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Cops: America’s Baddest Street Gang?

17 Mar

Warning sign for police brutality.

Warning sign for police brutality. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

This video below is infuriating.  It’s a collection of video-shorts on police violence.

But, these video-shorts have been “cherry-picked” to support the contention that the America’s police have become increasingly prone to committing violence against innocent Americans.  And there seems to be no doubt that the cops are dangerous to the people.  But how dangerous?  Is the growing volume of video evidence of police abuse simply the unfortunate result of a plethora of video cameras on the streets that record and post only the very rare instances of police abuse, or are the “pigs” really running wild?

•  Most Americans believe it’s tough being a cop.  Cops are portrayed as working in a dangerous world where they might be shot and killed at any moment by “bad guys”.   And they’re all heroes, of course.  So we need to give ’em a little latitude whenever they go off the rails. After all, the stress of their highly dangerous profession could drive any of us off the edge from time to time, right?

But, actually, police work isn’t that dangerous–at least not to the cops.  Aol Jobs lists the 10 Most Dangerous Jobs in the US as measured by number of deaths for every 100,000 full-time workers.  Those dangerous jobs range from #1, the most dangerous–fishing workers–to #5–roofers (I used to be a roofer for about 11 years but I never saw or heard of any other roofer dying on the job–except maybe from a hangover)–to #7–farmers–to #10–taxi drivers.

Cops didn’t even make the top ten.  You are more likely to die on the job as a fisherman, roofer, farmer, or even a taxi driver, than you are as a cop.  So, if the stress of being a farmer or a roofer isn’t enough to justify flipping out and beating the crap out of some innocent person, why should we tolerate unwarranted violence from members of the even less dangerous and presumably less stressful occupation of policeman?

•  In the video below, we see is evidence of a police “mentality” that’s prone to abusing and even oppressing Americans rather than serving them.

Is this “mentality” growing?  Hard to say.  Maybe police have always had a tendency to abuse but, thanks to the internet, we are only recently beginning to see evidence of that tendency.  Maybe the truth is finally coming out.  Or maybe the tendency to abuse has recently grown to a level that can no longer be concealed or overlooked.

Clearly, this video shows evidence of a gang mentality among police where they refuse to stop their partners from committing assault or even murder, they lie in concert to protect their profession, and they frequently conspire to commit official oppression by preventing complaints from being filed against members of their profession.  As the video observes, the cops are protecting their “turf” and demanding “respect”–just like any other common street gang member.

•  The cops no longer “serve and protect” the people.  They “serve and protect” the government.  They are the knee-breakers for the mob that presumes to run this country.  They are one of the primary reasons that the Pew Research Organization reported that 53% of the American people feel personally threatened by the government and 75% distrust the government.

The cops see themselves as isolated from the public in the same sense that the Bloods or Mexican Mafia see themselves as isolated and separated from mainstream America.  They feel surrounded, perhaps desperate, but also heroic.  Their fundamental loyalty is to their profession and fellow officers–their “gang“–not the American people.

Ideally, that gang mentality will be eliminated by reintegrating the police into American society.  That reintegration could be best achieved if the police could somehow learn to earn, rather than demand and coerce, respect.  That reintegration could be best achieved if the cops would show that they are dedicated to enforcing the people’s rights rather than the government’s powers.

If the cops won’t serve the people, but instead opt in favor of oppression, then it’s time to review the original purpose for the Second Amendment. Nobody want that. Not really. But if the only way cops can gain respect from the people is by force and violence, then it’s probably and unfortunately true that the only way the people can regain respect from government is also by force and violence.

If push comes to shove, the government will work diligently and desperately to persuade the American people that some elements of the people (drug dealers, street gangs or “sovereignty movement” members) have initiated violence and the “heroic” cops must respond in kind.

But that won’t really be true. The truth is that if we see major domestic violence, it’s already been, and will continue to be, initiated by the government against the people.

This video is evidence that such violence has already been institutionalized, is implicitly authorized by our government and is ongoing at this time.

•  Note the number of skin-head cops who perpetrate the violence in these incidents.  If you run into one of these bald-headed pigs, you can presume he’s a psychopath looking for a reason to bust someone’s, anyone’s, head.

video   00:56.54

 

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106 responses to “Cops: America’s Baddest Street Gang?

  1. Jerry Sparks

    March 18, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    Thought I had been arrested for everything possible I never have been arrested for walking on the wrong side of a divided highway, I called the Sheriff’s office one time to take a report on being robbed which part of the items stolen was my “ID.” To make a long story short, no report was taken. Instead I was arrested for concealing ID & taken to jail. What happened after that would not be believed so I won’t get into it. I’m anxious to see Anon4fun’s take on this video.& palani’s too.I have seen some unbelievable atrocious thins happen with law en FORCE ment.

     
  2. Jerry Sparks

    March 18, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    Correction
    I called the Sheriff’s office one time to take a report on being robbed AND(not wihch) part of the items stolen was my “ID.”
    I have seen some unbelievable atrocious THINGS (not thins) happen with law en FORCE ment.
    Sorry for the blunders.

     
  3. Anon4fun

    March 18, 2013 at 12:55 AM

    Perhaps anything that could be mistakenly thought to advocate the killing of accused bad cops without due process should be accompanied by a clear statement that doing so is against the express will of the people who established as yet unexhausted procedures for dealing with criminals, including criminal cops.

    Adask: “If the cops won’t serve the people, but instead opt in favor of oppression, then it’s time to review the original purpose for the Second Amendment.”

    Such a review should begin by actually reading the amendment. Anyone doing so can’t help noticing its express purpose.

    “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

    Nothing in the 2nd Amendment contemplates cops being shot by individuals who consider themselves victims of rogue law enforcement – a common delusion among the criminal class which revolutionary anarchism no doubt wishes to exploit.

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 18, 2013 at 2:28 AM

      Every “decent” “upstanding law abiding” man or woman I have talked with asks me why am I an anarchist.Why can’t I understand the the law is for protection of the people I’m asked.It’s people like me that are the problem they say.Why do you try to fight city hall? I say, I am city hall.DAMN IT See why I have no friends. Who needs friends like that. I don’t. it’s maddening.

       
    • Adask

      March 18, 2013 at 3:13 AM

      As previously explained on this blog, the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is found in the “Preamble to the Bill of Rights”. That purpose is to prevent “misconstruction of abuse” of the “powers” of the Constitution. I’m not advocating that any one kill cops. I am advocating that cops begin to reassess their attitudes, the public’s growing fear and distrust of government, and the cops’ position as a badly outnumbered minority tasked with protecting a bunch of gangsters in government. The truth is that the average cop has far more in common with the people than he does with the government. Nevertheless, the average cop seemed determined to “serve and protect” the government rather than the people. I think that choice is unconstitutional, stupid and potentially self-destructive. I have serious doubt that the cops can continue to antagonize and assault the American people and also hope to do so without consequences that even the cops may deeply regret.

      These adverse consequences need not involve shooting. They could involve the election in A.D. 2014 when a new 3rd party that was fundamentally and openly anti-government emerged to represent the 53% of Americans who feel personally threatened by government and the 75% that distrust government. Some people may dismiss that possibility as a fantasy, but something very similar has recently occurred in Italy. Who knows, the Republican Party might try to do right by the American people. I don’t expect it. I wouldn’t bet on it. I think the chances that a new third party succeeds are much higher than the Republicans doing right, but who can say.

      But let’s suppose that one or more state legislature or even the federal Congress were captured by a party or a significant number of candidates who, once elected, stripped the police of some or all of their official immunities. I guarantee the cops would be crying then. There’d be no end to the stories about how much the cops do and how little they’re appreciated. I guarantee that if the cops had the choice between being shot at and keeping their immunities, they’d choose to keep the immunities. They want to remain “above the law”. But that shouldn’t be allowed to continue and if the cops keep beating on people, the people just might jump up and vote to remove police immunities.

       
      • Anon4fun

        March 18, 2013 at 3:59 AM

        You could be right about a third party. Personally, I have my doubts. The two-party system seems too entrenched and well prepared for so obvious a challenge to its hegemony. Experience tends to confirm this.

        The bad guys themselves employed a different strategy to take over our government. They used lobbies and other influences to seize control of the existing parties rather than start one of their own.

        >>As previously explained on this blog, the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is found in the “Preamble to the Bill of Rights”. That purpose is to prevent “misconstruction of abuse” of the “powers” of the Constitution.<<

        This is a purpose, not the purpose, of the 2nd Amendment.

        Preventing misconstruction or abuse by the federal government is the purpose of the Bill of Rights as a whole.

        The security of a free state is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment in particular.

        Both preventing misconstruction or abuse by the federal government and the security of a free state are purposes of the 2nd Amendment. It’s not an either-or situation.

         
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

      @” …..without due process…..”

      The only due process available today is 14th amendment & on appropriate legislation due process. We know what King Executive branch Bush said about the Constitution. The Law en FORCE ment agents are ALL Executive branch. 95% of THEM believe the SAME thing about about the Constitution as Bush. It seems to me the thing some people are not considering is BUSH, et.al. are saying the Constitution in its ORIGINAL intent is a G-D piece of paper.It’s the 13th & on amendment appropriate legislation CONstitution that is TO THEM the sacred document. Existing via the point of the bayonet notwithstanding. Appropriate legislation RULES & IS in FORCE & enforced. So your due process of law today is highly in favor of the gov-co enemy.

      By the way, what does the following court excerpt mean,> “While taxing religious organizations involves greater government entanglement than not taxing them does, this greater entanglement is not necessarily unconstitutionally excessive.” < Huh? Say what ??

      The excerpt above is from, U.S. v. Indianapolis Baptist Temple (IBT is not a 501c3 or whatever Church) Actually I believe gov-co destroyed them using appropriate legislation which is necessary & proper to/for gov-co, aka FRANKENSTEINSTATE.

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 19, 2013 at 5:32 PM

        The following are examples of how the Supreme Court of the “U.S” understands “appropriate legislation” as pertains to “Rights.” (<Statutory Rights)

        BRISCOE v. LaHue,
        There are two reasons why § 1983 (<Title 42) does not apply.. First, § 1983 (<Title 42) does not create a remedy for all conduct that may result in violation of "rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws." Its reach is limited to actions taken "under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory. . . ."[
        Second, since 1951, when this Court decided Tenney v. Brandhove, 341 U. S. 367, it has been settled that the all-encompassing language of § 1983, referring to "[e]very person" who, under color of law, deprives another of federal constitutional or statutory rights, is not to be taken literally.[8]
        In the words of one 19th-century court, in damages suits against witnesses, "the claims of the individual must yield to 333*333 the dictates of public policy….

         
  4. Gary Russell

    March 18, 2013 at 3:46 AM

    This is enough to foster some pretty disturbing hate (and apparently well-deserves by some cops) for cops in general, and a good reason to take pre-emptive action against them to avoid being mis-handled by what apparently is the once (alleged) good guys gone very bad. Very disturbing, very Nazi Germany, and so close to being outright warfare on the American People. They SHOULD be scared shitless of SHTF, because who’s going to save their asses after they treat innocent people like this? (it’s a trick question!)

     
    • Anon4fun

      March 18, 2013 at 4:35 AM

      Hate for “cops in general” is usually the purpose of videos like this.

      If the purpose was to promote an intelligent solution, rather than incite an emotional reaction that will only escalate the problem, the presentation would be different.

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 18, 2013 at 4:56 AM

        Re: an intelligent solution,
        This is what is sorely needed, & I believe if anybody is intelligent enough to come up with what is sorely needed we can get this “show on the road.” A4f it’s obvious you have a “ton” of formal education so what is the intelligent solution? You could say something that could trigger off an idea in another intelligent mind & so on & so forth that could evolve into a Snowball rolling effect. Let’s get this show on the road. I’m more than happy to be the first martyr.& brother my talk WALKS !!!

         
      • Anthony Clifton

        March 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM

        Treasury Secretary Lew to press Chinese leaders on cyber attacks…

        somebody call a cop…

         
      • Adask

        March 18, 2013 at 12:40 PM

        I agree. An “intelligent solution” would be ideal.

        But that ideal may have been compromised by reports in the 1990s that police candidates were often selected and employed based on their low IQ. I don’t know that it’s true today, but for a while at least police were selected in some places based on their low levels of intelligence. To the extent that police officers were selected based on low IQs, what’s the probability that a group that tends to be unintelligent will respond to or even recognize an “intelligent solution”?

        In any case–regardless of whether the po-lice are dull or bright–a serious question question remains: Will the police respond to an “intelligent solution”? If so, why haven’t they responded so far? Any intelligent American should be able to see that it’s contrary to this nation’s best interests to become a police state. Nevertheless, the police, the courts and the government show little or no inclination to prevent this nation from becoming the world’s #1 police state.

        So long as the police, courts and government appear disinterested in “intelligent solutions,” how do you get them to recognize that it is un-American and undesirable to turn this nation into a police state? How do you get them to admit that maybe THEY are the source of much of the problem? And, until the police, courts, government are prepared to admit that THEY are part of the problem, what sort of progress to you expect in implementing an “intelligent solution”?

        Isn’t it “intelligent” for us to anticipate the possibility and even probability that the cops, courts and gov-co will actively resist any “intelligent solution” since any “solution” will diminish their powers?

        Therefore, if no one can propose a solution that is both “intelligent” and likely to even be considered by the cops, courts and gov-co–does that mean that no solution is possible? Or does it mean that an “unintelligent” strategy must be found to attract the cops/courts/gov-co’s attention and encourage them to begin “negotiations” with the American people to begin to dismantle the police state?

        It’s an ancient axiom that power concedes nothing. If that axiom is true, it is extremely unlikely that cops/courts/gov-co will concede any of their newly acquired powers. That implies that the only way to reduce those powers and gain some liberty for the American people may be by force or at least the threat of force. If Americans don’t want to live in a police state, their only way out may be to fight.

        That may not be an “intelligent solution”. But is it an “intelligent diagnosis” of the problem?

        As for the video being an attempt to strike an “emotional” response, that’s true. But who precipitated that emotion? The people who made the video or the cops that beat the crap out of innocent people? If the police object to seeing “emotionally stimulating” videos on YouTube, the cops should stop beating the crap out of innocents and then claim that the innocents “resisted arrest” or some such.

        Has the video been contrived to produce an emotional response? Yes. But in a world where an intelligent response is no longer recognized or respected by the police, what other recourse remains?

         
    • Anon4fun

      March 18, 2013 at 12:04 PM

      Jerry Sparks:

      The game being played is quite simple. Since they can’t bomb America into submission, the bad guys want We the People to voluntarily surrender a decisive source of power: our body politic.

      They are trying to reduce each one of us to an isolated economic unit, an isolated social unit, an isolated force unit, etc. Insofar as they have succeeded in doing this already, they have corrupted our government and greatly reduced our standard of living.

      If the bad guys ever succeed in tempting We the People to hate-the-state enough to riot and abandon the constitutional rule of law that still unites us, the birthright of America will be theirs for the taking.

      At this point, an incited fog-of-war civil breakdown would reign as international usury moves in to buy up everything upon which our future prosperity depends. Game over.

      If you want a suggestion as to how to preserve this country, preserve and reactivate the body politic of We the People. The easiest, and perhaps most effective, way to do this is to get out the vote.

      Persuade hundreds or thousands of like-minded citizens to turn off the boob tube and change their world for the better by voting your way, especially on local issues. This is how we neutralize the imminent threat to America’s future from a tiny minority who can’t touch us if we act together.

       
  5. palani

    March 18, 2013 at 7:10 AM

    Here is the controlling law:

    Arma in armatos sumere jura sinunt: (2 Jus. 574) — To take arms against the armed is permissible in law

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM

      @>Arma in armatos sumere jura sinunt:
      You may make the enemy understand better by actually writing it to them as written above or speaking it to them as written above. They most certainly will disagree if it’s spoken or writtento them in plain English

       
      • palani

        March 19, 2013 at 7:13 AM

        To those of lesser memory capacity it might be better to carry a business card with that Latin phrase (Like Paladin … HAVE GUN WILL TRAVEL)

         
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 19, 2013 at 1:32 PM

      Hi Palani,
      I actually,once upon a time,and while “traveling” in my “automobile” had my “38” beside me, laying on the seat on top of my “ID” papers. It was “being used” as a paperweight & there also for any other “lawful” use/purpose that MAY occur.On one occasion, as I was pulling into my driveway,a deputy sheriff pulled over to my right,beside me, & short & ??? he informed me that only one brake light was working. Apparently he saw my “paperweight” & he pulled out his paperweight,called “backup” & now we have 3 more “cruisers” arrive. They ripped up the seats,dashboard,etc., just made a mess of my,excuse me, their “Motor Vehicle” had it towed for further inspection. Part of the written report said, “The Subject had a LOADED 38 revolver on the FRONT SEAT of his Motor Vehicle.” “We secured his weapon.” I thought, this is interesting,i.e.,”secured” his weapon. I wonder what they would think when they came across (if I had one) my “business card” as you described it? As you know,everything in your wallet or purse is carefully inspected.

       
      • palani

        March 19, 2013 at 7:57 PM

        ““We secured his weapon.””

        A security interest is a property interest created by agreement or by operation of law over assets to secure the performance of an obligation, usually the payment of a debt.[1] It gives the beneficiary of the security interest certain preferential rights in the disposition of secured assets. Such rights vary according to the type of security interest, but in most cases, a holder of the security interest is entitled to seize, and usually sell, the property to discharge the debt that the security interest secures.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_interest

         
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 19, 2013 at 10:02 PM

      palani,
      December 2, 2011 at 10:45 PM
      Does the All-Upper-Case Name Signify a SUBJECT? The psychiatrist said,“Look mister, you should understand that sex isn’t a man’s best friend so get yourself a dog.”
      palani,for over two years I thought you were a “her” <(:.Please don't be angry with me for saying this,,but, palani is such a "pretty nom de plume."

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 19, 2013 at 10:03 PM

        Hey palani,are you still looking for sex? Remember, whatever you say can & will be used “against” you.

         
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 19, 2013 at 11:25 PM

      palani
      “…a holder of the security interest is entitled to seize…
      I thought my “paperweight” was “seized” too,but it was secured,not seized,according to the report.Anyway, thanks for your explanation re: the deputy’s “right”..to do what he did.or to do what he was entitled to do. Maybe if the founders had said the people are entitled to keep & bear arms instead of saying the right to bear arms, we might have a leg to stand on. oh well.

       
  6. Jethro

    March 18, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    What I found most disturbing was the sheer number of bystanders who stood by passively watching cops beat the snot out of someone who had harmed no one, doing nothing to intervene. The power to stop this kind of brutality always lies with the people, if only they would exercise that power. Here is a beautiful example of “the people are in charge, not the thugs”… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3LVgeOTjqg

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 18, 2013 at 11:39 AM

      Jethro,
      @…..What I found most disturbing….
      Tell me about it !!! We can’t get involved,, etc. And here I am stupid me getting involved & HAVE gotten involved so it hopefully won’t happen to those who don’t want to get involved. Now I’ll watch the video.I just see I put the cart before the horse here.

       
  7. Jerry Sparks

    March 18, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    Anthony,
    @ >somebody call a cop…
    THAT’S IT !!! Anthony you have come up with the “intelligent solution.” And all this time it was right in front of us yet none of us could see it.):

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 18, 2013 at 11:52 PM

      Sorry Anthony,The cops arrived too late. The damage had already been done.):

       
  8. Jerry Sparks

    March 18, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    @ >It’s an ancient axiom that power concedes nothing.
    And corrupt power concedes less than that. I was trying a little reverse psychology on/with Anon-4- fun on the “intelligent solution” aspect. Low IQ BRUTES exist. I’ve had a little experience with them too. BUT there ARE a few RARE sensitive.understanding, kind, & considerate people comprising Government. The SAD thing is, they say, this is all I know (their job) & I have a family. My heart goes out to those kind of people. It actually BREAKS my heart.

     
  9. Anon4fun

    March 18, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Jerry Sparks: “Low IQ BRUTES exist.”

    The lower the IQ of the problem causer, the more effective an intelligent solution is by the problem solver.

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 18, 2013 at 2:07 PM

      @ >The lower the IQ of the problem causer, the more effective an intelligent solution is by the problem solver.

      We are like the dog chasing its tail. ITS the HIGHER IQ’s that are the CAUSERS The lower IO’s are their servants. They are BRUTES & they (lower IO’s) are BRUTAL.The founding fathers established the SOLUTION, It has been LOST because it was not KEPT. Remember, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT !!???!!??” I love the founding fathers but most of our Great (<?) great grandpappys became lethargic.& we became the frogs in the warm water that is a little hot now, ain't it Anon.

       
  10. Jerry Sparks

    March 18, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    @ >If Americans don’t want to live in a police state, their only way out may be to fight.
    They (Gov-co) have declared WAR on US. The ONLY way OUT IS to give them some of their own medicine & this should have been done a LONG TIME AGO. To me, it’s not a matter of MAYBE it’s a matter of MUST. BUT, we are all so scattered.

     
    • Adask

      March 18, 2013 at 2:27 PM

      I disagree. If the Pew Research Center report (that claims 53% fear the government and 73% distrust the government) is true, then we are not “scattered”. We are merely unaware of each other’s presence. We are unaware that whenever we get on an elevator with six other people, three of them feel as personally threatened by government as you do, and at least four of them distrust the government–just as you do. We’re not “scattered,” or isolated or alone. We just think we are and therefore try to keep a low profile. We don’t want to admit we distrust the government to those other size people in the “elevator” because we mistakenly believe that they 1) disagree with us; and, worse, 2) will ridicule us if we express our honest opinion. So, we shut up. And the others who distrust government also shut up. And from our mutual silence, we mistakenly presume that we alone.

      “Intelligent solution”? Speak up. Talk, write, host a blog. Let other people know that they are not alone. If you hear someone else stand up and speak out, make sure that you openly express you support for his ideas. Don’t leave him to “die” in silence. As soon as one man talks and another has the courage to simply express his agreement, a third supporter may also express his agreement and support, and then a fourth, etc.

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 18, 2013 at 2:38 PM

        Adask
        @ > March 18, 2013 at 2:27 PM
        WHOOPEE !!! There is hope !!!

         
  11. Jerry Sparks

    March 18, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Dear Big Al,
    There was a video link provided on your Blog in 2012, last year & I know I have it but I cannot find it. I remember James Barnes saying in essence that he thought the man being interviewed was a “Paytriot.” You,Al, disagreed. I do too. This video showed in part people being questioned by Border Patrol agents. This video is fitting in this thread & should be seen & listened to again. Is there a way, to your knowledge, you can give me a clue based on this skimpy info provided as how to relocate it? I have tried, but I’m not doing something(s) right. I am computer illiterate. Thanks.

     
    • Adask

      March 18, 2013 at 3:00 PM

      I don’t recall the video you’re talking about. Every video I’ve posted should contain a “Video” category link. If you scroll down the list of “Categories” on the right side of the blog, you’ll see “Video”. Click on it and it’ll give you a (long) list of every video I’ve posted. You can scan the list to see if you find what you’re looking for.

      If not, try NetFlix–they, too, have a long list of videos.

       
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 19, 2013 at 10:07 PM

      Little Brother is Watching–and Video-taping–Big Brother < thread
      More Police Brutality < thread
      Police Brutality on MSNBC < thread
      May God Damn the Police State < thread

       
    • James Michael

      April 1, 2013 at 12:40 AM

      I’m not sure which video you are talking about, but to me a paytriot is someone like Winston Shrout whom claims to have the solutions to get rid of debt lawfully but then wants 5000$ to teach you this information which is ludicrous to any reasonable man or woman, why would you need any money, or the guy in Wisconsin that Marc Stevens talks about charging people 600$ to file an oath of office for the official position of “citizen” with every court cite he is using is totally false and misleading to the point of being a total and utter fraud. Al publishing the Antishyster and charging a reasonable fee for his cost and time to do that service, is not in that context nor is someone who creates and makes seminars based on decent reasonable information like Eddie Craig in Texas does at Brave new books.. Gathering, researching and then teaching information is very time consuming and everyone is due reasonable compensation for their time, at least till we get rid of so called money, which I don’t see happening in my lifetime. I don’t believe raping people to find freedom or escape from criminal extortionate terrorists with badges and guns and their Gods in black robes is reasonable or American. I’ve watched many like you described but can’t think of one where someone was charging. Please do find it and let’s have a discussion. :)

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        April 1, 2013 at 6:59 PM

        Hey James Michael,
        THANKS !!! I believe Eddie Craig IS the one I was referring to. I’m going to look & see if I can find the video. Thanks again.

         
      • Jerry Sparks

        April 1, 2013 at 7:53 PM

        ok James, here is what I said in pertinent part: >”There was a video link provided on your Blog in 2012, last year & I know I have it but I cannot find it. I remember James Barnes saying in essence that he thought the man being interviewed was a “Paytriot.” You,Al, disagreed. I do too.”

        Notice where I said that I DISAGREED? > You,Al, disagreed. I do too.” The “I do too” means I disagree that the man on/in the video is a “PAYtriot. Now I know this man was/is Eddie Craig, thanks to you,James Michael There is a video somewhere on this blog & I Think it was last August or September. It FITS in with this thread & is well worth watching. In fact I call it a “must watch.” If I can find it, I’m going to watch & listen again. I do not know how to use computers very well.

         
  12. David Baugh

    March 18, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Al, this is most interesting. For the last two weeks, I have been formulating an editorial regarding this issue–that is, who are the cops and other government agents, officers, attorneys and employees serving? While they fallaciously claim to be serving and protecting the public, and some of them may actually believe that they do serve and protect the public, in reality, they are serving and protecting themselves and the political usurpers, liars, traitors and thieves who have usurped our inherently held political power over them. Article I, Sections 1, 2, & 3, Missouri Constitution provide that the people who comprise the civil body politic styled as the state of Missouri, are the holders of the inherent political power over all internal State government, and police thereof, and that the sole purpose of Missouri government is to secure our antecedent, unalienable rights, liberty, and the enjoyment of the gains of our own industry, and that if the government fails to do this, it has failed in its chief design. That being true, and the fact that we the people, individually and collectively, have no power to delegate to our public servants any power or authority which would derogate, or abrogate said rights, liberty and freedoms, it is perfectly clear that massive political usurpation has taken place, transforming “THE STATE” into a criminal enterprise akin to a protection racket of legalized plunder and extortion. Another term for this is “criminal syndicalism” which, according to Black’s Law Dictionary is defined as “organized terrorism.”

    Here in the area where I now live in Missouri, just about 20 miles from where I was when you stayed with me, an outspoken critic and political activist, Jeffrey Weinhaus (a.k.a. “Bulletinman”) was deliberately ambushed and shot four times by a trigger happy Missouri State Trooper in retaliation for Jeffrey’s quoting of the Missouri Constitution and telling certain political usurpers that they were fired and gave them 30 days to vacate their offices, or they would be arrested, tried, and if convicted, would be executed for treason. You can see it all here: http://www.copblock.org/jeffreyweinhaus Watch Part I and Part II of the summary of what has transpired so far. Myself and several other folks around here are working together researching and investigating this outrageous government conduct, as well as informing others.

    Come to find out this same cop also shot and killed another man about 12 years ago under questionable circumstances. Instead of prosecuting the cop, Jeffrey Weinhaus is being charged with crimes, and guess who is conducting the investigation? Yep, the same groups of cops who stand together and lie for each other and their superior political usurpers, liars, traitors and thieves, and THE STATE, which is nothing more than a socialist police state of fascist feudalism, ruled by absolute despotism as is evidenced by this case and many others, including my own. By the way, this is being carried out by the same prosecutor, in the same court that selectively targeted and maliciously, vindictively prosecuted me 10 years ago for daring to expose massive political usurpation by word and by deed.

    Back when I was a political activist out on the front line in this eternal struggle for our sacred Liberty and freedom, the mood of the people was insufficient to become supportive of my noble and humble efforts in service to our Creator, Savior, and fellowman. However, now I see that more and more people are beginning to feel the subtle chains of fraudulent economic and statutory slavery tightening around their necks. All of this serves to awaken more and more, thus, the worse the government armed thugs and other political usurpers become, the greater the resistance to their tyranny and oppression becomes. Add to this, the “good cops” and other public servants who are truly honorable and morally responsible, such as those in oathkeepers, who will not join with the political usurpers if and when they try to institute their planned martial law in and when the proverbial shit hits the fan, will be available to arrest the scoundrels and help us restore strictly limited, constitutional government along with our lost rights, liberty and freedom. Frankly, I don’t think our adversaries will be able to pull it off because too many folks realize the emperor wears no clothes and the only power they possess is usurped power and authority we have not given them or consented to, and all we have to do is quit fearing them and directly confront them, peacefully, while at the same time denying consent for their actions and sharing all of this with as many others as we can. That is, we simply resist the devil (false accuser/slanderer) and as it says in scripture, he will flee from us. Obviously, they are getting paranoid because they now realize they must either cease their evil ways to avoid certain wrath, or flee to avoid it. That’s my two cents worth Al. Keep up the good work, my friend!

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 18, 2013 at 2:44 PM

      David Baugh
      @ >March 18, 2013 at 2:38 PM
      Thank you heavenly Father for people like David Baugh.

       
      • David Baugh

        March 18, 2013 at 8:32 PM

        Thank You Sir

         
    • James Michael

      April 1, 2013 at 1:07 AM

      I’m in south central missouri myself David on the land of howell county. Joined FB and have been daring the crooks to start some crap after they kidnapped Brandon Raub in Virginia for FB posts and tried to commit him to a mental instituiton for calling them out on their treason, terrorism and crimes against those who put food on their families plates. I know they monitor all this crap and I could care less. I did not spend 17 years in the service of the American people to be made a slave to a bunch of ignorant retards with badges and guns working as extortionate terrorists on the land where I was born. I try every single time to intelligently reach a peaceful solution first, but when dealing with an incompetent moron on the level of a chimpanzee, that is totally and completely legally incompetent in law and reason. You are correct, if you know what’s right and refuse to get on your knees for them to ride, they run like little girls, because they in fact have nothing but their terrorism. Lose the fear be a man and live your life…. If I die serving right and justice in this screwed up country so be it, I’ll stand in front of the creator and let him be my judge, keep up the fight buddy.

       
      • dgbaugh

        April 1, 2013 at 9:33 AM

        Thank you, my friend. It has been said that the pen is mightier than the sword, thus, I am using the pen, peacefully rather than using the “sword” with the hope that with our Creator/Savior’s promises, we will overcome the evil wickedness that permeates our land without any bloodshed.

         
      • Jerry Sparks

        April 7, 2013 at 5:02 AM

        Hello again,James,
        @ > “…..they kidnapped Brandon Raub in Virginia for FB posts and tried to commit him to a mental instituiton for calling them out on their treason, terrorism and crimes against those who put food on their families plates.

        palani knows how to prevent atrocities like this before they can even be in the process of being started. I guess SHE became weary of trying repeatedly to explain what to do & what not to do.

        @ >but when dealing with an incompetent moron on the level of a chimpanzee, that is totally and completely legally incompetent in law and reason.
        Most of the chimpanzeros have the physical strength of a gorilla too.They are aka SLAVE- MASTERS.
        I still cannot find the exact Eddie Craig video that was made available on this Blog.Wish I could. I really thought I had it saved.

         
  13. David Baugh

    March 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    There is MUCH MORE to this than the average professing Christian American realizes. What is true Christianity? Most professing Christian Americans erroneously believe that it is a “religion” like other religions. This is a fallacious belief founded in Talmudic Phariseeism, not the Word of our Creator/Savior. We have this vast army of Christian soldiers caught up into the leaven of the Pharisees, a.k.a. the false doctrines of men currently styled as “judeochristianity, which is an oxymoron. What it has done, through said false doctrines is render our Heavenly Father’s “perfect law of liberty” of no effect, which was, and is, a major part of the Communist Manifesto and long range plan of the conquest of America without a shot being fired. America has, in fact, been conquered by this ideology, also through the indoctrination centers fallaciously called “the public school system.” This has been a war of words, wits, and wisdom through very well orchestrated propaganda and infiltration. Here is an excellent overview by a former US Representative: http://vimeo.com/52009124

    This is MUST viewing and MUST sharing! Very well done summarizing years of research into a presentation folks can grasp.

    What we are witnessing with the division between the cops and the people is by deliberate design. When did “peace officers” become “law enforcement officers?” When political usurpation occurred using the Hegelian Principle, that is, either creating a catastrophe or capitalizing on one such rare occurances in order to instil fear in the hearts and minds of the woefully ignorant and deceived masses using the antichrist infiltrated, owned, or controlled media and entertainment industry. At the same time, folks are mesmerized with being content with amusement and entertainment while being fed the illusion that BIG BROTHER government is “serving and protecting” them.

    While some so-called “patriots” attack the more often than not deceived and therefore abusive cops, I always did my best to educate these public servants to the truth (facts and law) explaining to them that they are duped into a false belief system, and, that when they exert force under color of law against those they may believe they “serve and protect” they are at the same time undermining their own liberty and freedom, as well as their families and friends, plus unwittingly violating their oath of office, plus furthering the socialist/communist agenda. To some extent, I have been successful in that regard, by presenting them with irrefutable facts and the written law, in a respectable manner, even while being victimized by them. Thus, I can say that I have many of them who respect me, and silently support me, and, when the time is right, I am certain I will find them watching my back or standing with me. We must approach this in a practical manner which undermines the years of deception and awakens folks to the real truth and reality of the situation, and, more importantly, that as it is written, once we turn back to our Creator and His “perfect law of liberty” (James 1:25) by “standing fast in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of [economic & statutory] bondage” (Galatians 5:1), and to refuse to be slaves of our own public servant usurpers of our inherent political power pursuant to I Corinthians 7:22, 23 and see also Romans 6:16.

    All of what we are witnessing in this era is proof that men will either be governed by our Creator/Savior, or we will be ruled by tyrants and oppressors. Our Creator/Savior is not mocked; His Law is absolute, eternal, unalterable, and perfect, and He is our Only source of Law by and through which we will have His blessings of peace, happiness, and prosperity (His blessings). Deuteronomy, Chapter 28 is still in effect and we are witnessing His curses being brought upon us by “strangers” and political usurpers which He is allowing to happen to once again enable us to learn still another hard lesson; we cannot ever improve upon or alter His perfect law of liberty without undermining our own well being as a nation of His people. Like unruly children, we are being chastised by our Heavenly Father, but as we turn back to Him, such chastisement will cease against us, and, as it is written, everything our ancient adversaries, the Edomites, Caananites (& other such puppet political prostitute parasites) have built up amongst us (red socialism/communism) will be utterly destroyed (Malachi, et.al.). Back in 1776, the battle cry was “NO KING BUT KING JESUS!” (read “The Light & The Glory, by Peter Marshall & David Manuel) although this is not taught in today’s social clubs erroneously called “churches,” or in the public “fool” system. Instead, they are taught we must wait for Jesus to come and do what He already has done, which is a “Jewish fable” which prevents this vast army of Christian soldiers from declaring Jesus Christ as our Only Risen King, Savior and Law-Giver right now! While the deceived masses are waiting upon Him, erroneously claiming that some fictitious “Satan” or “devil” is in control and there is nothing we can do till Christ returns, our Savior and King is patiently awaiting our awakening from our long slumber into slavery and our once again giving Him the honor, and glory due our King! He is the same yesterday, today, and forever (Hebrews 13:8), so what the heck are we waiting for! If He was our King in 1776, He is still our King and Savior now! Our people are being destroyed for lack of knowledge and understanding (Hosea 4:6). Time to WAKE UP and once again, repent, ask our Heavenly Father’s forgiveness whereupon He will hear our voices from Heaven and heal our land (II Chronicles 7:14). Amen! YHWH speed the day!

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

      @>All of what we are witnessing in this era is proof that men will either be governed by our Creator/Savior, or we will be ruled by tyrants and oppressors.
      That’s it,cut N dried, the whole 9 yards,ball of wax,& in a nutshell.The divine Supreme Law.in on/in the “books” too but somehow it is notwithstanding in this “enlightened” age of “Aquarius.” But soon it will be lights out, the party is over & the real Light of the universe will SHINE !!!

       
  14. David Baugh

    March 18, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    As a follow up to my foregoing comments, I can tell y’all this: When I was being systematically, selectively, vindictively, and maliciously attacked and persecuted under color of law for openly and notoriously exposing massive government corruption and political usurpation, declaring that Jesus Christ was my Only King, Savior, & Law-Giver, and that “THE STATE” and mere humans we allow to run it for us was usurping our inherent political power over them as given to us by our Creator/Savior, they were visibly shaken and frightened to the extent that when I admonished them in the name of Jesus Christ in open court, on the record to cease and desist, their voices were trembling and hands shaking when they proceeded with my persecutions. I had one former prosecutor approach me and offer to shake my hand and tell me that I was not a phony like so many others, and that he acknowledged my sincerity and respected me for it. Later, I had a judge invite me into his chambers and tell me I was 100% correct, however, I could not prevail in the lower court over which he presided (that case was ultimately dismissed after a year and a half of my persistence). I had another judge tell me I was “the most improved lawyer in his circuit” but this I think was merely because I had forced some of the state attorney general’s hireling lackeys and stooges to come and sit in court for several hours, and I had done something that 99% of those accused would not do, that is learn and apply the Rule of Law and procedure rather than meekly pay a fine and put up with the criminal theft and extortion. As we are told in scripture, when we dare to stand up in our Savior’s name and boldly declare Him as our King, we will be persecuted for doing so. But, when we do so, as He said, “be wise as serpents and smooth as doves,” so be very careful what you say when being persecuted. To their credit, the county deputies carrying out the tyrannical edicts of the quisling, pettifogger, shyster lawyer insolent, disobedient public servant usurpers treated me with the utmost courtesy and respect. Why? Because I had previously educated them with the truth of what is really going on. Thus, we who strive to restore the Kingdom must present ourselves in such a manner as to demonstrate to those who are doing the dirty work that we are not their enemies, and that those who employ them are are enemies and theirs.

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM

      David Baugh
      @ >March 18, 2013 at 8:31 PM

      AND, I guarantee that you had some “supporters” to show up with you & that helps much more than people can even imagine.If you were alone & making your stand & presentation you would have wound up the State hospital with all of ITS benefits.
      P.S. The 15 minute video re:Jeffrey Weinhous is a MUST also.
      David & Jeff, two men after my own heart.

       
      • David Baugh

        March 18, 2013 at 10:00 PM

        Yes Jerry, when I first embarked on this crusade I had some supporters, however when it came down to the trial, they were none or few, and even fewer when I lost everything I had worked for all my life. The vultures came in and scarfed up my meager possessions, including members of my own family who did not comprehend the magnitude of my humble and noble stand on their behalf. As it is written, when you take such a stand, your enemies will be those of your own household. When I was hauled off to prison, there was nobody there except for one man, and he too abandoned me. Nevertheless, I considered it a great blessing to be so persecuted in the name of, and for the glory of our Heavenly Father/Savior and accepted my fate and made the best of it. It was a great learning experience, plus I had the opportunity to help many others while working as a law clerk in prison, plus educating many of the prison guards to what is really going on. While in prison, I was enabled to see from the inside what is really going on. I had documented tremendous fraud proving that the Missouri prison system, said to be the “Missouri Department of Corrections” is a gigantic scam and engaging in slave labor as well as defrauding the federal government in order to get more federal funding when, in fact, such funding was being misapplied in violation of federal edicts. Unfortunately, all of my documentation was destroyed in a house fire where I was staying, along with my entire library and all writings and documents. However, I still have my memory and can testify to what I observed when the opportunity presents itself, and cite the law, and, perhaps, some of the inmates are still there to back me up.

        By the way, I can say that at least 70 to 80% of those imprisoned could be released tomorrow without any adverse societal affects, except then the parasitic guards and other useless, nonproductive paper shuffling parasites would have to seek honest and productive employment. In fact, this would bring more productive people into society which would result in economic improvement. Perhaps you may be interested in going to the blog that was set for me by a friend after I was falsely imprisoned: http://www.davebaugh.blogspot.com

        Yeah, it needs to be cleaned up and organized, but I cannot do it as I am lacking in computer skills. Perhaps someone could help? Blessings to y’all!

         
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 18, 2013 at 11:02 PM

      David,
      @ > Yeah, it needs to be cleaned up and organized, but I cannot do it as I am lacking in computer skills. Perhaps someone could help?

      I do not know for sure what the above statement means.

      I stand corrected in part re: my prior statement about “supporters.” I never had ONE at any time. I HAD but have “lost” everything too, but I have everything,at least at this time,that I “NEED.” It’s difficult to know the “whole story” about anyone communicating this way.
      It’s cold in the country,cold in town,cold anywhere when you’re sleeping on the ground.(<in the winter).Went from laying & sleeping on satin sheets, to discarded newspapers to keep from freezing to death.while I was trying to regain my sanity Still am.I think I'm about 75% there.Some Jails are freezing cold too, even in the summer. Wrapped toilet paper around me trying to keep the chill off. didn't help much Please don't bother to respond to this. Hope your video/Article(?) shows a way to keep in touch with you.Also, I meant the Jeff Weinhaus is a MUST SEE, Now, I'm going to http://www.davebaugh.blogspot.com

       
  15. Peg-Powers

    March 18, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    I agree with and applaud every statement made by Mr. Baugh. The foundation of his written word is our heritage, our experience, and our hope. When you know these absolutes you live and breathe the Spirit of Truth.

    And the gates of hell will NOT prevail against it. I just hope I live long enough to see that day with my own eyes.

    Wake up all you sons of true faith, strength and love. Do not wait for the women to prod you on to that glorious day.

     
    • David Baugh

      March 18, 2013 at 10:05 PM

      Thank you Peg,
      I believe we are living in very exciting times as we see our Heavenly Father’s will being put into practical application by and through His faithful remnant. As it is written, if God is with us, who can be against us? Also, through Jesus Christ, we have been given power and authority over all this evil wickedness. Let us keep on keepin’ on!

       
  16. Doug

    March 19, 2013 at 4:56 AM

    While some decry anarchy, I pray for it. I prefer an unorganized enemy to the over-funded, highly organized, tank driving, machine-gun toting, thin blue line of steroid swallowing bullies we currently enjoy.

     
    • Anon4fun

      March 19, 2013 at 12:26 PM

      Anarchy does not get you an unorganized enemy. The interests promoting, and intending to benefit from, anarchy are nothing if not organized. That’s why their plans have worked so often in the past.

      Except, they are organized against the will of the American people, who created governments and said acting to undo them is treason.

       
      • doug

        March 20, 2013 at 7:05 AM

        Did you vote for the hyenas that laugh at you and lock up your fellows while allowing the Wall Streeters and International Bankers free reign to perpetrate the fraud and robbery that is destroying Amerika ? (Party affiliation has nothing to do with whom you voted for – voting alone condones the fraud).

        That’s why Amerika is on its knees. People that support their own demise are doomed. The people in Amerika have accepted fraud as a way of life. The acceptance of “legal fiction” has warped the minds of the populace. Politics has become a religion while religion has become an artifice for propaganda utilized for the promotion of the govt. (See Romans 13 and FEMA Pastors).

        Of course, it’s difficult for those choosing to benefit from government largesse to admit that their participation in the delusion is murder by proxy. Amerikans have had their rights reduced to merely having the right to be stupid.

         
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 22, 2013 at 8:30 PM

      Doug,
      @ > Did you vote….
      NO !! Besides, it’s not who or how many vote, it’s WHO counts the votes. I like to exchange messages with those of like understanding due to front line experience. I’ve learned what little I know the hard way.Glad to know I’m not alone. Doug, do you ever comment on any other blog(s)? If so, may I ask you who,etc.,just one of them is?

       
  17. Anon4fun

    March 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    Adask: >>To the extent that police officers were selected based on low IQs, what’s the probability that a group that tends to be unintelligent will respond to or even recognize an “intelligent solution”?<<

    The probability of success is always better for an intelligent solution than for an unintelligent solution. The "intelligent" part of "intelligent solution" describes the problem solver, not the problem causer.

    Anarchist marketing seeks to worsened the bad cop situation through provocative appeals to emotion that lead to impulsive and unintelligent solutions, which aren't really solutions at all of course.

     
  18. doug

    March 20, 2013 at 7:17 AM

    “Intelligence” – is that how we got here ? Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, and a slew of other institutions for higher learning have given us a prison planet. I’m sick to death of B.S. spewing from intelligentsia – especially when it kills little children at the whim of some so-called intellectually superior political class of murdering scumbags.

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 20, 2013 at 2:57 PM

      NEW YORK (AP) — Police brass were not concerned with whether patrol officers were saving lives or helping people, they were focused on one thing: numbers, said a New York City police officer testifying in a federal challenge to some street stops.

      Adhyl Polanco said his superiors told him that he needed 20 summonses, five street stops and one arrest per month. It didn’t matter whether the stops were done properly, he said.

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 20, 2013 at 3:04 PM

        I didn’t know things like this were going on & have been going on all of my life you Doug? The reason I say all of my life is because my Dad told me this many years ago. I didn’t think he knew what he he was talking about. You’ve heard the saying, hire a teenager, they know everything about everything.

         
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 20, 2013 at 8:04 PM

      Doug,
      @ >so-called intellectually superior political class of murdering scumbags.

      And that is one of their good qualities,i.e.,murdering scumbags. Doug, I meant to say on a prior message to you,I didn’t know things like this were going on & have been going on all of my life,did you Doug? Also, it is impossible for me to see periods, commas,etc on my monitor. Hey, Doug, I’m with you Brother.Tell you a little secret though, I KNOW what the “intelligent solution” is and it is the ONLY solution. I believe you know it too.

       
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 30, 2013 at 4:06 PM

      doug,
      “Intelligence” – is that how we got here?
      ABSOLUTELY !!! Remember,In the beginning “God” (The Elohim) said, let “US” create man in “OUR” image. (-: < Hope you noticed the smile doug. (-:

       
  19. Doug

    March 21, 2013 at 7:33 AM

    I became somewhat aware in 1978 after reading “The Fourth Reich of the Rich” and the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. (Not that I think the so-called Jews are responsible for all of the world’s troubles, because I don’t). I departed the system to every extent humanly possible about 10 years later.

    I think we might agree on the “intelligent solution” ! We could avoid disaster if the majority of Americans would simply drop out of their system. I don’t think that will happen.

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 22, 2013 at 7:14 PM

      Doug,
      @ > “turd world” nation.
      Succinctly stated.

       
  20. Dude

    March 21, 2013 at 8:34 AM

    Wow, sure are a lot of comments.

    Cops, for the most part, are nothing but hired thugs of the State or “this State” if you prefer. I can attest to that from personal experience. Even the ones who we may deem as “good guys” don’t understand what they are doing just like young bucks who run off to join the military.

    It isn’t difficult being a cop. A friend of mine spoke about a friend of his and made a comment that he must have became a cop because he couldn’t do anything else.. implying that having an ego trip and the use of power was the only thing that guy could do for a living since he was unskilled/unlearn at anything productive. I concur as I somewhat know the man too.

    Let us not forget that God is in control even over the mischeif that Satan stirs up. Maybe you will find this article/video interesting?

    http://fox6now.com/2013/03/08/washington-co-sheriff-blasts-chief-flynn-over-gun-control-comments/

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 21, 2013 at 3:05 PM

      Hey Dude !!
      @>he must have became a cop because he couldn’t do anything else.
      I have missed my calling, no doubt about it.

       
  21. Anon4fun

    March 21, 2013 at 10:25 AM

    Doug: “We could avoid disaster if the majority of Americans would simply drop out of their system.”

    I would not call turning American into a third-world nation “avoiding disaster”. Modern economies are highly interdependent networks which cannot exist where everyone is a dropout.

    The Green movement and the population reduction movement would like your message, however. They might have a job for you.

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 22, 2013 at 12:13 AM

      A4f
      Come out of her my people, or drop out of the system. What is the difference? Same difference in meaning to me. OR, tell me the difference,A4f

       
      • Doug

        March 22, 2013 at 7:06 AM

        Succinctly stated.

         
    • Doug

      March 22, 2013 at 5:45 AM

      To Anon:

      Their “FEDERAL RESERVE BANK GOVT” is making America a “turd world” nation that’s also being Balkanized. Interdependence is (propaganda) another method being employed by the globalist scum to make free, God fearing folks think they should rely on godless communist Chinese for their survival. This is complete nonsense.

      When people such as yourself promote “interdependence” I smell a rat. When we started exporting jobs and importing the unemployed and uneducated I smelled a rat. NAFTA, GATT, the WTO and World Court are treasonous alignments instituted by traitors attempting to destroy America. All of these global adjustments are gradually bringing Amerika into the collectivist’s possession as opposed to being a nation of the people by the people and for the people.

      [When I went to Vietnam we were allegedly stopping the communist “domino effect” – when I got home the stores were loading up on Chinese junk. Now hardly anything you buy lasts very long and 50 million Americans are on food stamps. ]

      To stop participating in a self-destructive usurious system doesn’t mean “drop out.” To resist evil isn’t dropping out. The FEDERAL US GOVT has become a murderous plague upon the earth. Are you a fan of Fox News and conservative talk radio ??? Your views seem to agree with them. I put no faith in either side of the 2 party paradox – because there aren’t two sides. The agenda just keeps moving towards global fascistic-communistic anti-liberty enslavement with both parties doing their part to deliver it and us to the NWO.

      Modern economies are collapsing in case you hadn’t noticed. Millions of Americans have lost their homes due to no fault of their own. The Wall Street elite used the desire to own a home and very loose lending practices to create a vast derivatives BUBBLE. When that bubble was burst it created massive unemployment especially in construction which in turn made making mortgage payments impossible for those ill affected. 700 TRILLION in derivatives losses can’t be blamed on sub-prime mortgagees. When was the last time the poor were setting policy ? Get a clue, man.

      Central Banks (International) use the ignorance of the people about money and compound interest to skim away the wealth of so-called nations. People’s faith in this fraud is all that allows it to work. Actually, people seem to believe in this fraud more than they believe in God.

      I have little interest in the green movement.

       
  22. Anon4fun

    March 22, 2013 at 9:55 AM

    Jerry Sparks: “Come out of her my people, or drop out of the system. What is the difference?”

    What is the similarity?

    The direction to come out of her in Revelation meant getting out of Babylon, a.k.a. Jerusalem, which was about to be destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD.

    Revelation has nothing to do with Americans deserting their nation when it is under threat by international usury.

    Doug:

    The interdependence of a modern economy requires the various parts of the AMERICAN system to function in a unified manner – in fiscal policy, law, physical infrastructure, etc. No nation has had a modern economy otherwise.

    In the real world, that is. This doesn’t include the anarchist fantasylands being marketed by international usury.

    A nation of dropouts is a third-world nation. It exists in the type of poverty that international usury just can’t get enough of, by hook or by crook.

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 22, 2013 at 7:35 PM

      A4f,
      It’s “obvious” from your intellectual prowess that,you have served in the military AND as an Officer thereof, not as an enlisted man. As to what rank, I do not know but obviously there were Generals that relied on your intelligent solutions pertaining to any complex matter being encountered. It’s also obvious that you have been hurt & hurt bad in one way or the other by gov-co.Your writings overflow with this obvious conclusion,etc.. Cheer up. You are in good company. Please don’t say you have never been in/served in the U.S.military & you have never been “wiped out” by gov-co as some of us have. Actually your explanations on everything from A 2 Z already show this. So, no need to be superfluous.

       
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 22, 2013 at 9:07 PM

      A4f
      Have you ever noticed a “duality” running through the threads of the Holy Scriptures? Maybe you have heard, what goes around comes back around. Once again based on what you say, but without coming right out & saying it, A4f, The Holy Bible is now history I asked a guy recently, & because I always saw him with his girlfriend, I ask him about her. He said,She’s history. I dropped the subject.I guess “history” can mean different things to different people.You say Jesus was only speaking to his disciples & therefore the message was only for them. Why then did the disciples later write these only for them messages for us to read & ponder about. Your scholarship a4f is blinding you at least at times. Oh yes, I am blind too but it’s not for lack of scholarly knowledge. Yahshua chose Men who were the “salt of the earth” for his disciples, like Peter the fisherman, Luke the physician,etc. I guess you could call them “over the “roads” scholars” tho.

       
    • doug

      March 27, 2013 at 5:27 AM

      Sparks said: “Come out of her my people, or drop out of the system. What is the difference?”

      I say, nothing. The idea that one must be a participant with the majority taking part in mass genocide is ludicrous to the sane man. To think that one is locked into a certain mindset simply because of his/her place of birth denies individuality and freedom of choice.

      My perception of the current reality has me fleeing Babylon !

      Thanks, Jerry – we are kindred spirits.

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 30, 2013 at 10:43 AM

        @ >My perception of the current reality has me fleeing Babylon !
        A4f says if you are not in Jerusalem you are not in “Babylon.” So, there is no need to flee. Besides the scripture that says come out of her my people only applied to those in Jerusalem approximately 2,000 years ago according to A4f.

         
      • Anon4fun

        March 30, 2013 at 11:12 AM

        Jerry Sparks:

        >>A4f says if you are not in Jerusalem you are not in “Babylon.”

        Not quite. You can still be in Babylon without being in first century Jerusalem. You’re just not in the Babylon of Revelation.

        >>Besides the scripture that says come out of her my people only applied to those in Jerusalem approximately 2,000 years ago according to A4f.

        And according to Revelation.

        There is no indication that the directive to leave Jerusalem would apply a second time, especially thousands of years out of context.

        What I mean by “no indication” is “no indication that you can cite in the actual Bible”.

         
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 30, 2013 at 3:43 PM

        doug,
        @ > Sparks said: “Come out of her my people, or drop out of the system. What is the difference?”

        Doug,you only quoted part of what I said, here is what I said,> “Come out of her my people, or drop out of the system. What is the difference? Same difference in meaning to me…….”

         
    • doug

      March 27, 2013 at 5:36 AM

      Anon said: Revelation has nothing to do with Americans deserting their nation when it is under threat by international usury.

      I say the exact opposite is true. Interntional usury got its start in Babylon and exists today because people choose to operate their lives within it for convenience sake. The “faith” people have for their usurious fraud gives it life. Dropping out is the only solution short of a violent clash.

      You may be right about the 3rd world status accompanying drop outs. So what ? I prefer a clean and honest life, even poverty to becoming an imperical murderer. Every Empire has failed – I choose the Kingdom of God which is NOT of this world.

       
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 30, 2013 at 3:32 PM

      @ >Not quite. You can still be in Babylon without being in first century Jerusalem.
      Thanks for the clarification. I stand corrected.I agree 100% with your statement because I understand it. Maybe my understanding is still flawed.

      What are your thoughts about this,> Finally the high priest adjured Jesus to respond under solemn oath, saying “I adjure you, by the Living God, to tell us, are you the Anointed One, the Son of God?” Jesus testified ambiguously, “You have said it, and in time (hereafter) you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Almighty, coming on the clouds of Heaven.” Matthew 26:62-64
      Now,A4f, my question is,has this occurred,i.e., has >this/that< high priest seen the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Almighty, coming on the clouds of Heaven? Believe it or not dear Brother, Anon4fun, I'm trying hard to understand your understanding, as you do.

       
  23. Anthony Clifton

    March 22, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    clearly anon has a modified vocabualry or is unschooled in the globalist/zionist agenda that you refer to as a global fascistic-communistic anti-liberty enslavement…

    surely a rational approach to removing a rabid dog from your body politic throat would include correctly identifying not just the gender but the species and phylum as well…

    http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/william_dudley_pelley.htm

    then it would be totally appropriate {to drop OUT the rabid dog} as opposed to just putting a 45 to your temple…otherwise you might not be complying with the international usury program/agenda which is apparently facilitated by anarchists who don’t Love Jesus…

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 22, 2013 at 7:42 PM

      Shalom,Anthony
      @….anarchists who don’t Love Jesus…

      Your statement has one “word” in it that IS the intelligent solution, the answer & the ONLY answer.
      Doug knows this too.

       
  24. Anon4fun

    March 27, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    doug: “I prefer a clean and honest life, even poverty to becoming an imperical murderer.”

    Someone who drops out, and thus neglects to keep his hired help in government under control, is facilitating whatever crime wave they go on.

    This is why the criminals who hijacked our government put so much effort into 1,001 forms of propaganda and junk entertainment pursuing invariably the same object of disengagement, by We the People, from our body politic.

    So what a society of dropouts ends up with is both poverty and culpability for the crimes its government commits.

    The pattern whereby a general civic irresponsibility is followed by government gangsterism has many examples in history.

     
    • doug

      March 28, 2013 at 7:15 AM

      Anon said: Someone who drops out, and thus neglects to keep his hired help in government under control, is facilitating whatever crime wave they go on.

      It’s easy to see that remaining a participant in the system has managed the hired help and kept them under control, right ?????

      There are relatively few running the wag the dog scheme you think people should remain a part of compared to the number of those being manipulated. When a majority can see their way to withdraw – the system will collapse.

      Why do you think that the Glenn Beck’s , Sean Hannity’s and others try to keep conservatives in the republicrap party when they’re no different than the democraps. As long as people believe they can vote a change into effect or even that any of the D.C. fraudsters are “saviors” … the country is lost !

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        April 1, 2013 at 8:04 PM

        Re > republicraps and democraps.
        doug, It is a bunch of CRAP, for sure, & those who vote for umm are shootin craps but not in the correct way.They are also like crabs, always on the “ball.” ( – :

         
    • doug

      March 28, 2013 at 7:20 AM

      Anon said: So what a society of dropouts ends up with is both poverty and culpability for the crimes its government commits.

      You tried and true servants of justice are doing a great job preventing the govt from committing atrocities. You’re taxes are well spent – killing children around the world. And the D.C. Officials that you pay can’t define marriage vs. deviant abomination.

      You remind me of a battered spouse. The FED kicks your ass daily and you say “he still loves me” !

       
  25. Anon4fun

    March 28, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    doug:

    “It’s easy to see that remaining a participant in the system has managed the hired help and kept them under control, right ?????”

    The negligent management style of We the People has allowed, and even encouraged, our hired help in government to go out of control and stray into crime.

    Abandoning our management responsibilities completely would only worsen the crime wave. This is why the criminal element that co-opted our government is using its public relations arm to aggressively market multiple flavors of political anesthesia to the American body politic.

    “You tried and true servants of justice are doing a great job preventing the govt from committing atrocities.”

    There are not enough tried and true servants of justice in government, and too many criminals. This problem has developed as a result of the negligent management style of We the People with regard to our hired help.

    The remedy is not more of the same negligent management style. The remedy is to cease being negligent.

     
    • Prissy

      March 28, 2013 at 4:23 PM

      Oh Anon4fun !!!
      You are so intelligent !!! You’r just TOO MUCH !!!!

       
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 30, 2013 at 11:11 AM

      A4f
      @ > The remedy is to cease being negligent.
      Yeah Right !! Good luck on the negligent ever changing. If they could just be as you A4f say,in pertinent part > I prefer a clean and honest life, this would be a great help, but the majority are greedy,self centered,arrogant,pompous,egotistical & PROUD of it. I salute YOU A4f for your stand on,“I prefer a clean and honest life, even poverty to becoming an imperical murderer.” You MUST know Doug feels the same way.He just sees some things different than you do,that’s all. ALL the law that is needed could be written on one piece of paper, & it is written but it is ignored by the VAST majority.There is no agape love for the most part & this is putting it mildly.

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 30, 2013 at 11:21 AM

        @ > “I prefer a clean and honest life, even poverty to becoming an imperical murderer.”
        My error. Doug said this. Still, I think A4f agrees & I salute you both on this point.

         
  26. dgbaugh

    March 28, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    Greetings everyone. This has been a most interesting discussion. I dropped out for a while, but kept up with it. The comments bring about the question: Who is responsible? Well, who created the governments, local, state, and federal? The answer is, we did, or at least our forefathers did. This being established, who is directly responsible for the management and control of these corporate fiction creatures? Moreover, who is responsible for the political usurpations which are systematically depriving us of our life, liberty, peace, happiness, and prosperity? Modern day social clubs erroneously called “churches” through false doctrines of men (leaven of Pharisees) cast the blame on “Satan” or the “Devil” and tickle the ears of their congregations with superstitious nonsense which the Bible refers to as “Jewish fables.” Our antichrist adversaries have infiltrated and corrupted religious institutions to teach false doctrines of men (See Jeremiah, Chapter 23 and see the Communist Manifesto). Thus, the people who are themselves individually and collectively, directly responsible, are deluded into believing that “Satan” or the “Devil” is in control and there is nothing we can do until Jesus comes again and once again redeems us (saves us) from this wickedness and evil which is systematically depriving us of His wondrous blessings of peace, happiness and prosperity here in the lands of His promise and our birthright. We have ample warnings of the dire consequences of creating our own government and then allowing it and the humans we allow to run it to undermine our Creator/Savior’s “perfect law of liberty.” The first such lesson is found in I Samuel, Chapter 8. Another is found in Deuteronomy, Chapter 28. Thus, as I see it, our antichrist adversaries in our midst by our Creator/Savior’s design, pursuant to Judges 2:1-3 are doing exactly what He allows for our chastisement for turning away from Him and His “perfect law of liberty” (James 1:25). Yes, we have been not only negligent, but rebellious against our Creator/Savior and His Laws, and thus we are reaping what we have sown (See also Matthew 7:21-23 & 15:6-9). The good news is, He is in total control and is watching over us, His covenant people, Israel, now known as Christians here in the lands of His promise (multitude of nations of which America is one) wherein He has placed us to live under His perfect law of liberty (His easy yoke) from which we shall move no more (See II Samuel, 7:10).

    So what must we, as true Christian followers of our Messiah do? As we are told in II Corinthians, Chapter 10, the battle is a spiritual one, and we are subject to our own imaginations, such as accepting the “image” of our own corporate fiction creature government as our new “god” or “gods” which exalt themselves (through our antichrist adversaries and their puppet political prostitutes) against the knowledge of our Creator/Savior. What we must do is “…bring into captivity every though to the obedience of Christ,” which means turning back to Him as our one and Only Law-Giver (James 4:12). When we do this, our Heavenly Father “..has in readiness to revenge all disobedience when your [our] obedience is fulfilled. Also, check out Galatians 5:1, I Corinthians 7:20-24, Romans 6:16, Acts, 5:29, & see Acts, Chapter 17.

    What is this obedience? Simply turning back to our Creator/Savior and assuming the role He placed us in which is to take dominion and see to it His will/Law is done in our respective lands of His promise and our birthright, which constitutes demanding and forcing the political usurpers, liars, traitors and thieves who we allow to run our governments who are trying to take the place of our Creator/Savior back into strict obedience to our Creator/Savior’s Laws, statutes, and judgments.

    That being said, who are our antichrist adversaries? They are contemporary Edomite and Caananites (and other such parasites whom our Creator Hates (see Malachi and Romans, Chapter 9), yet He uses to chastise us as His disobedient children so will will learn still another hard lesson. They are trying to steal back the birthright given to our forefathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel): men will either be governed by God, or ruled by tyrants. All this socialism which is “red” Edomite communism is doomed to self destruct once we humble ourselves, repent (change the way we think and act) and ask our Heavenly Father/Savior’s forgiveness, and turn back to Him and His perfect Law of Liberty and bring this corporate fiction creature government and mere humans we allow to run it back into strict obedience to His Laws, statutes and judgments. As it is written, we, His people have been given dominion and through Him, all power to see to it His will is done on earth as it is in heaven. Our antichrist adversaries and there puppet political prostitutes have no power over us except that which our Heavenly Father/Savior has given them temporarily until we finally turn back to Him. I see this happening through a tremendous awakening. Let us all be a part of it. Blessings to all.

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 30, 2013 at 11:34 AM

      dgbaugh
      @ > March 28, 2013 at 7:00 PM
      Your message just now showed up on my computer & here it is Saturday,March 30th. Your message was not on my computer 10 minutes ago.Now I will continue reading your message.I wonder if other people received your message before I did?

       
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 30, 2013 at 11:58 AM

      dgbaugh
      You say,in pertinent part,

      @ >So what must we, as true Christian followers of our Messiah do?

      @ >What we must do is “…bring into captivity every though to the obedience of Christ,” which means turning back to Him as our one and Only Law-Giver (James 4:12).

      @ >..Yes, we have been not only negligent, but rebellious against our Creator/Savior and His Laws, and thus we are reaping what we have sown (See also Matthew 7:21-23 & 15:6-9).

      How can we BE true Christian followers of our Messiah & BE negligent, AND rebellious against our Creator/Savior and His Laws and turn back to Him as our one and Only Law-Giver? If we are true Christian followers there is no need to do this. What am I missing here?

       
      • dgbaugh

        March 30, 2013 at 12:29 PM

        Hi Jerry,
        Thanks for your response. We are suffering from the sins of our fathers and their fathers. The predicament we are now in has taken several generations to come about. When you get right down to it, the majority of professing Christian Americans today are in unwitting direct violation of the first four Commandments. First, most bow in fear worship, support, and dependence upon our corporate fiction creature government image and the humans we allow to run it for us. Second, we have erected graven images of these men and created idols in honor of our false Baal “gods” consisting of our own corporate fiction creature government image which exists solely in our hearts and minds and exists solely upon our belief in in, and bowing in fear, worship, support and dependence upon it instead of seeking first the Kingdom (rulership) of our Creator/Savior. Thirs, we have established social clubs erroneously called “churches” where we give our Creator?Savior lip service while simultaneously bowing in fear, worship, support, and dependence upon our corporate fiction creature images which is taking His Name in vain. To put the icing on the cake, we do not keep the Sabbath in order to satisfy our selfish and lustful desires. As has always been the case, such disobedience and disrespect by even one or a few subjects all of us to the wrath of our Creator/Savior. We who are His faithful servants must be doing what we are told in Matthew 13:37-43, gathering up the “tares” in our midst (exposing them and their lies), and be humble messengers to those having eyes to see and ears to hear the truth, which, when practical application is made thereof into our society and government, will result in the removal of our antichrist adversaries and all their socialism/communism/fascism from our midst. Hope this answers your questions.

         
  27. dgbaugh

    March 30, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    Hmmm…It appears that everything on here is being monitored and perhaps shared with some who are the enemies of truth which when properly applied into our society and government will once again free us from this temporary yoke of bondage we’ve gotten ourselves into. Usurped power and authority concedes nothing without a demand, and such demands, even when made peacefully, are more often than not met with hostility by the political usurpers, liars, traitors and thieves.

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 30, 2013 at 12:25 PM

      dgbaugh
      @ > March 30, 2013 at 11:46 AM
      I now recall when I first tried to post a comment,I saw these words > Your comment is awaiting moderation. I don’t know/remember how long my comment was being “moderated” before it was finally posted, but I guess that is what happened with your message. But 2 days ???

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 30, 2013 at 3:03 PM

        @ >As has always been the case, such disobedience and disrespect by even one or a few subjects all of us to the wrath of our Creator/Savior.

        This is unfair.& does not make sense, e.g., If you are obeying & I’m not, you should not be punished for my disobedience. YOU should be blessed & I should be cursed. I’m just using this for an example.I’m also considering this from the standpoint of everyone obeying except me & the whole “little flock” is getting/feeling the wrath of & from the Creator because I’m the rebel. This is totally unfair.If you have 3 children & one is disobedient I KNOW you are not going to punish the other two also,……… are you??

         
      • dgbaugh

        March 30, 2013 at 4:01 PM

        Jerry,
        You are looking at this from a different perspective. Obviously, if just one of your 3 children is disobedient, only that child must be disciplined. However, from a much larger spiritual and political perspective, in order for us to have our Creator’s blessings rather than His curses as a nation of His people, He has given us, individually and collectively the responsibility to establish our social, political, economic, and environmental system according to His social, political, economic, and environmental system. Anytime we deviate from, or foolishly attempt to improve upon that which is eternal, absolute, unalterable and perfect for us, all of us suffer the consequences. Look at it this way: Do any of us have the authority to enact laws that nullify our Creator/Savior’s Laws? Absolutely not! When we, or others do, and we stand by and allow it to happen as a nation of His covenant people, we all end up suffering for it. A perfect example is homosexuality. Our Creator/Savior’s Law makes it an “abomination” which is punishable by death, yet we stand by and allow this government of our creation to protect such evil wickedness, and, not only that, allow them to hold public office, such as Barney Frank and even Obama himself who is either a homosexual or at least a bi-sexual which is evidenced by several reports I’ve seen on the net. When I was in basic training in the USAF, when we had inspections, if just one of our Squadron didn’t adhere to the strict protocol, all of us suffered in that we did not get a weekend pass. So you see, my friend, when we, as a nation of our Creator/Savior’s covenant people fail to exercise the responsibility He has given us, to see to it His will/Law is done here in this wonderful land wherein He has placed us to have liberty and be free under His Laws, statutes and judgments, we all suffer. Are we giving our ONLY Risen King, Savior & Law-Giver the honor and glory due Him when we stand by and allow such abominations, such as the slaughter of millions of innocent people in bankster wars, or infanticide, or the practice of usury and economic bondage through a debauched money system? Is not everyone suffering from this evil wickedness? Hope this helps you understand. Our Creator/Savior’s Law-system is His “easy yoke,” wherein we accept individual and collective responsibility to see to it we set things up according to His Laws. In other words, we, as Christian Americans are individually and collectively responsible, and this responsibility is an integral part of the Liberty and freedom our Creator/Savior has given us. We each must accept this responsibility, and act upon it unceasingly, otherwise we end up forfeiting our sacred Liberty and the freedom to exercise and enjoy it responsibly. Does this make sense to you?

         
  28. Jerry Sparks

    March 30, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    dgbaugh
    @ > Does this make sense to you?

    Yes indeed !! And, Thank you. Your whole message of March 30, 2013 at 4:01 PM makes sense. Still, I say that you & I did not have anything to do Obamanation being elected. It is almost impossible to get everything, thoughts, beliefs,etc exchanging messages like this. Just a thought, I did my basic training at Lackland,did you?

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 30, 2013 at 4:26 PM

      It is almost impossible to get everything, thoughts, beliefs,etc ACROSS exchanging messages like this. < This is what I meant.

       
    • dgbaugh

      March 30, 2013 at 4:51 PM

      Jerry, it may not be “our fault” directly that this evil miscreant is in the position he is, but we are involved whether we like it or not. His election, and that of others pushing the antichrist socialist/communist/fascist agenda, are our Heavenly Father/Savior’s discipline being foisted upon us for our collective disobedience. It is a learning process He is providing for us. Once again we will learn that we will either be governed by Him or ruled by tyrants and oppressors. It has been said that our Creator/Savior is so mighty that He had to create His (& our) own enemies. It is also a biblical principle that if you love your children, you will discipline them to prevent them from going the wrong way, and so it is with us. Look at it this way: As it is written, we are to “overcome” the evil wickedness in our midst. Well, in order for us to do that, we first must have such evil wickedness to overcome. Going back to the original basis for this discussion, how cops and prosecutors are not serving and protecting the people they fallaciously purport to serve and protect, but are instead preying upon the people and serving and protecting themselves and the corporate fiction creature government from which they derive their plundering, predatory, parasitic existence. Look at the lesson we are learning here! Be thankful for it! Be thankful our Creator/Savior is so long-suffering and loving of us to enable us to once again turn back to Him through this learning experience! We are truly blessed to be able to communicate in this manner so we can eventually restore our Creator/Savior’s blessings and all this evil wickedness and all those who perpetrate and perpetuate it upon us will be taken out.

      Yes, I did my basic training at Lackland AFB in 1961. You take care now…..

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 30, 2013 at 9:27 PM

        dgbaugh
        @ >March 30, 2013 at 4:51 PM
        Understood entirely & my thanks.Here is something you will agree with me on,”Thy Kingdom come…..” I wanted to ask you a couple of more things but something tells me I am imposing on you. I sincerely hope I can get my “perspective” right. This is probably the cause that has had me struggling to understand SOME/or maybe most things for years..No need to respond. Thanks again.

         
  29. Anon4fun

    March 31, 2013 at 2:08 AM

    Jerry Sparks: “Now,A4f, my question is,has this occurred,i.e., has this/that high priest seen the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Almighty, coming on the clouds of Heaven?”

    Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    Jesus told the high priest that the high priest would see these things, therefore the high priest did see these things, which means they happened during his lifetime, i.e. the first century AD. Basic logic leads to this conclusion, for those who accept that all the prophesies of Jesus were correct.

    Matthew 24:1-2 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

    The temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD (easily within the lifetime of the high priest addressed in Matthew 26:64). Reading further in the Olivet discourse, we see that this event was to happen at the same time as the coming of Jesus, namely during that generation:

    Matthew 24:30-34 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

    More that just the temple, Jerusalem itself was destroyed by the Roman army under Titus in 70 AD. More than a million inhabitants of the city were killed.

    Luke 21:20-24 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    Revelation 18:1-4 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      April 1, 2013 at 8:15 PM

      A4f,
      I cannot prove you are incorrect & apparently everyone else agrees with you as I do not see any “dissents.” Where is this high priest today, in your opinion? Or, better still, in your absolute knowledge? Either one is sufficient. Thanks.

       
    • Jerry Sparks

      April 7, 2013 at 5:25 AM

      Hello A4f,
      @ > Luke 21:20-24 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies,
      Compare the above Scripture with Zechariah 14: 1-2 Then I believe you will see what I’ve been trying to say all along,i.e., the duality. Don’t give up on me, Anon4fun.

       
    • Jerry Sparks

      April 7, 2013 at 5:34 AM

      A4f,
      I meant Zechariah 14: 1-5

      1. A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.

      2. I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3.Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4.On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5.You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

      That/this mountain has not split apart YET, at least to the best of my knowledge.

       

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