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Guerilla Gardening

26 Mar

 

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“Growing your own food is like printing your own money.”

 

Gardening as a revolutionary act.

 

TED video

00:10:46

 

http://www.ted.com/talks/ron_finley_a_guerilla_gardener_in_south_central_la.html

 

 

 

 
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Posted by on March 26, 2013 in Resistance, Video

 

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54 responses to “Guerilla Gardening

  1. Gary Lochte

    March 26, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Hi Al:

    I am not sure why, but this video deeply inspired me…maybe because the speaker spoke of a simpler life. I don’t think meaningful fulfillment comes from fast commerce and Wall Street glitz. I think it comes from working in partnership with God and watching Him work in simple but miraculous ways, like growing food. Thanks for posting.

     
    • Adask

      March 26, 2013 at 9:20 PM

      I was also inspired by the video because it exhibits the mentality of a man who refuses to say “there’s nothing I can do.” There is always something you can do to resist the “system”–even if that “something” is merely to plant a some broccoli or tomatoes.

      The speaker is right in saying 1) the “food system” does not serve his community well; but 2) his community has plenty of vacant land needed to grow their own food.

      Thus, our condition is not hopeless and we are not helpless. The problem is not simply with government. The problem is a mental attitude that “there’s nothing I can do”.

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 26, 2013 at 11:32 PM

        @ > The problem is a mental attitude that “there’s nothing I can do”.

        What did Christ mean then when he said,”of myself I cannot do anything?” Yes, he added, it is the father who dwells “in me.” Still, what did he mean when he said,Of myself I cannot do anything.

         
      • Adask

        March 27, 2013 at 3:08 AM

        He meant that without God (“of myself”), he could do nothing of any significance, but with God, he was capable of any wonder. Given that the Christ had great faith, he was not alone (“of myself”) and was therefore capable of great things.

        I doubt that any of us are truly “of myself” and therefore entirely alone. I believe that God is there for each of us–if we chose to “be” with God. Insofar as I choose to be “of myself” (alone), God will leave me to my chosen solitude and I’ll be unable to accomplish anything of significance. Ohh, I might “of myself” make a million dollars a year or perhaps a billion. I might even be elected President. Mankind may view such achievements as extraordinary, but in the context of eternity those are not “significant” achievements.

        But if I reject my isolation (“of myself”) and join again with our Father YHWH ha Elohiym, I will once again be empowered to do things that are “significant”. By “significant” I mean serving and getting closer to God.

        I don’t claim or imagine that I’ve done anything “great”. But I’ve done a few things that are “pretty good”. I’ve probably exceeded the expectations of my peers. They might’ve picked me for a fairly complete failure. But I’ve definitely exceeded my own expectations. And that’s something. I may not be a particularly good man, but I am a much better man than I ever hoped or imagined that I would be. My “success” isn’t seen by others in my material wealth or family relationships. My success is seen (by me) in my relationship to God.

        More importantly, I know that any success I’ve had in this life came through my relationship to God. That’s not just another crock of sanctimonious crap. There’s not a doubt in my mind that whatever I’ve achieved that was good resulted from me acting with God rather than “of myself”. Again, it’s not like I imagine I’m “big time”. I host a little radio program. I write a blog. Big deal, hmm? I haven’t done very much that’s particularly memorable, but I’ve done a little.

        Remember the parable of the talents? The master gave one coin (a “talent”) to one servant, two to another, and five to a third. The servant with one talent buried his coin, achieved nothing, and was punished for doing nothing with whatever “talent” (no matter how small) he’d received from the master. The servant who received two talents (coins) turned them into four coins; the servant who received five coins turned them into ten coins. The master rewarded both “good and faithful” servants.

        I am not the first servant. I have not buried the talent God gave me in some hidey-hole. But I might be a servant who received five talents–and only turned them into 7 or 8 talents. Given the talents I started with, I might’ve done better. Because I used my five talents to only gain two or three more, I might be viewed by God as a disappointment. But I did something. I may have only turned my five talents into seven talents, but I still did something. I’m proud of that–or perhaps it would be better to say, I’m grateful for that. But I know in my heart that I haven’t pissed my life and talent away–and I was on a course to do just that.

        On the other hand, those who say “there’s nothing I can do” strike me as modern-day “servants” who received one talent (maybe more) from the “master” but chose to bury their talent(s) in a hidey-hole rather try to earn a return for the master. I find such people appalling because they seem to be working towards the master’s rebuke and the place of “wailing and gnashing teeth”. By “doing nothing,” they are choosing self-destruction. They make the hair stand up on the back of my neck.

        The man in the Guerilla Gardening video is black and lives in south LA. His circumstances are those of someone who could easily have said, “There’s nothing I can do.” But he didn’t think there was “nothing” he could do. So he thought about a problem (food), and noticed some patches of dirt between the street’s curb and the sidewalk and he began to plant a garden to feed hungry people. He did something. He is not the servant in the parable of the talents who buried the talent the master gave him. He is not headed from the place of “wailing and gnashing teeth”.

        And so I published his video on my blog. But the video is not about doing gardening. It’s about doing something.

        What problems do you see in your neighborhood? Can you think of a solution. You don’t have to be elected President, but if you want to hear the master say “Good and faithful servant,” you’ve got to choose to do something with your talents.

         
  2. Anon4fun

    March 26, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    A can-do attitude is indeed refreshing.

    If the city has 26 square miles of vacant lots, what the people of Los Angeles can do (with a can-do attitude) is get their choice of city councilors elected so that a significant part of this land is made available to urban farmers like the speaker.

    Suddenly, most of the city’s hunger problem is a thing of the past. And a can-do trail is blazed for the rest of the country to follow.

     
    • Don't Ask

      March 28, 2013 at 11:34 PM

      If someone felt like taking the months, years, money, and effort needed to TRY to fill government posts with enough uncorrupted minds to eventually beg permission to plant stuff on unused public land, … more power to that person. For me, asking permission would be intolerable. Bureaucrats and politicians have no legitimacy — period — and have zero right to stop real men and women from growing plants in unused public dirt if and wherever they want to. … I admit it would be helpful to have govt sanction if possible to put court and law in the service of protecting those plants from vandals, etc. But speaking on the general idea of begging “our masters” for “authorization” to do good things: governments at all levels have long ago become criminal entities with no longer any “governmental” rights or powers of any kind. No begging is needed. No asking. No permission. You should feel free to do whatever is not evil anytime you want without ever asking. If self-important, feel-the-power politicians want to bitch, moan, or threaten after that, they can be dealt with however the circumstances suggest at that time.

       
      • Anon4fun

        March 29, 2013 at 2:01 AM

        Don’t Ask said: “Bureaucrats and politicians have no legitimacy…”

        That’s merely your opinion, stated without proof or even a supporting argument.

        You’re entitled to an opinion, of course, and so are the people of the city, state or nation who hired those bureaucrats and politicians to secure the people’s rule of law.

        Most everyone has grasped the fact that government employees can be corrupt and fall short of the duties they accepted as a condition of employment.

        Nevertheless, those who work to overthrow the will of the people of this country, i.e. the people’s rule of law, are in for a big surprise when they find out the seditious game they are playing isn’t as cleverly disguised as they thought.

        To the limited and temporary extent these would-be overthrowers manage to reduce America to post-constitutional anarchy for cannibalization by the Money Power, the people of this country won’t forgot the role they played.

         
      • Don't Ask

        March 29, 2013 at 9:17 PM

        @Anon4fun

        >> Don’t Ask said: “Bureaucrats and politicians have no legitimacy…”
        >> That’s merely your opinion, stated without proof or even a supporting argument.

        Hi. Not intending to be contentious at all, I don’t think very many people would have any trouble with my statement. It doesn’t require academic footnoting or explicit supporting argument because its truth is already contained in every mind that knows what’s even vaguely what’s going on. It’s an instant, immediate logical inference drawn from the universally known and documented fact that all governments regularly commit — have in fact institutionalized — acts of deception, extortion, theft, violence, kidnapping, and murder against innocent men, women, and children every day. This one fact is the complete foundation of my statement that agents of today’s “governments” have no moral standing to exercise power over others. And of course, the fact that the mainstream herd bleats obliviously in the face of this fact doesn’t change anything.

        >> those who work to overthrow the will of the people of this country …
        >> are in for a big surprise when they find out the seditious game they
        >> are playing isn’t as cleverly disguised as they thought.

        I wish your statement were true, but if one observes the world and events intuitively, one eventually notices the following: There are *layers* to the deception we’re all living in. We live in the center of an onion of sorts.

        Whatever the final and intermediate goals of the Powers That Be are, the ignorant masses and the enlightened minority (among other societal entities) are mostly all manipulated game pieces being played on a great big board. If the PTB didn’t want the majority to ever discover the evil going on by their “elected representatives,” you can be sure that the majority would never indeed discover it. The control that the PTB maintain can rile up one group in order to provoke another group, resulting in an instability or a confrontation that produces a new direction in the culture or a new form of leadership, or the coalescing of widespread angst into a public demand for this, that, or the other … Etcetera.

        The biggest mistake that conspiracy factists make is not being suspicious and thoughtful enough. They’re too satisfied with the fact that they’ve seen through a layer or two of deception, and they don’t realize they’re still being played. They’re the “conspiracy/patriot” gamepiece, and if they don’t wise up and get real good at what they do, they’ll end up simply playing the role that’s been designed for them. That’s how the mainstream conspiracy crowd is played.

        Things are not as simple as they appear, even to us who are pretty sure we have our eyes open. In order to not be played, we have to be on the lookout, always, for a next higher level of deception. (We don’t have to FIND a next higher level of deception, but we have to be AWARE that there could be one.) Til then, we can’t have confidence that we’re not just another gamepiece being pushed around a board. One suspicious point is: why is the State now issuing “Don’t Tread On Me” vanity license plates? Does that make us think that “the tide is turning” or “we’re starting to win”? Please. What larger strategic goal of the PTB could be served by giving us peons a way to advertise publicly our distrust of the government? List-making for an eventual roundup is an obvious possibility. But that’s just an easy guess. Is a future clash being orchestrated between the “patriots” against liberal hiptards in 2016? Are the patriots and libertarians being subtly encouraged to organize now for that (or some other) ulterior purpose?

        If we poo-poo such possibilities out of hand, why? Do we not remember that our beloved CIA and other paid black ops traitors have accomplished numerous coups the world over? Do we not know how they did them? Are we not aware that they build up this group and demonize that group specifically in order to play them off each other and end one government to begin a new one?

        Remember the “Arab Spring”? Does anyone here think any of that was sponaneous? Overthrowing established governments to be replaced by new ones. How much you wanna bet that the politicians and bureaucrats of those governments came to be exposed for the scum they were, and “leaders” among the common folk rose up to demand change and lead revolts, etc.? Why should we take it for granted that America itself isn’t the subject of similar plays?

        So, don’t count on “the government is about to find out we’re pissed and then everything will get good again.” That’s the cover story for us idiots. Real story, probably: our government, which has been permitted or encouraged to be evil louts for years, has now performed its function and is being set up for overthrow. By us. The fact that this is all being orchestrated, the question that I have to answer is: (1) WHO is rigging American (and world) events, and (2) what does their plan envision to replace our existing government, and (3) are we talking about enlightened rulers who truly want the world to be a better place (not likely), or global tyrants who will create a world of living hell for the majority of us?

        We all need to think and talk with each other non-stop until we figure out the actual, real answers to these questions. Until we do, we’re fighting the wrong battles and the wrong enemies and wasting much of our efforts, and leaving the fundamental causes behind our New World Mess unaddressed. It’s the base of the fire that needs the spray — pointing at the flames is how you make sure your house burns down.

         
      • Anon4fun

        March 30, 2013 at 10:45 AM

        Don’t Ask:

        >>…its truth is already contained in every mind that knows what’s even vaguely what’s going on.

        A second unsupported claim does not count as support for your first claim. There is no tangible sign of a consensus that “bureaucrats and politicians have no legitimacy”. The true believers in this type of statement are few, though it does tend to discourage participation in the body politic (the intended result) even in some who don’t drink the anarchist Kool-Aid.

        >>If the PTB didn’t want the majority to ever discover the evil going on by their “elected representatives,” you can be sure that the majority would never indeed discover it.

        I doubt it. Until you explain exactly how they would accomplish this, the most likely story is that the internet has deprived the bad guys of their monopoly on information, even in countries where people have a high tolerance for infringement of speech.

        >>So, don’t count on “the government is about to find out we’re pissed and then everything will get good again.” That’s the cover story for us idiots.

        I’m not talking about the idiots. And getting pissed is not the solution to crime in government. The solution consists in what we do about the problem, not how we feel about the problem.

        The criminal enterprise that co-opted our government wants us to either 1) do nothing about it, 2) do stupid things about it, or 3) both of the above.

        The third option, both of the above, consists of disengaging from the body politic (e.g. “whatever you do, don’t vote!”) and then, when things get intolerably bad from our neglect, start a riot, shoot at the cops, etc.

        The last thing the criminals that co-opted our government want is intelligent engagement by We the People in our body politic. Such collective action on the part of 300 million Americans could shut down the criminals OVERNIGHT. There is nothing this could not achieve that is politically achievable.

        Therefore, the bad guys have their propaganda machine working 24/7 to discourage intelligent participation by We the People in our body politic. The criminals who co-opted the people’s government need their victims isolated, unorganized, and otherwise preoccupied, by any means necessary.

         
      • Don't Ask

        March 30, 2013 at 4:20 PM

        @Anon4fun

        >>> …its truth is already contained in every mind that knows what’s even vaguely what’s going on.

        > A second unsupported claim does not count as support for your first claim. There is no
        > tangible sign of a consensus that “bureaucrats and politicians have no legitimacy”.
        > The true believers in this type of statement are few, though it does tend to discourage
        > participation in the body politic (the intended result) even in some who don’t drink the
        > anarchist Kool-Aid.

        Still friends and all, but the facile tactic of repudiating statements with the auto-retort of “You have failed to provide support for your claim” is shameful bs. Moreover, note that my original point ended with the statement that modern govt is illegit regardless of the mainstream sheep’s obliviousness to that fact. I.e., consensus isn’t required to validate my point. Any human who knows that evil doing is immoral and illegal, also ipso facto knows that all govt agents are necessarily illegit. It’s Basic Humanity 101. Screw consensus.

        >>> If the PTB didn’t want the majority to ever discover the evil going on by their “elected representatives,” you can be sure that the majority would never indeed discover it.

        > I doubt it. Until you explain exactly how they would accomplish this, the
        > most likely story is that the internet has deprived the bad guys of their monopoly
        > on information, even in countries where people have a high tolerance for
        > infringement of speech.

        You have to notice things and then correlate them in your mind. Govt being exposed is NOT just a spontaneous factor of “the internet” coming into being. Please. Think and see more widely. Do you think there’s such a thing as a major motion picture production company that’s somehow independent of the bad guys? Because the revelation of evildoing is now all over the place: TV and movies and music. We’re practically being force fed a diet of “the government has been up to some horrible stuff” movies these days. Shooter, House of Cards (twice), Scandal, The Matrix, Conspiracy, XIII, The Truman Show, and a hundred others. Hell, even 911 conspiracy theory documentaries on on offer with the major movie download providers where the mainstream idiot can see them without having to troll the internet first. Also, please note that a wide variety of freedom movement leaders come from intelligence and military and classified backgrounds. Has anyone read the Laurel Canyon series by David McGowan? Get a look at what other kinds of culture control our military-intelligence complex has been up to. I mean, seriously. Open up in there.

        Anyone who thinks that us smart patriots are coming together and exposing and outing our bad-boy government leaders, and that this is the extent of the deception going on the world over, that the source and depth of the deception goes no higher than a mere administration or a bunch of fat politicians. … That person is taking too many things at face value. That person is not looking hard enough. That person hasn’t put ten and ten together yet.

        Look, the patriots-versus-the-govt thing is a limited-scope narrative. We’re supposed to go to Appleseed shoots, get orange-yellow Don’t Tread On Me plates, kvetch about Obama and Marxists, hate immigrants, and believe that once the bums are out, the world can or will return to old-fashioned family values. This is the narrative we’re supposed to accept. Smart people have to understand beyond this. Get OUTSIDE your culturally-determined beliefs and try to see a bigger picture. One hint: There’s are many excellent reasons to believe with certainty that Alex J. is controlled opposition. If you want, let your thinking start there.

        >>> So, don’t count on “the government is about to find out we’re pissed and then everything will get good again.” That’s the cover story for us idiots.

        > I’m not talking about the idiots. And getting pissed is not the solution to crime in government.
        > The solution consists in what we do about the problem, not how we feel about the problem.

        I realize that you’re not talking about idiots. I said the PTB were. More specifically, I said that they gave “us idiots” a cover story to believe in. Which, by the way, most of us seem to be going along with. Also, I agree that getting pissed is not a solution to anything, in itself.

        > The criminal enterprise that co-opted our government wants us to either 1) do nothing about it,
        > 2) do stupid things about it, or 3) both of the above.

        Sounds about plausible to me. There might even be another option or two as well, though I can’t think of any at the moment.

        > The third option, both of the above, consists of disengaging from the body
        > politic (e.g. “whatever you do, don’t vote!”) and then, when things get intolerably
        > bad from our neglect, start a riot, shoot at the cops, etc.

        I agree. About voting, I’ve heard the advice to not vote, lest we give legitimacy to a controlled system, and wondered indeed, just as you suggest, whether it’s a ploy to get us good guys to just stay the H out of the polls. I can see plausibility for both ways and am still working on this one. In one way, I can see how not voting could be legitimate, assuming you believe, as I am often wont to, that every candidate who manages to make it to the ballot is already compromised or owned, or else will be just as useless after election due a machinery evolved over decades to get its claws into anyone makes it over the line. For example, see the Savior, Ron Paul, who leads a majority of the eyes-open class toward victory, but keeps “failing” at the last minute — dropping out, or electing not to question falsified poll results, etc.

        > The last thing the criminals that co-opted our government want is intelligent
        > engagement by We the People in our body politic. Such collective action on
        > the part of 300 million Americans could shut down the criminals OVERNIGHT.
        > There is nothing this could not achieve that is politically achievable.

        But of course you’re right! I don’t question this. Indeed do I figuratively pull my hair out over the fact that we all have the power to stop all of this overnight, but that we never do. It’s not enough that we are 150,000,000 strong. If we can’t organize and coordinate efforts, it’s the same as if we didn’t exist. We can’t win except through coordinated agreement and action. THIS IS ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF A SURVEILLANCE STATE. If our beloved protector, the State, can see every communication, listen to every phone call and voicemail message, see the phone and email records revealing who talks to whom and how often, etc., etc. THERE IS NO WAY TO COORDINATE before the bad guys notice. At which point standard operating procedure kicks in, polished and perfected over decades, to disrupt, infil, spread rumor and discontent, setup for jail, arrange tax audits, and otherwise harass and intimidate (and ultimately disappear) anyone involved in attempting to pull people together. One easy example is the Tea Party. If it was ever an honest, spontaneous creation (which it may well have been), it certainly isn’t now. Once any resistance begins, charismatic or well-funded or otherwise sympathetic “leaders” materialize within it. To us, it looks superficially like “we finally got some great people to run things for us!” In reality, the group is now a “guided” asset, without anyone knowing any better. See? You don’t have to destroy a group to remove it as a threat. In fact, you can’t, without people noticing. All you ever have to do is have your loveable, charismatic, “trustworthy” front men in the key positions of influence to make sure it’s less effective, makes moves known in advance, etc.

        > Therefore, the bad guys have their propaganda machine working 24/7 to
        > discourage intelligent participation by We the People in our body politic.
        > The criminals who co-opted the people’s government need their victims isolated,
        > unorganized, and otherwise preoccupied, by any means necessary.

        Yep. Agree.

        And no hostility meant. Just legit high temperature debate.

         
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 30, 2013 at 11:24 PM

        Don’t Ask,
        @ >We all need to think and talk with each other non-stop until we figure out the actual, real answers to these questions. Until we do, we’re fighting the wrong battles and the wrong enemies and wasting much of our efforts, and leaving the fundamental causes behind our New World Mess unaddressed. It’s the base of the fire that needs the spray — pointing at the flames is how you make sure your house burns down.

        That’s right !!! Wow to your post !!! NOW maybe there are those who see what I was trying to say when I said,”of & by myself,” I cannot do anything to change anything,overall.Planting a garden & giving 75% of the fruits thereof away does not change the way things are,OVERALL !! Wonderful post,”Don’t Ask.”

         
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 30, 2013 at 11:49 PM

        Don’t Ask,
        @ >At which point standard operating procedure kicks in, polished and perfected over decades, to disrupt, infil, spread rumor and discontent, setup for jail, arrange tax audits, and otherwise harass and intimidate (and ultimately disappear) anyone involved in attempting to pull people together.

        If you,Don’t Ask,stay on this blog & continue telling it like it is, Alfred had better start watching his back.As for me, & re: your statement above, I can honestly say,”tell me about it.” I have been there & done that, as the saying goes, so I KNOW what you say is TRUE !!!

         
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 31, 2013 at 8:32 AM

        Don’t Ask,
        @ > “Bureaucrats and politicians have no legitimacy — period — and have zero right ………”

        BUT,they do have “The Hour of POWER.” 24 hours a day. MIGHT makes it RIGHT,a.k.a. en- FORCE-ment. This is something we all know, Nobody will disagree on this.

         
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 30, 2013 at 11:31 PM

      A4f
      @ > The last thing the criminals that co-opted our government want is intelligent engagement by We the People in our body politic.
      I agree, so PLEASE, let the intelligent engagement between you & Don’t Ask keep on keeping on.

       
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 31, 2013 at 12:05 AM

      Come on Anon4fun. It’s your turn to respond to Don’t Ask. > March 30, 2013 at 4:20 PM <

       
  3. Anthony Clifton

    March 27, 2013 at 6:34 AM

    imprinting…
    I’ll never forget a scene so surreal it left an indelible impression on me…

    http://diggerfortruth.wordpress.com/2012/02/15/20-signs-of-the-beginning-of-global-consciousness/

    There was Al up front at the CLR meeting…talking about imprinting…!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinting_(psychology)

    One thing I’ve always admired about you Al is your willingness to keep your nose to the grindstone

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/

    did Allen Neal ever make his advertising presentation at CLR ?

    ” But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ….”

    http://kingjbible.com/2_peter/3.htm

    To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

    https://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/nobody/

    He will send His Messengers…to Harvest Tares….for the King.

     
    • Adask

      March 27, 2013 at 1:42 PM

      I don’t recall anyone named “Allen Neal”. If he made a presentation at CLR, I don’t remember it.

       
  4. xenatheprincesswarrior

    March 27, 2013 at 9:50 AM

    I love this! I am impressed. This man is doing something. For the last 3 threes this idea has been on my mind. I am a gardener and grower of food and flowers. Everywhere I go I see vacant lots and every lot I see I imagine that there would be enough food, especially within whatever city I’ve been in or driven through, to feed the entire city.

    Yet, I allowed myself to get bogged down on the how to get the land, who owns it, and the required funds to lease or purchase the land. And, how could I do it? Who would pay for the water? I never thought of approaching a city, only because I assumed – just to go through the red tape would result in more red tape only to get a “NO”.

    And everywhere I go I see more and more homeless and hopeless people. It makes me want to cry. Yet I believe there is hope and God already gave us everything to take care of ourselves. It just a little bit harder to figure out what we can do – without their permission, license or tax. Well, make it free, lol.

    So, from this, I can see I can make a difference. I know what a garden does for my heart, soul, mind, body and spirit. it is absolutely transforming.

    Thank you Alfred. I know that we are the asset and we can take care of ourselves and provide food for the multitudes! Right on!

     
    • Adask

      March 27, 2013 at 11:17 AM

      Thank you. It’s always a pleasure for me to read comments from people who “get” what I’m trying to communicate.

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 28, 2013 at 2:25 PM

        Well then I have done “something.” I have planted a garden every year & gave at least 75% of the “fruits thereof” to my neighbors,even some who have stolen items from me.

         
  5. Jerry Sparks

    March 27, 2013 at 9:58 AM

    Alfred & Anon4fun

    “Our moments of inspiration are not lost though we have no particular poem to show for them; for those experiences have left an indelible impression, and we are ever and anon reminded of them.”

    Henry David Thoreau

     
  6. Mvg-Avg

    March 27, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    About 3 years ago the strip center that flourished 30 years ago when i was a youngster was leveled.It was turned into a wasteland ,it afforded me the opportunity to try to grow something on it.I had grown for the past 10 years a variety of field peas on other various vacant properties.Over that 10 year period that strain of field peas adapted nicely to the growing conditions to my particular region.When I started the pea patch it covered a very small area.Now just from it reseeding itself every year and a little help it covers an acre.Every october I get more peas than I can possibly use for myself so I tell others to go and help themselves,they never go get any , it requires effort.They also respond with what if the police harass them? I simply tell them to say what I told the police when they inquired what I was doing that day with a shovel and a bucket.Sir I,m with the “River Bend Beautification Society” a non-government organization,my efforts are to turn this vast wasteland into a greenscape.Would you like to see my field pea seeds?His response was have a nice day,he ust have thought i was crazy.That was three years ago. Every thing gettin ready to start growing for the forth year here .May i suggest going to the feed store and getting a hearty variety of field pea and putting them down.Most varieties require no effort, they grow like a weed and in the last 6 weeks of growth they go ballistic! Living in an apartment with no acerage this gives me a little satisfaction of growing my own food .Also here in the southeast peas in the summer and mustard greens and lettuces do quite well in the winter with little or no effort.

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM

      Hey,Mvg-Avg
      Tell me more about this “Noon till Noon” Pentecost observance. Also what your source of info is,THANKS !!! Is their a link you can post?

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 30, 2013 at 11:54 PM

        Mvg-Avg
        Will you respond if I ask if THERE (not their) is a link (video/article,etc.) you can post re: this Noon 2 Noon Pentecost observance?

         
  7. Anon4fun

    March 31, 2013 at 2:14 AM

    Don’t Ask:

    >>Still friends and all, but the facile tactic of repudiating statements with the auto-retort of “You have failed to provide support for your claim” is shameful bs.

    Actually, it’s not BS at all but standard practice in circles where logic is respected and one of the parties to a discussion has failed to provide support for their claim. Apparently the Kool-Aid you’ve been drinking has the amazing effect of enabling you to transcend such pedestrian concerns.

    >>Any human who knows that evil doing is immoral and illegal, also ipso facto knows that all govt agents are necessarily illegit.

    Clearly statements like “everyone knows” and “it’s just obvious”, as well as the circular logic on display here, pretty much exhaust the resources you have available to support your claim about bureaucrats and politicians having no legitimacy.

    That’s okay, we can let it go.

    >>Anyone who thinks that us smart patriots are coming together and exposing and outing our bad-boy government leaders, and that this is the extent of the deception going on the world over, that the source and depth of the deception goes no higher than a mere administration or a bunch of fat politicians…. That person is taking too many things at face value. That person is not looking hard enough. That person hasn’t put ten and ten together yet.

    Now there is something we can agree on. However corrupt our hired help in government has become, the original masterminds of this evil are much worse.

    When deception causes We the People to misidentify government itself as the source of our trouble, the bigger criminals benefit for two reasons.

    1. The bad guys who conspired to corrupt our government in the first place get a free pass for their crimes and, thus unexposed, are free to make the problem even worse.

    2. We the People tend to acquire a hate-the-state aversion toward committing our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor in the success of this Republic and its constitutional order, and so lapse into do-nothing passivity at the moment of our country’s need. Another win for the bad guys.

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 31, 2013 at 8:08 AM

      Anon4fun
      Best dialogue yet between 2 commentators.Talk about educational,wow!!! It is disappointing (understatement) that there are no others who will say SOMETHING about your “exchanges.” IF I’m the only one who understands what BOTH of you say, & both of you make great points then it appears we have a long way to go in this “spiritual WAR.” I salute both of you.Your turn,Don’t Ask.

       
    • Don't Ask

      March 31, 2013 at 3:55 PM

      @anon4fun:

      >>> Still friends and all, but the facile tactic of repudiating statements with the auto-retort of “You have failed to provide support for your claim” is shameful bs.

      > Actually, it’s not BS at all but standard practice in circles where logic is respected
      > and one of the parties to a discussion has failed to provide support for their claim.
      > Apparently the Kool-Aid you’ve been drinking has the amazing effect of enabling
      > you to transcend such pedestrian concerns.

      Agreed to let this go. … AFTER I shamelessly try to get in the last word. :-) … If I may simply re-phrase: It is my unfootnoted and unproven PERSONAL OPINION that organizations that commit crimes against innocent people are — what’s the word for it? — actual CRIMINAL organizations. And organizations don’t act apart from the individuals (the bureaucrats and politicians) who do the deciding and the authorizing and the initiation of the force — the kidnapping of children, the locking of humans into cages, the expropriation of bank accounts and homes, the confiscation of “too much cash” on one’s person, and whatnot.

      That personal opinion of mine is the first, major premise of a syllogism. Anyone is free to say I’m wrong.

      The second, minor premise of the syllogism is that governments ARE SUCH ORGANIZAITONS, i.e., that they do commit crimes constantly and ubiquitously, from merely petty despotic acts of local officials to Earth-shuddering crimes against humanity of high-level governments. Specific examples of this premise is what I left out in my earlier messages. And the reason I left out examples was that such evidence isn’t — to my knowledge — disputed. It’s everywhere. The premise that most (probably all) governments commit crimes regularly against the people is something we all see every day. To prove it, we have simply to watch or read journalistic reports of events (mainstream or alternative), look out the window, read your correspondence from the DMV, IRS, or whatever. Or walk into court to defend against a ticket one day, rebut the outright lie told by a policeman to guarantee his win, and watch the judge reject your sworn testimony but accept the testimony of the policeman every time, without any other evidence. The list goes ON.

      So, yeah, either of my premises can be denied by anyone. Maybe they’re too “extreme.” Maybe I exaggerate the case. Maybe individual rights are supposed to be sacrificed to Government, as payment for the favor of being allowed to live, breathe, and act. If either premise is false, then my original conclusion is unproven. That conclusion being: that governments (bureaucrats and politicians) have no legitimate authority to deny or punish the good sense and free action of innocent human beings. Otherwise, to the best of my knowledge, the conclusion follows fairly reasonably.

      > When deception causes We the People to misidentify government itself
      > as the source of our trouble, the bigger criminals benefit for two reasons.
      > ….

      Absolutely agree with you.

      To try to consolidate a little of my earlier rambling: Due to many observations and constant attempts at dot-connecting, I think a contingent of patriotic men and women are being deliberately encouraged and cultivated right now. To what end, is my main question. Possibilities that have crossed my mind: (1) the invisible PTB need a capable, riled up contingent to accomplish the eventual ousting of established government in America, as a precondition for setting in place some new form of “governance,” the likes of which we have no idea of as yet. (2) The “old school” generations of this country need to be got rid of in order for the PTB to go forward efficiently setting up a consolidated world gov.

      Have you noticed how the newer generations coming out of school have no concept of individual rights anymore? Of privacy? Have you noticed that any concern for, knowlege of, or belief in the Constitution has been completely bred out of these latest crops of “Americans”? Now look at us oldies. We’re troublemakers. We cling to the old ways of being free, doing our own thing, owning our own land, being responsible for our own selves. And resisting anyone who would change that. So, … By orchestrating an eventual showdown between the mostly religious, freedom-loving, gun-wielding American types and government (which they probably know we would lose), you get rid of a whole group of annoying pests all at once. You see how elegant a plan that is? The best part is that all happens WITHOUT the government looking like Nazis. The black ops boys engineer enough crimes and rebellions and shooting sprees blamed on patriots, and the sheeplike majority of the country won’t want anything to do with us. They’ll be ever so thanksful that the government was there to detect these nasty gun-lovers, kill many of them in battle, and — thank goodness — imprison the rest of them so they can no longer pose a threat to society.

      At that time, incidentally, the full removal of the 2nd Amendment would be a fait accompli as well.

      Anyway, … If anybody is reading this and is interested, here are some more movies and TV shows that — uncharacteristically of the usual Hollywood status quo — make extraordinary implications and feed feelings of patriotic resistance to evil government: — SPOILER ALERT — SPOILER ALERT — SPOILER ALERT — Look at the extraordinary (evil govt contractor bombs its own country to take it over) premise of Jericho. Look at who the sympathetic good guys are and who the bad guy is in Firefly (ragtag outlaw “independents” trying to survive while evading pursuit by a dogged and massive federal-style government. Look at the govt setup job in Shooter. Look at who they set up (a patriotic veteran). Notice how you feel when justice was done at the end. Etc., etc., etc. Of course, innumerable documentaries are out now on every topic too. For example, new exposes of the JFK assassination and also one proving that JFK Jr.’s plane crash was also an assassination. (Which persuasively implicates the Pentagon/military/FAA as accessories after the fact, if not worse.) There’s much more than this too. This is just all I have time to mention right now.

      By the way, want to hear something weird? (I always take note of unusual coincidences.) The TV show “Jericho” went one season, and racked up quite a popular following. The producer announced that it was cancelling it. The viewers went nuts and persuaded the producer to do one more season, at which time it did cancel the series. The interesting thing is that this is exactly the same thing that happened to the Firefly series. Popular success. “Hey, we’re going to cancel it now.” Uproar. “Okay, we’ll continue.” Then cancelled after the second season.

      I don’t know if this was just an innocent coincidence, and I don’t know what it means if it wasn’t. I’m just saying it’s interesting to note. Both were pro-individual, anti-big-brother flicks, and both got the “you can only have a quick taste” treatment. No going on for years like other popular series. Hmm.

      Bottom line is: I ramble. Apologies.

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        April 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM

        Don’t Ask,
        You have either front line experience or up front first hand knowledge of what you say otherwise you would not be capable of explaining what you do & the way you do. I sincerely hope you stay on this blog & keep commenting. If you are not familiar with a group of sophisticated robots called “Quatloos” don’t waste your time with that “group.” I doubt very seriously if that group would allow any of your comments to be posted anyway. Why did I bring Quatloos up? I don’t know.So, anyway,Don’t Ask, what is your solution as to what we can do to become a “Republic” AGAIN,like in the days of Benjamin Franklin?
        P.S. You are a man after my own heart. I salute you !!!

         
      • Don't Ask

        April 1, 2013 at 6:19 PM

        @ Jerry Sparks

        You’re way generously kind. Thank you for your encouraging replies.

        For the record, I kinda feel right now, after all my diatribing/monologuing, like an annoying pest who thinks he knows it all. I’ll try in future to minimize this unfortunate side effect of myself.

        > If you are not familiar with a group of sophisticated robots called “Quatloos”
        > don’t waste your time with that “group.” I doubt very seriously if that group
        > would allow any of your comments to be posted anyway. Why did I bring
        > Quatloos up? I don’t know.

        In my reading, I think I’ve run across these — what do they call ’em? — “Quatlosers”? Yeah. Best I can tell, they’re on a payroll, if you know what I mean. Busy commenting hither and yon about how crazy it is to believe that taxation might be a scam, etc.

        > So, anyway,Don’t Ask, what is your solution as
        > to what we can do to become a “Republic” AGAIN,like in the days of
        > Benjamin Franklin?

        I’m not a pro, so … The best I can think of right now is probably something like: (1) it would be a very important for the semi-awake conspiracy factist population to identify and throw off the controlled element of the movement, which is designed to keep them looking the wrong way, listening to outrages, and not doing anything material or intelligent to wake up the mainstream populace. In general, it seems clear to me that you always have to question your leaders ruthlessly, and the leaders of whatever movement you feel you belong to. Because it’s a simple TECHNICAL FACT that taking the reins of groups they want to control is a full-blown capability of our masters like the CIA, FBI, and military psych ops experts. If the peon membership of ANY group isn’t ALWAYS suspicious of its leaders, always testing them, questioning them, looking at their past, etc., it’s not doing one of its primary and most important jobs as a caretaker and defender of human freedom. I mean any group: Tea Parties, Libertarian party, church, NRA, Appleseed, et al. This does NOT mean that I think all of these are controlled — I’m just saying that we HAVE TO make sure that they AREN’T. — BE SUSPICIOUS!

        To know what I mean better, I highly recommend that anyone read the whole “Laurel Canyon” article series by David McGowan. Things and people and organizations that you would never think were controlled assets, are — or certainly seem to be. So gotta always look into the past and the connections of those who run or influence them. See if you start noticing patterns or coincidences, and pay attention when and if you do. Once you start looking, it’s kinda “funny” how you start finding an intelligence connection to many leaders of various groups. I found a good number on my own (I’ll have to keep to myself for now). You can do the same. Find a group of political or cultural or educational influence, and check out the backgrounds of heads, figureheads, chiefs, advisors, or other persons of influence.

        (2) The one biggest thing that would stop the PTB is wresting influence over the mainstream mind away from the iron-like hand of the mainstream media. If that were possible. Is it possible? For example, have you ever proven to a mainstream drone that 9/11 was necessarily a false flag? Or that Sandy Hook was demonstrably staged and faked? Have you noticed how it doesn’t matter that you can prove yourself — they aren’t interested? THIS is the iron-handed control that we have to figure out a way to overcome. A revolution in interpersonal communication is the thing. What words can we speak, what kind of authorities can we become, how charismatic can we make ourselves, etc.? How can we make the average intelligent fool notice what we’re saying and care? Each of us can sit with a pen and write down a couple dozen things that might possibly help ourselves in the battle against the daily repetitions of the CNNs and FOX News’s.

        It seems to me that this is where efforts have to be targeted. Seems to me that it might all be won or lost on whether we can win over the average, duped human mind. Beginning lines of thought:

        MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO AGREE WITH YOU:
        people like popular people best. people listen to charismatic people. People listen to well-dressed people more than shabby-looking ones. people will pay more attention if they think they’ll look foolish otherwise.

        CONVEY THAT BEING INTERESTED IN CONSPIRACY FACTISM DOESN’T HAVE TO MEAN LOSING YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR CAREER, AND YOUR PARTY INVITATIONS.
        If there could be ways to remove the stigma of knowing the truth, that by itself would remove a significant block to average fools becoming enlightened to reality. Can this be done? Yeah. I haven’t brainstormed ways yet, but I think we could think of things that might help.

        HAVE YOUR EVIDENCE ON YOU AT ALL TIMES:
        you can have more success proving your point if you (and all of us individually) carry around a small portfolio of physical evidence for whatever event you want to spread the truth about — the relevant and convincing photos, the quotes from officials, the extracts from official texts (for example, the “Pearl Harbor” extract from the New American Century report), videos (on your laptop), the scientific references disproving the official story — etc., etc. Whenever you can start a conversation with someone, you will automatically always have the hard evidence in your backpack for them to actually see. Very few people will actually go home and look up what you talked about. So have the whole case on you at all times. You know that photo showing the aluminum-skinned wingtips of the plane cutting through a steel building? Got an image showing the dense, steel and concrete structure of the inside of the twin towers? Have that in there, so people can get a real idea of what the official story says that an aluminum wingtip sliced through. Got a series of photos showing the accidental “nose out” of plane #2? Have it on you, ready to flip to and show at any time. There are a hundred things that could and should go in there, depending on which and how many subjects you feel competent talking about.

        FIGURE OUT COMMUNICATION PSYCHOLOGY:
        Are there psychological ways to get through to someone that we could keep in mind during approaches? Is there a tone of voice that people feel compelled to pay attention to more than another? Are there unusually productive opening gambits, opening statements, phrases, tactics that can make someone take us more seriously? If we take ourselves seriously and confident, will others treat us with more attention than if we feel sheepish and worried about how we’ll look? Are there good way to handle typical responses? YES, indubitably. Let’s share. On some wiki, maybe.

        USE THE POWER OF FREE ADVERTISING.
        Has anyone thought up a short, incisive statement or question or whatever that could be printed on t-shirts and worn by all of us all over America? Something suggestive and intelligent enough that it would cause the average person to stop and blink and think for a minute? No one has to print such shirts for sale, we could, any of us, go and print up a handful for $40 or whatever and start wearing them around town. It’s summertime coming up. Surely someone has a brilliant quip or graphic or … ? Surely ten or a hundred of us have ten or a hundred brilliant options? And not just an exhortation to “revolution” or something — I mean something that will make everyone who sees it frown in thought and wonder and make a positive mental connection of some sort.

        The best kind might also induce people to start up a conversation with you, to ask a question. “What does that mean?” “Is that really true?” “Oh my gosh, my uncle says the same thing.” A lightning rod for attention that gets people to connect to you so you can share more facts with them.

        THERE’S GOTTA BE A WAY. BRAINSTORMING. SHARING. MOMENTUM.
        More than just the above, perhaps feeble, ideas that I pulled off the top of my head, the basic idea is I think we need to figure out and SHARE with each other any communication strategies that might give us a marginal edge over the mainstream grip on our fellows’ minds. A “best practices” how-to on a wiki, maybe, growing and perfecting over time. There’s gotta be a way if we think and coordinate thoughts a bit. Ways to approach. Ways to talk. Ways to present. Ways to parry and thrust back against objections. Ways to make ignorance look stupid, and intelligent engagement look — intelligent. Etc. If a thousand of us brainstorm and try out stuff, and share portfolio contents and ideas, etc., maybe we’ll discover that we can ENLIGHTEN the human mind faster than the controlled media can BURY it.

        I regret the shaggily unedited form of this, but was running out of time.

         
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 31, 2013 at 6:34 PM

      Anon4fun,
      Thanks to Mvg-Avg, I came across a word that appears to fit into your understanding of certain terms & meanings in the Bible.The word is, preterists. Are you familiar with that/this word? Also.I am now for the first time in my life coming into the knowledge of a new calendar, the solar calendar. I may wind up owing you an apology. If so, I will do it in a heartbeat. I just need to study into this & I don’t know how long it will take as I am a slow learner. When does a day begin & end from YHWH’s point of view, that is, in your understanding?.

       
  8. Mvg-Avg

    March 31, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    Jerry,I believe your referring to the Passover.For the past several years I have tried my best to keep the Passover. Pastor Peter’s wrote a book called” Solar Sanity verses Lunar Lunacy” explaining the importance in keeping the passover and using the solar cycle. It is referred to as the 14th Day of Abib,this will be on monday starting at 12 noon thru 12 noon tues.

    In as far keeping it within a simple tradition I roast a piece of beef eat some strong herbs and greens ,then spend the day in the first five books of the Bible. Hope this helps you . Thanks Jerry

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      March 31, 2013 at 2:22 PM

      Mvg-Avg,
      Thank you !! I thought you said Pentecost. I’m sorry. Anyway, regardless, I know that YHWH ends a day at sunset. The “Pope” changed that & made a day to end at midnight. Either way, Passover is commemorated the way you observe it with parts of two days as best as I can figure it out. From Noon until the sunsets or midnight which ends that day,either way. So, we have from Noon until the evening ending that day, or we have from Noon until midnight ending that day.But, we still have until Noon coming which will be the completion of ‘the DAY of Passover.” The only way I can see Passover being ONE day(24 hours) is for a day to begin at Noon & end the next Noon. See what I’m trying to say? Anyway, I’m still trying to understand,”between the two evenings” as re: Passover as described in the “old testament.” I’m going to check out this “Solar Sanity verses Lunar Lunacy” (if I can find it).
      Thanks for your response. I believe we are buddies again & I like that. Did you get my previous apology to you? I forget what thread it is on & I forgot my E-mail password so I cannot access my E mail to see if I have any notices of new posts on Alfred’s Blog. Thanks again, Mvg-Avg.

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 31, 2013 at 5:09 PM

        I found “Solar Sanity versus Lunar Lunacy” Have been listening & reading some of the articles included for the last 5 hours & will continue to study Pastor Peters’ articles. Thanks. I need to understand this noon to noon versus the evening & the morning was the first day & on. A day cannot end at sunset & at noon too, at least as far as I know or can tell. BUT this “3rd calendar is new to me. Thanks Mvg-Avg.

         
      • Jerry Sparks

        March 31, 2013 at 6:37 PM

        I know that YHWH ends a day at sunset. < At least I thought he/they did. NOW I'm not for sure from info Mvg-Avg has brought to my attention.

         
    • Jerry Sparks

      April 1, 2013 at 11:56 AM

      Mvg-Avg,
      I said previously, > “I know that YHWH ends a day (complete 24 hour day) at sunset.” Well at least I THOUGHT he did. Which came first, sunrise or sunset? I don’t see how the first sunset occurred unless there was a sunrise first.I’m between a rock & a hard place now. BUT, it seems like the beginning of a day (<light portion) starts at sunrise & ends at sunset, & then the dark/night portion of that same day begins & ends approximately 12 hours later. If this is true, then the 2nd day begins at sunrise. This makes more sense than a noon to noon day. Heck, I don't know.

       
  9. Anon4fun

    April 1, 2013 at 2:28 AM

    Jerry Sparks:

    “The word is, preterists. Are you familiar with that/this word?”

    I am familiar with this word and give the preterists credit for searching the scriptures on certain matters rather than following the doctrines of men.

    Do I therefore believe something just because preterism says it? No, the preterists can be wrong, just like anyone else with an opinion on the Bible.

    “When does a day begin & end from YHWH’s point of view, that is, in your understanding?”

    It is possible that God’s calendar begins its days at sunset, given Biblical precedent. On the other hand, the sun is constantly setting somewhere in the world, so maybe this only applied when God’s people were in a single time zone during the Old Covenant. I’m not sure. This could be worth looking into.

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      April 1, 2013 at 12:22 PM

      Anon4fun
      THANKS !!! I am grateful to you for your reply. Yes, I understand that we ALL can be & undoubtedly are wrong about some things. What things? I have no idea.
      @ > This could be worth looking into.
      I’m looking into it but how do I know if my understanding is correct after I am finished “looking into it?” I think there are at least some of us who do the best we can with that which we understand to be correct. A4f, I have NEVER at least knowingly said you were/are wrong about anything you say. I have tried to say that you & I understand some things differently. I think telling anyone, “you are wrong, is arrogant.There are better ways to tell someone/anyone that we understand some things differently. This what I try to do. I do see however that you or anyone else could say, Jerry is telling me in a subtle way that I am wrong re: this or that. Try to take into account my lack of knowledge on how to communicate properly. THANKS AGAIN !!!
      P.S. Are you familiar,etc., with this “Solar Calendar? ” If so, what are your thoughts about it?

       
    • Jerry Sparks

      April 1, 2013 at 4:06 PM

      A4f,
      I have believed for years that God’s days begin at sunset but as far as the sun is always setting somewhere in the world, this is no problem because when the 7th day Sabbath begins on the east coast, it will be a few hours later when it begins on the west coast. So, if you are on the east coast observing the Sabbath, & I’m on the west coast I may very well be mowing someone’s yard because it’s either 3 or 4 hours before it will begin where I am. I forget the hour time difference between the two coasts but you get my point.

       
    • Jerry Sparks

      April 2, 2013 at 6:20 PM

      Anon4fun,et.al..
      Will you be so kind to help me understand what happened to a comment I sent to Don’t Ask? What I posted came uo in all red letters. Also, the 1st sentence in red letters was UNDER the paragraph not in conjunction with it ( as tho it was a part of the response from,Don’t Ask). When I clicked on the post comment button, my response came up in red letters. Did I unknowingly do something to make this happen? I have no idea why my comment “appeared” as it did. Thanks to anyone who can advise me about what happened.

       
  10. Mvg-Avg

    April 1, 2013 at 8:47 AM

    It has been my understanding that when the sun is at high noon it is from there it begins to set.That may be when the evening hours begin.Maybe in “this state” sunset is perceived by most to be when the sun disappears off the horizon. DEFINITIONS of such. It seems one must question maintream’s definitions on just about everything these days .

     
    • Jerry Sparks

      April 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM

      Mvg-Avg
      @ >It has been my understanding that when the sun is at high noon it is from there it begins to set.

      This makes sense. Certainly it is in in the process of setting, I would think. But we have what is called afternoon which is literally true. It’s AFTER Noon. But what about the two evenings? E.g., In the first month,on the fourteenth of the month,between the two evenings, is the passover..Lev.23:5

      There are many other scriptures that say between the two evenings,e.g.,Numbers 9:3, Exodus 12:6
      Numbers 28:4, & more. What are the ” clock times” of these two evenings? To me, evening is later than afternoon even tho it is AFTER Noon,i.e. 1 minute past 12 o’clock day time.

      P.S. I have also come across some “very unfavorable” comments about Pastor Peters which only makes me even more interested in him. & his teachings. The unfavorable remarks to me, are B.S.

       
    • Jerry Sparks

      April 1, 2013 at 3:54 PM

      Mvg-Avg,
      Is it your understanding that a “day” begins at noon. If so, & this is true, then this day will be over at noon the next day. Right?

       
  11. mvg-avg

    April 2, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    the bible says beware when (wo)men speak favorably of you.Pastor Pete was the only one that i recall that preached baptism for the remission of sins Acts 2:38 on the black box (shortwave).the serpents hated him ,jerry you know the serpents ,the 2 legged ones.there are the serpents that monitor this blog?

     
    • Adask

      April 2, 2013 at 1:14 PM

      I’d be insulted if there weren’t.

      One of my great fears is that one day, I’ll got to the FBI to ask for a copy of my file and–after diligent search–the agent tells they don’t have a file in my name. After trying to raise hell for the gov-co for 30 years, what if they hadn’t even heard my name?!! What an embarrassment! I’d feel as if I’d wasted my life.

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        April 2, 2013 at 8:45 PM

        @ >What an embarrassment! I’d feel as if I’d wasted my life.
        Rest assured you will NEVER be embarrassed about your name not being there. Also they know things about you that you have probably forgotten. I will feel the same way you would if my name is not written in the “Book of Life.” I think it at least WAS but maybe it has been blotted out due to my “thoughts” about “Gov-co.” I do not know how to “love” my & your enemies.To hate them is easy & hard to overcome if not impossible, at least for me..And Yes, I am familiar with, “love your enemies.”

         
      • Adask

        April 2, 2013 at 9:32 PM

        It’s fairly easy to love God. The hard part is “love thy neighbor” (I’ve had neighbors over the years who didn’t strike me as particularly lovable). But “Love your enemies” is so hard, so counter-intuitive that it’s almost impossible to achieve. Even the Christ had trouble “loving his enemies”–at least that’s how it looks to me in the story of the Christ taking a whip to the money-changers operating in the temple. I don’t think the Christ whipped those bankers out of love. He was angry. He was enraged.

        I don’t know what to make of this. I’m not trying to “act clever”. I know I’m more inclined to whip the moneychangers–in fact, I’m hoping to see it happen–than I am to “love my enemies”. I may love ’em, alright, but maybe not until after we settle our accounts. When we’re back to even I might be able to love ’em–at least a little. But loving those bastards now is almost impossible for me. And that difficulty might be very hazardous to my spiritual health.

        Nevertheless, I am reminded of the the story of the Christ whipping the money changers.

        And I’m also reminded of Revelation 3:15-16 where the Christ tells the Laodicean church that “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot . . . . because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit your out of my mouth.” I read those verses to mean that because you are not passionate–especially about issues of right or wrong–that they will be rejected by the Christ.

        I don’t think that’s my problem. I am cold or I am hot, but I am seldom lukewarm. I am passionate about issues of right and wrong, somewhat like the Christ must have been passionate about the money-changers at the Temple.

        I find it hard to be both passionate about issues of right and wrong and still love my enemies. I want to see the right done and triumph. Part of that triumph would seem to include seeing the enemies of right punished. I am unable to see how I can be passionate about those who do wrong (thus, hopefully, “my enemies”) and also love the SOBs.

        Is it possible to both love your enemies and remain passionate about right and wrong?

         
    • Jerry Sparks

      April 2, 2013 at 3:17 PM

      mvg-avg

      @ >There are the serpents that monitor this blog?

      I believe this. They say, In God we trust ALL others we monitor. SO WHAT !!! I am making a stand. All they can do now is make my eternity. They have made & left me destitute so I have nothing left to lose & everything to gain. HOWEVER, I do not want to say anything that will put anyone else in jeopardy. I hope I haven’t. Besides, I fail to understand how ANYTHING I say can be dangerous,etc. to anyone else. I & I ONLY should be held accountable for what I say. Right? Now tell me what you know about these 2 evenings. THANKS !!!

       
    • Jerry S

      April 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM

      mvg-avg
      @ > April 2, 2013 at 1:11 PM

      Yes,I know “of” them, but I don’t know for sure WHO they are. BUT I do know for sure who some of the “others” ARE,as, “Public Serpents.”

      Strange,but since a little child I have known of baptism, “as taught” for the remission of sins. The thing I did not know & was never taught was,being baptized WITHOUT repenting FIRST, is a total waste of everything. Preachers have been baptizing people as far back as I can recall, even as a child. BUT, I also believe anyone must reach the “age of accountability” before he/she can repent in order to be baptized for the remission of sins.How does a baby know anything about “repentance?” The baptism of The Messiah is the only exception to this,i.e., “remission of sins.” He was only baptized to “set an example” “to follow.” “John the Baptist” understood this & it is very clear in the scriptures. I only wish there were other scriptures pertaining to “other matters” that were as easy to understand as Baptism and why The Messiah was baptized. By the way,mvg-avg, whatever I say in my comments to you or anyone is my understanding only. I do not mean for anything I say to be taken as something for you or anyone else to think I am trying to show how smart I am & I send what I do for “educational purposes” for you or anyone else. Everything I say is only my opinion & my understanding AND at “the/this time ONLY.”

       
  12. mvg-avg

    April 3, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    Al, you got a file of sorts .I believe the occupiers in the cat house on the pottomac largly had no direction or momentum on their SHIP of “this state” until they read your study on “do you believe in this state”. Now they know what they can truly do in “their state”.

    You are one of the Prophets that the bible speaks of who will enlighten many in these days in The Year of our Lord.

    My hope is that more of “us” will be enlightened than “they”.

     
    • Adask

      April 3, 2013 at 1:48 PM

      I don’t see myself as a “prophet”–but I do see myself as a “watchman on the wall”. Prophet is a little too grand a job for me. Watchman is a nice blue-collar job that suits me fine.

       
      • Jerry Sparks

        April 3, 2013 at 9:17 PM

        You are at least a Prophet showing the profit of injustice.
        @ >Is it possible to both love your enemies and remain passionate about right and wrong?
        There is such a thing as righteous indignation,e.g. whipping the money changers.But, I think I have been inspired of the devil to come up with some of the thoughts I have,e’g., dragging them behind my pick up truck naked over a gravel road,SLOW. Also have leg irons & handcuffs on um. This is one of the “good ones.” i.e. merciful.type. You don’t want to hear of the other type. We can be pushed to the breaking point & I have.I do think I go “temporarily insane” at times.

         
  13. Jerry Sparks

    April 6, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    @ > and also love the SOBs.

    I guess there IS something wrong with me for I laugh EVERY TIME I see this. I’m not very Christ like,am I? Then again, maybe I am. I agree with Huey, DAMN YOU. I think he is referring to the sob’s too. IF people only knew what “The Day of The Lord” really means. See Ezekiel 30:3, Zephaniah,1:14, & Zephaniah,Chapter 2:2; Ezekiel 30:3

     
  14. Jerry Sparks

    April 6, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    Adask
    April 2, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    ALSO, The “Eternal God” did not seem to have a problem with “Moses” killing the Egyptian SLAVE MASTER who was one of the SLAVE MASTERS OPPRESSING the Israelites. The SOB got what he deserved. Look at what the Eternal God did with Moses AFTER that. I BELIEVE The Eternal God looked at what Moses did as righteous indignation other wise He would not have worked with him as he did AFTER He,Moses KILLED THE SOB.

     

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