Intriguing Hypothesis on Islam

04 Sep

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Dr. Bill Warner is a scientist who’s collated considerable new archeological data that wasn’t previously recognized concerning the Islamic faith and culture. Based on that new data, he offers a new hypothesis concerning the fundamental nature and historical impact of Islam.

I don’t know that he’s right.   As with any new hypothesis–especially one dealing with the fundamental nature of a religion–we’re all hesitant and even anxious about accepting radical new ideas as true.  And rightfully so.  Anyone who comes up with a new “big idea” has to expect that idea will be avoided, ignored, ridiculed and even attacked before it is (if ever) accepted.  These attacks can be painful but they’re a good thing in that they “test” the new idea to see how much of it, if any, is true–and how much is false or idiotic.

Still, the fact that Dr. Warner’s radical hypothesis might be mistaken doesn’t prove that his ideas can’t be fundamentally correct.

I’m not suggesting that you or I should automatically believe Dr. Warner.  For example, I don’t agree with his argument that the Christian psyche has been so badly bruised by Islamic jihad over the past centuries that we Christians are innately fearful of Islam.  More, his rage (at either the weakness of Christians or the violence of Muslims) seems so palpable (to me, at least) that his presentation strikes me as a little disturbing.  Even so, on the other hand, I believe that Dr. Warner offers some valuable and intriguing insights into what may be the fundamentally violent history and foundation for the Muslim faith.

Perhaps more than anything else, Dr. Warner hints that the true nature of most conflicts and warsthat have shaped both the Middle East and Europe over the past 1,000 years has been spiritual. For example, where history books teach that “Turks” fought and slaughtered “Armenians” in a “political” struggle, Dr. Warner argues that actually Turkish “Muslims” fought Armenian “Christians” in a spiritual/religious war. The conflict was not about Turks vs. Armenians. It was about Muslims vs. Christians. The same pattern may be seen in much of history where the recorded wars are presented to us as political conflicts between nation-states rather than spiritual conflicts between religions.

Among other things, Dr. Warner argues that the fall of Rome and Europe’s subsequent “Dark Ages” were, in large measure, the result of spiritual war waged by Muslims against Europeans rather than “political” invasions by the Huns.

His hypothesis is intriguing and worth your consideration–even if you disagree.

video   00:44:50


Posted by on September 4, 2013 in Bible, Christendom, Christianity, Muslims, Video


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10 responses to “Intriguing Hypothesis on Islam

  1. Martens

    September 4, 2013 at 3:02 AM

    LOL, what?

    Classical civilization disappeared long before Muhammad was even born, so blaming the collapse of Classical civilization on Islam calls for some fancy mental gymnastics.

    And is it possible that Dr. Warner is being serious when he characterizes the Turkish genocide of over a million Armenians as a crime by Muslims?

    This is, at best, ignorance at its best. But ignorance is hard to account for in regards to facts this basic to the subject matter, so maybe a different explanation is called for.

    The genocide in question was carried out by the Young Turks, who were radical intellectual secularists who came to power on a wave of “modernizing” and “Westernizing” sentiment. Once installed, they implemented a sort of cultural revolution against the Islamic character of Turkish society. They replaced the Arabic alphabet with the Latin one, introduced the Gregorian calendar, compelled citizens to dress in Western clothes, etc.

    The victims of the Armenian genocide were Christians alright, but the perpetrators were not acting on behalf of Islam.

    Who is Dr. Warner acting on behalf of?

    Thanks for another thought-provoking post, Prof. Adask.

    • Tony

      September 4, 2013 at 8:42 AM


      You wrote:
      And is it possible that Dr. Warner is being serious when he characterizes the Turkish genocide of over a million Armenians as a crime by Muslims?

      This is, at best, ignorance at its best. But ignorance is hard to account for in regards to facts this basic to the subject matter, so maybe a different explanation is called for.

      The genocide in question was carried out by the Young Turks, who were radical intellectual secularists

      Ignorance at its best? You at least equaled it by your ignorance in failing to mention Jewish involvement in the Armenian genocide. Care to explain your omission?

      This from a quickie search:
      Jews Plotted the Armenian Holocaust

      Pot calling kettle…


  2. Anthony Clifton

    September 4, 2013 at 3:35 AM

    hypothetically one could ignore the elephant in the middle of the room, and maybe it will go
    Jesus said that “Ethnic Group” will struggle with “Ethnic Group”…
    when the re-segregation order is announced, economic justice will soon follow
    as if the first commandment is not in effect

    consider this FACT :

    reported by Joel C. Rosenberg in 18 Aug 2001

    A group of American business and political leaders are building a pro-Israel media “war room” in Washington, D.C. The group will be called “Emet”—which in Hebrew means “truth.” Emet will try to address biased media coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and also make the case that the conflict, while serious and important, pales in comparison to the larger geo-strategic threat posed to the United States and the West by Iran and Iraq, both of whom are trying to build and/or acquire weapons of mass destruction. Funding Emet is Leonard Abramson; he sold U.S. Healthcare to Aetna in the mid-1990s for $8.9 billion. Abramson has recruited a powerful board of directors, including Bernie Marcus, founder of Home Depot; Les Wexner, founder of The Limited; Edgar Bronfman Sr., who once owned Seagram’s; and Lou Ranieri, a major Wall Street player who now co-owns one of Israel’s largest banks. Also joining the board are Jeane Kirkpatrick, former U.S. Ambassador to the UN, and Jack Kemp

    obviously “Billionaire Elephants” wearing their red tennis shoes can hide in strawberry patches…

  3. Michael

    September 4, 2013 at 3:57 AM

    The hypothesis he is saying is not newly founded, but has been known by others quite well indeed.
    personally I hate hacks who try to claim something new that is already been known.

    It fits the quote that there is nothing new under the sun that will not already been known or revealed, and yes that’s out of the bible. Today the vast knowledge of mankind is on the internet, only people have very little time to devote and search though all the crap written to find the truth that is there, but covered over by twisting, and the lying, and the imagination that man puts upon the truth.

    If all of man was truly intelligent there would be no wars, and only peace in the world and cooperation. Sadly less than 1% of the entire population maybe considered intelligent enough to cooperate fully, the rest are acting like the beast of field, eat or be eaten. Now you know how the Elites think the same way of the majority of the world population and removal of this useless multitude that are selfish to themselves. The good are suffering at the hands of all others, who say, but do little to right the wrongs that so many turn a blind eye to, and give hoping the problem will solve itself and most of the time its out of sight, out of mind mentality.

    But alas this vast multitude of sheep that inhabit the nations are blind of their own destruction that they have helped to create.

    Religion is in everything no matter what and politics is also in everything, even atheism turns out to be a religion of belief not to believe in a god or creator or an intelligence then their god or intelligence is nature or Darwinism. What ever the belief its a religion of belief. Your all in a religion of your own understanding.

    Satanism is a Religion also and each worship his or her idols of belief.

    If you cant work out which is the right ideology then keep bleating, and keep dying, for if you cant learn to save yourself, then how can save others.


    • Adask

      September 4, 2013 at 6:17 AM

      Have you saved your self, Michael? Are you sufficiently intelligent to save your self? If so, do you comment on this blog to help save the rest of us, or do you merely comment to remind us how hopeless we all are compared to you?

      If the “sheep” don’t understand, is that because the “sheep” are simply too dumb to understand? Or is it because those who think themselves “intelligent” are actually too dumb to communicate their (alleged) understanding? See my point? If a man were truly intelligent, he’d find a way to communicate ideas to even those who were pretty dumb.

      I’m really curious to know if you’ve ever had anything positive to say, or have you always known that all of life–every bit of it–is hopeless, futile and grim? I’m a long ways from being a “wide-eyed optimist,” but I don’t understand how a man can survive with an attitude as negative as the one you project.

      If you’re really as pessimistic as your comments suggest, why do you bother to write? Don’t you understand that we’re all a bunch of drooling dolts who could never hope to understand your profound insights? The fact that you do write suggests that, despite the implications of your own comments, you don’t believe all is futile. Could it be that, despite your rampant pessimism, even you still cling to some measure of hope?

    • pop de adam

      September 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM

      The opposite of faith is not doubt, the opposite of of faith is certainty.

      I can’t remember who this qoute is attributed to, but I found it humbling to the hubris of those disposed to dispensing preachy platitudes. You can’t save yourself, you can only avoid the trapfalls yourself, you can save others from such though. To say “I saved myself” is of no credit to anyone but yourself, to say “I saved them” possibly is. Through inaction “I saved myself”, through inaction “I condemned all of them”. This might be the motivator for countless “busybodies”, though inaction itself is absence and is not of guilt, evidence or fact.

    • 01slinky07

      September 6, 2015 at 6:23 AM

      Summed up superbly..

  4. johannabernays

    September 4, 2013 at 9:47 AM

    Gosh, Adask. Remember that you are still best known as the ANTI-SHYSTER, and Michael is Classical Shysterite, (A Cross between Troskyite and Stalinite.) Here is here to “Torment thee before thine time!” My goodness…the lunatic of the Gadraenes, those Legion of Demons, re-corporated to torment the three of four True Bible Readers & Believers in said work, with only the 1611 King James Authorised Version, as is found in my Thompson Chain Reference 3rd. Ed. printed & copyrighted 1934, accepted as “The Annoited True Word of God in English.” of whom “Really Fanatic True Belivers” I AM the CHIEF. Proud to be a FANATIC. PROUD to encounter HATRED DAILY because of my Stubborn & Hateful belief in a God who is Hateful. A Woman Hating God. a Murderous God. Oh yes, but Yahweh STOPPED Human Sacrifices…Used TORAH & Moses-Joshua-Aaron and Elijah-Elisha Prophets to Denounce those “Pagans” who practised “Cannibelistic Human Child Scrafices” To what ever Gods…LIKE “JEWS WERE THE REASON WE NO LONGER KILL OUR CHILDREN FOR CHRISTMASS!” Where is the Outcry? I see the Corporate Fanatic Anti Semites in Every Post, but I have read & infer More…THE JEW HATE is “Simply Because the Jews Refuse To Die, and Jews Remain Really SMart, much Smarter than Jew Haters, and Probably GOD DID CHOOSE THEM, and according to GOD, “I Am The Lord; I Change Not. Therefore ye Sons of Jacob are not consumed!” Mal 3:6….So “Ye Fight Against GOD, shall ye Prevail?”

  5. Peg-Powers

    September 4, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    “Father forgive him, he knows not what he is saying….or meaning…..or promoting.”


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