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Standing Firm

23 Mar

Peter's Martyrdom [courtesy Google Images]

Peter’s Martyrdom
[courtesy Google Images]

Two verses in the King James Version of Bible quote the Messiah and always resonate with me:

1)      Matthew 24:13—“But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved,”  and,

2)       Mark 13:13—“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”

A more contemporary translation of the central point of each verse is: “he who stands firm to the end shall be saved”.

In other words, he who “stands firm” in his faith in the Messiah until the “end” of his earthly life shall be saved.

The verses strike me as important because, if they are accurately translated, if they are true, and if they apply to all, then those who believe they’ve been “saved” at the age of 14, or 35 or 68, etc. may be mistaken—and that mistake might imperil their salvation.

Note that the verses declare that “those who stand firm to the end shall be saved.”

Again, if that’s a accurate translation of what the Messiah actually said, then (by virtue of the use of the word “shall”), it appears that we do not become “saved” in this life, but become eligible for salvation only after we perish—and more, only if we are still strong in our faith at the time of our death.

If so, then those who believe they’ve been “saved” at some time during their life but before they actually perish may be deceiving themselves with a comforting vanity since  Matthew 24:13 and Mark 13:13 seem to say that salvation doesn’t attach until after we perish.

•  We can see some evidence of this notion in the conduct of the Apostles after the Messiah was crucified.  If anyone could claim to have been saved during his life and before he died, it should’ve been the Apostles.  After all, which of us could be as close to the Messiah as his Apostles?  If those guys weren’t “saved,” who is?

Reclaiming the Mind Ministries published an article entitled, “The Death of the Twelve Apostles” which admitted that details of the deaths of all twelve Apostles were sometimes sketchy.   Nevertheless, that article asserts that,

“ . . . . it is very feasible to believe that all but one of the Apostles suffered and died a martyr’s death, even if we can’t sure of the exact details.

“Amidst some uncertainty, one thing is clear—the reason given for their death was the same in all accounts.  They were killed because they proclaimed to have seen Christ die and then to have seen Him alive.  They all died because of an unwavering, unrelenting claim that Christ rose from the grave. . . .”

I’m not writing to recommend or criticize the Reclaiming the Mind Ministries.  I’m not writing to present the quoted text as God’s truth.  I’m only saying that that text seems to be a commonly accepted view of the Apostles’ deaths.

Assuming that view is accurate, it appears that the Apostles all stood firm in their faith until the ends of their lives.  We aren’t told if the Apostles believed that they’d received salvation before or after their deaths,  However, it’s reasonable to suppose that if the Apostles had believed they were saved long before they actually died, they might’ve lightened up on the evangelism, kept their mouths shut, and avoided being martyred.

I mean, if they were convinced that they’d already been guaranteed salvation, why keep making a fuss that would only cause them to be prematurely and painfully killed?

Peter, for example, had denied the Messiah three times prior to the Crucifixion, but was himself later murdered for refusing to deny the Messiah a fourth time.  If Peter really believed he was already saved, where’d be the harm in Peter denying the Messiah a fourth time and thereby escaping his own murder?

“Doubting Thomas” refused to believe in the Messiah’s resurrection “Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe” (John 20:25).  After this, the Messiah did appear to Thomas and Thomas was so convinced of the Messiah resurrection that he believed unto death.  According to one report, “Thomas sealed his testimony as he was thrust through with pine spears, tormented with red-hot plates, and burned alive”.  That’s a tough way to go.  If Thomas was sure he’d already been saved, why didn’t he (falsely) recant his faith and avoid a premature death or at least avoid the torture?

The other Apostles were reportedly crucified, beheaded, stabbed, flayed, beaten to death, stoned, and tortured.  John was reportedly thrown into boiling oil and disfigured although he was not necessarily killed by that assault.

Judging from the Apostles’ conduct, if they really believed they’d already been “saved,” some of them, at least, might’ve compromised in their claims of faith to avoid martyrdom.

But none of the reports suggest that any of the Apostles compromised their faith.  They “stood firm” to the “end” even though that “end” was brutal and torturous.

This conduct implies that the Apostles, themselves, did not believe they were “saved” before they died and perhaps didn’t believe that they even could be “saved” until after they’d died.

This implication is not proof.

Nevertheless, if the Apostles who actually saw, touched and served the Messiah were not “saved” until after their faith had been tested by painful deaths, what’s the probability that you or I can be “saved” right now—while our lives may still be comfortable—and before we die?

I see people walk around in church with a beatific smile on their face, confident that they’ve been saved ever since they first gave their lives to Jesus, even if that conversion took place twenty, thirty, forty years ago.  I hope they’re right. I hope they are saved.  But if they are, Matthew 24:13 and Mark 13:13 are mistakes or lies or don’t apply.

•  I can hypothesize one way that Matthew 24:13 and Mark 13:13 might both be true and yet not apply to us today:

The Messiah made the statement (“He who stands firm to the end shall be saved.”) during his earthly life and before he was crucified and resurrected.  Therefore, it’s conceivable that Matthew 24:13 and Mark 13:13 might present a “formula” for those who lived before the crucifixion and resurrection to achieve salvation if they firmly believed in the Messiah (without yet knowing about a resurrection) until they died—and their deaths took place before the crucifixion/resurrection.  That would be an Old Testament formula for salvation through the, as-yet-unresurrected Messiah.

However, once the Messiah was actually crucified and resurrected, that Old Testament requirement that you “stand firm to the end” in order to be saved after you died would no longer apply.  After the Messiah’s Resurrection, our sins would all be paid for and we would all be automatically saved once we confessed our faith in the Messiah.

But does that hypothesis sound plausible?  Are we to believe that Matthew 24:13 and Mark 13:13 only applied before the Messiah was resurrected—but don’t apply today?

I don’t believe that’s true.

Therefore, it appears to me that either:

1) Matthew 24:13 and Mark 13:13 are false and, arguably, lies; or

2) Those living men and woman who are currently convinced that they’ve already been saved are deceived and/or deluding themselves.

If Matthew 24:13 and Mark 13:13 are true and apply to all of us today, then none of us can be “saved” until we have first “stood firm [in the faith] to the end [death]”.  Only then, after our deaths, can we receive salvation.

If so, those who smile so beatifically in church in the firm belief that they’ve already been saved may actually be in great peril. First, they may be in peril because they’ve embraced the lie that they even could be saved before they died.  Second, they may be in peril because, believing themselves already “saved” they may see no compelling reason to “stand firm” in the faith unto death.  After all, if they’re already saved, why go through all those trials and tribulations?  Why not keep a low profile, compromise their faith, say whatever the government or 501(c)3 churches would have them say, and rest smugly on their laurels (having already been saved)?

•  Again, I hope that those of you who believe yourselves to already be saved are right.  I hope you are saved.

I also hope that I am saved.

But I don’t feel as if I’m already saved.  I hate to admit that truth to people who claim to have already been saved because I expect them to nod knowingly that they are saved and I am not.  Therefore, I might be deemed an agent of Satan rather than a servant of God.  But, regardless of how people interpret my admission, that admission is the truth relative to my feelings.  Maybe my “feelings” are accurate; maybe they’re mistaken.

However, while I doubt that I am already saved, I have no doubt that I am “called”.  I feel as one who’s been offered the opportunity for salvation seen in Matthew 24:13 and Mark 13:13:  If I can manage to “stand firm” in my faith (not works) until my own demise, then (later) I shall be saved.

I absolutely believe that to be true.  More, I have believed those two verses to be true for at least—what?—twenty years?  This belief isn’t new to me.

But that belief begins to trouble me because I’ll be 69 years old next month and I don’t have the strength and self-confidence that I had ten or twenty years ago.

As a younger man, it was easy for me to pledge that I would surely stand firm in the faith to the end.  I was very strong and convinced that I could endure anything “to the end” without surrendering my faith.

But as a “senior citizen,” I recognize that I no longer have the personal physical or intellectual strength that I’d depended on in the past to ensure that I could “stand firm to the end”.

I don’t mean to say that I’ve become a weakling, but I can extrapolate my strength from when I was 50 to today, and on to when I might be 80 or 90 years old.  It’s undeniable that I’m losing my former strength, and I can expect to grow weaker and even feeble over time.

So, I’m learning something.  It’s easy to say and believe that “I’ll stand firm to the end” when you’re young and strong.  But I begin to see the real test may not come when you’re young and strong.  Instead, the real test may come at the “end” when you are likely to be weak, discouraged and perhaps even fearful.

Can you (or I) “stand firm to end” of our lives, if that end is marked by physical frailty, mental disability, the loss of our friends, family and people we’ve loved?  Can you (or I) “stand firm” in a nursing home, in a single rented room, or even as a homeless man on the streets?  When you have nothing left in this life to love, live or hope for—can you still stand firm in your faith?

I begin to understand that “standing firm to the end” is not about being a young hero eager to challenge and withstand every adversary.  It’s about being old, small, weak and even helpless.

I begin to see that “standing firm” in your faith “to the end” may be, ultimately, a test to see if you can hang onto your faith when everything else—even the hope of living to see just one more day—is absolutely gone.

If you can “stand firm” in your faith–even in midst of profound weakness and complete isolation–then you “shall be saved”.

•  I’m reminded of the Messiah who, after being badly beaten and whipped, and in the midst of being crucified, cried out, “Father, father, why have You forsaken me?”  Weakened, bleeding and within minutes of death, the Messiah thought he’d been “forsaken” by our Father YHWH ha Elohiym.

I believe that the Messiah always had the power to step off that cross if he’d chosen to do so.  And even if that belief were false, I also believe that Satan was present at the crucifixion and waiting for the Messiah to choose to appeal to Satan to be released from the cross.  In either case, I believe the Messiah could’ve chosen to be freed from the cross.

It was the Messiah’s choice to stay on the cross that made his death a sacrifice rather than a murder.  I see that choice as being finalized when the Messiah was as weak as a man near death can.  I see that choice as evidence that despite losing everything and seemingly having been even forsaken by God, the Messiah nevertheless “stood firm to the end” and, later (three days after he had died), was resurrected and saved.

This implies that even the Messiah may not have been truly “saved” until after he had “stood firm to the end”.

I.e., if we presume that the Messiah was “saved” all along and throughout his earthly life, then we might presume that he had no choice in his death.  If his death was preordained and assured from the beginning, then his death was not a personal sacrifice based on the Messiah’s choice, but was, instead a murder.

If the Messiah’s death was murder rather than a choice to make self-sacrifice, those guilty of the murder might be punished or even damned–but why should anyone else be saved if there was no sacrifice?  If we believed that our salvation was based on the Messiah’s murder (rather than his choice to sacrifice his life) then, today, we should worship the people who murdered the Messiah, rather than the Messiah,himself.  We would’ve been saved by the murderers’ violence rather than the Messiah’s choice.

If the Messiah’s death was a murder rather than an intentional act of self-sacrifice, we should reasonably worship Pontius Pilate or even the Jews for having murdered the Messiah and thereby saved us all.  But we don’t worship Pilate or the Jews.  We worship the Messiah.  Why?  Because he intentionally chose to sacrifice his life on our behalf, and he “stood firm” in that choice until he actually died.

The Messiahs’ choice to sacrifice his own life could not have been completed until he had actually died.  His actual death made it impossible for him to “choose” again and thereby not sacrifice his life.  So long as he had even a nano-second of remaining life, he could’ve chosen to step off the cross and live rather than die. But, thank God, the Messiah chose to sacrifice his life on our behalf.  The Messiah chose to “stand firm” in his faith (obedience to God) “to the end”.  That “end” was the Messiah’s death.  Therefore, we worship the Messiah rather than Pontius Pilate.

If the Messiah’s choice to sacrifice for all of us could not be “validated” until he “stood firm to the [very] end” in his own earthly life, that would seemingly cast doubt on the validity of the modern belief that any living man has already been absolutely “saved” before he has first “stood firm to the end”—and then actually died.

The apparent logic of this analysis indicates that each man’s salvation is conditioned on his “standing firm to the end”.  More, that salvation will not attach until after each man’s “end”.

The belief that any of us are already saved seems to contradict Matthew 24:13 and Mark 13:13 and might therefore be hazardous to our spiritual health.

 
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256 responses to “Standing Firm

  1. Amy

    March 23, 2014 at 3:46 AM

    One of your best, IMO.
    Praise YHWH.

     
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 5:24 AM

      Amy,
      YES YES YES. Thank you Amy. Alfred is our Brother. A Brother with a heart of SOLID GOLD. Maybe this is not saying it right. I think saying, Alfred Adask, A MAN after The “Good LORD’S own HEART is better. Wish we had more Amys. Where IS everybody ???

       
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 8:27 PM

      Amy
      March 23, 2014 at 4:11 PM
      @ >My understanding from my studies……….

      Shalom, Amy. How many times have we been in church & heard the pastor finish the prayer, by saying, in the name of Jesus? Imagine this. Now here are all these people hearing all these years the preacher saying, in the name of Jesus, & THEN, all of a sudden & out of nowhere the preacher says, Father we ask all these things in the name of, E oooozzz zus. Think the people might be a little bit surprised? I think so. Amy, I appreciate you saying, “from my understanding.” Same here on my end. Everything I say is from “my understanding too.” You are another “jewel” Amy. Remember that song, when “God” comes to gather his jewels?? I like that song.

       
      • J.M.

        March 23, 2014 at 8:37 PM

        Sorry, E ooooozz zoos

         
    • J.M.

      March 26, 2014 at 3:23 AM

      Amy, for your pleasure, Isaiah 60, verses 14, 15,16, and, Isaiah 49.

       
    • J.M.

      March 26, 2014 at 11:58 AM

      Amy,
      @ > Agreed and well-put, Doug.

      Yes indeed. Apparently, Thorn’s superior EDUCATION is insufficient to understand what Doug said. How can ANY man explain what the heavens cannot contain. But, we have evidence ALL around us OF A VASTLY SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE. EDUCATED DERELICTS ARE WELL EDUCATED BU BLIND BLIND BLIND, aka BLIND GUIDES TOO !!! Thanks for your prayers Amy Thanks so much. I’m ready for bear. Gotta go to work now.

       
  2. J.M.

    March 23, 2014 at 3:58 AM

    DEAR Alfred,
    I have not read ALL of your comment YET but I understand EXACTLY the SAME way as you, at least so far in what I have read. Consider the following;

    Phillippians 4:8
    Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

    However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me–the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace.

    2 Timothy 4:7-8

    Amplified Bible (AMP)

    7 I have fought the good (worthy, honorable, and noble) fight, I have finished the race, I have kept (firmly held) the faith.

    8 [As to what remains] henceforth there is laid up for me the [victor’s] crown of righteousness [for being right with God and doing right], which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me and recompense me on that [great] day—and not to me only, but also to all those who have loved and yearned for and welcomed & will welcome His appearing (His return).

    I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, and I have remained faithful.

    For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith; 8. in the future there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day; and not only to me, but also to all who yearn His appearing.

     
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 4:31 AM

      yearn FOR His appearing.

      In my haste, I omitted the word “for”. Also the Bible says that Abraham died without receiving the promise, he was given. BUT he WILL receive it. I have TRIED SO HARD to SAY, He that ENDURES until the END, in prior messages, meaning, enduring until the END of his / her life. PLEASE don’t discard the “writings” of The Apostle Paul altogether. Put those that are, or seemingly contradictory, etc., on the back burner or on the shelf, & do not discard the completely, & I can PROMISE you, or ANYONE who is called to understand, & AS we YIELD to OBEY “The Good LORD” those scriptures WILL make sense, LATER. It will be like seeing the picture within the picture. I say this based on my experiences. It disgusted me once upon a time to read the “writings of Paul.” THANK GOD, he, “God” did not become disgusted with me. It’s a matter of being “called” to understand & TRYING to obey, & although we may never, in this life understand EVERYTHING, We WILL understand what is really NECESSARY & IF we ENDURE until the end, we can say, I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, and I have remained faithful & there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day; and not only to me, but also to all who yearn FOR His appearing.
      me means, you too.I may not endure. It’s those like moon aka echo ears, Toland,& their ILK that get to me. BUT it IS spiritual warfare. YES INDEED !!!

      Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

       
  3. J.M.

    March 23, 2014 at 5:17 AM

    DEAR Alfred,
    Re Your message.
    SPOT ON SPOT ON SPOT ON EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY . How is it some of us UNDERSTAND “some” things EXACTLY ALIKE !!!!! ????. Don’t we have have a WONDERFUL Father & elder Brother??? Guess what?. How about if they enjoyed being TYRANTS?? They could have been IF they wanted to be..I am so glad they ARE like they ARE. Some people mistake tenderness, compassion, etc. as signs of weaknesses.

     
    • J.M.

      March 25, 2014 at 10:25 PM

      Dear Alfred,
      I became excited reading your message when it first came up & I thought something was about to happen with my computer, hence the reason for me posting as I did in my first response about your message.I only wanted to get in, IF possible that which I did get in. Your message was just something SO different to read from what “some” others were browbeating me with & I only wanted to let you know how grateful I was to SEE something SO different for a change, compared to those other exchanges with the “browbeaters” especially, Mister moon, & EDOMS THORN. Also, please note ALL the others WHO DID NOT comment about your message. This should tell you a lot about where their heart truly is. Look at how “they” comment to Amy & me. I know I don’t need to tell you this, but then again, you cannot read every comment. In all honesty, IF you KNEW how moon responded on other threads, & how he belittles & mawks The Elohim, & how he calls EVERYTHING said about the Elohim, echos & demons at work, there is not anyway you would allow IT to keep on doing this that I can see, or know of. If my saying what I KNOW to be true gets me banned, so be it. If so, then I wish you the best of everything while I can & Shalom.

       
      • moon

        March 26, 2014 at 1:06 AM

        Brilliantly worded, big boy. No one will suspect that you’re my loyal servant. Endure…we’ll be together soon.

         
  4. Doug

    March 23, 2014 at 6:50 AM

    Your article surely hit home with me, Al. I departed the system about 25 years ago in an attempt to stand against the wiles of the U.S. government. Today, at 63 I’m still standing but nowhere near as firmly as in my younger days. Sometimes I consider re-entering the system as a security measure but each and every time I reflect upon the biblical reasons for why I rejected it, and conclude this life to be a mere vapor and soldier on praying still for God’s protections that I’ve enjoyed for so long.

    Like you, I’m hopeful to remain true and endure until the end despite my human frailties.

     
    • Henry

      March 23, 2014 at 10:35 AM

      Doug,

      Departed the system? How. Please send general details to this email account.

       
      • J.M.

        March 25, 2014 at 3:24 AM

        @Henry
        @March 23, 2014 at 10:35 AM
        @Doug,
        @Departed the system? How. Please send general details to this email account.

        How about telling “us” your opinion of the Message from Alfred Adask. That message that begins at the very top of this thread. I know I can scroll up & find it. Maybe you cannot. I don’t know. I like to know what “others” think & have to say. WHY? It’s part of my learning experience.OR, maybe I’m just nosy. STILL, I can possibly learn SOMETHING. Know what I mean?

         
      • Doug

        March 25, 2014 at 5:35 AM

        No e-mail account ?

        I noticed every agency of govt concerned by return receipt requested mail (and I do mean all STATE and FEDERAL [they’re all FEDERAL/COMMERCIAL] ) including both houses of CONgress, published notices in qualified publication, created Trusts to operate in my absence, rejected all statutory legal fictions, formally expatriated from the FEDERAL GOVT, recorded a common law copyright of the all caps name that included its expiration with the county clerk’s office and the SECRETARY OF STATE and have no personal dealings with any corporate fiction.

        In the end I had determined that I would make every effort to peaceably remove from the Babylonian system that perpetuates international genocide and carries with it the MARK of the beast (or its precursor). Either way, it seemed to me that if one couldn’t freely dissolve a commercial relationship in “free America” then attempting to do so under a complete tyranny would be even more problematic.

        I did this 25 or more years ago because the Bible makes it clear you can’t serve two masters for you will love the one and hate the other …

        This is not a move for the faint of heart.

         
      • Doug

        March 25, 2014 at 5:47 AM

        Henry:

        Having read other comments below I decided to add something that I should have placed in the former response. FAITH is a verb as well as a noun. Most people think faith is simply a matter of “believing” (like I believe that Jesus was the Son of God and that he died to redeem us sinners and was resurrected to sit at the right hand of God) … to me that’s the milk. Faith, as a verb, means believing and acting upon that belief. My thinking is that we only have our Trust to give back to God because all else is His already. So, do we trust man (or man’s system like socialist security) or do we truly trust God for our well being.

        I’d venture to say that anyone financing international genocide through FEDERAL TAXES and SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES has made a choice to trust man.

         
    • Lawernce Kenemore Jr

      March 23, 2014 at 12:09 PM

      Well as I see you talk about gods and not my God so I am assuming you worship some other god…and there are many…and yes applying reasoning to faith shame on you…maybe you want o be a god but my God said there will be no other gods.

       
      • J.M.

        March 23, 2014 at 8:43 PM

        Lawernce Kenemore Jr,you say, in pertinent part;
        @ > Well as I see you talk about gods and not my God

        WHO is YOU?? WHO are you, Lawernce Kenemore Jr sending your message to????

         
      • Tony

        March 24, 2014 at 9:25 AM

        Lawrence,

        Do you honestly think the substance of faith lies in the category of being outside of reason? As an example, the Bible declares that creation is sufficient evidence for one to respond with faith. Do you believe the process of beholding creation and concluding from that evidence that there must be a Creator is a process devoid of reason?

        Faith and reason are fully compatible with each other.

        One other thing. God never invites a man to experience shame. Feelings like guilt and shame come from sin (something God hates) and not God.

        Another thing. You talk about more than one God from the perspective of differences in belief as to who He is. That’s a slippery slope. I mean…how many people perceive God identically?

        I won’t get into saying we serve different Gods, but I will say that according to what you have written, your perception of who He is and mine are quite different.

        Tony

         
      • Lawernce Kenemore Jr

        March 24, 2014 at 11:07 AM

        As you have written your god and my God are not the same…just as the Pharisees and Saducees tried to make their own god is the same today…however, if you think you can reason with God boy are you off base…God is God and man is man…we can never question why and how God does things just know it is for our good…that is where faith comes from …

         
      • J.M.

        March 24, 2014 at 11:47 PM

        Lawernce Kenemore Jr
        March 23, 2014 at 12:09 PM

        What did you think of the “message” from Alfred Adask?? Maybe you have commented about it & I somehow missed it. If so, I apologize, if You have not commented, please do.

         
  5. citizenquasar

    March 23, 2014 at 7:03 AM

    Myself being a non-superstitious non-faiithist, I don’t have anything good to say about this post. One of the things that really chaffs me about Christians is that they tell me their god will eternally torture me after I die for not believing in the existence of gods because there is not one shred of evidence for such belief and then they have the audacity to say their god is “all loving.” What a load of crap.

    [I know, I know, Al. You will delete my comment as blasphemy. SHAME on me for applying reason to your superstition!! How DARE I come here and post a comment like this!!!]

     
    • Amy

      March 23, 2014 at 8:10 AM

      I don’t believe in an eternal “hell” of torture. I don’t find that to be scripturally accurate. Please don’t accept doctrines of men and “churches” or even “Christianity” as truth about Yahweh (God) but seek out and study Scripture for yourself. If you seek with a genuine humility after His truth, He will show you Himself!

       
      • Lawernce Kenemore Jr

        March 23, 2014 at 12:12 PM

        If you do not believe in eternal hell I guess you are doing what most preachers do and that is Scripture stripping….Scripture says to study and that word in Greek is work very hard….it does not say seek….study

         
      • J.M.

        March 23, 2014 at 8:47 PM

        Amy
        23, 2014 at 8:10 AM

        @ > If you seek with a genuine humility after His truth, He will show you Himself!

        That’s RIGHT. It just takes a little time, which is probably asking too much of some people especially the “humble” part.

         
      • J.M.

        March 24, 2014 at 5:09 AM

        Amy,
        @ > I don’t believe in an eternal “hell” of torture.

        I’m with you dear one. Satan has his agents everywhere, & this IS something we will have to contend with until we die. You can tell I’m sure, that Bad Boy Larry is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He is the type that MAKE some people commit suicide. The people that are already overloaded with heavy burdens & then they are browbeaten to the depths of despair that they have eternal hell to look forward too in addition to their heavy burdens. It’s one of those straws that broke the camels back deals.

         
      • Dejure

        March 28, 2014 at 2:36 PM

        Isn’t if funny how so many claiming theirs is a just and loving god/God then go on to talk about one who would inflict eternal torture for what is best called a minor offense?

        A bit of investigation into “hell” shows it to be from Sheol, the common grave. Think upon it – it is said Jesus was the [second, since the first blew it] perfect man, but was killed and sent to the hell promoted by many religions. If you go back to the origin of hell, then it makes more sense when it is said Jesus was in hell three days.

        In that vein, there is also the matter of the “eternal lake of fire.” Look into Ghenna. There was a “lake of fire” outside the city where refuse was thrown. That included those not seen as worthy of respect and the usual burial.

         
    • moon

      March 23, 2014 at 1:32 PM

      citizenquasar, as far as I have read on this blog, I’ve never found a deletion for a comment, thought, opinion, expression of a belief, or even disagreement with another’s comment, thought, opinion, or expression of a belief.

      However, I have seen one apparently “barred” for “insistent stupidity” to the point of boredom.

      My guess is that your comment won’t be deleted. Thank you for your comment.

       
      • Adask

        March 23, 2014 at 3:10 PM

        Guess again, Mr. Moon.

        I get the occassional comment from someone who implies that his comment is so brilliant and earth-shattering that I will naturally delete it rather than face it on my own blog. The gist of such comments is often second-rate and uninspired. Sometimes they’re pretty good.

        Nevertheless, if I see a comment predicting that I will delete it, I probably will delete it because the comment insults me. If anyone thinks they’ve got a comment that’s so brilliant I will be intimidated and destroyed by that comment, they belittle me; they insult me. I won’t delete their comment because it’s brilliant but I will delete it because it’s demeaning and insulting. I can’t see any reason why I should be expected to put considerable effort into this blog, make the contents available for free to anyone who wants to read, and then be repaid with insults.

        If people want to insult me, they are free do so anywhere on the face of this earth–except for this one, itty-bitty blog.

         
      • J.M.

        March 23, 2014 at 7:47 PM

        moon
        March 23, 2014 at 5:01 PM
        @ >Al, it’s moon, no upper case m and no Mr. Would you still like for me to “guess again”?

        Echo Ears, A man’s home is his castle. it’s not nice to be in a man’s home & advise the man on how he IS to address you. naughty naughty naughty of you to do this. If you don’t like the way Alfred addressed you, echo ears, why don’t you just, HAUL ASS

         
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 1:57 PM

      citizenquasar, Hi,

      Alfred likes honesty citizenquasar. You are only saying what you believe Have you ever heard of “mercy killing?” It IS not an easy thing to do. Have you ever heard of the song, ol Shep? The “God” I am aware of says he gets no pleasure out of the “death” of the wicked. citizenquasar, I cannot see where you are a wicked man.I understand WHY you say what you do. I WAS the SAME way once upon a time. Nobody can change your beliefs, with ONE exception. Think of the presumptions you made in your comment. You just might be in error about ONE more too. BUT, I am in error about some things, too. It’s simple, I am not perfect. IF I was perfect I would not be in error about anything. There is a Teo,commenter, that, seems to me, Teo is saying, Teo is perfect

       
    • Adask

      March 23, 2014 at 3:41 PM

      As I explained in another comment below, I typically delete any comment (like yours) that predicts that I will delete it.

      Your prediction that I’ll delete your comment belittles me. You treat like a spoiled, frightened child who is terrified by the insightful brilliance of your comment.

      In fact, you haven’t written anything meaningful or insightful. All you’ve said is that you don’t believe in God. So what? Do you think your the first man on earth who ever disputed God’s existence. Do you suppose that your comment carries such weight that my faith has been destroyed by your intellect?

      You’re fooling yourself. I don’t give a damn if you don’t believe in God. I think you’re a fool. For your sake, I regret your choice. But if think my own faith is rattled by the fact that you have none, you be dumb.

      But when you write “I know, I know, Al. You will delete my comment as blasphemy,” etc.you don’t know a thing. You surely don’t know me. You surely don’t know my motives. And I’m not even sure that you understand blasphemy all that much.

      I understand that your statement can be construed as blasphemy–but it’s really not a powerful and obviously intentional and vulgar instance of blasphemy. If it were, I would delete it. But all see is a statement by someone who currently denies God’s existence. Well, the fact that you deny God’s existence today is not proof that you will always deny God’s existence. None of us knew of God’s existence when we were born. All of us learned to believe in God. Who knows?–perhaps you’ll be inspired to believe in God at some later date. So, I don’t see your fundamental comment (that you don’t believe in God) to be insightful or even troubling.

      What bugs me is your prediction that I will delete your comment because it expressed an opinion concerning God that I find disagreeable. Do you have any idea how many people find my own comments on God, the Messiah and the Christian faith to be disagreeable? I’ve been expressing opinions on religion that some people find “disagreeable” for at least twenty years. I doubt that you are capable of expressing and supporting a genuinely disagreeable argument on the existence of God. But, in any case, I am unlikely to delete the comment of someone who expresses their honest opinion about God in a way that’s not obviously insulting to God.

      However, as I explained below, I am very much inclined to delete comments that insult my own integrity and/or honesty.

      I’m going to leave your comment on this blog simply to illustrate my “policy” concerning predictions that I’ll delete someone’s comment. If anyone wants to include a prediction in some future comment that I will delete that comment, I will grant them their wish and delete it. Not because it’s brilliant and not even because its stupid–but because it’s childishly insulting.

      Who do you think you are, CitizenQuasar? The “god” of this blog? Do you suppose your insights are so profound that none of us (especially me) can withstand your brilliance? Do you suppose that predicting that I will delete one of your “brilliant” comments, that prediction will somehow compel me to no delete your comment?

      If so, you’re wrong.

      In any case, if you or anyone else wants to predict that I’ll delete one or more of their futre comments, and if I see that comment (I don’t/can’t read all of the comments) I can pretty much guarantee that such comments will be deleted, but not because they’re brilliant or contrary to my own opinions–only because they insult my intelligence, honesty and/or integrity.

       
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 23, 2014 at 3:59 PM

        For an article I was researching, I did something that I had neglected to do for many years, thinking I KNEW, I looked up the word “blasphemy” and researched a bit and found that blasphemy is used in two ways. It can be applied to GOD, or PEOPLE!

        . (From Hard Copy 1980) S.C 988 Greek “blasphēmia” BLASPHEMY;
        1) slander, detraction, speech injurious, to another’s good name
        2) impious and reproachful speech injurious to divine majesty

         
      • moon

        March 23, 2014 at 5:01 PM

        Al, it’s moon, no upper case m and no Mr. Would you still like for me to “guess again”?

         
      • citizenquasar

        March 24, 2014 at 6:36 AM

        “Who do you think you are, CitizenQuasar?”
        Just an ordinary guy who cares very much about many things.

        “The “god” of this blog?”
        Nope. That would be you.

        “Do you suppose your insights are so profound that none of us (especially me) can withstand your brilliance?”
        No. However, I do occasionally post objectively demonstrable truths. I am still smarting from a couple of years ago when I defined a right here thus:

        “A right is a moral principle defining and sanctioning a man’s range of activity in a social environment and this right principle is that a man must never initiate the use of physical force in human interactions.”

        …and I followed this by saying that rights are rationally demonstrable and you criticized this idea. How then can one defend one’s rights in a court of law if they are UNdefined, if you refuse to even define what you are defending in court? (To define a right as “a gift from God” is NO definition at all as a kitten can also be said to be “a gift from God” and therefore there is no distinction between rights and kittens thus skirting the very definition of “definition.”)

        “Do you suppose that predicting that I will delete one of your “brilliant” comments, that prediction will somehow compel me to no delete your comment?”
        That was my intention and, as of the time of this writing, it has worked. BTW: My comment was NOT particularly “brilliant” NOR was it intended as such. That is YOUR evaluation of it.

        I generally do NOT comment on your religious oriented posts. I don’t comment here very often anyway. However, something about the title of this article, “Standing Firm,” moved me to comment on it and to “stand firm.”

        I do, however, highly regard most of your legal/lawful analyses and that is why I keep reading your blog. Thank you.

         
    • Henry

      March 23, 2014 at 6:08 PM

      The Bible does not support an “eternal torture” version of hell, nor does it say God is “all loving”. Wherever you got these ideas, it wasn’t from the Bible.

       
      • J.M.

        March 23, 2014 at 10:29 PM

        Henry,
        ………….nor does it say God is “all loving”

        Right about the “torture” part. You have said what he is not. How about saying what he IS? Help us out here.

         
      • deb

        March 27, 2014 at 8:52 AM

        Henry @6:08

        Mark 9:43-48

        “…cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”

        It is mentioned 3 times for emphasis–witnessed 3 times

        Matthew 18:6-9
        “…to be cast into everlasting fire.”

        Isaiah 66:23-24
        “And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord Yah. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.”

        Rev. 20:10,14
        And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

        And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

        Are these verses self explanatory?

         
    • J.M.

      March 25, 2014 at 4:40 AM

      citizenquasar, hi
      @“The “god” of this blog?”
      @Nope. That would be you.

      I thought it was moon, aka echo ears. This is who I thought Alfred was referring to.

      @ >“Do you suppose your insights are so profound that none of us (especially me) can withstand your brilliance?”
      @> No. However, I do occasionally post objectively demonstrable truths. I am still smarting from a couple of years ago when I defined a right here thus:

      I thought Alfred was referring to EDOMS THORN, not you, citizenquasar.

      @ > “A right is a moral principle defining and sanctioning a man’s range of activity in a social environment and this right principle is that a man must never initiate the use of physical force in human interactions.”

      @ >…and I followed this by saying that rights are rationally demonstrable and you criticized this idea. How then can one defend one’s rights in a court of law if they are UNdefined, if you refuse to even define what you are defending in court? (To define a right as “a gift from God” is NO definition at all as a kitten can also be said to be “a gift from God” and therefore there is no distinction between rights and kittens thus skirting the very definition of “definition.”)

      It Begins with the Mayflower Compact, and written the Statute of 1776.

      @ > “Do you suppose that predicting that I will delete one of your “brilliant” comments, that prediction will somehow compel me to no delete your comment?”

      Once again, I thought this statement referred to echo ears & EDOMS THORN& possibly you, citizenquasar. It is HARD to know with what is happening what is really going on.

      @ >That was my intention and, as of the time of this writing, it has worked. BTW: My comment was NOT particularly “brilliant” NOR was it intended as such. That is YOUR evaluation of it.

      @ >I generally do NOT comment on your religious oriented posts. I don’t comment here very often anyway. However, something about the title of this article, “Standing Firm,” moved me to comment on it and to “stand firm.”

      We should all do the best we can with what we understand, Sometimes our best falls short.

      I do, however, highly regard most of your legal/lawful analyses and that is why I keep reading your blog. Thank you.

      Yes, even If I get or am banned I understand I can still read Alfred’s messages. We at least have that going for us. Citizenquasar, try to stay honest. I will try also. Wish I could guarantee it. Guess I’ll find out one way or the other sooner or later. Who knows, I may get some kind of stroke or something that alters my thinking. I think if that happens tho, my “God” will take that into consideration.

       
    • J.M.

      March 25, 2014 at 11:30 PM

      @ > I was already aware of this and I am looking forward to this article. For what it is worth, “Iesus” looks suspiciously like “Isis.”

      Way to go Bro. Yes indeed, ISIS. She is something else ain’t she. What a crying shame that it takes citizenquasar to show “SO CALLED CHRISTIANS” just how little they know. This is WHY I like honesty. It’s a trait, quality, etc. that “some SO CALLED CHRISTIANS are apparently unaware of. NO WONDER straightforward HONEST & EXTREMELY RARE people like citizenquasar openly say he/she IS NOT a Christian. How can you blame them or find fault with them? I cannot. YES, it almost makes me ASHAMED to say I am a Christian, OR TRY to be. I would rather be associated WITH honest people LIKE citizenquasar. I NEED friends LIKE citizenquasar. He is HONEST. More & a LOT MORE than I can say about ANY of you liars & deceivers that put on a FRONT & SAY you you ARE CHRISTIANS. WOE TO YOU DECEIVERS. Way to go again bro, citizenquasar. TEACH THESE PHONIES a thing or two. Well, no forget it. can’t teach or show THEM ANYTHING.

       
    • Dea Lawman

      July 9, 2015 at 3:38 AM

      citizenquasar,
      @ Myself being a non-superstitious non-faiithist, I don’t have anything good to say about this post. One of the things that really chaffs me about Christians is that they tell me their god will eternally torture me after I die for not believing in the existence of gods because there is not one shred of evidence for such belief and then they have the audacity to say their god is “all loving.” What a load of crap.” Perish, Bible. This will tell you where it is written in the Bible & everything you want or need to know about perish. Use the same method for anything else you want to know about what “God” says about anything. STILL, this is no guarantee you will believe what you read, buy why do you believe what “Christians” SAY?

       
      • Dea Lawman

        July 9, 2015 at 3:50 AM

        citizenquasar my comment to you did not post entirely.Only about half of it posted,& I am not going to type it again. Go to your browser, type in the words, perish, Bible. This will bring up anything written in the bible about that word. Don’t go on what people say. Use this same method to see what “God” SAYS.Nobody will suffer for eternity. It will be an instant death for those who REFUSE to care for each other. & Life eternal in paradise for those who do care for each other. Just because it’s raining today doesn’t mean the sun will never shine again. shalom. < look that word up too.

         
  6. Lawernce Kenemore Jr

    March 23, 2014 at 8:02 AM

    Yes those verses resonated with me and carried me over the years…and he has proven himself faithful

     
  7. Joan of Arc

    March 23, 2014 at 8:52 AM

    A rich young man asked Jesus what he must do to gain eternal life (Matthew 19:16). Jesus told him he must keep the commandments, give away his earthly treasures, and follow Him. It’s clear to me that it’s not over until it’s over!

     
    • Amy

      March 23, 2014 at 9:02 AM

      I would also add a clarifier on keeping the commandments…all this picking and choosing which ones apply to “Christians” drives me a little mad.

      Matthew 5:18

      For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished.

      Last I checked, heaven and earth are still in effect.

      It’s not Law vs. Grace, it’s Law+Grace!!

       
      • Joan of Arc

        March 23, 2014 at 9:57 AM

        Jesus summed up the commandments for us (Matthew 22:37): Love the Lord with all your soul and with all your mind. Love your neighbor as yourself.

         
      • Amy

        March 23, 2014 at 10:26 AM

        Agreed. But don’t leave out the rest (emphasis on verse 40):

        36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

        37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

        38 This is the first and great commandment.

        39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

        40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

        Also, John 15:10-11

        10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. 11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.

        Can’t have law without love an can’t have love without law.

        At any rate, enjoyed the blog post. :)

         
      • J.M.

        March 24, 2014 at 5:16 AM

        Amy,
        @ > It’s not Law vs. Grace, it’s Law+Grace!!

        TRUE !!! Absolutely true.

         
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 9:01 PM

      Joan of Arc,

      What does the following scripture mean, to you??? especially the give an answer, part ???

      2nd Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to every man who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear.

       
      • J.M.

        March 25, 2014 at 3:11 AM

        @ 2nd Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to every man who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear.

        This means to those who ask who are trying to obey The TRUE “God.” The Creator & Sustainer of the UNIVERSE. The LIFE GIVER. I’m TRYING. But, I see I leave out some important things that I should have said. When I comment or try to answer those who are the enemies of “The TRUE “God” I try to do so hoping someone is also reading my comment who is trying to obey The True “God.” IF I could ONLY explain things HALF as well as Alfred Adask does, I think I could be of help to “others.” I wish others would ask me to be more specific. This would help me explain things better. I cannot explain ANYTHING to THORNS & HIS KIND.But, I also know why.

         
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 10:13 PM

      Joan of Arc,
      @ >A rich young man asked Jesus what he must do to gain eternal life (Matthew 19:16). Jesus told him he must keep the commandments, give away his earthly treasures, and follow Him.

      How did the rich young ruler follow up on that advice?

       
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 10:18 PM

      Joan of Arc,
      @ > Love your neighbor as yourself.

      Well then I cannot love my neighbor very much? Who is my neighbor anyway?

       
      • J.M.

        March 23, 2014 at 10:34 PM

        @ > Who is my neighbor anyway?

        I already know the Bible answer to this question, in case anyone wants to tell me. Something to do with a “good Samaritan.”

         
  8. mrtideman

    March 23, 2014 at 10:15 AM

    Hopefully http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/theater/2014/03/17/obit-mitch-leigh-man-of-la-mancha/6539485/ is now “saved”, re: and Richard Kiley too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXDG3LYh4p0 of 2:33-minutes seen: 26,352 times.

     
  9. EDOMS THORN

    March 23, 2014 at 12:15 PM

    AL you brought up a great point. I have not used the term “saved” in that sense for years. I will say “when I received” or “when I accepted” etc. I liken it to “Born Again”
    Matthew 19 gives us a good bit of information that tells us that Salvation is dependent upon our ‘behavior’ in this life.
    Matthew 19:25-28 “When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel”.
    AND HERE we see that Salvation is AFTER this LIFE and is in the “regeneration” ( J.M.? BORN AGAIN??) AND then in verse 29 we have some of OUR “marching orders”

    …” regeneration”… S.C. (1980 hard copy) 3824 Greek from “paliggenesia” Messianic restoration. It is also from S.C 3825 “once more” – “furthermore on the other hand”and S.C. . 1078 -Generation- Nature
    E.T. will point out that the world will be “restored” to how it was in the garden of EDEN. And Man will once again have access to God in the flesh. (IMO)

    I want to point out that it is important to STAND.

    Ephesians 6:13-14 “Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. STAND therefore, having your loins girt about with TRUTH”… emphasis added.

    That is what we should do is STAND IN THE TRUTH! If it is not the truth then expose the lie and then STAND>

     
    • Lawernce Kenemore Jr

      March 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

      Glad to see there are some that study the word which speaks with authority

       
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 23, 2014 at 3:00 PM

        Shucks. Just doing what WE are told…. To the consternation of most Preachers and “PEW WARMERS”…

        II TIMOTHY 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth”.
        DIVIDING:
        SC GREEK 3718 “orthotomeo” to make straight, cut, to DISSECT!

         
      • J.M.

        March 24, 2014 at 7:11 AM

        BAD BOY, Larry
        @ >Glad to see there are some that study the word which speaks with authority

        Yes as You, Bad Boy, Larry & everyone can “see” EDOMS THORN sure does speak with “authority.”

         
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 9:12 PM

      @ >Come on J.M. You whimpered and whined that I did not answer your question, when any one with an eighth grade education could discern what my position was, but you will not answer my questions.

      unable to do as you command or order E.T. because I have said over & over & over to you, E,T. I only have a SIXTH grade education. If I put something in all caps, you say, QUIT YELLING AT ME. When I ask you to answer a question by simply answering yes or no, you understand this to mean I am asking you to give me a full page sermon but then you say I have a reading comprehension problem. I am trying to learn arithmetic & you throw trigonometry at me. I can’t absorb it. You are to HEAVY for me E.T.

       
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 11:15 PM

      Edoms THORN
      I@ > Is that the best you can do?

      I always try to better my best, but at this point, yes, that’s the best I can do. REMEMBER, YOU keep telling ME I have a reading comphrension problem???

      I@ > In our supposed conversation on CAIN and the “serpent seed” or “Dual seed line”, you effectively hump up and crap on what I say, without researching, and then providing anything that supports your disagreement. FACTS don’t matter to you?

      REMEMBER, YOU keep telling ME I have a reading comphrension problem??? AND, I don’t like to be confused with THOSE kindzuh FACTS. ALSO, as you SHOULD be able to SEE, I have a spelling problem TOO, & a punctuation problem TOO, AND, my eyesight ain’t that good either.

      @ > Concerning “Bible Inerrancy”, I provided you with a few verse’s of scripture that cleanly shows that they had been “tampered with” by way of either omissions and additions and you have no comment. I asked you if you had ever heard of the debate between true Bible Scholars and Theologians concerning Bible Inerrancy, and you do not answer. WHY? On this thread above someone posted another OMISSION that you may find of interest (IF you really ever were) LOOK >>>

      I have my own way of finding out things. It’s just that I find out “some” things too late and I don’t need no “Bible Scholars” to tell me which way the wind is blowing as they, most of-umm, are full of hot air anyway.

      @ > …”Keep in mind that in the Old Testament of the KJV Bible, the name YHWH (Yahweh) has been omitted over 6,000 times and substituted with the title “the Lord”….

      Is that right?? I didn’t know that. Look E.T. I have tried to explain repeatedly, over & over & over that I read the 1611 King James version from cover to cover EVERY YEAR & I STILL say that if the 1611 King James version was good enough for Emanuel, aka Jesus & the disciples to read, it’s good enough for me. I fail miserably in getting THIS FACT across. I am at a loss to know how to explain this any plainer. 1611 means, in the year of our Lord. Does that make it any plainer?

      @ > So what is your problem? I would be ashamed of myself if I was unable to have an adult debate, and instead, run from it…. Tsk tsk.

      Yes I agree,Tsk Tsk Tsk. My problems are manifold, like in Manifold gasket. Have pity on me. Be merciful to me. PLEASE.

      @ > I put out a good bit of effort in all of my posts, and to have you acting the way your are is extremely unfair, disrespectful and very childish. Not to mention a shameful display of Intellectual Cowardice! I run in to this problem often. It is usually Christian Zionist’s or I suspect ADL SPLC TROLLS! They do hate the truth and look for ways to demonize and ridicule me because they do not have an ARGUMENT, Where is your argument?

      I ain’t got no argument.

       
      • J.M.

        March 24, 2014 at 5:24 AM

        To myself,
        @ >My problems are manifold, like in Manifold gasket

        I recently had the “Coolant Level Low” light come on too. AND, if nobody else laughed at my message, I did. Heeeeeeee Hawwwwwwww!! Especially the 1611 part. ( :<

         
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 11:37 PM

      @ > J.M. I think you are pulling our leg with that load of crap. THREE PEOPLE that YOU KNOW???

      ok E T. Three People I once knew. I still KNOW them in my heart & it does upset me that they committed suicide. I am an emotional type of “person.” Come down on me for saying that. Got your magnifier out. You are pretty heartless E.T. But, to me, there is nothing pretty about it. If people think I’m lying, I can’t help it. I told the TRUTH. E.T. Do you want your Computer to be destroyed AGAIN ???

       
    • J.M.

      March 24, 2014 at 5:34 AM

      THORNHEAD aka GOATHEAD !!!

      @ > J.M. I think you are pulling our leg with that load of crap. THREE PEOPLE that YOU KNOW???
      That is really a LOW BLOW GOATHEAD !!!
      You pompous arrogant egotistical,self righteous CREEP !!!.moon aka echo ears said he is very good at peeving people OFF. I’m very good at eventually getting beastly people LIKE YOU THORNHEAD to reveal their true colors. You LET MY DECEASED FRIENDS ALONE !!!

       
    • J.M.

      March 24, 2014 at 8:16 PM

      THORN, You say,
      @ > AL you brought up a great point.

      A great point?? Just A great point???

       
    • J.M.

      March 25, 2014 at 9:40 AM

      THORN,
      @ > I put out a good bit of effort in all of my posts, and to have you acting the way your are is extremely unfair, disrespectful and very childish.

      Thanks Thorn, Like I remember what you said about my deceased friends.
      Your Father has put good bit of effort in his efforts too, about 6,000 years of effort. You are not so vain that you think you can TOP that do you? I know your Father appreciates your HELP but he is NOT going to allow you to outdo him. He is VAIN too. Just keep up the good work E.T. U B doin ok

       
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 25, 2014 at 9:57 AM

        J.M.

        I speak plainly and I am not an idiot that is unable to see when someone is lying. IF you had one ‘friend that killed themselves because the name of GOD had been hidden by the ENEMY, I could believe that. but for you to CLAIM THREE, is impossible to believe and I CALL B>S> IF you had three friends that committed Suicide it was because YOU drove them to it.

        Your claim that my Email address was not working is not believable either. AND for your claim that sometimes “part of” what you post is removed is not believable. You are calling AL ADASK dishonest and me a FOOL> I operate a wordpress blog and they do not remove parts of ANY comments either through a computer error or censoring. SO I call B.S.

        You are exposed.

         
      • Henry

        March 25, 2014 at 12:05 PM

        Edom’s Thorn said, “AND for your claim that sometimes “part of” what you post is removed is not believable.”

        Funny you should mention that.

        Adask, on May 11, 2013 at 11:41 PM, said something similar to J.M. who at the time was trolling under the name “Ironhead”:

        “It’s interesting that you complain that some of your comment was deleted. The only other person I can recall who complained about losing some of his comments was “Les Fuchs”–one of the two people recently banned. More, according to IP Location Lookup, both you (Ironhead) and “Les Fuchs” are located at or near Santa Fe, New Mexico. Perhaps you know him?”

        https://adask.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/on-this-rock-i-will-build-my-church-ok-but-which-rock

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 25, 2014 at 12:22 PM

        Henry,

        There we have it. I am justified once again by the FACTS! In plain ENGLISH, J.M. is a TROLL and a proven LIAR!

        EDOMS THORN! The unrefuted truth just a mouse click away!

         
    • J.M.

      March 25, 2014 at 7:32 PM

      Good afternoon Ladies & Gentlemen, Men & Women, Boys & Girls,
      In/on The War of 1812 A.D. thread, EDOM THORNS says,

      EDOMS THORN
      January 22, 2014 at 4:01 PM

      I have posting problems… TESTING

      NOW, MISTER THORN, MISTER HENRY, WHO IS THE PROVEN LIAR HERE?

      Amy, my heart goes out to you dear one. Remember, what the purpose of Satan is. Out seeking who he may “devour.” As for me, I too wonder WHY these BEASTS are allowed to continually TRY & devour. I don’t think we should allow it, do you? I wish there was a way to communicate with you directly. I’m going to back up & punt. Remember what moon says on this thread about “who” is in control of demons. Yes, I too wonder why comments like this are continually allowed to be posted.
      continually allowed continually allowed continually allowed. They appear on other threads too, CONTINUALLY.

       
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 25, 2014 at 8:09 PM

        J.M.

        TO ALL make note of what I will show you concerning EDOM in the following (LINK) et;al
        So I now have to add “TREACHEROUS to the list of words that describe your character.

        Yes I had “A” posting problem which I soon figured out what it was, and I pointed it out and I am certain that you are and WERE made aware of what it was.

        HERE is what was posted and the TROLL J.M. leaves out.

        EDOMS THORN
        January 22, 2014 at 4:27 PM

        …”Here is a link I found that give a deeper look at EDOM than my article.
        Remove the “&” and push it to make a link!!
        http: & //www.mission to Israel. org/ mystery-of-gentiles/chapter10.php

        EDOMS THORN
        January 27, 2014 at 8:17 PM
        B.T.W. I am the reason that link above, that you need to fix to make it work, I am the reason it is not ‘allowed’ on ANY “W o R d P r E ss” web site! Try to post it!! LOL It is a good story”.

        //////
        http: & //www.mission to israel. org/ mystery-of-gentiles/chapter10.php
        PLEASE DO TRY and prove me a LIAR!! LOL!

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 25, 2014 at 8:11 PM

         
    • J.M.

      March 26, 2014 at 3:46 AM

      “Nothing in this world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more commonplace than unsuccessful men with talent. Genuis will not; unrewarded genuis is almost a proverb. Education alone will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.

      EDOMS THORN
      March 24, 2014 at 9:34 PM, your message in pertinent part, you say, on this thread,

      WELL, that is in my honest EDUCATED opinion.

       
    • J.M.

      March 26, 2014 at 10:58 AM

      THORN, YOU ASK,
      @ > So what is your problem?

      I’m UNEDUCATED. YOU EDUCATED. USE YO EDUCATION TO FIGGER DAT OUT. OR, is that insurmountable FO YO EDUCATION.

       
    • J.M.

      March 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

      EDOMS THORN,
      @ Larry says; “Glad to see there are some that study the word which speaks with authority.”

      E.T. YOU say, in pertinent part, in answer to Larry’s statement: “Shucks. Just doing what WE are told….
      E.T., how did you know when Larry made that statement it WAS/IS meant for you??? Due-duhh wurd, VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN have N E THANG 2 due widdit? VAAAAAAAAAANNNN

       
  10. Peg-Powers

    March 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM

    Two things:

    1. Look not to your weakness. Do not short yourself. Be filled with the Spirit. Look to HIS indwelling Spirit and Power in the here and now. If you don’t feel it—then genuinely ask for it—get filled with it. Believe me; you WILL feel it and know its glorious reality and power. Your “cup” will overflow! This is your inheritance. His kingdom, His church, is a body of spiritual people and we must recognize one another by this self-same Spirit.

    Lk 24 – Jesus said: “….that all things must be fulfilled….concerning me. And behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: tarry until ye be endued with POWER from on high.” Acts 1 – “…be baptized with the Holy Ghost….ye shall receive POWER after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you.” And Peter said: “THIS IS THAT which was spoken by the prophet Joel—-saith God, I will pour out of my SPIRIT…” Be filled with His Spirit!

    2. A thing I have never understood. What name did Adam and Eve use for “God”, the one and only Father/Creator, whom they knew personally? Adam was alive for hundreds of years instructing his grandchildren in the ways and promises of The Father/Creator. Adam and Eve were the first evangelical “Christians”, believing the promise of their Father (Gen. 3;15) concerning faith in the future messiah/savior, and I’m certain they did their job well. So why are we stuck on using the “Hebrew” (yhwh) language/name for our almighty Father/Creator? Jesus didn’t seem to make a big deal about this, and I think we should return to some beautiful simplicity which doesn’t create stumblingblocks!

     
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 9:33 PM

      Peg-Powers,
      @ > Adam was alive for hundreds of years instructing his grandchildren in the ways and promises of The Father/Creator.

      BUT !!! In what language??? This is what somebody else said we need to understand.

       
    • deb

      March 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM

      Peg Powers @12:28pm

      @ So why are we stuck on using the “Hebrew” (yhwh) language/name for our almighty Father/Creator? Jesus didn’t seem to make a big deal about this, and I think we should return to some beautiful simplicity which doesn’t create stumblingblocks!

      Yehoshua-Yashua-Yahshua-Yeshua (Yah=eternally existing one and Shua=Salvation) sounds pretty close to His Hebrew name(Matt.1:21/Lk.1:31). If we pray or ask anything in His name as He told us to, what name would that be? If it really doesn’t matter then i guess we can use any name like maybe Charley or Joe. Then i suppose that at either of those names or any other name every knee should bow–right? Maybe even a false christ?

      1Peter 2:4-8
      He is a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense…

       
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 6:21 PM

        Miss GAINS, You say To E.T.
        @ > Dump him ET…he’s wasting our time, when we COULD be having a PRODUCTIVE discourse…just DO NOT respond to him anymore…We’d MUCH prefer to hear what YOU have to say to us, then what you have TO say to JM…He’s baiting you and distracting you, and causing EXACTLY what he’s paid to cause…dissension! Division! IMHO you must DUMP him!

        You “Cain” GAIN MO INFO FRUM Missuhh THAUN by jus simply doin whut Missuhh Thaun say rite heuh > simply a mouse click away

        @ >EDOMS THORN! Where the unrefuted facts a just a mouse click away!

        I aine gayn B Givin U duh link fa\w it dough. It on dis heuh thread dough. It B E-Z faw U to finds.

         
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 6:32 PM

        deb,
        @ >1Peter 2:4-8 He is a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense…

        THANK YOU, deb. Absolutely. The comments on this very thread is PROOF of this. deb, I am sincere when I say, THANK YOU !!!

         
  11. Bobby G

    March 23, 2014 at 1:13 PM

    Mr. Adask. Those two favorite verses of yours say men (in the end days) will be saved for Jesus’s name sake. I know most Christians don’t put a lot of stock on the old version of the bible (OT), but rather on a newer version (NT).

    The Old Testament has a different take on the “name” sake for who will be saved. In the New Testament (Acts 4:12) we find where Peter and John were before the council and asked by what authority they came. Here is what Peter told them.

    “And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

    Oh really? No other name under heaven was given? WRONG!

    What Peter said was actually written in the Old Testament in the book of Joel, Ch 2, verses 31 and 32. Unfortunately, he didn’t mention that the only name given in the text was not “Jesus”, but rather “YHWH (Yahweh). But not reading the text correctly, it made it appear as if “Jesus” was the name. I would assume that someone (scribes) couldn’t, out of superstition, write the name YHWH (Yahweh), so they ommitted it all together. Here is the KJV version of JOEL 2, 31-32: NOTE: Keep in mind that in the Old Testament of the KJV Bible, the name YHWH (Yahweh) has been omitted over 6,000 times and substituted with the title “the Lord”.

    Joel Ch 2, verse 31. “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord (Hebrew translation Yahweh) come. 32. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord (Hebrew translation Yahweh) shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.”

    The Almighty’s name (Yah) was very important to him. He even wrote a Commandment about it. He said it was his “memorial unto all generations”. Therefore, he would never change it to anything else, including “Jesus” (which was a common greek name). Keep in mind that we are to do all things in the name of YHWH.

    God Yahweh said he was the only God formed and there would be none formed after him, which kind of puts the myth about Jesus being God incarnated, to rest. Read the following verses of Isaiah 43: 11-12 carefully and decide for your-self.

    …10″ … Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me. 11″I, even I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me. 12 “It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed, And there was no strange god among you; So you are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “And I am God.…

    Yah said he was the only savior. He also said it was His name which will save. Any comment?

     
    • Adask

      March 23, 2014 at 2:59 PM

      I’m working on another article along the lines that you’ve suggested. One fundamental point in the article is that the Messiah’s name was not “Jesus” or “GEE-zus”. It is unlikely that the Messiah ever even heard the word “Jesus” in his lifetime. I will be happy if anyone can show me evidence that anyone ever called the Messiah during his earthly life. it may be that there is only one name by which we must all be saved, but I doubt that anyone can produce evidence that that name is “Jesus”. The name “Jesus” is a tradition of men that’s probably no more than 600 years old. The lettter “J” wasn’t even invented until about A.D. 1500. I don’t know for sure, but I’ve read that the “j” sound heard in “John,” “Jacob” and “Jesus” does not exist in the Hebrew language. If there’s only one name by means of which each of us must be saved, it seems incumbent on all of us to discover that that name really is.

       
      • Amy

        March 23, 2014 at 4:11 PM

        My understanding from my studies is that it is either:

        Yeshua
        or
        Yehoshua (see also Joshua as a forshadowing savior-type)

        Also, in the Hebrew and paleo Hebrew this meaning is “salvation is from YHVH”

         
      • citizenquasar

        March 25, 2014 at 2:36 PM

        I was already aware of this and I am looking forward to this article. For what it is worth, “Iesus” looks suspiciously like “Isis.”

         
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 3:12 PM

      Bobby G
      @ > Yah said he was the only savior. He also said it was His name which will save. Any comment?

      YES, I have a comment.I have known THREE people who committed SUICIDE over this NAME ISSUE.They were ALL TOLD that UNLESS they USED the CORRECT NAME THEY GO TO HELL !!! They TRIED HARD to UNDERSTAND what this CORRECT NAME WAS & IS. Below, are just SOME of these names. EACH GROUP SAYS THEIR WAY IS THE CORRECT & ONLY WAY & you DAMN WELL BETTER USE THEIR CORRECT WAY OR IT”S ALL OVER ROVER. Now, Bobby G. WHICH IS IT???

      YeHoWah v. Yahushua v. Yahshua v. Yeshuah v. Yahuwah v. Yehowah v. Yahshuah, Jehovah

       
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 23, 2014 at 11:16 PM

        J.M. I think you are pulling our leg with that load of crap. THREE PEOPLE that YOU KNOW???

        Just like you to lie tho. You effectively called me a liar when you claimed that my email address did not work. You are one sick puppy. Seek help!

         
    • Christian Gains

      March 23, 2014 at 5:40 PM

      “My Father and I are one” sums up the reality of Joel’s statement & Peter’s…But, add to this the first 14 verses of John, (esply. the first 4 verses, AND verse 14).

      But, (since all here, [with the exception of citizenquazar]), seem very interested in this matter that Al’s brought up, I’d advice that you EACH consider the PRINCIPLE debate in Protestantism:

      “Works versus Grace”.

      Is our Salvation due, primarily, to our efforts, deeds,works? OR, is it SOLELY dependent upon Christ’s GIFT through HIS chosen sacrifice? OR, is it a bit of both?

      As for “Yah” changing HIS Name to Jesus…this is a bit of Linguistic ignorance…The Hebrew name of Yah’s Son, was Yahshua, or Yashua. Yah, Yahwey, and Yahshua (in English, this name is spelled Joshua or Joshuah. Hebrew has no “J” or hard “J” sound — the name Jesus is an “English” version, and has a dubious history, at best — but, that’s another subject for another day).

      ALL 3 of the above names are of basically the same linguistic form…YAH, YAH-WEY, YAH-SHUA.

      Also, IF what you espouse is correct Bobby G., then you’re simply stating that:
      #1] Peter didn’t know the TRUTH;
      #2] No one “clinging to”, “trusting in”, or “believing in” the power of the name “Yahshua” is saved. And,
      #3] That the man named Yahshua / Yashua was NOT the Savior, but rather, an impostor, claiming to be “Ha Messhiac” – THE ONE AND ONLY Yah sent “sacrificial lamb” & MESSIAH.

      Now, really, what I’ve seen demonstrated in this ENTIRE blog, is supposition and personal interpretation of Scripture. Not that I’m intending to be criticizing you; it’s just that, (since ’07 or ’08), I’ve been studying the teaching of Ancient Languages, [specifically Hebrew & Greek], &, in doing so, I’ve learned that if one does NOT READ these two languages, then one must avoid trying to develop Theological doctrinaire. Why? Because, ALMOST EVERY Hebrew word is TOTALLY defined, NOT by statement, but by the CONTEXT of the statement. And, that developing a doctrine, from a few singular verses, (rather than based on thematic development — following a THEME throughout the Scripture, that fully supports your interpretation), is dangerous at best, and most often very far of the “narrow way”, into which few enter.

      Now, (again, I do NOT mean this as criticism, but as a lesson that I’ve had to learn, that will help you ALL in the future when struggling with the meanings or intended meanings of verses).

      FIRST & FOREMOST, (I’m emphasizing because this is crucial), you must learn to utilize a Hebrew and Greek /Aramaic Dictionary. (I suggest STRONG’S Exhaustive Concordance [with the two languages’ Dictionaries in the back]). BUT!

      EQUALLY IMPORTANT, you MUST get a knowledgeable, well established Language / Scripture Teacher.

      My suggestion is found here:

      drmsh.com

      This is the (new, improved) site of Dr. Michael S. Heiser, {Professor of Ancient Languages, at University of Wisconsin – Madison).

      Here’s a quick Bio from his site:

      About Michael S. Heiser

      Mike Heiser is a scholar in the fields of biblical studies, and the ancient Near East. He is the Academic Editor of Logos Bible Software. Mike earned the M.A. and Ph.D. in Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 2004. He has also earned an M.A. in Ancient History, from the University of Pennsylvania, (major fields: Ancient Israel and Egyptology).

      And, here’s some material & subjects that he offers:
      —————————————————————————————————————————
      Publications for Purchase
      Dr. Heiser writes a lot of things that are available for free, especially on the divine council and his blogs (Naked Bible, PaleoBabble, and UFO Religions). Below are a few things that are not freely available. (each title is hyper-lined for perusal, at drmsh.com
      ————————————————————————————————————————–

      I STRONGLY suggest that “Naked Bible” is a VERY good starting point…(I was “butt ignorant”, so starting off at “naked bible” was great! {= -).

      His material is truly amazing, & VERY MUCH based upon knowledge of the ORIGINAL TEXTS of Scripture.

      To study his material is to take a MARVELOUS journey of TRUTH through the Scriptures, and the Hebrew history.

       
      • J.M.

        March 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM

        Christian Gains, you did not believe this before. Seems like you have changed you mind at least to some degree.

        James 2:14 > What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

        18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

         
      • J.M.

        March 23, 2014 at 7:58 PM

        Christian Gains,
        Re: “My Father and I are one”

        So is a man & a woman “lawfully” joined together. STILL, there are TWO beings. Who at this instant is sitting on the right side of WHO ?? AND sitting don’t necessarily mean “sitting” either. WHO is “sitting” on the Throne of England, OR Great Britaine TODAY? There is a physical aspect & a spiritual aspect. I believe there are spiritual animals TOO !!!

         
      • J.M.

        March 23, 2014 at 8:14 PM

        Christian Gains, sometimes I think that you & Edoms Thorn are one & the same, but then again, I know you are not one & the same. Here is what I do know. You & Edoms Thorn WILL get along quite well. You & Edoms Thorn CAN communicate with each other, no doubt about it. This IS NOT a “putdown” This is a compliment. You are BOTH deep deep analyzers & thinkers.

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 23, 2014 at 8:22 PM

        Come on J.M. You whimpered and whined that I did not answer your question, when any one with an eighth grade education could discern what my position was, but you will not answer my questions.
        I don’t want to hurt your feeling J.M. so how about having an adult conversation now?

         
      • J.M.

        March 24, 2014 at 6:46 PM

        Christian Gains
        January 27, 2014 at 11:55 PM

        Whew! WOW! What did you just say!?!? That someone cursed you to “the fires of hell” because you forgot to forget the Gospel!?!? — You wrote:

        “That which I understand are the “Oracles of God”, some others say have been abolished,nailed to the cross. Maybe so, but I just don’t understand it that way. SO IF I am thrown into the lake of fire & suffer the 2nd death it will be because I forgot to remember to forget that the sacrifice of Christ abolished what we were told to remember & by not remembering to forget that which we no longer needed to remember was disrespectful & calling the sacrifice of Christ of no value. Anyway I do not want or mean to be disrespectful,etc. by still trying to remember, what perpetual means & what throughout you generations means”. —

        J.M., I just gave you the WORD of the LORD’S Apostle, [II Cor. 11:3. and Heb. 5: 11 – 14…Need you ANYthing else? PLEASE…re-read, and study what I sent to you, concerning the difference between the counsel given to the Corinthians and to the HEBREWS

        Christian, it’s rather “odd” that you ask, Whew! WOW! What did you just say!?!? < AND YET, you even have the ANSWER to,Whew! WOW! What did you just say!?!?

         
    • J.M.

      March 26, 2014 at 10:53 AM

      @ >“YHWH (Yahweh)

      Why then IS it, YHWH??? And, SOME people say, NO, it’s YHVH. Why isn’t ANYTHING said about HIS LAWS??? He says, He puts HIS LAWS above HIS NAME. ABOVE ABOVE ABOVE his Name. WHY is this OVERLOOKED, NOT IMPORTANT???? IF people KNEW about The HOLY DAYS they would UNDERSTAND HIS OVERALL PLAN & PURPOSE !!! not important tho. IT”S THE NAME NAME NAME !!!

       
  12. Peg-Powers

    March 23, 2014 at 1:30 PM

    BUT, how can you believe the falsity that Adam and Eve possessed and used the “Hebrew” language? Come on! The truths still remain the same. Let us love and embrace the Father’s eternal truth.

     
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 2:55 PM

      Peg-Powers,

      @> BUT, how can you believe the falsity that Adam and Eve possessed and used the “Hebrew” language?

      What language did they speak? I’m sure Cain, Abel, Adam & Eve communicated with each other via A language. IF it’s FALSE that they did not speak the Hebrew language, then what TRUE language did the speak, in? I think I can safely say the language WAS NOT English, French, OR, at least 99% of the languages spoken today. I don’t know what language they spoke but I do think it’s of CRITICAL importance that we KNOW & KNOW that WE KNOW what language Adam, Eve USED. I KNOW YOU AGREE, Peg. How is it possible that we can come to KNOW ANYTHING about ANYTHING UNLESS, we know what language they used? I cannot emphasize this STRONGLY ENOUGH. If we cannot KNOW & KNOW that we KNOW the language, we might as well CHUCK IT. RIGHT ???

       
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 9:35 PM

      E.T.
      @ > I don’t want to hurt your feeling J.M. so how about having an adult conversation now?

      With who??

       
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 23, 2014 at 10:12 PM

        Is that the best you can do?

        In our supposed conversation on CAIN and the “serpent seed” or “Dual seed line”, you effectively hump up and crap on what I say, without researching, and then providing anything that supports your disagreement. FACTS don’t matter to you?

        Concerning “Bible Inerrancy”, I provided you with a few verse’s of scripture that cleanly shows that they had been “tampered with” by way of either omissions and additions and you have no comment. I asked you if you had ever heard of the debate between true Bible Scholars and Theologians concerning Bible Inerrancy, and you do not answer. WHY? On this thread above someone posted another OMISSION that you may find of interest (IF you really ever were) LOOK>>>

        …”Keep in mind that in the Old Testament of the KJV Bible, the name YHWH (Yahweh) has been omitted over 6,000 times and substituted with the title “the Lord”….

        So what is your problem? I would be ashamed of myself if I was unable to have an adult debate, and instead, run from it…. Tsk tsk.

        I put out a good bit of effort in all of my posts, and to have you acting the way your are is extremely unfair, disrespectful and very childish. Not to mention a shameful display of Intellectual Cowardice! I run in to this problem often. It is usually Christian Zionist’s or I suspect ADL SPLC TROLLS! They do hate the truth and look for ways to demonize and ridicule me because they do not have an ARGUMENT, Where is your argument?

         
      • Toland

        March 24, 2014 at 8:08 PM

        @Edoms Thorn

        One of the more frequent goals of a troll is to redirect discussion FROM the intended topic of the thread TO the personalities, personal qualities, personal faults, etc. of the participants.

        Derail a conversation about ideas that the troll would rather not have discussed. Lower the level of discussion to a squabbling mess of a soap opera. An additional, long-term, goal is to put people off the whole idea of discussing such topics

        Examples:

        “You, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you.”

        “Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.”

        “You, you, you, me, me, me, you, you, you, me, me, me, you, you, you, me, me, me.

        “Me, me, me, you, you, you, me, me, me, you, you, you, me, me, me, you, you, you.”

        “Me, you, me, you, me, you, me, you, me, you, me, you, me, you, me, you, me, you.”

        “You, me, you, me, you, me, you, me, you, me, you, me, you, me, you, me, you, me.”

        Etc.

         
    • J.M.

      March 30, 2014 at 1:07 AM

      @ >BUT, how can you believe the falsity that Adam and Eve possessed and used the “Hebrew” language?

      IF you KNOW it’s FALSE, the you KNOW what Language is TRUE, it seems to me. So, will you be so kind and, say what language was used? Personally, I don’t think it is important but I like to get other peoples thoughts. Seems to me Since the “Old Testament” was written in Hebrew, & there was another language used too, Chadic or something like that, anyway what do you, Peg-Powers say the TRUE language is or was ??? Thanks.

       
  13. tom

    March 23, 2014 at 1:40 PM

    Sorry to say I didn’t read the entire post but think I have the meat of it and basically this applies to the false doctrine of “once saved always saved” which is preached by many mainline “churches” and most especially “Baptists”. The Scriptures you quoted speak for themselves and men would be wise to obey rather than sputtering their own imaginations of what salvation is.

     
  14. J.M.

    March 23, 2014 at 2:32 PM

    EDOMS THORN,

    > ( J.M.? BORN AGAIN??)

    I have only been BORN ONCE, one, aka,1. ONE TIME. I have NOT been born TWICE aka TWO, aka 2 TIMES. JUST ONCE. I have at times wished I had NEVER been BORN at ALL.

     
    • EDOMS THORN

      March 23, 2014 at 2:36 PM

      You must have just awakened from a nap. You do not remember or talk about “BORN AGAIN”?

      I am waiting for your response to my post on …”Bible Inerrancy”….

       
      • J.M.

        March 23, 2014 at 3:27 PM

        EDOMS THORN

        @ >You must have just awakened from a nap. You do not remember or talk about “BORN AGAIN”?

        Some people ARE still asleep WHEN it APPEARS they are AWAKE

        Did you, E.T. by chance, see my answer, ABOVE ?? Whether you know it or not, E.T. Other people could taken what you said,> ( J.M.? BORN AGAIN??) < to mean I SAID I am BORN AGAIN. This NOT TRUE & I HAVE NEVER SAID THIS.

        I am waiting for you, E.T. to tell me what YES & NO MEANS.Do you need me to be more specific? You said you knew that words have meaning since you were in the third grade. I asked you, E.T. If you will answer a question for me by simply answering yes or no. It WAS NOT a trick question. I'll say it ONE more time, for about the FIFTH time. It is written, Adam knew his wife Eve & she conceived & gave birth to Cain & Eve said, I have gotten a man FROM the LORD. I ASKED you E.T. if YOU BELIEVED this or not. PLEASE answer YES or NO?? You, E.T. WILL NOT answer by saying YES or NO !!!! WHY???

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 23, 2014 at 3:42 PM

        I did not mean to cause confusion for anyone about about you being or saying you were. “Born Again” BUT I KNOW that MOST people would understand from the “CONTENT” of my post, I was pointing out that it shows the ERROR of the “BORN AGAIN” crowd…. I seems that it went WAY over your head tho! Or are you just AGAIN looking for a point of “CONTENTION”?

        WHY you did not see that I answered your question about CAIN already, I do not know why.

        The ANSWER IS HERE>>>>>>>>>>>

        …”KEY WORDS! LOOK!!

        “Bible inerrancy”

        SEE? LOOK!!

        …”Concerning “CAIN”. In Christian usage, that is known as the “Serpent Seed Doctrine” or “Duel Seedline” In ancient Hebrew Writings it is referred to as “The Theory Of ORIGINS” By using google you can learn more about this and HOW many come to believe it”…”….

        DID you see the ANSWER?

        So if you can not discern my answer from that…. HERE IT IS.

        NO!
        NOT “NO” BUT “…HELL NO”….

        NOW how about that adult conversation NOW?
        OR will you find something else to “HIDE” BEHIND?

         
      • J.M.

        March 23, 2014 at 4:34 PM

        Edoms THORN,
        @ >So if you can not discern my answer from that…. HERE IT IS.
        @> NO!
        @> NOT “NO” BUT “…HELL NO”….

        Thanks E.T.
        My answer to the Holy Bible saying, Adam knew his wife Eve, & she conceived & gave birth to Cain……………” IS IS IS,

        YES!
        NOT, just “YES”!!! BUT HELL “YES”!!!. I believe what it, The Holy Bible, says. You showed YOUR song, E.T. I HOPE I have SHOWN you MINE. QUIT YELLING AT ME, E.T. lol

         
      • J.M.

        March 23, 2014 at 10:04 PM

        E.T.
        @ > I am waiting for your response to my post on …”Bible Inerrancy”…

        Why???

         
      • J.M.

        March 24, 2014 at 5:44 AM

        THORNHEAD like in “goathead.”
        @ >You are just another self impressed “FOOL” that loves attention

        Christian Gains said about the SAME thing, except I’m 7 times a FOOL. WHY don’t you goathead start talking about what Israel should be DOING instead of cramming down people’s throat WHO Israel IS??? Israel & EDOM. That’s TWO things you preach about. TWO things & TWO things ONLY. IS TWO YOUR IQ RANGE???

         
      • J.M.

        March 24, 2014 at 6:36 AM

        THORN, you say,
        @ > I did not mean to cause confusion for anyone

        You didn’t ??? Well you don’t even have to mean to, you just automatically DO. It’s your nature.

         
      • Doug

        March 25, 2014 at 5:56 AM

        Any attempt by man or mankind to put God in a box is reductionism and speaks to man’s ego which in my humble opinion is larger than man’s knowledge of the Almighty One.

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 25, 2014 at 7:50 AM

        Hello Doug,

        I am not understanding your point, Doug. Can you be specific?

         
      • Amy

        March 25, 2014 at 8:04 AM

        Agreed and well-put, Doug.

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 25, 2014 at 9:29 AM

        What was Doug’s “well put” point? I saw a vague implication that was not supported with anything in evidence..

         
      • Amy

        March 25, 2014 at 9:35 AM

        Edoms Thorn,

        Simply an encouraging supportive comment from one mind that has a similar understanding of the statement as presented to the one who presented it. I will let Doug answer the question you asked of him directly, as I have no intentions of engaging in the types of debates and name-calling that I have observed are your preference. I wish you and everyone else well on your respective journeys for truth.

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 25, 2014 at 9:47 AM

        AMY,
        What “name calling”? Why all of the vagueness? Why can’t people say what they are talking about. Calling J.M. a “TROLL” is a description of his behavior. I deal in FACTS and have not been refuted with any. I am slandered and ridiculed, but never refuted. Do you find J.M. implying that I am “of the Devil” to be anything but slander?
        I point out J.M.s’ obvious Character Flaws and I am “calling names”?

        A straight answer would be appreciated.

         
      • Amy

        March 25, 2014 at 12:38 PM

        Because I wish to be compassionate to your request, I will repeat my clear statement again: I do not wish to engage in the types of discussions that I can clearly observe you enjoy participating in. That is not only specific to you, however, you are the only one I am addressing. My reasoning, should you truly care to know, is based on these verses from 1 Corinthians 13:1-3:

        If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, I gain nothing.

        Point being, there is enough noise around here and not enough love.

        I’ve said what I’ve needed to say, and will take my leave. I hope that offers you some clarity and perspective on how others view the interactions and “fruit” you bring forth. Shalom.

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 25, 2014 at 1:00 PM

        I do not understand why you resort to speaking in riddles and babbling’s. What does “LOVE” got to do with defending myself from J.M.’s slanderous attacks? What does LOVE have to do with wanting that TROLL to answer my questions of which, (like an intellectual coward) he runs from, and then belittles me without providing ANY facts to back up any of his disagreement?

        You posted that comment to Henry to ME. It was in my wordpress ‘notifications’ and I can only assume you meant it for me. You did not answer my questions yet you defend a PROVEN LIAR and slanderer. WHY?
        You said “SHALOM” Are you a JEWESS? What ever you are you are clearly offend by the Biblical and Historical FACTS that I have presented. That ‘offense’ is evident by your lack of substantive argument and your innuendo with pointing to 1 Corinthians 13:1-3 that my response to the troll is wrong and as you imply, “NOT CHRIST LIKE” So you also slander me?.

        EDOMS THORN! Where the unrefuted facts a just a mouse click away!

         
      • Doug

        March 25, 2014 at 12:52 PM

        Edom’s Thorn

        I’m at lunch and haven’t much time but what I was trying to say regarding reductionism is that man knows next to nothing yet wishes to determine God’s name and His plan among many other issues such as works or grace etc.,

        Gotta run !

         
      • J.M.

        March 25, 2014 at 7:51 PM

        WOE to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Isaiah 5:20

        WOE to YOU, EDOMS THORN, WOE to YOU HENRY, WOE to YOU MOON, aka Echo Ears WOE to THE REMAINDER of ALL of YOU WHO CALL EVIL GOOD & GOOD EVIL !!!!!!! WOE TO YOU!!

         
      • J.M.

        March 26, 2014 at 8:44 PM

        EDOMS THORN,
        @ >EDOMS THORN! Where the unrefuted facts a just a mouse click away!

        Wunce MO E.T. whut dueduh wurd VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN mean?

         
  15. Adrian

    March 23, 2014 at 3:14 PM

    Catholics preach salvation from eternal death.
    Thru death you can get salvation
    Didn’t JESUS proved just that.

    Since we live on this Earth always remember the natural law of this land: from dust to dust.

     
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 10:00 PM

      Adrian,
      @Since we live on this Earth always remember the natural law of this land: from dust to dust.

      How did you figure that out???

       
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 23, 2014 at 10:44 PM

        I can not understand why AL ADASK allows you you to post on here J.M. Can he not see that you are just a obnoxious and disgusting as a foul mouthed Atheist? I bet many people have left never to return because of you. You badger and ridicule people for no reason at all with the most stupid and childish comment that I have ever seen. You are just another self impressed “FOOL” that loves attention>

        Grow up woman, and get a life!

         
  16. J.M.

    March 23, 2014 at 4:16 PM

    Re: “And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

    3686 ónoma – name; (figuratively) the manifestation or revelation of someone’s character, i.e. as distinguishing them from all others. Thus “praying in the name of Christ” means to pray as directed (authorized) by Him, bringing revelation that flows out of being in His presence. “Praying in Jesus’ name” therefore is not a “religious formula” just to end prayers (or get what we want)!

    [“According to Hebrew notions, a name is inseparable from the person to whom it belongs, i.e. it is something of his essence. Therefore, in the case of the God, it is specially sacred” (Souter).]

    My understanding of the word, “name” as used in the sense of, no other “name” under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved, has to to do with the “character” of The Messiah, of his essence. Today, if a “peace officer” knocks on the door & tells us he/she is here, in the “name” of the “law,” we know fairly well what he/she means, at least I think I do.

     
  17. Bobby G

    March 23, 2014 at 6:08 PM

    I have no idea how the pronunciation of God’s name is, because it has been hidden from us. He did say, however, “My people shall know my name”. I presume at some point his people (hopefully you and I) will be told how to pronounce it. The paleo writings use the four Hebrew letters Yud, hey, vav, hey,, which are the equivalent to YHWH in English. We must add vowels. Some say Yahweh, some say Yahuwah or even Yahuweh. Some say Jehovah, which is written 4 times in the KJV. Psalms 68:4 of the KJV says we are to sing praises unto his name “JAH” (written as Yah in Hebrew). Hope we all find out soon.

     
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 7:23 PM

      Bobby G
      @ >I have no idea how the pronunciation of God’s name is, because it has been hidden from us.

      I know this also, Bobby G. Why do we strain at gnats & swallow camels? Do you think it’s improper for his children to call him Father? Why is it written that he puts his LAWS ABOVE his name? Just food for thought. Here is another food for thought question following this statement. Let’s presume you have a child & your child says, Bobby, go into the kitchen & cook me up something to eat.. Now, how about this,> Your child asks, Daddy, will you please fix me something to eat, I’m hungry. Which seems to be proper. IF IF IF I had EVER called my Dad by his name, it would have been a disrespectful thing to do,but this is the way I was raised. & I would have received a whipping.

       
      • Bobby G

        March 24, 2014 at 6:49 PM

        J.M. Good points. I have learned that we (me included) sometimes take the bible literally. If you really put it into perspective, the bible is merely a book of storys and heresay. Who can prove any of it is even factual? How can we know 100% that “God created the heavens and earth”? Can that statement be proven? Sure, there are some truths in the bible, but there are some things that are incorrect, false, etc. Any thoughts J.M.

         
    • J.M.

      March 24, 2014 at 9:19 PM

      To: Bobby G.,
      Thank you, Bobby G for your message. You responded in a gentle way, not vindictive & I like that. Sometimes I respond to a slur with a slur back to slurring beast like “people.” But, I do so after they have browbeaten me to the point of despair. This is a fault I have not overcome YET. It has been my experience that the Holy Bible, in many ways, is LIKE a jigsaw puzzle in a box that must be put together. Some things are crystal clear on their face & some are not. However, I have found out that there is a good reason for this. Simply stated, it’s, “study to show yourself approved like the Bereans did. I have tried to ask some other people, PLEASE do not throw the writings of the Apostle away, completely, for NOW anyway. Put them under the bed, on the back burner or on the shelf, but please don’t throw them in the trash can. I said this because I have outgoing concern for others & I have tried in the past to say why. Apparently I do not have the “know how” to say why I ask people & for their sake,etc., to not throw “Paul’s writings” away completely. I think it’s rather odd that some of these people praise the “writings” of the Apostle Peter, with the exception of this, & that is, the Apostle Peter, says,

      2nd Peter 3
      14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

      Just as our “dear brother” Paul wrote about??? I don’t know how Paul can be called a “dear brother” by Peter, who others praise so much & yet despise the “writings” of Paul, & yet, Paul be so bad or considered bad. I guess it’s the “wisdom” that God gave him, Paul, that might be the “problem” that people do not understand. I do not understand SOME of the writings of Paul either. but I do know that there WAS a time that some of those absurd writings NOW are crystal clear & make sense. I am just waiting for some more to fall into place. BUT, they will NOT fall into place IF I DO NOT at least TRY to YIELD more to The Creator, Life giver & Sustainer of the Universe.

      Thanks again, Bobby G for responding in a straightforward way & in a “civil manner.” Appreciate this. Yes I do.

       
  18. Henry

    March 23, 2014 at 7:12 PM

    Some word study always helps.

    The word translated “saved” in Matthew 24:13 and Mark 13:13 is G4982 which elsewhere is translated “healed”.

    Matthew 9:22 Jesus turned and saw her. “Take heart, daughter,” he said, “your faith has healed you.” And the woman was healed at that moment.

    G4982 is also translated to “survive”:

    Matthew 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

    G4982 is translated “save” in different senses, too:

    Matthew 8:23-25 Then he got into the boat and his disciples followed him. Suddenly a furious storm came up on the lake, so that the waves swept over the boat. But Jesus was sleeping. The disciples went and woke him, saying, “Lord, save us! We’re going to drown!”

    Matthew 16:25 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.

    Luke 7:50 Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

     
    • J.M.

      March 27, 2014 at 12:44 PM

      Henious Henny,
      @ > Some word study always helps.

      ALL “Students” of the Bible think so. There are just “all” kinds of Students however. Martesn/Jetlag/Henry, et.al. like U IS.

       
  19. Peg-Powers

    March 23, 2014 at 7:42 PM

    (1) “I and my Father are one…..If you see me, you see the Father.” My brothers, even the demons are aware of His presence, and they tremble and flee without an announcement of His name or His office. Perhaps His name is “I AM”. Anyway, would any of us recognize Him if He knocked at our front door today?

    (2) And in what manner should we pray: “Our Father —-” (pater, pape, pop, padre, patr).

    (3) As for Prof. Michael Heizer mentioned above, he does not profess to be a Christian or a Protestant. It would be his job and duty to color the truth any way the political wind blows.

     
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 9:46 PM

      Peg-Powers
      March 23, 2014 at 7:42 PM
      @ >(1) “I and my Father are one…..If you see me, you see the Father.”

      Sometimes illustrations are used like this so we can at least get an idea of things we might not understand. They were ONE in a lot of ways,e.g. like minded,of ONE accord. BUT the “Father” IS still, Commander & Chief. His Son IS 2nd in Command. BUT his Father has GIVEN HIM OR WILL GIVE HIM ALL POWER. It’s just that he, The Son, WILL NOT ABUSE IT OR MISUSE IT.

       
      • J.M.

        March 24, 2014 at 7:25 AM

        @ >They were ONE in a lot of ways.
        Excuse me, They “ARE” ONE in a lot of ways,e.g. like minded,of ONE accord.

         
    • J.M.

      March 23, 2014 at 9:56 PM

      Peg-Powers,
      My messages are meant for anyone & I stand to be corrected by anyone except by those who have proven to be my enemies. Please don’t be offended by anything I say. If I do offend you please let me know & hopefully we can work it out.

       
      • Henry

        March 23, 2014 at 10:46 PM

        J.M. said, “…I stand to be corrected by anyone except by those who have proven to be my enemies.”

        That’s a great way to be defeated by your enemies, though really it’s a form of self-defeat by vanity.

        Often one’s enemies are the most important source of correction available.

         
  20. J.M.

    March 23, 2014 at 11:22 PM

    Henry
    March 23, 2014 at 10:46 PM
    @ > Often one’s enemies are the most important source of correction available.

    Thanks, Henry. moon, aka echo ears & Toland & Martens/Jetlag & MANY others will agree.

     
  21. moon

    March 23, 2014 at 11:54 PM

    Concerning a thread on this blog of May 7, 2013 entitled “On this rock I will build my church”- OK, but which “rock”?, I found some extremely interesting comments. As I was leaving the thread, I noticed the photo at the top of the thread. I’m wondering what the position of the right hand is saying. It must have some significance. I’d like to know what it means.

     
    • J.M.

      March 24, 2014 at 5:55 AM

      moon
      March 23, 2014 at 11:54 PM
      @ > On this rock I will build my church”- OK, but which “rock”

      moon,aka echo ears, Just don’t be telling Alfred that he has a demon like you did to me, like you say I have. What do you mean by saying, > As I was leaving this thread? Ohhh shoot, I see, you are leaving this thread, not this blog. DARN. Lemmee tell you something moonie, THAT ROCK is gonna CROWN you in yo haid shawtly THEN you will KNOW fo sho whoduh ROCK IS.!!!

       
    • Christian Gains

      March 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

      If Moon, you’ll recall, Yeshuah had just asked the Disciples “Who do people say that I am?”

      After they rambled a bit, Yeshuah asked: “And, who do YOU say that I am”? Kepha, [Hebrew for Peter] IMMEDIATELY responded “Thou are the Christ, the Son of the Living God”! And Yeshua answered & said unto him, Blessed art thou Simon Bar Jona {Hebrew way of saying Simon, you son of Jona}, for flesh and blood hath not revealed this unto you, but My Father, which is in heaven”, And I also say unto you, thou art Peter — (and here comes a MAJOR REASON for a schism between Catholics and Protestants) — and upon this rock will I build my Ecclesia” — [Matt.16:13 – 18]

      What “rock” would that be? The FACT that HE IS the Ha Messhiac (THE SAVIOR) & Son of the living Yah?…or, the fact that Kepha {Hebrew for Peter}, was, in fact blessed to know THAT “rock”?

      If the picture you refer to, is the one where Yeshua is standing, facing the viewer, but He has raised his right, hand and is gazing upwards, then I think that denotes which rock…

      (BTW — the word prevail, in this verse, meant to “withstand STRONGLY” when the KJV was written, but has since been changed to “overcome” — changing the impression that WE will be prevailing over those gates…we will be on the attack against them, and they shall NOT be able to withstand our attack)..

      My question is: “WHY would Yeshua build His ecclesia on a man who would deny Him three times, INSTEAD of building it upon the ROCK SOLID FOUNDATION of His authority as the Son of the living Yah?”. Would Yeshua want to build His ecclesia upon “fles and blood” — the equivelent of sand? OR, would HE choose a ROCK (of Godly authority), to build upon?

      I hope this is helpful!

       
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 2:31 AM

        miss gains

        @ > I FULLY and WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree, Edoms Thorn!!! J.M. so put me off that I determined not to waste ANY more time on ANY subject he speaks to…You’re ABSOLUTELY correct……”

        Sho he correct. He EDUCATED jus LIKE U Is, EDUCATED, Awe you-unns IS EDUCATED.

        BUt nunn uhh u-unns seem to unnuhstain whut duh wurd DERELICT mean. nunn uh yuh does. I admits I IS ghat a spehwin prahlum but I ain’t ghat NO EDUCATION prahlum. Dis duh prahlum.

         
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 2:44 AM

        GAINS,
        @ >(BTW — the word prevail, …..

        MOON doan need B noin whut duh wurd PREVAIL MEAN. He no whut it mean.blee meh, HE NO. I due 2. I no whut it, duh wurd PREVAIL mean. Sho due. blee meh

         
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 12:31 PM

        @ > miss christian

        @ >I FULLY and WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree, Edoms Thorn!!! J.M. so put me off that I determined not to waste ANY more time on ANY subject he speaks to…You’re ABSOLUTELY correct,………..”

        Whole-“heart” edly. < Dis heuh mainly duh reezun faw it. Duh udduh paht IS Be caw U EDUCATED. Bro THAUN EDUCATED TOO,

         
  22. Henry

    March 24, 2014 at 12:43 AM

    EDOMS THORN remarked: “I can not understand why AL ADASK allows you you to post on here J.M.”

    Read on, Edom.

    moon took note: “…extremely interesting comments.”

    Maybe these comments would be interesting to Edom as well, since he’s the latest victim of the infamous drama queen of Santa Fe: the super-troll Les Fuchs (a.k.a. “J.M.” this time around, after being banned for the umpteenth time).

    Read ’em here:

    https://adask.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/on-this-rock-i-will-build-my-church-ok-but-which-rock

     
    • moon

      March 24, 2014 at 1:12 AM

      Henry, great pick up there and an excellent idea posting the link. Why didn’t I think of that?

      I’m actually serious about the last part of my post which reads:

      As I was leaving the thread, I noticed the photo at the top of the thread. I’m wondering what the position of the right hand is saying. It must have some significance. I’d like to know what it means.

       
      • Henry

        March 24, 2014 at 1:30 AM

        moon,

        The position of Christ’s hand in that picture is used by certain Russian Orthodox when making the sign of the cross.

         
      • moon

        March 24, 2014 at 1:42 AM

        Henry, Thanks.

         
      • J.M.

        March 24, 2014 at 6:56 AM

        @ > ECHO EARS, & ALL OF THE REMAINDER OF YOUR KIND AFTER KIND

        You, ALL of you ARE GOOD right ARMS for YOUR FATHER. How is it you either know so much about the CROSS, or want to know MORE about the CROSS, rather than want to know about the ONE who WAS on the CROSS?? I shake my head in disbelief that some people are SO SHALLOW & cannot SEE what you are doing. The time may be shorter than even I thought it was ….IS, that is to say. Every DOG has ITS day is a true saying. Apparently every HOG does too.

         
    • J.M.

      March 24, 2014 at 6:06 AM

      @ > Read em here

      You guys almost have persuaded me to FINALLY click on the links you repeatedly provide for ALL others reading pleasure. BUT, I am afraid to click on the link. WHY?? Because I think it will cause me to have a virus. I’m serious. You are not suppose to say, “Read em here” you are supposed to say, READ ALL ABOUT IT. You guys really want me OFF this blog, it’s OBVIOUS. BUT, why is it more important to know who I am, than WHAT my messages SAY, like the 1st two or 3 on this thread. We sure do have a lot of Good Samaritans on this blog, that’s for sure. Henry, aka Martens Jetlag, aka TOLAND, et al. If I am such a JOKE why do you want me off??

       
      • Henry

        March 24, 2014 at 6:35 AM

        J.M. asked, “If I am such a JOKE why do you want me off??”

        Why did Alfred Adask want you off when he banned you multiple times and vowed to ban you again if you reappeared, Les Fuchs?

        If case you forgot, click and read the page linked in my previous post for a refresher.

         
    • J.M.

      March 24, 2014 at 6:23 AM

      >The sign of the cross.

      The CROSS IS, a symbol of SATAN. No wonder you whelps,echo ears, Toland, Henry, et.al, are interested IN the CROSS. You love the SONG, KNEEL at the CROSS TOO. YES, WORSHIP THE CROSS. I am more concerned about WHO WAS, not IS, but WAS on the Symbol of Satan, than just the CROSS. I know why you whelps want me off this blog. YOU KNOW people have itching ears AND EYES & YOU KNOW you are doing your damndest to direct people to READ ALL ABOUT IT so they will NOT pay ANY ATTENTION TO WHAT my messages SAY. LOOK, my messages are not from ME, for the most part. BUT, I know what you DID to my SAVIOR, so, it’s an honor to have YOU & YOUR ILK do the SAME to me. BUT IF this blog is going to be taken OVER by children of the devil, I’ll leave.

       
    • J.M.

      March 24, 2014 at 6:42 AM

      Henry <
      1st 3 letters in your name tells a lot, like in, CHICKEN. Hen, good name. You sound like Jetlag. sho due.

       
    • J.M.

      March 24, 2014 at 6:59 AM

      Hen/Chicken
      @ >Why did Alfred Adask want you off when he banned you multiple times and vowed to ban you again if you reappeared, Les Fuchs?

      You will have to ask THEM. I cannot speak for either one.

       
      • Henry

        March 24, 2014 at 7:12 AM

        Are you still posting from the Santa Fe area, Les?

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 25, 2014 at 1:52 PM

        J.M.

        You posted, …” Did you see where Israel just closed down ALL of its Embassies ALL OVER THE WORLD?? I have TRIED to tell others to “keep your eye on the Middle East.” Something BIG is brewing”….

        You do appear to be engaging in “MISS – Information and sensationalism there….
        FROM Jim Stones site it says CLEARLY that they are on “STRIKE”,,, You left that out. WHY?
        SEE? >>> …”(RT) “Israeli ambassadors abroad will not go to work, no consular services will be available, and Israel will not be represented at any international gatherings during the strike. Even the Foreign Ministry’s political leadership and management will be locked out.”…

        You have tried to what? GEE. What an astute observation of KNOWN Biblical FACTS.

         
    • EDOMS THORN

      March 24, 2014 at 1:30 PM

      Thanks Henry for confirming that this vermin is in deed a TROLL! Do you have any idea what “IT” is trying to accomplish? One thing that I see is he is trying to demonize the truth and truth tellers. the slanderous use of my name is reason enough to get him banned in my mind. Equating me with SATAN is slander in as much as he can not speak to my points nor refute me. I have provided nothing but facts based on sound research and observations here and at my site. EVIL hates truth and when evil can not refute truth with facts, it resorts to ridicule and slander.

      J.M.’s intelligence, honesty and intellectual courage is in question here. He spins those character FLAWS in a sick way, to his advantage, and use’s them to attack people. It is like calling some one a “RACIST”. Doing that makes people steer clear from you because no one want to be associated with such. In avoiding to have an adult conversation, and resorting to ridicule will result in the same thing.

      HOW much longer do we have to suffer this TROLL AL ADASK?

       
      • Christian Gains

        March 24, 2014 at 1:40 PM

        I FULLY and WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree, Edoms Thorn!!! J.M. so put me off that I determined not to waste ANY more time on ANY subject he speaks to…You’re ABSOLUTELY correct, he’s incredibly (in an evil sense) manipulative of facts and truths…much as Helel ben Shakar was when quizzing Eve: “Did Yah say…?” As with ALL “TROLLS”…J.M. simply distracts folks from truth & factual reality, over to innuendo and “slight-of-hand” inaccuracies and half truths! Get RID of his distraction PLEASE Al…

         
      • Henry

        March 24, 2014 at 4:35 PM

        EDOMS THORN:

        “Do you have any idea what “IT” is trying to accomplish? One thing that I see is he is trying to demonize the truth and truth tellers.”

        I agree. The internet is unfortunately known for this type of thing. The difference in this case is that Les Fuchs, alias J.M. at the moment, consistently crosses the line into personal attacks that justify a ban.

        “EVIL hates truth and when evil can not refute truth with facts, it resorts to ridicule and slander.”

        Exactly. I’ve been thinking of this troll’s problem as a serious case of infantile narcissism, a mental illness. Now that you mention it, “evil” is probably a better fit. Evil with manipulative deceit.

         
      • J.M.

        March 24, 2014 at 6:07 PM

        THORN, EDOM, you say,

        @> I do have a life beyond …”ASK ADASK”… and I certainly do not read every comment that is made here.The way you have written that post I can not discern just what and WHO said WHAT. You appear to have problems with many on here and I do not need to join in with your NONSENSE, to aide in bolstering your EGO!

        Greetings, THORNS in my side & heart The REASON you & the MANY others you say I have PROBLEMS with, not that YOU have problems with, that I have problems with is BECAUSE of

        Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. 2 Corinthians 4:4

         
      • J.M.

        March 24, 2014 at 11:05 PM

        EDOMS THORN
        March 24, 2014 at 8:21 PM < Your message.

        What about that “Bible Inerrancy" E.T.? It's refreshing to know that Psalm 22 is not another one of those additions &/or omissions &/or another falsely added on scripture.etc., It's good to SEE that at least you follow up on the AUTHORITY I used because what I said, will not be believed. Your authority WILL be believed. Thanks for helping me out there, E.T. Seems NOW like some people are changing horses in the middle of the stream. Also, E.T. I'm glad to see that you found A good point in The Message FROM Alfred Adask. I Thought every point was 100% right on. Well, I too have heard if you can't beat umm JOIN umm.

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 25, 2014 at 12:30 AM

        SO J.M. you believe that GOD hid His Name from us even tho He said that His Name was the only name by which “WE” are saved? You believe that “EASTER” belongs in the KJV of the Bible?

        A DOUBLE MINDED MAN IS UNSTABLE IN ALL OF HIS WAYS J.M. >>> Think well before you answer.

         
      • J.M.

        March 24, 2014 at 11:11 PM

        EDOMS THORN,
        @ > Not to mention telling you that I have ZERO idea what you are talking about.

        Really ?? That’s a surprise.

         
      • J.M.

        March 25, 2014 at 2:37 AM

        EDOMS THORN,
        @ > Not to mention telling you that I have ZERO idea what you are talking about.

        I understand that. I get that. But what I do not understand IS, WHY do YOU, Thorn in my heart & side KEEP ASKING ME QUESTIONS when you admit you have ZERO idea about what I am talking about? SEE, THORN, I do understand what YOU are talking about. I’m tired. Going to TRY & rest. Pray for me Amy. I hate to beg like a dog for a bone but I need to REST. & I need strength to carry on. Did you see where Israel just closed down ALL of its Embassies ALL OVER THE WORLD?? I have TRIED to tell others to “keep your eye on the Middle East.” Something BIG is brewing. Oh yes it is. It could be a false flag BUT WHY close down ALL the Embassies???

         
      • J.M.

        March 25, 2014 at 10:01 AM

        THORN in my heart & side, YOU ASK,
        @ > HOW much longer do we have to suffer this TROLL AL ADASK?

        THORN, this IS a very disrespectful way to use the Name & Family Name of Alfred Adask. Better be careful. You are now degrading the wrong one Hoss. Why don’t you apologize & say you didn’t mean this. I WOULD.

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 25, 2014 at 10:08 AM

        J.M.

        Why don’t you do us a favor and follow in the foot steps of “JUDAS” and your “FRIENDS”?

         
      • Tony

        March 26, 2014 at 3:58 AM

        I think the poor dude is seriously and substantially mentally ill.

        Would kinda explain things, wouldn’t it?

         
      • J.M.

        March 26, 2014 at 10:19 AM

        THORN,
        @ >SO J.M. you believe that GOD hid His Name from us even tho He said that His Name was the only name by which “WE” are saved? You believe that “EASTER” belongs in the KJV of the Bible?

        @ > A DOUBLE MINDED MAN IS UNSTABLE IN ALL OF HIS WAYS J.M. >>> Think well before you answer.

        These questions have been answered before. It’s just that you have an understanding comprehension problem. I know what paschal means & it’s not my fault that the word was translated into Easter & the ONLY time. Every other time, it was translated, Passover. But I doubt very seriously that YOU, THORN, know what Passover IS, other than It is another thing that has been ABOLISHED, RIGHT?? It doesn’t matter that The Messiah says to REMEMBER this DAY DOES IT THORN??? This is just ANOTHER ADDITIONAL ADD ON WORD, RIGHT, THORN??? WHO is DOUBLE MINDED ?? YOU Double STANDARD HYPOCRITE.

         
      • J.M.

        March 26, 2014 at 11:10 AM

        THORN, aka GOATHEAD, you ask,
        @ >Why don’t you do us a favor and follow in the foot steps of “JUDAS” and your “FRIENDS”?

        Because I don’t want to be like YOU & YOURS!!! That’s WHY !! OR, IS this just TOO MUCH FOR YOU TO GRASP WITH ALL YO EDUCATION ??. Hey moon, aka ECHO EARS, Am I doin a good job faw ya??? U, better start brushin UP ON YO PEEVIN OFF QUALITIES. PROUD of me AIN”T CHA. Just so you know you ain’t doin a very good job of discouraging me, HOSS. NO WAY, HOZAY.

         
      • J.M.

        March 26, 2014 at 11:19 AM

        EDOMS THORN
        March 24, 2014 at 8:21 PM
        @ > INTERESTING…

        It IS. Why is that> You mean with ALL YO EDUCATION YOU DIDN”T KNOW ABOUT THIS BE-FO??

        First time you thought about this??? That’s interesting.

         
      • Henry

        March 26, 2014 at 4:16 PM

        This is what happens when you feed a troll.

        You don’t engage in conversation with a PONTIFICATING bum downtown who hasn’t bathed or talked sense in months, do you?

        Same thing here. You’re only starting something you can’t finish.

        Pity, yes. Some spare change, maybe. Conversation, no.

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 26, 2014 at 6:39 PM

        Henry you are correct. BUT I should not have to ‘finish’ it. This is Al Adask’s site and if he is willing to tolerate the likes of J.M. to abuse those that visit and comment here what do I care. Al must have a reason for it, it may serve some purpose that WE just don’t get. It may be his love of free speech, but free speech is not free when it is used to slander and misrepresent what someone says. Nor should stating something as fact about what some one thinks when there is no evidence of it i.e. not written here,

        I operate a blog and would not put up with such rudeness. I do allow a bit of off topic comments but if I ask a question or make a point and it is ignored and they continue with the same nonsense their comments are removed. Anthony Clifton is bad about that. I would not allow a visitor to my site to be treated in any fashion that I have received here. Both here and my site I present facts and back them up, and in fairness those facts have not been refuted, and I am attacked as if I have been refuted or as if I said nothing at all.

        I did not make people believe what ever it is that they believe, I point out facts that make people uncomfortable because it shows that they have been deceived and PRIDE gets in the way of people even researching and PROVING if what I have presented is the truth or not. The Bible says to prove all things. TRUTH is not SUBJECTIVE. If it is not truth then there is proof of the error. Ignoring the truth does not make it go away. I have been deceived or believed a lie, but I do not want to believe lies, I want truth, so I set my mind to trying to PROVE ALL THINGS. I have not been refuted as of yet. That is just the plain truth of the matter. I am talking about these four articles I wrote, >>>
        When you have put all of this together, this is the only thing that makes sense.
        “Why don’t these scriptures fit the so called “Gods Chosen”?
        “EDOM: The Story Of Jacob And Esau Is Not Just A Story”
        “The SYNAGOGUE Of SATAN: EDOMS PLAYGROUND”
        “GENOCIDE, INFESTATION, INFILTRATION: The Beginning”

        ANOTHER FACT is it is easy to ignore something and that is what I have come to expect from MOST people, the are “uncomfortable” with what I have discovered.

        I see no one could call me a liar about that link below>
        …”Here is a link I found that give a deeper look at EDOM than my article.
        Remove the “&” and push it to make a link!!
        http: & //www.mission to Israel. org/ mystery-of-gentiles/chapter10.php

        I also see that it is ignored. WHY?

        Great blog here. I must come back…

         
      • Henry

        March 26, 2014 at 7:26 PM

        Edom > “Al must have a reason for it, it may serve some purpose that WE just don’t get.”

        Evidently so. Al did ban Les Fuchs multiple times about a year ago. Something’s changed, or been re-purposed.

        It seems even the grandiose hostility of a crazy bum has its uses, if properly directed.

         
      • Toland

        March 26, 2014 at 8:47 PM

        @Henry “You don’t engage in conversation with a PONTIFICATING bum downtown who hasn’t bathed or talked sense in months, do you?”

        Les Fuchs is probably holding out for that special day when “daddy” Alfred invites him over for a bubble bath and appoints him his Boy Wonder.

         
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 2:12 AM

        THAUN, U SEZ,
        @ >Henry you are correct.

        SHO HE CORRECT. Only EDUCATED People like U & HE IS, “Cain” unnuhstain .

         
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 11:27 PM

        EDOMS THORN,

        @ > You have tried to what? GEE. What an astute observation of KNOWN Biblical FACTS.

        Unlike YOU, E.T. I gittin EDUCATED. I am beginning to SEE too. THAUN, U EDUCATED, I gittin EDUCATED. THAUN, YOU SEE. I JUST GITTIN TO SEE. See what I’m sayin???

        Once AGAIN, EDOMS THORN, WHY don’t you START PREACHING about what Israel NEEDS to DO > 2nd Chronicles 7:14 < What is WRONG with what 2nd Chronicles 7:14 SAYS ??? IS 2nd Chronicles 7:14 ANOTHER tampered with OR ADD ON scripture?? Maybe so.Mr Moon says it is only another ECHO, AND illusion FROM "a god." SEE EDOMS, The Elohim, is just an illusion & just another ECHO FROM "a god" So, E.T., tell me, IS 2nd Chronicles 7:14, just another ADDon, OR tampered with scripture? Mr Moon SAY what it IS. YOU, E.T. tell me what it is from your EDUCATED KNOWLEDGE. Mr Moon just might BE RIGHT !!!

         
    • J.M.

      March 24, 2014 at 10:15 PM

      HENNY, You ain’t worth a penny, not ONE cent because you don’t have ANY SENSE.
      @ > Are you still posting from the Santa Fe area, Les?

      You Henny “worthless” than a penny have repeatedly called me, J.M., Les,& ALL the other aka -s -is, Soooo, I, J.M., will respond to YOU, HENNY WORTHLESS than a PENNY, for the LAST time. I think I have lost Amy, anyway, which IS very understandable.Yes indeed. Henny, WHY is the “physical” location of WHERE my messages are coming FROM the only thing that’s important to YOU & your kind?? HUH? Are YOU, HENNY, so SHALLOW that you CANNOT even REMOTELY SEE that you have ANY degree of shallowness?? Sure seems that way to me, J.M. This IS my LAST message to YOU HENNY “WORTHLESS” THAN A PENNY, A child of SATAN, you are, SO is ECHO EARS,TOLAND Too many to list. I have the AUTHORITY to SAY this. NOT from Alfred Adask, but FROM a HIGHER AUTHORITY.

       
    • J.M.

      March 25, 2014 at 5:14 AM

      To all children of the devil
      @ >“EVIL hates truth and when evil can not refute truth with facts, it resorts to ridicule and slander.”

      That IS the TRUTH. SEE, even the agents of Satan use truth BUT, to try and persuade in reverse what the TRUTH is. Keep up the good work. You beastly pricks are actually HELPING me out sometimes. Never thought you could be helping did you? BUT, sad to say maybe ONLY ONE or TWO will be able to discern what’s what & WHO IS WHO. You are right, “EVIL hates truth and when evil can not refute truth with facts, it resorts to ridicule and slander.” Slander me summ mo.

       
    • Christian Gains

      March 25, 2014 at 2:33 PM

      Well Henry, you’ve just “made my day”! Glad to see that Al Adask agrees with me! Also, (to Moon), I see that the picture I was thinking about is NOT the one Al used…but Yeshua is still NOT pointing towards Kepha, but the Artist has Him assuming a VERY Catholic hand position the indicates blessing God…)

       
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 2:05 AM

        MISS GAIN,
        @ > Well Henry, you’ve just “made my day”

        U needs 2B mo cunsurned batu yo E TURN NEE TEE. Doan cha thank??

         
    • J.M.

      March 27, 2014 at 2:53 AM

      HEN aka CHICKEN, supp, you say,
      @ EDOMS THORN remarked: “I can not understand why AL ADASK allows you you to post on here J.M.”
      It B back to dat EDUCATION PRAHLUM. He EDUCATED jus lak U IS.

      @ > Read on, Edom.

      See whut I’m sayin? How U speck awe ask a MANE to REEDS when duhh mane have a reedin UNNUHSTAININ PRAHLUMM?

       
  23. Robert Snyder

    March 24, 2014 at 1:46 AM

    Oh so true for these times Al! I just don’t know how much more of this I can endure? Guess I’ll just keep on keeping on.

     
  24. MPK

    March 24, 2014 at 8:23 AM

    He who stands firm in the lord shall be saved even unto the end. ( now this is very clear unto the meaning ). The bible does not lie, the words written are correct, but to understand them one must seek the lord and the comforter sent by the son of GOD will guide you unto the answers. Those who are wicked will not understand this for they have no wisdom and do not understand them and therefore they reject the bible, as one does not filled with the holy sprit, and ones name that is not in the books of life.

    If you need another to explain it to you, then you know not the truth already, nor are you understanding that you are in the last generation that will see all things completed. Look into yourself for the problem of not understanding and which lies within your self, and of the doubt that you have that the words are a mistake, or a lie, if its a lie, then you are a liar, unto your self and towards others who understand the meanings within the bible. Blame not the words written, nor accuse others of misunderstanding.

    A right chess man need not fear in the lord when he seeks the lord forgiveness, and is given understanding, and the wisdom to do good unto others and keep the ten commandments, and help others to understand to seek the lord for guidance to which he does give.

    MPK

     
    • J.M.

      March 27, 2014 at 10:07 PM

      MPK
      @ >If you need another to explain it to you,…………..

      It’s probably me not knowing for sure what you, MPK are saying, when I consider, Mark 16:15
      So, help me to know what I’m missing.or not understanding here.

      @ > Look into yourself for the problem of not understanding and which lies within your self,…..

      Same thing here, when I consider what John 2:25 says. What am I missing or not understanding here???

      @ A right chess man……

      What is a right chess man???

      Below is your entire message, if this will be easier for you to see why I am asking the questions I am asking you. Help me out here.

      He who stands firm in the lord shall be saved even unto the end. ( now this is very clear unto the meaning ). The bible does not lie, the words written are correct, but to understand them one must seek the lord and the comforter sent by the son of GOD will guide you unto the answers. Those who are wicked will not understand this for they have no wisdom and do not understand them and therefore they reject the bible, as one does not filled with the holy sprit, and ones name that is not in the books of life.

      If you need another to explain it to you, then you know not the truth already, nor are you understanding that you are in the last generation that will see all things completed. Look into yourself for the problem of not understanding and which lies within your self, and of the doubt that you have that the words are a mistake, or a lie, if its a lie, then you are a liar, unto your self and towards others who understand the meanings within the bible. Blame not the words written, nor accuse others of misunderstanding.

      A right chess man need not fear in the lord when he seeks the lord forgiveness, and is given understanding, and the wisdom to do good unto others and keep the ten commandments, and help others to understand to seek the lord for guidance to which he does give.

       
  25. My3Suns

    March 24, 2014 at 9:46 AM

    The following passages are not from the Bible, they are from the Urantia Book. Life and Teachings of Jesus, (Paper 187) refutes the argument that Jesus felt some sort of betrayal in his last hours on the cross – uttering these words, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

    Just thought I’d share…

    From paper 187:
    (2010.3) 187:5.2 Shortly after one o’clock, amidst the increasing darkness of the fierce sandstorm, Jesus began to fail in human consciousness. His last words of mercy, forgiveness, and admonition had been spoken. His last wish — concerning the care of his mother — had been expressed. During this hour of approaching death the human mind of Jesus resorted to the repetition of many passages in the Hebrew scriptures, particularly the Psalms. The last conscious thought of the human Jesus was concerned with the repetition in his mind of a portion of the Book of Psalms now known as the twentieth, twenty-first, and twenty-second Psalms. While his lips would often move, he was too weak to utter the words as these passages, which he so well knew by heart, would pass through his mind. Only a few times did those standing by catch some utterance, such as, “I know the Lord will save his anointed,” “Your hand shall find out all my enemies,” and “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Jesus did not for one moment entertain the slightest doubt that he had lived in accordance with the Father’s will; and he never doubted that he was now laying down his life in the flesh in accordance with his Father’s will. He did not feel that the Father had forsaken him; he was merely reciting in his vanishing consciousness many Scriptures, among them this twenty-second Psalm, which begins with “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” And this happened to be one of the three passages which were spoken with sufficient clearness to be heard by those standing by.

    (2008.7) 187:3.6 Jesus had purposed to live without resort to his supernatural power, and he likewise elected to die as an ordinary mortal upon the cross. He had lived as a man, and he would die as a man — doing the Father’s will.

    THE FATHER AND HIS KINGDOM –
    (1856.1) 169:4.3 You learn about God from Jesus by observing the divinity of his life, not by depending on his teachings. From the life of the Master you may each assimilate that concept of God which represents the measure of your capacity to perceive realities spiritual and divine, truths real and eternal. The finite can never hope to comprehend the Infinite except as the Infinite was focalized in the time-space personality of the finite experience of the human life of Jesus of Nazareth.

    (1856.2) 169:4.4 Jesus well knew that God can be known only by the realities of experience; never can he be understood by the mere teaching of the mind. Jesus taught his apostles that, while they never could fully understand God, they could most certainly know him, even as they had known the Son of Man. You can know God, not by understanding what Jesus said, but by knowing what Jesus was. Jesus was a revelation of God.

    (1856.3) 169:4.5 Except when quoting the Hebrew scriptures, Jesus referred to Deity by only two names: God and Father. And when the Master made reference to his Father as God, he usually employed the Hebrew word signifying the plural God (the Trinity) and not the word Yahweh, which stood for the progressive conception of the tribal God of the Jews.

    (1856.4) 169:4.6 Jesus never called the Father a king, and he very much regretted that the Jewish hope for a restored kingdom and John’s proclamation of a coming kingdom made it necessary for him to denominate his proposed spiritual brotherhood the kingdom of heaven. With the one exception — the declaration that “God is spirit” — Jesus never referred to Deity in any manner other than in terms descriptive of his own personal relationship with the First Source and Center of Paradise.

    (1856.5) 169:4.7 Jesus employed the word God to designate the idea of Deity and the word Father to designate the experience of knowing God. When the word Father is employed to denote God, it should be understood in its largest possible meaning. The word God cannot be defined and therefore stands for the infinite concept of the Father, while the term Father, being capable of partial definition, may be employed to represent the human concept of the divine Father as he is associated with man during the course of mortal existence.

    (1856.6) 169:4.8 To the Jews, Elohim was the God of gods, while Yahweh was the God of Israel. Jesus accepted the concept of Elohim and called this supreme group of beings God. In the place of the concept of Yahweh, the racial deity, he introduced the idea of the fatherhood of God and the world-wide brotherhood of man. He exalted the Yahweh concept of a deified racial Father to the idea of a Father of all the children of men, a divine Father of the individual believer. And he further taught that this God of universes and this Father of all men were one and the same Paradise Deity.

    (1856.7) 169:4.9 Jesus never claimed to be the manifestation of Elohim (God) in the flesh. He never declared that he was a revelation of Elohim (God) to the worlds. He never taught that he who had seen him had seen Elohim (God). But he did proclaim himself as the revelation of the Father in the flesh, and he did say that whoso had seen him had seen the Father. As the divine Son he claimed to represent only the Father.

    (1857.1) 169:4.10 He was, indeed, the Son of even the Elohim God; but in the likeness of mortal flesh and to the mortal sons of God, he chose to limit his life revelation to the portrayal of his Father’s character in so far as such a revelation might be comprehensible to mortal man. As regards the character of the other persons of the Paradise Trinity, we shall have to be content with the teaching that they are altogether like the Father, who has been revealed in personal portraiture in the life of his incarnated Son, Jesus of Nazareth.

    (1857.2) 169:4.11 Although Jesus revealed the true nature of the heavenly Father in his earth life, he taught little about him. In fact, he taught only two things: that God in himself is spirit, and that, in all matters of relationship with his creatures, he is a Father. On this evening Jesus made the final pronouncement of his relationship with God when he declared: “I have come out from the Father, and I have come into the world; again, I will leave the world and go to the Father.”

    (1857.3) 169:4.12 But mark you! never did Jesus say, “Whoso has heard me has heard God.” But he did say, “He who has seen me has seen the Father.” To hear Jesus’ teaching is not equivalent to knowing God, but to see Jesus is an experience which in itself is a revelation of the Father to the soul. The God of universes rules the far-flung creation, but it is the Father in heaven who sends forth his spirit to dwell within your minds.

    (1857.4) 169:4.13 Jesus is the spiritual lens in human likeness which makes visible to the material creature Him who is invisible. He is your elder brother who, in the flesh, makes known to you a Being of infinite attributes whom not even the celestial hosts can presume fully to understand. But all of this must consist in the personal experience of the individual believer. God who is spirit can be known only as a spiritual experience. God can be revealed to the finite sons of the material worlds, by the divine Son of the spiritual realms, only as a Father. You can know the Eternal as a Father; you can worship him as the God of universes, the infinite Creator of all existences.

     
    • J.M.

      March 24, 2014 at 7:40 PM

      My3Suns,
      @ he was merely reciting in his vanishing consciousness many Scriptures, among them this twenty-second Psalm, which begins with “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” And this happened to be one of the three passages which were spoken with sufficient clearness to be heard by those standing by.

      Very eloquently expressed, your entire message, but we have a little problem here. How did King David DIE??? He certainly was NOT crucified, I KNOW how David died. But, IF there IS anyone who cares to KNOW, the Scriptures say HOW King David DIED.Study LIKE I have & still do.LIKE the Bereans. PSALM 22 IS A PROPHECY about the FUTURE coming Messiah. Why did you leave out verse 16

      16 For [like a pack of] dogs they have encompassed me; a company of evildoers has encircled me, they pierced my hands and my feet.

      YES, like a pack of DOGS they ” encompassed” HIM, THE MESSIAH. I too am being “encompassed” With the SAME Kind. Kind after kind.

      merely reciting, huh??? As to the remainder of your message, My3Sun. & your SHARING, people are just going to have to arrive at their own conclusions. I have already said more than I should have. I am thinking about who NOT to cast PEARLS to.

       
      • Lawernce Kenemore Jr

        March 24, 2014 at 8:09 PM

        Excellent response

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 24, 2014 at 8:21 PM

        INTERESTING….

        Psalm 22:16 is foretelling the Crucifixion of Messiah and clearly points out the EVIL that came from the Synagogue, Psalm 22:16 ” For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet”… As for the “dogs” notice Jeremiah 31:27 …”Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast”… (I believe that “Seed of Beast” is talking about the infestation of the seed JUDAH with the seed EDOM, as we KNOW that EDOM was in control of Jerusalem in Messiah’s day.)

        And notice what Paul (the repentant, converted ISRAELITE, said of those EDOMITES) said of those TALMUDIC JEWS.
        I Thessalonians 2:14-15 “For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men” (“and are contrary to all men” Isn’t that SILL the truth!)

         
  26. J.M.

    March 24, 2014 at 6:02 PM

    According to these latest documents, there are paid government agent/contractor persons on social media posing as someone they are not, whilst on the payroll of the government. Their job is to befriend members of the alternative media, embed themselves in the ebb and flow of day-to-day communications, and then to engage in elaborate subterfuge – by any means necessary. The training exercise below uses terms like “befriend”, “infiltrate”, “mask/mimic”, “ruse”, “set-up”, “disrupt”, “create cognitive stress”, “use deception”, “ruin business relationships”, and “post negative information on appropriate forums” – all of which is not only illegal and morally bankrupt, but also runs completely contrary to the very fundamental ‘values’ and indeed founding principles, of a modern free democratic society or constitutional republic.

    Government targets in this malicious operation appear to be bloggers, activists, journalists, social event organisers and anyone else deemed to be a ‘emerging leader’ or voice in the public sphere, or alternative media online.

    This obviously extends way beyond the practice of employing paid ‘trolls’ to pollute comment sections and redirect forum threads – which still exists under both government and corporate umbrellas.

    To pollute comment??? HOW??? Does this have anything to do with “SOME” of my messages not completely going through, posting completely?

    redirect forum threads??? will ANYONE be so kind as to give an example of what this means & how it is done? THANKS !!!! ONE Inquiring mind WANTS to know. I have asked others commenting on this blog about the above message, e.g.moon, aka ECHO EARS, & “others” who are even posting scriptures to explain the above message because I can hardly GRASP if what I am reading or have read istrue. It’s like, This is too awful. Maybe I am not understanding what it appears to be saying. BUT, NOBODY WILL respond to my PLEAS for help on this matter. NOBODY!!! I misplaced the source of the above message, but, I know now where to find the source & I will post same in a few minutes, OR I will TRY too.

     
    • Christian Gains

      March 25, 2014 at 2:39 PM

      JM, you’re CERTAINLY living up to your billing there! Folks! the BEST way to prevent a “agent provocatur” is to ignore him…do NOT respond to his distracting missives…just pass him by…he’ll grow tired of it and seek other “greener” blogs that aren’t aware of his nefarious intentions.

       
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 2:00 AM

        miss Christian,
        JM, you’re CERTAINLY living up to your billing there!

        There, or, HERE??? See the BIG DEFERRENCE.(< hey THAUN did I spez dat wurd rite in yo EDUCATED opinion) The BIG DIFFERENCE miss Gain IS I don't want TOP BILLING on this Blog. BUT, I SHO seems 2 B gittin what I DON"T WANT becaw uhh peepuz like U & yo kind IS. no whut I means? Huh?? Unnuhstain whut I'm tawkin baut?? Huh ??

         
  27. J.M.

    March 24, 2014 at 6:14 PM

    To WHOEVER, YOU know who YOU are

    How many of you “so called Christians” made any comment ABOUT the MESSAGE FROM Alfred Adask. THIS MESSAGE can be found by scrolling to the TOP of this thread & begins there.This message, FROM Alfred Adask IS NOT “your cup of tea, however.

     
    • EDOMS THORN

      March 24, 2014 at 6:53 PM

      Hello J.M. Yet another comment from you that appears to have been made solely to ridicule or belittle anyone that has posted a comment here. What is the reason for such behavior? I posted ONE to Al Adask that was “ON TOPIC” and I received one response that understood that I had shared with the readers a pertinent point, and that was Lawernce Kenemore Jr.. I do not mind that no one commented on the FACT that I provide AL ADASK with scripture that PROVED his point. I do not care that everyone did not praise me for doing what I felt led to do. I do not care if some has something to say that is “off topic” BUT I do hate it when someone asks questions and then ignores my answers and does not even act like they have read it or understood it. I hate it when someone PRETENDS that they do not understand what they read, and will not even research the topic and evidence provided, solely for the opportunity to ridicule, and make me appear to be in error, with out providing any proof of an error.
      My comment had nothing to do with “True Israel” or “EDOM” by the way, and I am sorry for that, because I know how you hunger for more facts on that subject.

       
      • J.M.

        March 24, 2014 at 8:03 PM

        THORN
        @ > THORN in my heart, you say, > ” I hate it when someone PRETENDS that they do not understand what they read…………..”

        YOU, THORN HATE a lot of things. AT LEAST we have that much in COMMON. It’s just that we DIFFER on the things we hate. READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN. I ASKED: > How many of you “so called Christians” made any comment ABOUT the MESSAGE FROM Alfred Adask. I KNOW that I did not put a question mark. I just wanted to SEE if you would respond because of the omitted question mark. IT WORKED. YOU DID RESPOND. Just one more example of HOW you, THORN in my side & heart UNDERSTAND some things. I may very well, as YOU THORN say, have a reading comprehension PROBLEM but it seems to me, YOU, THORN, have a reading UNDERSTANDING problem. Quit straining at gnats & SWALLOWING ELEPHANTS. IF your heart WAS/IS contrite, THORN you could & would understand.

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 24, 2014 at 8:36 PM

        I knew you “omitted” the question mark (?) from that comment JUST for my benefit, and I thank you for providing me with the opportunity to point out just what an IDIOT I thi…. no, I KNOW you are. Not to mention telling you that I have ZERO idea what you are talking about. Straining at gnats? You make such profound comments. I am in AWE….

         
      • Christian Gains

        March 25, 2014 at 2:47 PM

        Dump him ET…he’s wasting our time, when we COULD be having a PRODUCTIVE discourse…just DO NOT respond to him anymore…We’d MUCH prefer to hear what YOU have to say to us, then what you have TO say to JM…He’s baiting you and distracting you, and causing EXACTLY what he’s paid to cause…dissension! Division! IMHO you must DUMP him!

         
  28. Amy

    March 24, 2014 at 7:58 PM

    Proverbs 26:21

    Matthew 7:6

    Shalom!!

     
    • J.M.

      March 24, 2014 at 11:24 PM

      Amy,
      Shalom to you dear one. IF I can “endure” until I die, I look forward to meeting you.

       
      • moon

        March 25, 2014 at 11:02 AM

        Easy, big boy, remain focused, stand firm. You are enduring very well. When you die, you’ll be with me. You’re mine, big boy. Never forget who controls the demons.

         
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 9:14 AM

        To Amy,
        I said previously, look forward to meeting you.. I take that statement back. No, You have turned out to be JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. Have your BEST foot FORWARD ONLY to make an IMPRESSION. NOOOOOO !!! I DO NOT LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING YOU. NOT at this point & time & place. NOOOOO WAAAAY.

         
    • J.M.

      March 27, 2014 at 7:40 PM

      Amy. you say,
      @ >THIS is abhorrent. I am disgusted by this…no believer I know would speak to anyone like this!!!!
      No believer you know?? Thanks. You sho doan know many, IF ANY ALL OUT FOR BEAR believers. The KIND of believer I am, anyway. SHO, we ALL believe SOME things alike. I try to believe ALL things instructed, the “instructions” aka the 10 “suggestions” etc. THIS IS WHY we have ALL the denominations we do. BUT, ALL these denominations agree on SOMETHING, alike. They just don’t agree on 99% of ALL THINGS, just one or maybe 2 things. Remember now, don’t be sending me anymore FODDER. It 2 hard 2 CHEW. Fodder faw ANIMALS. I ain’t NO ANIMAL. Cose I nose you disagree wid dat.

       
  29. Toland

    March 24, 2014 at 8:25 PM

    @Henry

    > “Are you still posting from the Santa Fe area, Les?”

    Funny how chatterbox Les Fuchs, a.k.a. “J.M.”, stays silent on this question.

     
    • J.M.

      March 27, 2014 at 7:58 PM

      @ >Toland
      @ > March 26, 2014 at 8:47 PM
      @ > Henry “You don’t engage in conversation with a PONTIFICATING bum downtown who hasn’t bathed or talked sense in months, do you?”

      U duhh PONTIFF. As far as bathing goes, I takes a BAFF WUNST ehh-reh SIX munts E-umm If I doan needs 2. I blee in CLEANLINESS !! Now, plee doan B misunnuhstainin heuh, I sho nuff mite B O-wuh doin it, it a habit wid-meh. It’s jus dat I BLEE in PRISTINE CLEANLINESS.. I ain like mos people IN ANYTHANG I DUZ. Be payshunt widmeh. I jus mite B comin raun. ONE THANG ALL uhh-us needs to loin IS PATIENCE PATIENCE PATIENCE.

       
  30. Henry

    March 24, 2014 at 9:00 PM

    EDOMS THORN,

    Les Fuchs got skillz, actually.

    The purpose of this type of troll is not to engage in discussion, but rather to shut down discussion. Right now, that’s YOUR discussion of a topic which Les Fuchs does not want discussed.

    I’d say the troll has been somewhat successful in this regard, since most of the content you now post is in reply to Les Fuchs’ retarded provocations rather than your own pursuit of truth. Pretty soon you’ll get disgusted and chuck your whole project. “Successful toll is successful!”

    Les called you “THORN in my side & heart”.

    Get it, Edom’s Thorn?

     
    • EDOMS THORN

      March 24, 2014 at 9:34 PM

      Henry are you saying J.M. is an EDOMITE JEW? I thought that may be the case, it is a good possibility.

      Trolls do try to turn the conversation from what the topic is, into anything but a conversation that will benefit anyone. They fill up the boards with idiotic name calling and innuendo, pushing relevant comments out of sight and turning people of so they will leave before they have a chance to read the comments that the TROLL does not like.. I usually don’t feed the trolls but I was hoping that he would be removed after ALL of this attention to the FACT that he is a TROLL!

      I have a hard time staying on topic, because what I want to talk about will NEVER be the TOPIC, so I try to get in ON TOPIC, and proceed to move in the direction that is a WHOLE lot more important than the topic at hand. That is why I am attacked by the trolls on the internet. MY topic, if it became common knowledge, could set the N.W.O. back fifty years, or the EDOMITE (ELITE) would have to bomb us into the N;W;O. WELL, that is in my honest EDUCATED opinion.

      I.H.S.

      E.T.

       
      • J.M.

        March 25, 2014 at 1:57 AM

        @ > I.H.S.

        IF I.H.S means In His Service, sure you are. I know WHO “HE” IS tho.

        @ > that is in my honest EDUCATED opinion.

        Why does an EDUCATED Individual as YOU, THORN, are, keep demanding to have an “ADULT” conversation with an UNEDUCATED Man, as I am?? Heck, Even a dunce like me knows better than that. WHEN are YOU, THORN going to start PROCLAIMING what Israel should be DOING instead of just saying WHO Israel IS??? btw, has ANYBODY seen the latest “Before It’s News Release?? I have said before, keep your eye on the Middle East.

        ,

         
      • Henry

        March 25, 2014 at 2:42 AM

        ET,

        I’m just pointing out what JM says JM is.

        > “I usually don’t feed the trolls but I was hoping that he would be removed after ALL of this attention to the FACT that he is a TROLL!”

        It’s odd how this hope, shared by many, has been in vain, especially since Les Fuchs has been removed so many times before and has now so obviously reappeared as JM.

        Maybe something’s up on the DL.

         
      • J.M.

        March 26, 2014 at 9:41 AM

        To Whoever,
        I recall the 1st time I saw the Godfather Movie starring Marlon Brando. When the “Godfather” died, Michael, his eldest, I think, Son was to inherit the “throne.” Michael had a younger brother who thought he should have that position. Michael asked him why. The younger brother said, because, I’M SMART. I laughed so hard the people, said, be quite, shhhh. The thing funnier than the younger brother saying, I’M SMART, was the LOOK on Michael’s face. I had to go to the lobby to keep from distracting other people. I guess I was the only one who laughed. What makes me laugh even harder, is when I read EDOM THORNS comment as follows:

        that is in my honest EDUCATED opinion.

        EDUCATED, say it wunce mo, EDUCATED, 1 mo time, EDUCATED, blee I unnuhstain yo dah Edom, say it fo – fi time faw meh. EDUCATED EDUCATED EDUCATED EDUCATED. I heah U Edom Thaun. Say Edoms, whut do do dis wurd > vain, < whut do it means ? Huh? whut do it, duh wurd, vain, means? Say what?? Say yo nev-uhhs hurd dat wurd. Weh din, whut do dis wurd heah means, VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN ?

        teh me wunce mo Edoms, whut U IS. Say U IS, EDUCATED. Lord help us.

        P.S. I believe if you kindhearted folks will ask moon, aka ECHO EARS, to BAN me, this WILL get the job done. I'm serious.

         
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 1:38 AM

        E. THAUN, you sez,

        @ >I knew you “omitted” the question mark (?) from that comment JUST for my benefit,

        SHO U due. DAT CAW U EDUCATED !!! U VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNN 2

         
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 5:43 PM

        THAUN
        @ > I have a hard time staying on topic, because what I want to talk about ……….”

        Say what, Thaun ??? I -I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I- Because of what I want to talk about Because of what I want to talk about Because of what I want to talk about Because of what I want to talk about.. YOU VAIN THAUN, THAUN, YOU VAIN, VAIN, VAIN, VAIN,VAIN, VAIN, VAIN, VAIN, YOU EDUCATED TOO !!

         
  31. John Patterson

    March 24, 2014 at 10:40 PM

    I have not read all of the comments but would like to leave these – First – the definition of salvation – The scripture reads – as in Adam all die, even so in Christ will all be made alive! This means – because of the fall of Adam and Eve they would die physically; God the Father said they would; Lucifer told Eve they wouldn’t (he lied). Father is a god of truth and can not lie so Adam and Eve knew they would die. Salvation means delivered from physical death. The voluntary death of the Messiah and then resurrection assures all who come to this world and become mortals will be resurrected as was the Messiah. Messiah was the “first fruits”of resurrection. Salvation means delivered from physical death.

    So resurrection to what- just or unjust?

    Father wanted them to have a space of time to repent so he gave them several years to do so and bring forth the human family, which they did. Father, because he is a just and perfect God, provided a savior in his “only begotten Son in the Flesh” i.e. Jesus Christ or Jehovah to fulfill a mission to atone for the sins of the world (the human family). This atonement is based on good works and ordinances such as Baptism by immersion. Mankind contract with Messiah that he will redeem them from their sin on condition that they repent of evil works, accept him as their Messiah and then enter into ordinances ad covenants with him. If they keep their contract Messiah rewards them with the Holy Ghost to be their constant companion and promises them a crown in one of His kingdoms of glory i.e. Telestial, Terrestrial or Celestial. The Celestial being the highest degree of glory and this is where the Messiah dwells. Living with Messiah is called Exaltation.

    To stand firm until the end means do all we contract to do and for so that we may receive the crown. Don;t let the evil one negate our blessings.

     
  32. EarlatOregon

    March 25, 2014 at 6:47 PM

    Americans and other English speaking people,
    Recognize the name Jesus,

    Even people who dont like him,
    Recognize His name.

    Find a Liberal,
    start talking about Jesus,
    and you’ll find out How much,
    people Recognize His name.

    If you pronounce it Hay-sus,
    no problem,
    pronounce it Geez-us,
    and you’d think from their Reaction,
    there might be a devil living in that Liberal body.

     
    • J.M.

      March 26, 2014 at 12:44 AM

      EarlatOregon
      March 25, 2014 at 6:47 PM
      Re: in the name of,
      The truth is, I don’t know what his “name” is,for sure, but what follows, is what I think I understand..

      Matthew 6
      9 “This, then, is how you should pray:“ ‘Our Father in heaven,hallowed be your name,10 your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.11 Give us today our daily bread.
      12 And forgive us our debts,(sins, trespasses) as we also have forgiven our debtors.13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’

      I do not see where it says, in the name of, anyone, BUT this IS what I do see;

      Re: “And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

      3686 ónoma – name; (figuratively) the manifestation or revelation of someone’s character, i.e. as distinguishing them from all others. Thus “praying in the name of Christ” means to pray as directed (authorized) by Him, bringing revelation that flows out of being in His presence. “Praying in Jesus’ name” therefore is not a “religious formula” just to end prayers (or get what we want)!

      [“According to Hebrew notions, a name is inseparable from the person to whom it belongs, i.e. it is something of his essence. Therefore, in the case of the God, it is specially sacred” (Souter).]

      My understanding of the word, “name” as used in the sense of, no other “name” under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved, has to to do with the “character” of The Messiah, of his essence. Today, if a “peace officer” knocks on the door & tells us he/she is here, in the “name” of the “law,” we know fairly well what he/she means, at least I think I do.

      ALSO, the ABOVE prayer is for an example. IF we just repeat those words, in the example, given, it will be repetitious, & not from the heart. We need to think on the things it says.To me, IF I say, Heavenly Father, please give everyone who is trying to please you the strength & courage to try to keep on keeping on to obey & please you & as they yield, please bless them & protect them,Thank you & so be it. < Now that to me is praying in the name of, because this is something coming from me, to the Father, & it is an outgoing concern for others. The Father likes this kind of request. BUT, I too need others to pray for me in the same manner. The problem is, WHO CARES?? It seems to me, it is the purpose of SOME others TO NOT CARE & DESTROY ANYTHING good & upright AND whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.THEY are trying HARD to make us give up, or discourage us, via ridicule, mockery, etc. Everything I say & just said,, however, is the way it seems to me.

       
  33. J.M.

    March 26, 2014 at 3:42 AM

    “Nothing in this world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more commonplace than unsuccessful men with talent. Genuis will not; unrewarded genuis is almost a proverb. Education alone will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.

    EDOMS THORN
    March 24, 2014 at 9:34 PM, your message in pertinent part, you say, on this thread,

    WELL, that is in my honest EDUCATED opinion.

     
    • J.M.

      March 26, 2014 at 10:40 PM

      Amy,
      I may be misunderstanding something here, but the scriptures I gave to you were for your encouragement & something to look forward to. Isaiah, 60, verses 14, 15, & 16.. Fodder is something for animals. IF I am understanding you, Amy, you may not appreciate my responses to some others. IF this is true, It just might be that I am aware of some aspects of “The Elohim” that you may not be. I don’t know. But, My “God” is ALSO a MAN of WAR. You are aware I’m sure of the time coming when he will be SO ANGRY he is going to SHAKE this world SO VIOLENTLY that EVERY MOUNTAIN will MOVE out of its “place” Right? The scriptures I sent to you were for your encouragement. Fodder is for animals. Do you consider me that bad? If so, why?

       
      • moon

        March 26, 2014 at 11:22 PM

        Steady, big boy, you’ve been kicked in the nuts before. Get up off your knees and do my bidding. The demons are ready to rumble.

         
      • Amy

        March 27, 2014 at 7:19 AM

        Random House Webster’s College Dictionary

        fod•der*ˈfɒd ər(n.)

        1. coarse food for livestock.
        2. people considered as readily available and of little value:
        cannon fodder.
        3. raw material.
        4. (v.t.)to feed with or as if with fodder.

        Used in comment above as 3. raw material. Not directed negatively toward anyone. Simply wanted to share something.

         
    • J.M.

      March 26, 2014 at 11:23 PM

      Amy,
      I read your “fodder” information. My understanding is,The “grace” we receive is according to the “works” we do. These “works” are, obedience to the 10 Commandments, Observance of the Holy days, however even doing this without love in our hearts is not worth much. I want to obey My “God” because he cares for me. & I care for him & am grateful for what “they” do for me.Short & SWEET, the ONLY thing ABOLISHED ARE the ANIMAL sacrifices. If you disagree, let’s at least part friends. I have to TRY & remember that some GOOD people are just not aware of what I am aware of. AND, I STILL would like to have them as friends. I “IMAGINE” this because, the truth IS, I do not have any friends, at least to talk with eyeball to eyeball. I do have 2 other “friends” but they don’t know anything about the ‘unorganized” “Religion” I’m in. I am by myself in that regard. BUT, it was the same way with my Dad & Mom & my Brother. My Grandmother taught me a lot. She died when I was 5 years old. The only “love” I received from my family, was FROM her.

       
      • Amy

        March 27, 2014 at 7:30 AM

        J.M.,

        I think we may agree on more than your realize from a biblical perspective, however, I am not able to give much of my time to the effort it would seem to require to satisfy all your responses and questions. That being said, I understand loneliness in the context of faith and belief very well. I empathize with you in that respect. You may enjoy more written by Dr. Moen should you read further, and if you make the effort to find like minded believers, I am confident you will find some. There are more than you realize.
        Best to you on your journey.

         
    • J.M.

      March 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM

      AMY,Did you happen to see this statement from moonie right above yours? didn’t SEE this DID YOU??? Here IS the STATEMENT from MOON, AKA ECHO EARS, MR PERSONIFICATION OF EVIL. HERE is what the good ol boy says, > “Steady, big boy, you’ve been kicked in the nuts before. Get up off your knees and do my bidding. The demons are ready to rumble.”

      This ABHORRENT TOO AIN”T IT NAW, YOU AMY just overlooked it. I know.

       
  34. deb

    March 26, 2014 at 11:15 PM

    Alfred
    @Again, if that’s a accurate translation of what the Messiah actually said, then (by virtue of the use of the word “shall”), it appears that we do not become “saved” in this life, but become eligible for salvation only after we perish—and more, only if we are still strong in our faith at the time of our death.

    Salvation is the process of:
    We have been saved=regeneration/justification-
    We are being saved= sanctification
    We will be saved=glorification

    @I mean, if they were convinced that they’d already been guaranteed salvation, why keep making a fuss that would only cause them to be prematurely and painfully killed?

    The fuss they were making was they were turning the world (govt.) upside-down and proclaiming the Kingdom of Yah’s government and the King of kings, which was opposed to the then Roman government. Caesar’s taxpayers/slaves were leaving that system to enter the Kingdom of Yah. Caesar wasn’t happy, later, Constantine wasn’t happy nor the Pope after nor any of the other man ruled governments now.

    @…what’s the probability that you or I can be “saved” right now—while our lives may still be comfortable—and before we die?

    If you remain in Him and His words remain in you and be willing to die the death for the Kingdom’s cause and life eternal. But many will not because few are chosen–those who are willing to lose their lives here to bring others into the Kingdom–or at least show them the way.

    @ But that belief begins to trouble me because I’ll be 69 years old next month and I don’t have the strength and self-confidence that I had ten or twenty years ago.

    Strength/faith of Abraham, Faith of Yahshua + works of the Apostles et al, minus pharmaceuticals will keep you in perfect peace if your mind is stayed on Him, His Word remains in you and you remain in Him. Oh and don’t rely on self-CONfidence. :)

    @…This implies that even the Messiah may not have been truly “saved” until after he had “stood firm to the end”.

    He Wasn’t “saved” He IS Salvation (Yahushua=Yah saves), the resurrection and life.

    For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, El Gibbor/Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. HalleluYah

     
    • J.M.

      March 26, 2014 at 11:42 PM

      He/She who endures UNTIL the END, “SHALL BE SAVED.” We can do a 180 OR just GIVE UP, BEFORE then. Throw in the towel, etc.

       
    • J.M.

      March 26, 2014 at 11:53 PM

      @ > He Wasn’t “saved” He IS Salvation (Yahushua=Yah saves), the resurrection and life.

      He COULD HAVE POSSIBLY STUMBLED. BUT HE DID NOT. HE WAS SUBJECTED TO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE UNDER THE SUN BUT HE OVERCAME EVERY POSSIBLE TEMPTATION & HE WAS THE ONLY ONE TO DO SO. He had the CHARACTER, THE DESIRE, THE I WANT TOO, but he also prayed for STRENGTH TO DO SO. WHY ???? because he cared, THAT MUCH !

      how much do we care, I DO !!!! I care, maybe not much but as much as I POSSIBLY CAN !!!!

       
    • J.M.

      March 27, 2014 at 1:19 AM

      @ > He Wasn’t “saved” He IS Salvation (Yahushua=Yah saves), the resurrection and life.

      This IS GREAT !! Yes, He IS Salvation. This IS my understanding too. I wish I could know for sure what his name is, but this is my fault. I am unable to understand. I KNOW what “in the name of” means & this is as far as my reach can grasp or my grasp can reach. I have been WARNED, however, that I had better be finding out FAST how to spell & pronounce his name right OR I will burn for eternity in the lake of fire & brimstone. Several different “groups” have warned me of this & the problem is, they ALL spell the name & pronounce the name different.

      STILL, I haven’t been able to find anywhere in the Scriptures where it says to use a “name” to end a prayer. I’m not saying it does not show this somewhere, but if it is somewhere, I am unable to find it. Do you think my prayers would be accepted if I use every name I am aware of? What follows is only a few. I am not trying to be cute or sarcastic. I truly don’t know. YeHoWah v. Yahushua v. Yahshua v. Yeshuah v. Yahuwah v. Yehowah v. Yahshuah, Jehovah, Yahshowah, Yahushua. See what I’m trying to say??

       
    • J.M.

      March 27, 2014 at 9:55 AM

      deb,
      @ Are these verses self explanatory?

      No, not at all. For some “unknown” reason(s) You want to make YHWH ha Elohiym into a Monster.
      A Raving Maniac. OHHHHH YES, YHWH ha Elohiym WILL eventually SHAKE this Earth out of it’s sockets & RIGHTLY So, BUT, YHWH ha Elohiym IS NOT going to PUNISH the incorrigible for NEVER ENDING ETERNITY. Two words People need to research,> ARE<, & CARCASSES for starters.

       
      • deb

        March 27, 2014 at 10:58 AM

        Isaiah 34

        2 For the indignation of the Lord is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
        3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and THEIR STINK SHALL COME UP OUT OF THEIR CARCASES, AND the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
        4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
        5 FOR MY SWORD SHALL BE BATHED IN HEAVEN: BEHOLD, IT SHALL COME DOWN UPON IDUMEA, AND UPON THE PEOPLE OF MY CURSE, TO JUDGMENT.
        6 The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.
        7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
        8 FOR IT IS THE DAY OF THE LORD’S VENGEANCE, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
        9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.
        10 IT SHALL NOT BE QUENCHED NIGHT NOR DAY; THE SMOKE THEREOF SHALL GO UP FOR EVER: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.

         
    • J.M.

      March 27, 2014 at 9:12 PM

      Hi deb, you say the Brother Alfred.
      @ > Oh and don’t rely on self-CONfidence. :)

      I’m sure Brother Alfred is grateful for you to bring this to his attention as I’m sure he never thought about this. Thanks,deb

      @…This implies that even the Messiah may not have been truly “saved” until after he had “stood firm to the end”.

      The Messiah was NOT trying to do ANYTHING To “SAVE” Himself. He gave out HIS ALL OUT to provide the ONLY way WE, at least SOME of US could or “might” be saved. There are things WE must do in order to be, “to become saved.” It has something to do with, Knowing WHAT to overcome, & TRYING to do this, & ENDURING IN OUR TRYING EFFORTS.

      @ > He Wasn’t “saved” He IS Salvation (Yahushua=Yah saves), the resurrection and life.

      TRUE. He provided a way for US to become “saved” because he OVERCAME & endured till the END. Remember, IT IS FINISHED??? REMEMBER him SAYING THIS???

      @ > For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, El Gibbor/Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

      HalleluYah HalleluYah !!!!!! Sounds like the NAME. I remember NOW, this what my Grandmomma told me HIS name IS, or it seems to be what she said, I don’t remember for sure, but it sure sounds good, to me anyway. But, sounding good ain’t good enough in & of itself. Gonna STUDY about it. THANKS deb.

       
  35. J.M.

    March 26, 2014 at 11:26 PM

    @ >The demons are ready to rumble.

    BRING UMM ON. BIG DADDY O I SAID, BRRRRRRING UMMMMMM ONNNNNNN DO YOU HEAR ME
    BRING UMMMMMM OOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNN

     
  36. J.M.

    March 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM

    To ANYONE, YES INCLUDING Alfred Adask,

    MOON aka MOONIE, aka ECHO EARS is really a FAGGOT Transvestite. Loves to KISS ANY man IT thinks has a demon. Probably paints ITS toenails & fingernails black & wears heavy purple lipstick. Can raise its feminine vocal chords to a higher than “normal” pitch. I’m still trying HARD to talk about ITS HIGH qualities. I would estimate IT is about 5′ (feet TALL) & weighs about 75 lbs.& THIS is WITH ITS RED HIGH HEEL pumps ON YEAH RIGHT, ON ON ON I am 6’1′ & weigh 180 SOLID pounds. Wear a size 12 BROGAN I would like to shove up ITS hindquarters DO YOU HEAR WHAT I AM SAYING ??? but, I don’t think I could meet ITS, not it is, but ITS DEMANDS. THE IT would BEND OVER for ME hike up ITS SKIRT, LOWER ITS PINKIE PANTIES & SAY RAM AWAY AS IT IS BACKING ITS SOFT PINKISH ASS BACK to my # 12 BROGAN & IT WILL SAY RAM DAT THANG RAM IT RAM IT RAM IT RAM IT DAMN IT FEEL GOOD HARDER HARDER HARDER. I confess YOU personification of EVIl, I just don’t believe it, my # 12 BROGAN is BIG ENOUGH FAW YO HOLE, YEAH, YO HOLE !!!

     
    • Amy

      March 27, 2014 at 7:33 AM

      THIS is abhorrent. I am disgusted by this…no believer I know would speak to anyone like this!!!!

       
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 8:36 AM

        Amy,
        OK You need to be reading about MOON SPITTING IN THE FACE OF YHWH ha Elohiym on other threads miss SHALLOW. SO GO AHEAD & DEFEND THE IT. YOU NEED TO BE READING ABOUT ALL THE TIMES HE TELLS ME TO GIVE HIM A GOOD NIGHT KISS AFTER HE SPITS IN THE FACE OF YHWH ha Elohiym MISS SHALLOW. READ SOME OTHER THREADS & TELL ME YOU JUSTIFY ALL THE ECHOS ECHOS ECHOS ONLY ABOUT YHWH ha Elohiym MISS SHALLOW I got something else for YOU SHORTLY MISS SHALLOW & THEN YOU TELL ME HOW YOU ARE NOT OF CHERRY PICKER OF SCRIPTURES TOOOOOOO MISS SHALLOW

         
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 8:49 AM

        Amy,
        FIRST I DID NOT ASK YOU FOR INFORMATION BECAUSE OF MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE & for your INSTRUCTIONS on TEACHING ME, and I DON”T WANT ANYMORE OF YOUR FODDER. Fodder IS for ANIMALS !!!

        1st Corinthians 14:34 >>> Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says. <<< WHAT DOES THIS MEAN??
        ALSO YOUR comment to ALFRED IS NOT TEACHING IT'S SHOWING APPRECIATION THIS IS GOOD. Now, Amy just let me alone.

         
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM

        @ >THIS is abhorrent. I am disgusted by this…no believer I know would speak to anyone like this!!!!

        You didn’t have to read it AMY, You don’t “appear” to read anything moonie says.. HERE is ANOTHER moonie admonition OR, you can close yo EYES, miss Amy. > Brilliantly worded, big boy. No one will suspect that you’re my loyal servant. Endure…we’ll be together soon.

        VERY encouraging words AMY, BUT FOR WHO??? I KNOW NOW NOW NOW, you agree with MR MOON. I just don’t stay being FOOLED as LONG as I once did. YES, & you people DO BREAK MY HEART YES YOU DO. but my “God” knits it back together & kinda fast too. Maybe it was Julie who was praying for me. If so, Thank you Julie. Somebody was. I said before ON THIS thread, when I thought you were a straight shooter, I think Amy has left me. I was right. It was not really YOU that left, IT WAS my God’s WAY of letting me know to leave you alone. First time for everything. IF this ever happens again, WHEN I THINK I have found a ” Scripture soul mate” I will THEN know what it means & WHO it is referring to, TOO !!! This is another one of those YIELDING blessings. Hey , MR MOON, I was not down on my KNEES. I was laying FLAT ON MY FACE. TRYING TO HUMBLE MYSELF. NOW, this just another opening for you to spit on. You just keep sptiin. but moonie agent of SATAN, you will sooner or later, SPUTTER OUT. I ain lyin NAW SUH

         
  37. My3Suns

    March 27, 2014 at 8:40 AM

    To J.M.

    I tried to read most of your comments on this thread but after a while all I’m hearing is Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah.

    Sorry brother, I am just speaking from the heart here! In fact, my gut tells me you’re a just hypocrite and vexation to the spirit. You know, the type of person that just after 5 minutes of leaving a 501c(3) sponsored church, flips off the first driver that accidentally cuts you off outside the parking lot.

    I know the scripture says, “Judge not, least ye be judged,” but in this case I don’t see it that way. I see this post as trying to help just one more soul from some sell-centered, narcissistic, hypocritical view of everyone that doesn’t post comments that share the same distorted, unintelligible subject matter view you have.

    Your praises of some on this board are pretty much self-leaning and somewhat “pukish,” while at the same time, other comments you make are just metaphorically boring.

    Take a break and post one, maybe two comments that express your views on the subject then just shut up and let others post their opinions or comments without your input. I know it will be nail-biting and difficult for you at first, but believe me it gets easier my friend.

    Can I get an Amen, Brother?

     
    • J.M.

      March 27, 2014 at 9:00 AM

      My3 Suns
      @ Can I get an Amen, Brother?

      NO !!! NOT FROM ME. Find EASIER PREY !!!

       
      • My3Suns

        March 27, 2014 at 9:24 AM

        “Find EASIER PREY!!!” Laughing…it doesn’t get any easier then this, my friend!

        You know the saying, “It’s better to be thought an ass then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” Well, you already removed all doubt. In fact, you obliterated it!

        I know I shouldn’t goad you on because you appear very distorted, kind of child-like, but I’m having so much fun. It tickles me inside and that makes me feel good – about me!

        God works in mysterious ways, Brother. It is my prayer that he helps you wake up from your slumber.

         
    • J.M.

      March 27, 2014 at 10:02 AM

      HOSS, aka SUN GOD, aka my 3 sins
      @ >You know the saying, “It’s better to be thought an ass then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

      Indeed I do KNOW the saying. WHY didn’t you KEEP YO BIG MAUF SHUT THEN? C The Messiah was only reciting scripture. moon, aka ECHO EARS, yo DADDY. LOL LOL LOL. GET BACK INTO YO TARANTULA BOOK.

       
    • J.M.

      March 27, 2014 at 11:47 AM

      My 3 SINS
      @ >Sorry brother, I am just speaking from the heart here!

      I unnuhhstain dat. I unnuhstain.

       
    • J.M.

      March 27, 2014 at 8:37 PM

      Yo 3 SINS,U sez,
      @ > “Find EASIER PREY!!!” Laughing…it doesn’t get any easier then this, my friend!

      Well U sho nuff aine goan say MOCKING IS U?? NAW. I unnuhstain what U mean by laughing AND, I also understand that MOST, 99% of the posters, DID LAUGH at your “wise” remark. I unnuhstain dat TOO. Sho Due. BUT, I betcha ain’t none of you having as much FUN as I IS.lol

       
  38. J.M.

    March 27, 2014 at 8:55 AM

    MOON, ajka ECHO EARS
    @ > Steady, big boy, you’ve been kicked in the nuts before. Get up off your knees and do my bidding. The demons are ready to rumble.

    Mawnin MOON, aka ECHO EARS

    NUTS??? Well, lease I STILL got 2 uhhum, I GOT BALLS 2.Sho due. Cose U aint noticed dat yit.

    YIT DAT IS, U B NOTICIN!!! FO SHO. 2 BALLS beets hahin a artificial SLIT tween my legs.

    OHHHHHH LOOK E HEUH, gots yo RED HIGH HEEL PUMPS OFF. Look at yo teenyweeny beannie

    tiny itsby bitsy PINKY feetzees. SO TINY& SO TENDER & SO FRAGILE lookin. U B a good little itsy

    bitsy boy-z woe-z & daddy think baut gittin U sum teenyweeny beannie tiny itsby bitsy baby

    shoe-zees fo yo teenyweeny beannie tiny itsby bitsy PINKY feet-zees. mite e-um THANK baut byin

    U a new pah uhh pinky panties caw it look like you dunn mess aul low yo sef WHAH YO RUMBLINN DEMONS IS, MOON?? Where are THEY?? BRING UMM ONNNNNN

     
  39. Daniel

    March 27, 2014 at 11:45 AM

    Mr. Adask

    Excellent article and true to the entire scriptures. Todays brand of Christianity is weak and weak. No true conviction from the people that go to “Sunday Worthless Worship”, these people are more heathen and pagan than any other heathen or pagan out there. I truly enjoy reading your articles as for your radio shows, can they be placed in podcast and available for download? There is an old posdcast channel for the radio show with past podcasts but no recent ones.

     
  40. EDOMS THORN

    March 27, 2014 at 6:43 PM

    Vatican Observatory launches LUCIFER Telescope | PROJECT LUCIFER and the Vatican’s astonishing exo-theological plan for the arrival of an alien savior

    http://edomsthorn.wordpress.com/2014/03/27/vatican-observatory-launches-lucifer-telescope-project-lucifer-and-the-vaticans-astonishing-exo-theological-plan-for-the-arrival-of-an-alien-savior/

     
    • J.M.

      March 27, 2014 at 7:19 PM

      @ >EDOMS THORN
      @ >March 27, 2014 at 6:43 PM
      @ >Vatican Observatory launches LUCIFER Telescope | PROJECT LUCIFER and the Vatican’s astonishing exo-theological plan for the arrival of an alien savior

      This a great post, etc, E.T., in my humble opinion. Since I KNOW Satan counterfeits EVERYTHING “God” does, & BEFORE the TRUE “God’s” REAL event takes place, I too believe that Satan WILL make HIS visible APPEARANCE counterfeiting the NEXT TRUE REAL EVENT of The Messiah,aka HIS RETURN. What puzzles me, is the “NAME” they use, i.e., “Lucifer.” I think, E.T. we will at least agree on this, & that is, Lucifer REBELLED, & THEN was given a NEW NAME, SATAN, which means, ADVERSARY. Sooooo I KNOW the Vatican Observatory IS NOT going to use the name, Satan. Then again, people are so deceived & blind anyway, I don’t really think it matters what name they choose to use. Thanks, E.T., for your post & the link.

       
      • EDOMS THORN

        March 27, 2014 at 7:46 PM

        RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH>>>

        “L.U.C.I.F.E.R., which stands for “Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research,” is a chilled instrument attached to a telescope in Arizona. And yes, it’s named for the Devil, whose name itself means “morning star” [and which] happens to be right next to the Vatican Observatory on Mt. Graham in Tucson.”— Rebecca Boyle, Popular Science Magazine

         
  41. Toland

    March 27, 2014 at 6:58 PM

    Hi, Amy.

    Please don’t let the troll put you off commenting.

    Believe it or not, the troll thinks of itself as clever. So the troll has hijacked the comment sections of Al Adask’s blog to advertise this “cleverness” to the world by means of pronouncing “clever” judgment on other commenters and “cleverly” insulting them.

    This troll, which is actually a semi-retarded narcissist in everyone’s eyes but its own, has been banned many times before and is not worth taking seriously.

     
    • Amy

      March 27, 2014 at 7:29 PM

      Clearly. At first I thought perhaps just a bit over zealous, but wow. Thanks.

       
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 8:16 PM

        @ > Amy,re: yo message to Toland, a child of moonie, aka ECHO EARS
        @ > March 27, 2014 at 7:29 PM
        @ > Clearly. At first I thought perhaps just a bit over zealous, but wow. Thanks.

        Please don’t be sending me anymore fodder miss Jezabelle. Fodder is for ANIMALS. ANYBODY can SAY, Alfred, GREAT POST, GREAT MESSAGE. I SEE now Amy. I SEE WHY YOU said what you did. DIS duh Troof. > BIRDS OF A FEATHER DO FLOCK & STAY TOGETHER. Satan KNOWS what the Scriptures SAY too, EXCEPT for those that apply to HIS DOOM, There ARE JUDAHSEANS, FEMALES TOO. U ONE TOO !!!

         
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 10:26 PM

        Amy, miss jezebel, you say to TOELAND
        March 27, 2014 at 7:29 PM
        @ > Clearly. At first I thought perhaps just a bit over zealous, but wow. Thanks.

        Amy, I believe I can safely say that 99% +++ posters, at least, on this blog, are saying, you are most welcome. Vultures flock together TOO. I unnahstain dat.miss jezebel,aka Amy. I SEE what U aiming at Amy. I now know what yo AIM IS AMY. SHO DUE.

         
      • J.M.

        March 27, 2014 at 11:50 PM

        Toland, Amy, ET. AL.

        @ >Believe it or not, the troll thinks of itself as clever.

        No, I am not clever. But I do not have a heart OF STONE either.

        @ > Clearly. At first I thought perhaps just a bit over zealous, but wow. Thanks.

        I may be misunderstanding then. BUT what I am trying to do, is TAKE THE LOAD off of Alfred Adask’s BACK, at least as much as I can. Maybe I AM doing the WRONG thing. ALL he has to do is tell me to “lay off.” BUT It really does look like he & I ARE the ONLY two gathered in “his name” AND, ALSO, there just MIGHT BE one little lamb out there that needs to be brought BACK HOME.

        Apparently you people do not understand OR CARE that what is being said on this blog IS being recorded in a “set of BOOKS” and We ALL are going to give an “accounting” WHEN the BOOKS ARE OPENED. YOU, ME, EVERYBODY. Soooo Just keep it up, OR do otherwise. You have that choice. THIS IS NO GAME To ME. FUNNY???

         
  42. J.M.

    March 27, 2014 at 10:17 PM

    BONY TONY, u SEZ,

    @ > I think the poor dude is seriously and substantially mentally ill.Would kinda explain things, wouldn’t it?

    SHO DUE splain thangs. Splains a LOTTA THANGS. Tell me something here. WHY was THE SAME THING THOUGHT of & about The Messiah.??? Huh? Why dis IS??? “THEY” said he was possessed with a DEMON. MISTER MOON SAYS I AM TOO. WHY DIS IS ??? Huh TEHme WHY DIS E-uhh ???

     
  43. Adask

    March 28, 2014 at 12:35 AM

    I visit other blogs or websites from time to time and see the comments posted there. I am often offended and even discouraged by the number of juveniles who believe that a good comment must be 1) anonymous; 2) insulting to someone else; and 3) include some choice cus words.

    The people who post these sort of comments disgust me and even discourage me. They are small minds who don’t focus on ideas but instead focus only on personalities. They’re like a bunch of juvenile delinquents laughing madly because the spray-painted a four-letter word on the exterior wall of someone’s stores. They’re punks and they are innumerable.

    I wonder how, or even if, we can save this country insofar as it’s populated by a bunch of juveniles (even if they’re 30, 40 or 60 years old) whose claim to fame is their ability to spray graffiti on other people’s walls and disrespect those who try to make a contribution.

    Whenever any of you “personalize” your comments to insult and disrespect others, it’s not evidence of your cleverness–it’s evidence of your weakness. We all get caught in those personality conflicts from time to time. Sometimes one insult seems impossible to overlook and so we are drawn into those damn, mindless, pissing contests where victory will be awarded to the most persistent fool.

    What I’d like to see on this blog is a measure of civility, respect and an awareness of limits. I’d like to see comments that were not abusive or insulting or even gratuitous. I’d like to see comments that deal with issues rather than personalities. I’d like to see that some of you were smart enough to recognize that there are LIMITS that I should not have to impose, but which you have sufficient perception and self-discipline to impose on your own.

    I’m talking to every one of you who thrive on insulting each other. Stop it or be gone.

    Your persistent insults don’t belong here. If you can’t focus on idea, you don’t belong here. Most of your PERSISTENT attempts at humor aren’t the least bit funny, clever or insightful after you’ve run the same gag for the fifth time.

    If you’re here to disrespect others, you’re in the wrong place. If you’re here to be self-indulgent, you’re in the wrong place. If you’re intelligence is so limited that you can only deal in terms of personalities, you’re in the wrong place. If you’re here for “grins,” you don’t belong here.

    I’m not going to name any names on this comment, but if some of you don’t manage to develop some self-discipline and recognize when enough of your comments aren’t merely enough, but too much, I’ll have to run you off.

     
    • Henry

      March 28, 2014 at 2:09 AM

      Adask said, “I’d like to see comments that deal with issues rather than personalities.”

      How about a rule whereby anyone who insults, or makes a negative statement about the character, motives or other personal quality of, another commenter gets banned?

      Make it a three-strikes rule, since getting personal is an easy thing to get drawn into when provoked. That way, the source of a persistent problem will be eliminated without a lot of collateral damage.

      I’m sure the readers of your blog would applaud this as an official policy, and the blog itself would be greatly improved by it.

      J.M., what do you think of this suggestion?

       
      • J.M.

        March 29, 2014 at 5:30 PM

        Hi happy hearts, & gentle lamb like people my name is, Michael, & I will try & get the following posted in behalf of, & for, Jim Madison, a.k.a. J.M.

        Henry, you posted, in pertinent part, from, Alfred Adask, > Adask said, “I’d like to see comments that deal with issues rather than personalities.”

        THEN, NEXT, Henry, YOU ask, J.M., what do you think of this suggestion?

        Henry, Do you mean like in your comments + your Innuendos, & slander remarks on THIS THREAD, only, ON,

        March 24, 2014 at 12:43 AM, AND,
        March 23, 2014 at 10:46 PM, AND,
        March 24, 2014 at 6:35 AM, AND,
        March 24, 2014 at 7:12 AM, AND,
        March 24, 2014 at 4:35 PM, AND,
        March 26, 2014 at 4:16 PM, AND,
        March 26, 2014 at 7:26 PM, AND,
        March 24, 2014 at 9:00 PM, AND,
        March 25, 2014 at 2:42 AM, AND

        ON THIS THREAD ALONE, and this is not including ANY other threadS where you, Henry, DO the SAME things. If so, then YOU would have been BANNED 3 TIMES for the “COMMENTS” + Innuendos, & slander remarks, YOU, Henry, “SHARED” with “OTHERS.” on THIS THREAD. I think Alfred’s WARNING, I, Michael, don’t call it a “suggestion” IS A “wonderful ORDER” A wonderful IDEA. It certainly would have saved J.M. a lot of GRIEF IF that “suggestion” as YOU, Henry, called it, WAS IN FORCE. Well, “NOW” Henry, what DO YOU think of “this suggestion?” E.G., “I’d like to see comments that deal with issues rather than personalities.” ALL I see Henry from your message, Henry, is just more mockery, goading, etc.I, Michael, am VERY disappointed in J.M. for wanting to share & using MY computer, & MY email address, those GIFTS of knowledge FROM his Creator, with those who only showed their gratitude by returning these gifts with a mixture of their spit. I have also tried to explain to my dear friend, J.M. that I don’t think his “God” is too happy with him either, then again, J.M. is extremely, Ni – “Eve.”

         
      • J.M.

        March 29, 2014 at 11:26 PM

        @ >J.M., what do you think of this suggestion?

        Henry what do you think of this suggestion?
        What is the purpose of your question, Henry?

         
      • J.M.

        April 1, 2014 at 6:43 AM

        Henry
        March 28, 2014 at 2:09 AM
        Adask said, “I’d like to see comments that deal with issues rather than personalities.”
        How about a rule whereby anyone who insults, or makes a negative statement about the character, motives or other personal quality of, another commenter gets banned?
        Make it a three-strikes rule, since getting personal is an easy thing to get drawn into when provoked. That way, the source of a persistent problem will be eliminated without a lot of collateral damage.
        I’m sure the readers of your blog would applaud this as an official policy, and the blog itself would be greatly improved by it.

        J.M., what do you think of this suggestion?

        Henry, What do you think of this “suggestion?”

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        April 1, 2014 at 10:34 AM

        A LIAR is a LIAR. The truth is not “SUBJECTIVE”. An intellectual coward is a COWARD, A Slanderer is a SLANDERER, a Proverbs 18:2 “FOOL” is a FOOL,

        A good moderator at many blogs will settle disagreements with the facts if they are able to get them or understand them, if not they will advise that the comments go in another direction. He/she will also instruct the COWARD to answer the question or cease commenting. A GOOD moderator will ban a poster for slander when there is no evidence in the thread to support the LIARS claim. A good moderator will not allow accusations or claims to be made with out a link to the proof being provided.
        A good moderator will not tolerate a commenter to continue posting information that has been proven to be in error and they ignore said proof.
        AND He/she will not tolerate ANY filthy attacks of any kind, they ban that commenter with extreme prejudice!

        Childish questions and non sense posts that clog up the boards that offer no value are removed, Of topic is fine to a point,

         
    • J.M.

      March 28, 2014 at 2:47 AM

      J.M.
      March 27, 2014 at 11:50 PM
      Toland, Amy, ET. AL.

      @ >Believe it or not, the troll thinks of itself as clever. < His comment

      No, I am not clever. But I do not have a heart OF STONE either. Clearly. At first I thought perhaps just a bit over zealous, but wow. Thanks. < Her comment & what follows below is my answer to both

      I may be misunderstanding then. BUT what I am trying to do, is TAKE THE LOAD off of Alfred Adask’s BACK, at least as much as I can. Maybe I AM doing the WRONG thing. ALL he has to do is tell me to “lay off.” BUT It really does look like he & I ARE the ONLY two gathered in “his name” AND, ALSO, there just MIGHT BE one little lamb out there that needs to be brought BACK HOME.

      Apparently you people do not understand OR CARE that what is being said on this blog IS being recorded in a “set of BOOKS” and We ALL are going to give an “accounting” WHEN the BOOKS ARE OPENED. YOU, ME, EVERYBODY. Soooo Just keep it up, OR do otherwise. You have that choice. THIS IS NO GAME To ME. FUNNY??? Amy, for your pleasure, Isaiah 60, verses 14, 15,16, and, Isaiah 49.
      moon says the following to me, > .Steady, big boy, you’ve been kicked in the nuts before. Get up off your knees and do my bidding. The demons are ready to rumble.And,
      Brilliantly worded, big boy. No one will suspect that you’re my loyal servant. Endure…we’ll be together soon.

      moon says to you, Alfred Adask,
      March 23, 2014 at 5:01 PM
      @ >Al, it’s moon, no upper case m and no Mr. Would you still like for me to “guess again”?

      It seems to me, moon is telling YOU, Alfred, while he IS in your home HOW YOU will address him

      after I send Amy this > Amy, for your pleasure, Isaiah 60, verses 14, 15,16, and, Isaiah 49.;

      Amy sends me “her thanks” by saying;
      Fodder for you:< & sends me fodder ???

      This is supposed to be a "Church" isn't it ? I tried to lift people up BUT they put me down in EVIL ways.without stopping. Sooo I respond back either after they have broken my heart OR their repeated ridicule in a LANGUAGE I hope they can understand. What I do not understand IS HOW you allow EVIL on their face people by their comments to KEEP KEEP commenting ESPECIALLY when they KEEP spitting in the face of The Living God, The Creator & Sustainer of the Universe. I'm only sending you this Alfred, to let you know I will not make anymore comments because IT has been an enormous STRAIN on me mentally to deal with NEVER ENDING RIDICULE, INSULTS, & degrading The LIVING ETERNAL "God." Shalom

       
      • J.M.

        March 29, 2014 at 6:20 PM

        whoops. Goofed again. I meant to say, on THIS thread. This is ANOTHER reason I ADMIRE palani. WISE ol palani KNOWS better than to be an IDIOT like I am. I am a FOOL too. BUT, this IS a TWO sided coin. I would rather be a FOOL on the SIDE I am on, NOT a FOOL on the “other side.”

         
  44. Bobby

    June 2, 2014 at 11:33 PM

    Biblical Mystery. In the book of Mathew the geneology chart (Math 1:16) says Jesus’ step father was Joseph, and Joseph’s father was “Jacob”. However, In the book of Luke, it says that Joseph’s father was “Heli”. Can anyone explain this?

     

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