly (look at history) and, in any case, create an opportunity for a well organized enemy, foreign or domestic, to infect the body politic if not completely take over (the real reason for the current marketing of revolution by the enemies of the Constitution).

        Many legitimate patriots do not want a constitutional convention at present, because, when things are in flux and up for grabs, the ever-watchful and opportunistic NWO would surely swoop down and finally get rid of that pesky 2nd Amendment, for example. Apply the same reasoning to the aftermath of a revolution, except vastly much more so.

        Restoring law and order using a revolution is like repairing a road using dynamite. We the People already have the risk-free de jure means to beat the corporate pseudo-government. All we need to do is stop listening to the enemy’s 1001 reasons to not get involved, and get involved.

    • Sparky

      February 28, 2013 at 6:06 AM

      subject to it. ???
      Does this mean you? OR,does it mean peons like me?

  5. Yartap

    February 28, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    “The health of a democratic society may be measured by the quality of functions performed by private citizens.” Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America.

    Government Checks verse Private checks, this is our gauge upon American society within the cycle.

    • Snapper

      March 4, 2013 at 10:28 PM

      “The health of a democratic society……”
      Please explain to me the difference between a “democratic society” & a democracy. What we have is a PREDATORY SOCIETY. I’m not upset at or with you,Yartap, I’m upset because I have to live in a PREDATORY SOCIETY & I HATE IT. ALSO, I HATE A DEMOCRACY !!!!

      • Yartap

        March 13, 2013 at 8:54 PM

        Sorry for the late reply. But I’m with you. I understand your position and agree.

        My point was to show Tocqueville’s point of to much government is a bad thing.

  6. Sparky

    March 1, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    @ >Restoring law and order using a revolution is like repairing a road using dynamite.

    Like in the American Revolutionary War (1775-1783), also known as the American War of In- dependence, which was a war between the Kingdom of Great Britain and thirteen British colonies?

  7. Ross Masbaum

    March 1, 2013 at 10:21 PM

    Obama & the rest of the minions including “the savior” Rubio want our biometrics, and they want our organs. Line up for fingerprints while turning in your liberty guarantor (comes with bullets). And all the immigration reform talk didn’t stop the jihad in Orange County Cal where a 20 year old (Palestinian?) placed a 69 year old American on his knees at a curb and executed him with three bullets to the back of his head. Not much difference from cutting off his head ala the Taliban. Of course, the authorities are searching for a “motive” which will go nameless.

  8. Charles Torello

    March 2, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    I would say we are more at 7:30, and only a false-flag attack away from 9:00 sharp. The million dollar question in my mind is how much are Americans willing to sacrifice to rid themselves of the tyranny that is already here.

    • Sparky

      March 2, 2013 at 2:39 PM

      Hi Charles,
      Well,I’ve had many to tell me that they understand what I’m saying,BUT they go on to say,”I (they) have a family.” I take this to mean they are not going to do do anything that might endanger their family,in any way,which is understandable. I also understand this to mean they are not going to do anything.

  9. Doug

    March 3, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    I can’t tell ya where we are exactly – but I can tell ya that we’ve volunteered to be here. We’re so addicted to the socialist slack-jawed teat sucking system that we don’t have a clue about restoration. America will never restore the freedoms and liberties once enjoyed until we dislodge ourselves entirely from the snake infested FEDERAL “RESERVE BANK” GOVERNMENT. (Period)

    All of the twaddle about going to their courts and fight “this state” or THAT STATE is frivolous, ridiculous, nonsensical and IMHO a feminine notion lacking any balls.

    So many smart people happy to operate against their own freedom by using the fictional-fiat-fake-monetary system that keeps them and the country on their knees. Makes me ill.

    • Snapper

      March 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM

      @All of the twaddle about going to their courts and fight “this state” or THAT STATE is frivolous, ridiculous, nonsensical and IMHO a feminine notion lacking any balls.

      Doug,are you a.k.a. Tellum D. Troof ?

  10. Sparky

    March 7, 2013 at 6:17 AM

    @ >February 28, 2013 at 4:15 AM
    Great post !!! I salute you !!!


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