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Repudiate the National Debt?

12 Apr

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One of my readers claims that the only way out of our current economic problems is to simply repudiate the existing National Debt.  He argued that repudiating the debt was justified by the fact that the entire National Debt is based on fraud.  More, he compared repudiating the National Debt to the “Jubilee” in the Old Testament wherein every 50 years, all debts were cancelled. 

I replied as follows:

 

Simply repudiating the debt would work fine if our monetary system were still based on precious metals or some other tangible substance.  We could eliminate the debt but our economy would still retain the assets—gold & silver coins—although some of the gold and silver might be redistributed into other people’s hands.

The reason the Old Testament people could have a Jubilee every 50 years and wipe out all the debt is that those Old Testament people used an asset-based (gold, silver, even cattle) monetary system.  When the Jubilee occurred, it didn’t destroy any assets.  Whatever tangible assets (gold, silver, cattle) existed within the local economy, tribe or nation before the Jubilee began, would remain in the economy during and even after the Jubilee had ended.  Only the debt would be destroyed.

The Jubilee would only shift ownership of whichever of those tangible assets were currently loaned from the lenders to the borrowers.   Thanks to the Jubilee, borrowers were entitled to keep whatever they’d previously borrowed without having to make any more payments on their loans.

In general, the Jubilee transferred ownership of whatever wealth had been borrowed from the relatively rich lenders to the relatively poor borrowers.  The Jubilee was essentially an attack on the oligarchy, on the rich “bankers” who understood the nature of money and would become fabulously wealthy and assume unrivaled power if their wealth was allowed to grow indefinitely.  When the Jubilee wiped out all current debts every 50 years, it essentially wiped out the debt-obligations due to the rich bankers and prevented the nation from becoming an oligarchy.  So long as there was a Jubilee, the bankers could prosper, but they couldn’t quite rule.

Even though a Jubilee eliminated all current debts, all of the tangible assets (gold, silver, cattle) remained in the local economy.  So long as the assets remained, the economy could easily survive and even prosper.  The Jubilee only changed the ownership of assets purchased on credit from the relatively wealthy lenders to the relatively poor borrowers.  The Jubilee only destroyed debt—not monetary assets.

Of course, once the debts were cancelled, the ordinary people would behave like a bunch of fools, declare a holiday, get drunk, squander their newly-acquired wealth, and soon be back in debt to the bankers who understood the nature of money.  But, at the end of another 50 years, there’d be another Jubilee, and once again the smart bankers would lose much of their assets to the people.

The key to the success of the Jubilee was that assets and debts were two different concepts.  Because they were separate, you could lose one but still keep the other.

 

•  Today, however, we have a debt-based (rather than asset-based) monetary system.  We treat  debt instruments as assets rather than liabilities.  The whole concept is insane and certain to fail badly—but that’s what we have.

With a debt-based monetary system, for every debt, there’s a correlative paper debt-instrument that’s signed by the borrower and which memorializes the borrower’s promise to repay that debt.  Those paper debt-instruments (promises to pay) are treated as assets.

For example, if I borrow $100,000, the lender keeps a piece of paper with my signature on it that promises to repay $100,000 plus interest.  The lender treats that signed, paper debt-instrument as an asset. If you ask him about his net worth, he’ll say “I’m worth $100,000 because I have a piece of paper signed by Alfred Adask that promises to repay $100,000 to me.”

But, if I default on my $100,000 debt, my creditor’s $100,000 paper asset will also disappear.  Because “one man’s debt is another man’s asset,” if I go broke, my debt disappears but so does my creditor’s paper wealth.  What’s the value of a piece of paper bearing my signature if I can’t afford to make good on my debts?  Zeee-row.

Every debt is purported to have created a correlative paper “asset“.  The paper debt and the paper asset aren’t separate.  They’re united like two sides of the same coin.  You can’t have one without the other.  You can’t lose one without also losing the other.

 

•  With a debt-based monetary system, the deeper we dive into debt, the richer our nation seemingly becomes.

If you think about that principle for a moment, you’ll begin to sense why the whole monetary and financial system seems almost incomprehensible:  it’s irrational.  But that principle explains why government tries to stimulate the economy and seemingly get out of debt by creating more debt.

We aren’t the most deeply indebted nation on earth because our government is simply incompetent.  We’re the world’s greatest debtor-nation because our government understands that under a debt-based monetary system, debt equals wealth, and therefore going deeper into debt should makes us all more prosperous.   That’s why they lowered interest rates—to make borrowing and going deeper into debt more attractive to potential borrowers.   That’s why they offered “liars’ loans” to sub-prime borrowers in the early 2000s—to create more debt (apparent wealth) by accepting promises to pay (that couldn’t possibly be paid) as “assets”.

Later, when those purported “assets” turned out to be “toxic assets” (debts that could not and would not ever be repaid) the whole US and even global economies nearly imploded from the loss of those paper “assets”.

Again, this entire debt-based monetary concept is irrational (or at least fraudulent).  Nevertheless, that concept also almost irresistible when people first realize that they can purchase tangible goods and services with nothing but their personal promise to someday repay the resulting debts.  Thanks to a debt-based monetary system, we could become rich without being productive and prosperous without actually working.  That monetary system will work brilliantly so long as the people are willing to go ever-deeper into debt.  Figuratively speaking, under the debt-based monetary system, I could repay a $100,000 loan by borrowing another $100,000—or, better yet, $200,000.

So long as we didn’t lose our nerve or our greed and therefore stop borrowing, our debt-based monetary system could prosper forever!  We could all be consumers in a consumer-based economy.  We could have all we wanted without ever having actually produce anything!  It would be a paradise on earth.  We could shop ‘til we dropped.  The more we shopped, the more we could shop.

The idea of a debt-based monetary system is crazy, self-indulgent, irrational and certain to fail.  But before it failed, it would inspire one helluva party.  Being “party animals,” who could resist the temptation?  And who knows?  So long as we kept drinking, smoking and borrowing, the party might last for decades—even generations!

Therefore, people who should’ve known better allowed our government to violate Article 1.10.1 of the Constitution (which declares that “No State shall . . . make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; . . . .”) and to subject us to a pure fiat currency.  When we accepted that pure fiat currency, We the People implicitly authorized the national monetary madness in which we’re currently ensnared.

Result?  Today, insofar as we repudiate any of the existing debt, the correlative debt instruments (which we treat as our paper assets) will also become worthless.

Implication?  We can’t default on the debt.   There’ll be no “Jubilee” for America.  We can’t deny and destroy our debt without also denying and destroying our apparent (paper) wealth.

 

•  In the Old Testament world, the debts (promises to pay) and the assets (tangible wealth in the form of cattle, gold or silver) were two different kinds of financial “instruments”.  They were largely separate.  Each could exist (or disappear) without regard to the other.  You could cancel the debt without destroying the tangible assets.

For example, if I borrowed ten cattle from Jacob, and the Jubilee took place, Jacob would lose his claim on those ten cows and I would be “enriched” by owing 10 cows that I no longer had to pay for.  That wouldn’t be fair to Jacob, but our tribal economy would not be impaired.   The ten cows that were tangible assets would remain in the tribal economy.  They might no longer be Jacob’s property and instead be mine—but the ten cows would not disappear.  The local economy/community would not be impaired by a loss of those cows.  Some wealth would be redistributed, but that wealth would still be available to all in the sense that if you wanted to buy one of those ten cows, you could do so.  The only difference was that you’d pay me for the cow, rather than Jacob.

But, in today’s brave new world of fiat currency, one man’s debt is another man’s asset.  In the same sense that the Nazi’s once posted the slogan “Work is Freedom” in their concentration camps, today’s economists, bankers and politicians have adopted the slogan that “Debt is Wealth”.

Today, it’s not like the Jubilee where, if we repudiate our debts, the assets will still remain in our economy. If we repudiate our debts, we also destroy the corresponding paper assets.

Once those paper assets have disappeared, where will our local economy find the capital needed to build a new factory, grow crops or buy a new flat-screen TV on credit?  Without valid and performing paper debt instruments, there are no paper assets.  Without paper assets, there’s virtually no “liquid” basis (other than gold or silver) for credit, no basis for buying products, producing products, growing food.

Result?  If we follow my reader’s suggestion and repudiate the National Debt, our whole society could degenerate into an impoverished, mindless, starving, unemployed and violent chaos.

We’re like a nation of crack addicts faced with two choices:  either we keep taking ever-larger doses of crack (which will eventually kill us) or we kick the habit cold turkey and immediately suffer the agony of withdrawal pains.

So, what’s it gonna be?  Immediate agony?  Or eventual death?

I guarantee that virtually no politician will advocate “immediate agony” to the American people.

 

• In a debt-based monetary system, we can’t repudiate the debt without also repudiating the correlative paper assets (US bonds, stocks, pension funds, savings accounts, paper dollars, etc.) that we treat as “assets”.  That’s why we support banks that are “too big to fail”.  They’re not really “too big”—they’re too indebted.  If they were allowed to go bankrupt, they’d destroy so much debt and so much correlative paper assets that the entire US economy might collapse.

If we repudiated the “official” National Debt of $17.2 trillion, we’d thereby also repudiate $17.2 trillion in paper assets currently held by US and foreign investors.  That loss of paper assets might be survivable, but it would still badly destabilize the US and world economies.

If we repudiated the “actual” National Debt (which John Williams of Shadowstats.com currently estimates to be nearly $90 trillion), the US and global economies would probably disintegrate.

Therefore, the U.S. government, American people and even the world are caught in a terrible dilemma.  We can’t possibly repay the existing debt in full.  I’d guesstimate that we can’t repay more than 10% to 20% of the existing debt.  But, we also can’t repudiate the existing debt without also destroying our illusion of paper assets.

Can’t pay; can’t repudiate.  Immediate agony, now—or premature death later?   What do you do?  Government has little choice but to try to continue to issue ever more debt to try to create the paper “assets” needed to keep the debt-based monetary system afloat.

 

•  But there’s a problem that’s become increasingly apparent over the past five years.  Very few people or institutions want to lend to the US government.  Americans are broke and can’t lend much to Uncle Sam.  Foreign investors have lost confidence in Uncle Sam’s capacity to repay its debts and no longer lend to the US government.  Result?  At least 70% of government’s current bonds are “purchased” by the Federal Reserve.  The appearance of borrowing continues, but the illusory nature of these loans is becoming increasingly obvious.

Sooner or later, the government will be unable to borrow more currency to go deeper into debt and create an ever-greater illusion of paper assets.  Once the government can’t borrow, create more debt, and thereby create more paper “assets”, the whole damned system will implode, people will starve, riots will ensue, martial law may be tried (I doubt that it will succeed for long) and our nation may disintegrate into chaos and violence.

We’re screwed and we can’t escape that fate.  Our choices are stark:  immediate agony, or eventual death.

We’ve been screwed ever since our government and Federal Reserve addicted us to a pure fiat currency and we were dumb enough to accept that paper “illusion” without question.  An overt national bankruptcy is inevitable.  We may be able to “kick the can down the road” a few more months or years and thereby postpone that fate.  But it’s increasingly apparent that the “can” can’t be “kicked” much longer.

 

•  If we still had our gold in Ft. Knox, etc., we might be able to mitigate the coming economic debacle.  We could issue a new currency backed by gold at the rate of, say, $25,000 or $50,000 per ounce of gold.  That wouldn’t provide a painless solution, but we’d still have real, tangible, liquid assets that we could lend and use to rebuild our economy and nation.

But there’s good reason to suspect that our government and the Federal Reserve have already sold off most of our former 8,200 tons of gold.

If our gold’s gone, and if the government can’t borrow any more currency so as to go deeper into debt (and thereby create more paper assets), there’s no earthly way to escape the coming collapse.

We’re heading for a national, and perhaps global, catastrophe.  We can’t avoid that catastrophe by repudiating our National Debts.  Instead, repudiating our debts will only cause that catastrophe to happen much sooner.

Even so, the fact remains that our debts are already so enormous, that they can’t ever be paid in full.  That means that, sooner or later, we’ll be forced to openly repudiate most of the National Debt (and the correlative paper assets) and watch our economy decline or collapse.

 

•  The heart of our economic problem is the adoption of a debt-based monetary system and the correlative loss of tangible assets like gold and silver coin.   If you agree with this analysis, your most rational course of action should be to sell as much of your current paper “assets” as possible and use the proceeds to acquire as much gold and silver (real money; tangible assets) as you can before the collapse occurs—and then hang on tight.

After the collapse (repudiation of debt/cancellation of paper assets) begins, whatever few liquid assets remain will be in high, even desperate, demand.  The price of such real assets should skyrocket.  One ounce of gold might pay for the equivalent of a new Cadillac.  Three or four ounces of gold might buy a new house.  One ounce of gold might be enough to feed you and your family for a year.  Ten ounces of gold might be enough to buy controlling interest in a local business.  Fifty ounces of gold might buy enough stocks that you or your heirs might become fabulously wealthy after the economic collapse ends and the nation begins to slowly rebuild.

And, rebuild, we will (unless, of course, we’re in “End Times”—in which case you should be probably be reading the Bible rather than this article).

Still, before we see a legitimate recovery, we’re going to go through at least 5 to 10 years of national austerity and economic depression that might make your ears bleed.

More than likely, if the Greater Depression hasn’t already begun, it’ll start soon and become undeniable.  Those who hang onto paper assets will probably be ruined.  Those who acquire and hang onto tangible assets like gold and silver should survive with the least stress and the most opportunities.

 

 

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128 responses to “Repudiate the National Debt?

  1. Donna Lee

    April 12, 2014 at 4:55 PM

    The way I see it, is we’re trying to use 80+ years of outdated sound metal backed currency and are attempting to currently apply that principle to the mirror image which is a fiat debt based (opposite of sound money) and that simply will not work.

    Since debt IS money in this fiat debt based monetary system, doesn’t it follow that the ‘National Debt’ is the treasure trove of ‘money’ for the United States?

    Think about that paradigm shift long and hard…

     
    • marriglianese

      April 12, 2014 at 7:13 PM

      YOU CANT REPUDIATE NOTHING BUT YOU OR WE THE PEOPLE CAN FORCE THE TREASURY OR THE FEDERAL MOB TO FILE A BANKRUPCY PROCIDING A HAND FULL OF CRIMINALS AT JACKYL ISLAND DID THAT TO THE UNITED STATES AND PUT ALL THE PEOPLE UP FOR COLLATERAL WITH THE HELP OF THE CRIMINALS IN THE BLACK ROBE .
      IF WE FAIL TO WAKE UP HERE IS WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN BIRTH CERTIFICATE/#SSI + DRIVERS LICENSE # AND + D N A THAT ‘S YOUR MICROCHIP # AND IF YOU DONT OBEY YOU ARE SCREWED AND THAT’S IF YOU ARE STILL ALIVE .
      IF WE THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD UNITE AND PUT THE ELITE ON NOTICE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE BANKRUPTED FOR ALL THE CRIMES THAT THEY HAVE COMMITED AGINST HUMANITY THEY WILL BE EXCUTED AND THEN MAYBE BE TRIED BY ONE OF THEIR KANGAROO COURT .

      http://www.fear.org/history/Greek_History_of_Forf_England_ColonialAmerica.html

       
    • Henry

      April 14, 2014 at 10:32 AM

      Donna Lee > “Since debt IS money in this fiat debt based monetary system, doesn’t it follow that the ‘National Debt’ is the treasure trove of ‘money’ for the United States?”

      Clearly so.

      A debt is a negative asset, i.e. a liability.

      If US dollars are debt, then a debt denominated in US dollars is a double negative: a “debt of debt”, as it were.

      So a negative balance of US dollars is actually an asset.

       
  2. palani

    April 12, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    The method used to repudiate Lincoln’s war debt in 1868 was to pass the 14th amendment which emancipated a new generations’ government. That $346,681,016 that still remains of Lincoln’s debt has not changed since 1878 and nobody appears to be the wiser. No repudiation was necessary but rather an acceptance of a new government structure and an isolation of the organic governments’ debt from the younger governments’ debt.

    So when it comes to not paying back that which is impossible to repay why not look to the past successes of history and prepare for a duplication of the process. Bizarro world demands a bizarro money system.

     
    • J.M.

      April 13, 2014 at 11:40 AM

      palani,

      @ > Bizarro world demands a bizarro money system.

      You are my sunshine, my happy sunshine, you make me happy when skies are grey. palani I agree with you and the only reason I am saying this, other than I do agree with you is because: One time I saw a comment from someone, & I liked the message. I saw also, that another commenter liked the message too. I left a comment saying I agreed & how much I appreciated the message. No one else said anything in opposition about the message I liked. Then someone sent me a message saying I was WRONG for agreeing with the other two people. So, palani, the reason I am saying I agree with you is because if someone else doesn’t agree with you & are just too nice to tell you so, he/she can help himself/herself to disagreeing with me for agreeing with you. I aim to please. So if anyone out there doesn’t like palani’s comment & you want to find fault or whatever with palani’s comment but you are too nice to do so, just help yourself to me for agreeing with palani.

       
      • J.M.

        April 14, 2014 at 6:05 AM

        P.S.
        Also, after this poster advised me of how wrong I was, a few more chimed in, in agreement & started bringing to everyone’s attention about my mental depravity, & my poisoning this blog with my low content & of my no value disruptive, trolling only purpose & how I,J.M. am degrading this uniquely high quality blog. The only reason I, J.M. am including this is because I know everyone is vitally interested.

         
      • J.M.

        April 14, 2014 at 3:59 PM

        p.p.s VITAL is defined as, extremely important. This is for those who demand definitions.

         
  3. vibegirl

    April 12, 2014 at 7:20 PM

    Alfred, I am curious if you are familiar with the One Peoples Public Trust. There are a few video’s posted on YouTube from last year, and nothing since which make me wonder if it is legitimate. If true, it could be the solution to the global debt problem, could you comment on this?

     
    • Adask

      April 12, 2014 at 7:54 PM

      I can’t comment since I have no knowledge of the One People’s Public Trust.

       
      • J.M.

        April 13, 2014 at 10:01 AM

        We’re screwed
        We’ve been screwed

        That’s Right.

         
    • EarlatOregon

      April 14, 2014 at 2:17 PM

      In the mean time,
      the people themselves,
      could start using Gold or Silver,
      when Buying from their Friends, Family,and Neighbors.
      and Craigslist, Yard Sales, Flea Markets

       
      • EDOMS THORN

        April 14, 2014 at 5:02 PM

        ALL you have said here does nothing about the DEBT! Did it go away? Would it go away?
        Will the EDOMITE JEW Bankers attack dog IRS leave you alone if you don’t pay the JEWS their usury?

        Here are some FACTS about those EDOMITES!

        In two separate places, Sotah 10b, and Yalkut, 1,110, the TALMUD informs the Rabbis this most important fact: “Samael is the GUARDIAN ANGEL of Esau!!!” Esau/Edom, who calls themselves “Jews” today, the mighty warrior and antagonist tribe warring against Jacob/Israel and their God Jesus for eons – apparently has a very powerful spirit entity “guarding” and directing them from another dimension. Samael is their deity. Samael is their very identity. In the Edomite book Sayings of Rabbi Eliezer, Samael is also charged with being the one who tempted Eve, then seduced and impregnated her with Cain. Imagine that! In the book of Genesis, Christians understand this “Samael” is simply “The Serpent”. Now perhaps you can see and understand the ENMITY between Edomites and true Christians”.
        From Dr. A True Ott
        http:*//atrueott.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/righteous-blood-part-viii-uncle-samael-wants-you/

         
  4. Pat Fields

    April 12, 2014 at 7:27 PM

    Adask: “The paper debt and the paper asset aren’t separate.”

    There’s your conundrum. All financial instruments are government credit units which only it has authority to … call … ‘dollar’. All that crap seemingly issued by banks is conditioned by license. viz…

    “18 U.S. Code § 8 – Obligation or other security of the United States defined
    The term “obligation or other security of the United States” includes all bonds, certificates of indebtedness, national bank currency, Federal Reserve notes, Federal Reserve bank notes, coupons, United States notes, Treasury notes, gold certificates, silver certificates, fractional notes, certificates of deposit, bills, checks, or drafts for money, drawn by or upon authorized officers of the United States, stamps and other representatives of value, of whatever denomination, issued under any Act of Congress, and canceled United States stamps.”

    As I’d said on this forum before … the correct, permanent resolution is to revert all the credit back to residual real remaining physical value expression from 1912. That’s presently about 6 to 10 grams copper-weight of coin. This time, however, abandoning the ancient ‘Original Monetary Sin’ of denoting the coin by fixed fiat numerical ‘value’ … leaving markets to value it strictly on supply-demand within naturally occurring rationality.

    No one would be ‘richer’ nor ‘poorer’, so the matter of criminal ‘gain’ by fraud would still need to be adjudicated, but solidly grounded economy and finance would be restored and that’s the paramount task at hand … globally.

    The incurable ‘disease’ of 100 percent credit-‘money’ is that every unit in circulation, or on account ledgers is accruing compounding interest … indefinitely. That cumulative interest burden inevitably exceeds, first, export goods production, then secondly, production of internal consumption goods. Even where credit scrip is initially issued ‘debt-free’, the effect of circulating credit is to destructively distort accurate Price Discovery.

    Paper Rots, Coin Does Not.

     
    • J.M.

      April 13, 2014 at 8:32 PM

      Hey Pat Fields

      How are you? Fine & dandy I hope. Pat, did you find anything of value in the “money quotes” dejure, posted? Was there anything about a “high Court” saying Federal Reserve Notes are not dollars & are not money?

       
    • J.M.

      April 18, 2014 at 12:13 PM

      Thanks Pat

       
  5. J.M.

    April 12, 2014 at 8:47 PM

    14th Amendment, in pertinent part;

    The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

    If the public debt cannot be questioned, how can the medium used to create the public debt be questioned ? Anyway, all of this subject matter is out of my ballpark.

     
  6. John

    April 12, 2014 at 9:30 PM

    The idea that borrowing creates wealth has flaws- (1) in the current system if one borrows $100k and commits to repay the same amount say at 10% interest he must come up with $110k to discharge the debt. Where does the extrta $10k come from? The lender does not create the $10k when the loan is made so it has to come from the overall currency supply or the common pool; therefore, the currency supply is reduced by $10k and therefore some other person is without currency to operate or buy milk for his baby. Thus the reason banks have to constantly make more fraudulent loans to inject more currency into the supply chain. Otherwise the supply of currency would dry up. Banks would all go bankrupt if the current system did not allow them fractional reserves i.e. $100 on deposit then they loan out $90.
    (2) Increasing the fiat currency supply causes devaluation of the currency; gov calls it inflation. If the currency is less valuable compared to commodities then the standard of living goes down unless one can increase his earning capacity, i.e. why many wives end up going to work, which by the way is an assault on the family; one of the reasons there are some many troubled children these days.
    (3) The biggest problem with debt is as Washington said – “Debt comes with a leash”. A man or woman in debt is a slave and that is the real reason for the existing system. The Rothschild’s have become very wealthy loaning to governments for at least the last 100 years and are responsible for the wars seen in the last century or so. The banks own the government of many nations and thus the destruction of liberty. The oligarchy needs slaves.
    Conclusion – the destruction of the debt based system should be our primary concern and we should get out of debt based assets and into hard assets – gold, silver and land and commodities.
    The ancient inhabitants of American continents had a gold and silver money system tied to the fruits of the earth – a measure of barley was worth a piece of gold a certain size and a measure of silver a certain size. These values were fixed and thus their money could not be devalued and commodities could not be inflated. If we had a similar system we could build real wealth based on our labor and genius and cause or national economy to boom as it was before the Federal reserve system went into effect in 1913.

     
  7. Toland

    April 12, 2014 at 10:37 PM

    A similar thing happened in Russia in 1998, when their government couldn’t make its debt payments. The currency inflated, banks went bust, grocery store shelves emptied so you had to eat from tin cans in your basement, etc.

    Russia dealt with its particular “cannot pay” emergency through a policy of selective default. That is, it ceased payments to international creditors, while giving priority to debts owed its own citizens.

    Another thing that happened there, which could happen here too, was international Big Money tried to swoop in and buy up everything at fire sale prices (using other fiat currencies) while Russia was vulnerable.

    Russian patriots prevented this opportunistic invasion from succeeding, thus giving their nation time to get back on its feet.

     
  8. Donna Lee

    April 13, 2014 at 4:37 PM

    This entire mirage is just that, a mirage.

    I wanted to give an update on Boris (who I recommended very highly to Alfred) and Boris’ method which I completed back in February, 2014:

    One month to the day that the final UCC 3’s were filed, I received a call from a Landsman/Curative company called Veritas 321 who was working on behalf of Apache Corporation, informing me that my father had been dead for 13 years…but wait they said, there’s more: They informed me I was heir to interests in oil, gas, minerals and land in Reagan County, Texas which happens to be in the Permian Basin in the Spraberry Term (Field) which happens to be sitting on part of a proven and accessible 2.2 Trillion cubic meters? of natural gas. There’s 2 active vertical wells and they are doing a horizontal drill right now.

    Turns out, my great great grandfather had purchased 640 acres of land from one who had a land patent back in 1914. 100 years ago. And I’m just now hearing about this? Why?

    I believe it was because I checked the box for as extracted, but moreso that the box was checked that these filings were to be in the REAL ESTATE records.

    I had heard that there were supposed to be search parties sent for us, but I believe the extent of their ‘search’ only involves checking the UCC REAL ESTATE records to see if any heir comes forth and makes their own self known. So this isn’t about them finding us, it’s about us finding ourselves and making ourself known on the record. Trust me, if you’d heard the lame stories they tried to give when asked why are they just now contacting me when my father (the heir) had been deceased for 13 years and finding he never got a penny that was rightfully his, you would know it was the UCC filings as well, without a doubt.

    Veritas 321 kept telling me they were going to send me out an Affidavit of Heirship but when their mailing arrived, it contained a Form W-9 they wanted me to fill out along with a Ratification of oil, gas and mineral lease (wherein it stated in ten (10) places that I was the Owner. I queried Veritas 321 as to how one could be an heir AND an Owner at the same time. (I realized this was an attempt at major repudiation to get the heir to pay for their ‘debts’/costs. After much stuttering with no answer, Veritas 321 said they would send me an Affidavit of Heirship.

    But it’s ok, I made my own, minus the Ownership terms. Along with a Notice of and Superior Claim sent registered mail to the US attorney general, United States Treasury, Texas General Land office and Reagan County Deeds and Records.

    Bottom line: We all need to make ourselves known because all of us have many interests that have been concealed from us!

     
    • moon

      April 14, 2014 at 2:24 PM

      Donna Lee, this is a bit of a sideline to your main point, but it’s something I want to mention.

      When I read Veritas 321 in your comment, it caught my attention. This company and/or name has surfaced somewhere in my past although I haven’t placed where yet. My feeling about this was less than positive.

      Then, I went to the website of Veritas 321 Energy Partners, LP and did some reading. What I read didn’t improve my feelings about this group. Among other things, why is there no biography for Doug Tull, one of the founders? This seems a bit strange.

      I’d be leery of doing any business with them and hope you’ll be able to stay clear of them.

       
  9. timmy

    April 13, 2014 at 9:40 PM

    Another crucial element in the Jubilee system is this: since everyone knew when the year was approaching, it created and automatic self limiting governor on the lenders and the issuance of debt. The lenders in their own self interest would throttle back loans as the year approached. In this way the total debt was reigned back down. Another example of the superiority of God’s simple yet brilliant systems. The current system goes exponential, with compounding on compounding since there is no limiter to ramp debt issuance back down systemically.

     
    • Donna Lee

      April 13, 2014 at 11:06 PM

      These lenders aren’t lending anything. What they are doing is tantamount to this:

      Say you take your paycheck to the bank, sign it and present it to the bank teller as you’ve done for years in which they’ve always given you FRN’s and such in return.

      But this time, you take your paycheck to the bank, signed and you hand it to the bank teller and the bank teller says we’re not going to give you the FRN’s for your paycheck but we will loan you the monies from your paycheck which you can pay back to us over time, with interest.

      Would anybody agree with that? Hells no! That’s absolutely absurd.

      But this is the exact same thing they are doing with student ‘loans’, automobiles, credit cards and mortgages, just on a much larger scale.

      The banks aren’t loaning anything, other than extending you your own credit that they got in advance at the Treasury based upon your instrument which they deposit as cash for the full face value under the pretext that they are holding your monies for your own benefit. Yeah right. They turn around, having never disclosed your credit they took in your name, and do a 1099A for abandonment when you don’t claim what they never disclosed belonged to you to begin with.

       
      • J.M.

        April 14, 2014 at 5:54 AM

        Donna Lee,

        @ >Yeah right

        Yeah Right, You got that right.

        I am holding in my hand a document the size of a personal check.You know the pay to the order type of personal check. In the center of this document at the top, it says, In God We Trust. Right under this, & to the left it says, Ninth Amendment Bill Of Credit. Under this, the words written in the Ninth Amendment are written. Under this, it says,This Bill Of Credit Is

        Worth ——————————————— $————————————–Dollars, And is Legal Tender for the Payment of All Unlawful Debts Public and Private.

        …………………………………………………………………………………………………——————————–
        …………………………………………………………………………………………………..Your Signature ^^^^

        The Federal Reserve Bank of New York says: Money doesn’t have to be issued by a Government or be in any special form.

         
    • J.M.

      April 14, 2014 at 4:04 AM

      timmy,

      @ > Another crucial element in the Jubilee system is this

      Why discuss something that doesn’t apply NOW ? As Alfred Adask said, > In the Old Testament world, the debts (promises to pay) and the assets (tangible wealth in the form of cattle, gold or silver) were two different kinds of financial “instruments”. They were largely separate. Each could exist (or disappear) without regard to the other. You could cancel the debt without destroying the tangible assets. Read the remainder of what he said re: Jubilee

       
  10. pop de adam

    April 14, 2014 at 7:10 AM

    If debt is money, spend more than you have.

    If debt troubles you and you requires credit to satisfy this debt you will be rewarded with more credit so you may access more debt.

    This hurts my mind.

     
    • Donna Lee

      April 14, 2014 at 8:14 AM

      Debt is not money to you and I, pop de adam, debt is money to the gOVERnMENt. The major problem is, most people are 80+ years in the past trying to use sound money principles when that simply has not existed for 80 years. Most are trying to compare apples and oranges.

      P.S. I like your example, if debt is money, spend more than you have. And isn’t that exactly what the gOVERnMENt is doing?

       
      • J.M.

        April 14, 2014 at 8:27 AM

        @ >debt is money to the gOVERnMENt.

        gOVERnMENt.< Donna Lee, you got that right TOO Yeah right, you got that right. Quit being right so much. lol

         
  11. citizenquasar

    April 14, 2014 at 8:58 AM

    It’ll probably never happen but I say to repudiate the debt. Just zero it out. This is because the entire debt is odious and fraudulent. Never mind the fact that it will never be paid anyway. Never mind any Jubilee. Just get rid of it.

    Also, for what it is worth (No pun intended.) there is much evidence that there is a lot of precious metal bullion, perhaps even more than is in circulation, that is secret and off the books. There is even some speculation, and i am among the speculators, that a secret space program utilizing anti-gravity craft has already explored the solar system and has mined precious metals off of asteroids.

     
    • moon

      April 14, 2014 at 9:17 AM

      citizenquasar, “for what it’s worth” is actually worth a bunch to a holder of precious metal in that financially conservative college/university endowment funds, so called “widows and orphans” funds (funds very strict against speculative investments), and central banks, have been moving into metals for several years. Not long ago, precious metals were portrayed to be very speculative investments even as conservative investors were moving into them. Was that a trick? Maybe.

      Asteroid mining would certainly change the meaning of “above ground” in considering supply of precious metals.

       
      • J.M.

        April 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM

        moon,
        Glad you’re back. Citizenquasar is the one who said, zero it out. I told him to go ahead & do it. I do not have anything to zero out anyway. 0+0 is the same as 0-0 = O.

        Did you see my post ordering you to get your hindquarters back here on this blog? Glad you are back & this IS something I thought I would never say. Anyway, I said before that this subject matter IS out of my ballpark. I only comment so some people can have somebody to chew on. I get to thinking I could learn something from them. Cheers.

         
      • J.M.

        April 15, 2014 at 3:00 AM

        moon,
        Howdy Pardner,

        @ > You and citizenquasar probably aren’t on the holder side of the “debt” under consideration…if you were, you might not be suggesting the zero out idea.

        I NEED everyone to understand in the whole entire United States & Texas too that I don’t give two hoots in a holler whether it is zeroed IN or OUT I just don’t give a big rat’s hindquarters one way OR the “other.” Happy Trails.

         
      • J.M.

        April 15, 2014 at 11:55 AM

        Good morning, moon,

        @ J.M., good morning. Have you been up all night again? I know you’re busy, but burning the candle at both ends will extinguish the candle about twice as fast.

        It is seemingly impossible for me to get a good night’s rest anymore. My mind is overtaxed, I believe. I guess I just pass out only to dream about robot zombie like people surrounding me & coming after me from everywhere. I wake up with my heart beating 90 mph & am haggard & almost afraid to TRY & go back to sleep. Maybe the demons are rumblin. Still, I don’t think they are in me, but I know damn well they are trying their damndest to be. It’s another one of those wrestling matches against wicked spirits. BUT, when I surround myself with wicked evil people, should I expect anything less? I have 2 dogs. I KNOW they have some kind of instinct that something is wrong. I can be reading somebody’s comment trying to figure out where somebody is “really” coming from & they pick up on “something” & try to distract me to get their attention by crying, etc. jumping all over me, etc..At first it peeved me off, at what they were doing. NOW I understand what they were trying to tell me. They DO have some king of “sense” people do not, or at least most people. Anyway, I like to read the articles,i.e. the introductory sections by Alfred on each new thread. & this is what I am going to try & do IF I can instead of my low content commenting as much as I do. Anyway, good morning to you

         
    • J.M.

      April 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM

      @ >Just zero it out.

      What are you waiting for? Do it. Zero it out.

       
      • moon

        April 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM

        J.M., good morning. Have you been up all night again? I know you’re busy, but burning the candle at both ends will extinguish the candle about twice as fast. A nap soon might help, good buddy.

        You and citizenquasar probably aren’t on the holder side of the “debt” under consideration…if you were, you might not be suggesting the zero out idea.

        If you were on the holder side of this “debt”, you might well have spent your lives and careers toward the perpetuation of this “debt”. Regardless of how others perceive it, myth or some such, you, being on the holder side, would be intent on keeping it going and maintained. You would also be vested in identifying those who are on the borrower side of the “debt”. You would be concerned with folks like me who have determined that they’re not on either side of that debt…neither lender nor borrower.

        Those who aren’t a party to the “debt” have no ability to do anything with it.

         
      • moon

        April 14, 2014 at 10:43 AM

        Oops, maybe I need a nap…forgot to finish my point.

        When this “debt”, myth or some such, runs out of enough victims to maintain it, it will probably be dealt with in a similar manner as the debt that palani mentioned. It just won’t be talked about very much.

         
  12. tom

    April 14, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    Real money “gold” is still mostly used as a way to expediate commerce to easily settle accounts, that is first and foremost. FRN’s would have been suitable for this purpose until depreciation and crony practice of “infusing the system with liquidity” for friends of the central bank finally make itclear to everyone how current money creation occurs.

    Real assets are the goods and to say we can not have a Jubilee because we use artificially created money rather than gold is perposterous.

    You need to get that nonsense out of your head. What are you going to keep the system of debt bondage goin forever. Get over it and have the Jubilee as the Scripture provides.

     
  13. EarlatOregon

    April 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM

    There is No need to Repudiate the Debt.

    Dollars are made of Paper and Ink.

    Is there are Shortage of paper or Ink?

    What there is a Shortage of is
    Production of Useful Goods.

    People who buy things,
    buy what is to them is Useful.

    Dollars are what makes the Transactions possible,

    If you want to increase the Demand for a Currency,
    Produce and Sell what people want,
    whether to those in America,
    or to those outside of America.

    If America produces enough to match,
    what America consumes from foreign countries,
    those foreign countries will Need Dollars,
    to Buy US Dollars,
    in order to Buy those US Products.

     
    • J.M.

      April 16, 2014 at 1:36 AM

      @ >Dollars are made of Paper……….”

      WOW !!! Then money DOES grow on trees.

       
  14. EarlatOregon

    April 14, 2014 at 2:02 PM

    .

    .
    .

    There is No need to Repudiate the Debt.
    .
    .

    If America produces enough to match,
    what America consumes from foreign countries,
    those foreign countries will Need Dollars,
    to Buy US Dollars,
    in order to Buy those US Products.

    Congress thru NAFTA, GATT,WTO treaties
    have Moved 1/3 of US Factories overseas,
    Reducing demand for US Products,
    and thus US Dollars.

    The US involvement in the War in the Crimea,
    is to Sell US Natural Gas,
    and thus increase US exports,
    which causes an increase in Demand,
    for US Dollars.
    .
    .

    for Example

    Statement on Energy Department natural gas export study
    Dec 5, 2012
    Senator Ron Wyden’s office issued the following statement
    in response to an Energy Department-commissioned study
    on the effect of Exporting liquefied natural gas:

    … the study appears to confirm that Exports of LNG
    will Raise the domestic Price of natural gas.

    Senator Wyden is insisting that impacts such as these (Raised Prices)
    guide the Export policy that the Obama Administration is developing
    with respect to natural gas and energy … .

    Senator Wyden will continue to call on (not write legislation)
    the Energy Department
    to ensure that unfettered natural gas Exports
    don’t harm U.S. consumers and manufacturers.

    It is critical that Exports do not squeeze out
    or price out (of reach = make unaffordable)
    … .

    DOE has Already approved LNG Exports
    that equal nearly one-third of the U.S. daily natural gas consumption,
    and has a Similar Volume of applications pending.
    (that would make 2/3ds of natural gas
    Exported.

    The agency has an obligation to consider
    the potential impact of this
    Massive volume of Exports.

    Massive volume of Exports.

    Repudiating the Debt is Not needed.
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .

     
  15. EarlatOregon

    April 14, 2014 at 2:03 PM

    ..

    .
    .
    .
    .

    Repudiating the Debt is Not needed.

    In 1999, the head of the Euro Bank,
    which was the Head of the Deutche Bank,

    said ” We intend the Euro Dollar,
    will become,
    the Reserve currency of the World.”

    Europe, America’s most dangerous Adversary,
    will take advantage of a repudiation,
    and then the Euro Dollar,
    will become the Reserve Currency of the World.

    America can Keep the Reserve Currency Status,
    but time is growing short.

    What is Needed,
    is Increase of Production,
    of useful goods,
    then trade those goods for FRN’s
    then Retire those FRN’s
    for United States Notes,
    Buy Silver
    then Retire those United States Notes
    for Silver Certificates.

    In the mean time,
    the people themselves,
    could start using Gold or Silver,
    when Buying from their Friends, Family,and Neighbors.
    and Craigslist, Yard Sales, Flea Markets
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .

     
  16. EDOMS THORN

    April 14, 2014 at 4:51 PM

    FACT: It is admitted that 85 to 90% of ALL so called JEWS in the world are not of Jacob/ISRAEL. They are EDOMITES, Jacobs Brother. AND that is who I am referring to, every time I use the word JEW™. So HUSH UP the ignorant defense of what you know nothing about!

    The Moral, Foreign Policy and Economic Dilemma that the Western Nations have found themselves in was foretold in the Bible. In my opinion, the KEY to understanding the N.W.O. is understanding EDOM (Rev. 3:9 Zionist JEWS) and who True ISRAEL is.
    I have known that America is being Destroyed by “DESIGN” because “WE” in the Western Nations are True Israel, and Esau/EDOM has gained control of the Western Nations (ISRAEL) Economic, Foreign and Domestic Policies to turn the world against US and aide in our destruction! EDOM controls the Education System, and the filth and perversion from Hollywood and the lies and cover ups in the MS Media.
    Abortion IS A Satanic Ritual Sacrifice that EDOM has carried out since NIMROD. Margaret Sanger WAS an EDOMITE JEWESS!
    EDOM is responsible for Multiculturalism and Forced Open Borders, and the Destruction of Nationalism World Wide! ALL that EDOM has us involved in and DOES, is in direct opposition to God, and Godly Principles!

    What TRIBE has been Expelled since AD250 from 109 locations?
    The reason that TRIBE was expelled was not do to being Gods Chosen™…

    WE must expel those EDOMITES!

    To those that are willing to think for themselves. and have “Eyes to See and Ears to Hear” IF you are honest, you can see a PATTERN.
    History proves and the Apostle Paul agrees, the EDOMITE JEWS are Hated and Contrary to ALL of “WE” the GOYIM!
    I Thessalonians 2:14-15 “For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men”:

    Proverbs 1:20-22 Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets: She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying, How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?”

     
    • J.M.

      April 14, 2014 at 5:23 PM

      On the Standing Firm thread, the following is a message FROM Edoms Thorn, to, “Amy.”
      Please take note of Edoms Thorn saying, > You said “SHALOM” Are you a JEWESS? Actually take note of the entire message.
      I, J.M. am the “proven liar and slanderer” Edoms Thorn is speaking of.

      EDOMS THORN

      March 25, 2014 at 1:00 PM

      I do not understand why you resort to speaking in riddles and babbling’s. What does “LOVE” got to do with defending myself from J.M.’s slanderous attacks? What does LOVE have to do with wanting that TROLL to answer my questions of which, (like an intellectual coward) he runs from, and then belittles me without providing ANY facts to back up any of his disagreement?

      You posted that comment to Henry to ME. It was in my wordpress ‘notifications’ and I can only assume you meant it for me. You did not answer my questions yet you defend a PROVEN LIAR and slanderer. WHY?
      You said “SHALOM” Are you a JEWESS? What ever you are you are clearly offend by the Biblical and Historical FACTS that I have presented. That ‘offense’ is evident by your lack of substantive argument and your innuendo with pointing to 1 Corinthians 13:1-3 that my response to the troll is wrong and as you imply, “NOT CHRIST LIKE” So you also slander me?.

      EDOMS THORN! Where the unrefuted facts a just a mouse click away!

       
      • EDOMS THORN

        April 14, 2014 at 5:31 PM

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        Thank you J.M. I could not have said it better myself!

        Let me share some more FACTS concerning EDOM!

        Israel Jacob Yuval
        TWO Nations in Your Womb:Perceptions of Jews and Christians in Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages

        Page 14 CH. 1 introduction

        …”Iranaeus’s typological move is clearly continued by the Church Fathers of the third centry- Cyprian, Origen, and Tertullian. The Christians countered the Jewish equation: Jacob = Jews, Esau = Rome, with the opposite equation: Jacob = Christian, Esau = Jews. It is noteworthy that these parallel systems of idenification emerged at the same time”… P 15 …” What led Jews in the second century C.E. to consider Rome a “brother?” What did such a kinship have to do with the dreary Destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple?”…

        Psalm 137:7 Remember, O Lord, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.

        …” What led Jews in the second century C.E. to consider Rome a “brother?”… They were of EDOM and had control of Jerusalem in Jesus’ day and TODAY! Edom had perverted the Remnant of JUDAH with their Babylonian Talmud and defiled the Temple! EDOM brought on the Roman Destruction of Jerusalem because as we see, EDOM (JEWS) are intolerable where ever they are found!

        The SYNAGOGUE Of SATAN: EDOMS Playground
        http:*//edomsthorn.wordpress.com/2014/01/28/the-synagogue-of-satan-edoms-playground/

         
      • J.M.

        April 14, 2014 at 5:36 PM

        The following is a message from me to Edoms Thorn in response to Edoms Thorn
        I, J.M. “tried” to answer EVERYTHING Edoms Thorn threw at me.

        J.M.
        March 23, 2014 at 4:34 PM

        Edoms THORN,
        @ >So if you can not discern my answer from that…. HERE IT IS.
        @> NO!
        @> NOT “NO” BUT “…HELL NO”….

        Thanks E.T.

        My answer to the Holy Bible saying, Adam knew his wife Eve, & she conceived & gave birth to Cain……………” IS IS IS,

        YES! NOT, just “YES”!!! BUT HELL “YES”!!!. I believe what it, The Holy Bible, says. You showed YOUR song, E.T. I HOPE I have SHOWN you MINE. QUIT YELLING AT ME, E.T. lol

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        April 14, 2014 at 5:42 PM

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        YOU lie! I do not! You proved yourself to be an intellectual Coward many times! You RAN from too many questions and only ridiculed and slandered me. You have PROVEN that you are dishonest!

        It is your Character that is questionable! Not mine!

         
    • J.M.

      April 14, 2014 at 5:46 PM

      EDOMS THORN,

      IS this, by this thread, staying on TOPIC as YOU said I COULD NOT SEEM TO DO? How many times E.T. have I begged you to PLEASE START telling The People of Israel what ISRAEL should be doing INSTEAD of continually just saying WHO Israel IS?? Keep running your mouth, & once again for ALL of you REPROBATES who want the TRUTH, & ALL of the TRUTH & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, as EDOMS THORN SAYS, > EDOMS THORN! Where the unrefuted facts a just a mouse click away!

       
      • J.M.

        April 14, 2014 at 5:56 PM

        P.S
        I have bigger fish to FRY than to go through ALL this B.S. AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN.

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        April 14, 2014 at 6:02 PM

        To some people the truth is B.S. I know that it is the truth because it ALL goes unrefuted and ignored as if the truth well go away.

        My first post was on topic! The BIG problem here is, all that is presented here are SYMPTOMS of the DISEASE! The infection and INFESTATION of EDOM is what needs to be addressed! WE know what the problems are. It is time to learn how and WHO has brought these problems to our Western Nations! AND then we can formulate a viable plan to rid ourselves of these PARASITES!

         
      • deb

        April 15, 2014 at 6:03 PM

        ET

        @It is time to learn how and WHO has brought these problems to our Western Nations! AND then we can formulate a viable plan to rid ourselves of these PARASITES!

        Some do know it is the Canaanite reptilians seeking to do their father’s will in eliminating the true heirs of the promise. Do you yourself have a viable plan to rid “ourselves” of these slimy slithering hissssssing brood of vipers? A flight to Bozrah perhaps?

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        April 15, 2014 at 8:19 PM

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        deb,

        The first step is to “LEARN”. And that will not be easy for most.

        But that was not your question. I do have a “PLAN”, but that will bring cries of “anti Semite” or attacks that I am a Hitler wanna be. But the fact is, those vipers you mentioned have nearly deceived the whole world into believing they are Gods Chosen™ people. They must be identified as the “Generation Of Vipers” that Messiah said they were.

        You called them …”Canaanite reptilians”… which tells me you actually have a clue. Another name that they are called is “Kenite”, or Sons of CAIN. You may also know that EDOM married into that ‘Seed Line’ and EDOM are those that are said to be impersonating Jacob/JUDAH in Scripture.
        Another statement you made that I find very revealing was, …” eliminating the true heirs of the promise.”… which is (to those that will be “Found Approved”) a reference to True ISRAEL, not “JEWS”.
        The PLAN will not be limited, but will include, Identifying them and their “fellow travelers”, i.e. “if it walks like a duck”, or “you can judge a tree by it’s fruit”. In short, it will begin with MASS arrest’s and trials and then the MAXIMUM PUNISHMENT if, they have by their actions or in-actions, been a detriment to our “life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” This will also include the scrutiny of the motives and actions of ALL Public Servants, news media and education system. The Court System from local to the Supreme Court. and arresting those that have committed any crimes against the Constitution. Their crimes involving the poisoning of our air, water and food supply’s. The Foreign and Domestic Policies that have brought wars and death to the innocent. The forced open borders policies. ABORTION etc. etc.

        You get the point. But it will have to be a Declaration of war if we are to save our Nation. I say arrest and expel them. They got their “HOMELAND”, why are we plagued by them. Why are the bound to see to our destruction, not just as a Nation, but as a “people” OUR race is under a Genocidal assault.
        I understand that we can’t say they are only “JEWS” working against us, but the truth is, that was part of their plan. They have infiltrated us at every point. If “WE” look, we can find CRYPTO JEWS in many areas of influence and power.

        I hope that helps, and you can see that we are in a heap of trouble and it will not be easy. I hope I didn’t make it sound easy, and I am certain I do not want to be the one to make the decisions, but we must do something together. They have us divided on so many fronts, and the “JEW” word is in the way of our understanding!

        The New World Oder is not going to be avoided, and I do not want to prevent Gods plan from happening! I say WE Wake up and stand like MEN and WOMEN and make EDOM bomb us into the N.W.O. instead of the way we are going, willingly placing halters around “OUR” necks through willing IGNORance and allowing EDOM and Satan to have their way!

        LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC! Get EDOM out of AMERICA!

        Obadiah 1:6-7 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up! All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.

        Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it.

        EDOMS N.W.O. plot is going to be uncovered,verse 6-7 I am trying to help that along.
        And WE WIN in the end, verse 18

         
      • deb

        April 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM

        ET, thanks– a bit long– but i shall try to respond to a few points as I understand Yah’s plan. I was taken aback by some of things you mentioned. I hear the passion and fire in you, in your post but (I) believe it is misdirected.

        First, i’m sure you are aware from the signs of the fig tree, we are the last generation in this grand scale chess game and the battle is already won. There are two kingdoms/nations in this world and only two. The Kingdom of Yah and the kingdoms of this world which are of Satan and everyone belongs to one or the other–some by birth and some by choice. Can’t be loyal to Yah’s kingship and to the CONstitution of man-made uSA. No two citizenships. I for one am of the commonwealth of Ysra’El. I can no longer subject myself to the rule of men or use their laws for my benefit. It may cost my life and i pray that He will give me the power to overcome until the end.

        Yah is our Judge, Yah is our Lawgiver, Yah is our King and He will save us.

        In Yah’s kingdom we rule or should rule by the commandments of Yah and the sword of the Spirit who indwells and empowers us to do His will. And His will has nothing to do with “LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC……..” because this republic was not instituted on Yah’s WORD and His rule ALONE, but based on man made constitutions and declarations etc., which apparently has been masonic/jesuit expressed and imposed on the auspice of “In God We Trust” trust for the benefit of Satan’s worshipers the Kenites and all their offspring derivative who have from the beginning of time wanted to have dominion and be worshipped, whose end will come. This He has allowed because He has afflicted His chosen for disobedience and waywardness. But He is full of mercy and compassion and He will deliver us.

        @In short, it will begin with…
        Yahshua’s command is clear–“‘Come out of her,(babylonian kenite beast system) my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; Rev.18:4 The problem is, is that even after the New Covenant Yahshua instituted, His chosen went whoring after the gods (governments, rules, regulations etc.) of this world for breads and circuses in other words privileges and benefits the father State gives them. Our mission our passion is, or should be, to find the LOST (not preach to the dead who can never be saved) and show them Yahweh’s Kingdom, the kingdom that is not of this world. But this Lost number is minuscule–a remnant and they can’t be sought and found while we are in pursuit of destroying the enemy of Yah which Yah says “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.”

        @But it will have to be a Declaration of war if we are to save our Nation.
        This nation is an amalgamation of peoples, the majority which are NOT the chosen and not united in Yahshua–the chosen being a remnant only. How is this remnant, scattered in the four corners of this earth going to accomplish what you suggest without supernatural intervention? It can’t. His nation is His elect which keep His commandments and the testimony of Yahshua, no? Does “this Nation–usa” obey Him and have His testimony? This war you mention cannot be fought but by the returning Messiah in His glory and we with Him by His side. This war/wrath is His but the casualties are going to be great not just for the Edomites who will be burnt up, but especially for His chosen who were and allowed themselves to be deceived–because they didn’t heed the command to “COME OUT OF HER”. On the contrary, they joined themselves to the enemies of Yah and that is why this country is in the shambles it’s in.

        @I say WE Wake up and stand like MEN and WOMEN…
        Yes we need to do this not in our own power but in the power of the Most High Yah and speak HIS words to the mountains/rulers and proclaim Yah is God of all gods and there is none else beside Him, His kingdom has come His will be done. Yahshua said they will hate you because they have hated Me first. I believe the chosen ones who have heard and whose eyes were opened, need to leave this behemoth kingdom and flee. And we will be pursued by the enemy but we have the promise that He will keep us from the hour that will come upon the earth in that “day of His wrath” to try them. I believe the remnant will be supernaturally protected in that day.
        Micah 2:12-13 says: “I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their (Edom) fold: they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men.
        The breaker is come up before them: they have broken up, and have passed through the gate, and are gone out by it: and their king shall pass before them, and the Lord on the head of them.”

        @EDOMS N.W.O. plot is going to be uncovered,verse 6-7 I am trying to help that along.
        The plot has already been revealed from the beginning for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, but can you show me in scripture where we are commanded or asked to help Yahweh destroy our/His enemies? I, don’t believe anything anyone may attempt to or will do by carnal means, will hasten the demise of Babylon which will occur in one hour, or hasten the return of Messiah to put an end to all the injustice done to His chosen–the true Israel of Yah. But this is, HIS plan, HIS battle and His elect will just be there for the ride.

        I like your passion but I for one am not looking to battle my enemy physically but with His Word which is sharper than any two edged sword and able to bring down strongholds better than an ak 47. The way I see it, is, “let the dead fight/bury their dead”. Why would you put yourself on the frontline of America/Russia/Syria etc, edomites, instead of being a spokesman/Ambassador/Priest for the Kingdom of Yahweh? Long live my King, the King of kings and Adonai of lords. Blessed be His name for-ever.

        looking forward

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        April 16, 2014 at 7:37 PM

        `

        `Thanks deb, I have to agree with all you said for the most part. Your assessment of some of what I said however, appears to be based on “the plan” not taking into consideration that the PLAN was contingent upon, as I said, …”The first step is to “LEARN”… AND that was …”how and WHO has brought these problems to our Western Nations!”…

        ALSO, I am of the opinion that to “resist evil, is rather to obey God”

        First things first. I am a watchman. I seek to awake OUR kinsmen to their True Identity. I sometimes do that by exposing just who Messiah was referring to in Revelation 3:9 etc. I use Gods word to PROVE His word as we can clearly see (IF they have eyes to see) it made manifest in the world.

        Genesis 25:23 And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

        There we see that Esau/EDOM wast o serve ISRAEL, but now it is the other way around, and the reason is found in Deuteronomy 28 as I am sure you know.

        Deuteronomy 28 is to the Children of ISRAEL,
        What America was
        Deuteronomy 28:12 The Lord shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

        And WHAT America has become>>>
        Deuteronomy 28:43-44 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low. He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail”.

        And that stranger is EDOM. And EDOM has gained control of the Western Nations Economic, Foreign and Domestic Policies.

        EDOM is responsible for Multiculturalism and Forced Open Borders, and the Destruction of Nationalism World Wide! ALL that EDOM does and has us involved in, is in direct opposition to God, and Godly Principles!

        IF OUR KINSMEN learn WHO they are, that may lead our Nation to 2 Chronicles 7:14
        But EDOM has long infiltrated the Seminaries and Churches. EDOM owns the publishing house’s.

        AND now we have
        Ezekiel 34:6-10 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them. Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord; As I live, saith the Lord God, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock; Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord; Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock;”…

        AND we SEE that God is going to deal with the ‘shepherds’…

        Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

        Sister, I reserve the right to come back and further state my position lol.. It has been a long day. I do thank you for you careful consideration, and respect your position.

        I am thankful to Al Adask also for allowing us to share our thoughts and opinions here.

        I wanted to share the following information with those that are interested.
        The “Noahide Laws” ARE on the books and come from EDOM!

        NOAHIDE LAWS AND DECAPITATION FOR CONFESSING JESUS IS LORD
        http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/noahide_laws.htm

        IT IS IN FACT, THE LUBAVITCH JEWISH MOVEMENT OF WHICH THE NWO IS BASED
        http://www.cuttingedge.org/ce1090.html

        Israel Jacob Yuval
        TWO Nations in Your Womb:Perceptions of Jews and Christians in Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        April 16, 2014 at 7:40 PM

        Thanks deb, I have to agree with all you said for the most part. Your assessment of some of what I said however, appears to be based on “the plan” not taking into consideration that the PLAN was contingent upon, as I said, …”The first step is to “LEARN”… AND that was …”how and WHO has brought these problems to our Western Nations!”…

        ALSO, I am of the opinion that to “resist evil, is rather to obey God”

        First things first. I am a watchman. I seek to awake OUR kinsmen to their True Identity. I sometimes do that by exposing just who Messiah was referring to in Revelation 3:9 etc. I use Gods word to PROVE His word as we can clearly see (IF they have eyes to see) it made manifest in the world.

        Genesis 25:23 And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

        There we see that Esau/EDOM wast o serve ISRAEL, but now it is the other way around, and the reason is found in Deuteronomy 28 as I am sure you know.

        Deuteronomy 28 is to the Children of ISRAEL,
        What America was
        Deuteronomy 28:12 The Lord shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

        And WHAT America has become>>>
        Deuteronomy 28:43-44 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low. He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail”.

        And that stranger is EDOM. And EDOM has gained control of the Western Nations Economic, Foreign and Domestic Policies.

        EDOM is responsible for Multiculturalism and Forced Open Borders, and the Destruction of Nationalism World Wide! ALL that EDOM does and has us involved in, is in direct opposition to God, and Godly Principles!

        IF OUR KINSMEN learn WHO they are, that may lead our Nation to 2 Chronicles 7:14 But EDOM has long infiltrated the Seminaries and Churchs. EDOM owns the publishing house’s.

        AND now we have
        Ezekiel 34:6-10 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them. Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord; As I live, saith the Lord God, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock; Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord; Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock;”…

        AND we SEE that God is going to deal with the ‘shepherds’…

        Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

        Sister, I reserve the right to come back and further state my position lol.. It has been a long day. I do thank you for you careful consideration, and respect your position.

        I am thankful to Al Adask also for allowing us to share our thoughts and opinions here.

        I wanted to share this with those that are interested.
        The “Noahide Laws” ARE on the books and come from EDOM!

        NOAHIDE LAWS AND DECAPITATION FOR CONFESSING JESUS IS LORD
        http:*//www.thewatcherfiles.com/noahide_laws.htm

        IT IS IN FACT, THE LUBAVITCH JEWISH MOVEMENT OF WHICH THE NWO IS BASED
        http:*//www.cuttingedge.org/ce1090.html

        Israel Jacob Yuval
        TWO Nations in Your Womb:Perceptions of Jews and Christians in Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages

         
      • deb

        April 16, 2014 at 11:16 PM

        ET thanks again,

        @I am of the opinion that to “resist evil, is rather to obey God”
        Yes, resist the Devil and he will flee from you.

        @ IF OUR KINSMEN learn WHO they are, that may lead our Nation to 2 Chronicles 7:14 But EDOM has long infiltrated the Seminaries and Churchs. — 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

        19 But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;
        20 Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations.
        21 And this house, which is high, shall be an astonishment to every one that passeth by it; so that he shall say, Why hath the Lord done thus unto this land, and unto this house?
        22 And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.

        It seems that we all have forsaken HIS statutes and HIS commandments and sought other gods, because of our indoctriNation. How true it is, the passage of Ezekiel 34, It’s for this reason that judgement will begin at the house of Yah. Ever wander what some of those other gods are?

        Ah but Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I (Messiah) that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. Isaiah 63 great chapter!

         
    • J.M.

      April 14, 2014 at 6:37 PM

      EDOMS THORN
      April 14, 2014 at 5:02 PM

      @ > ALL you have said here does nothing about the DEBT! Did it go away?

      E.T. All you say for the most part does nothing & goes for nothing too

      @ > Did it go away?

      No, the IT has not gone away YET, but I wish you would. Let Alfred Alone. This is not one of his days he feels like dealing with stupid. He has his hands full with me.

       
    • J.M.

      April 14, 2014 at 6:57 PM

      Edoms Thorn,

      @ > It is time to learn how and WHO has brought these problems to our Western Nations! AND then we can formulate a viable plan to rid ourselves of these PARASITES!

      EDOMS THORN, you say I dodge your questions. NO !!! NEVER have I done this. BUT MISTER THORN WHY DO YOU KEEP IGNORING my question to YOU, about what YOU think of the following. The FOLLOWING IS THE WAY TO GET RID OF THE PARASITES> Now, Mister Edom Thorn, ANSWER & SAY WHAT YOUR EDUCATED THOUGHTS ARE about 2nd Chronicles 7:14

      2nd Chronicles 7:14
      If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from them…… < & WHAT ELSE does it say HE will DO

       
      • J.M.

        April 15, 2014 at 2:39 PM

        EDOMS THORN
        March 24, 2014 at 9:34 PM, your message in pertinent part, you say, on this thread, Standing Firm

        WELL, that is in my honest EDUCATED opinion.
        —————————————————–

        Edoms Thorn SAYS; > WELL, that is in my honest EDUCATED opinion.

        Edoms Thorn says this, I, J.M, did not say it. Why do people get upset with me for saying what he said & not upset with him, Edoms Thorn for saying it?? Edoms Thorn says, It IS IN HIS HONEST EDUCATED opinion. He,E.T. uses ALL caps in the word educated so there will be no doubt as to what he means.

         
    • J.M.

      April 14, 2014 at 7:49 PM

      THORN in my side & heart,
      @ > It is your Character that is questionable! Not mine!

      RIGHT !!! I just ain’t got caught yet. Heeeeee Hawwwww !!!

       
      • J.M.

        April 14, 2014 at 7:53 PM

        Thorn in my heart,

        P.S. > MISTER THORN WHY DO YOU KEEP IGNORING my question to YOU, about what YOU think of the following. The FOLLOWING IS THE WAY TO GET RID OF THE PARASITES> Now, Mister Edom Thorn, ANSWER & SAY WHAT YOUR EDUCATED THOUGHTS ARE about 2nd Chronicles 7:14

        2nd Chronicles 7:14
        If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from them…… < & WHAT ELSE does it say HE will DO

        ANSWER THIS, EDOMS THORN !!! ANSWER IT !!!

         
    • J.M.

      April 14, 2014 at 8:07 PM

      THORN,
      @ > To some people the truth is B.S

      Thorn, I NEVER said you do not tell the truth about “some” things. I agree with you 100% when you say, “To some people the truth is B.S.” YES, I understand EXACTLY what you mean. Also, If you somehow can turn Alfred Adask against me, then I know you & yours can get back to business as usual & restore some sanity to this uniquely high quality blog, as Roger calls it. FIRST tho, you need to eliminate the SWINE as I am. Now Thorn, if you keep on goading me, I am going to sic moon on you & brother when moon gets a HOLT uhh yuh, ALL HELL GOAN BRAKE LOOSE. You doan waun no part of moon. blee me. NAW SUH !!

       
    • Anthony Clifton

      April 14, 2014 at 9:53 PM

      my research indicates that roughly 90% of so-called “Jews” are Khazar “Proselytes” to Talmudic Judaism, and the remaining so-called “Jews” although “Proselytes” to Talmudic Judaism are either Sepharvaim (Samaria) {Marrano, Mizrahi, Donmeh} [Bastard] or non-Israelites…

      The House of Ibn Saud is also of Edom, and not Ishmael. -http://www.radicalpress.com/

      which means that the “Jewish” State is a monumental fraud, as is the Federal Reserve
      and the “Jewish” media. http://buelahman.wordpress.com/

      Talmudic Judaism is BAD FAITH

       
      • EDOMS THORN

        April 14, 2014 at 10:07 PM

        `

        `As I have shown, The assertion that the sons of Japheth known as ASHKENAZIM make up 90% of the so called JEWS is problematic. They do not possess the ‘genetic code’ that the sons of CAIN and EDOM possess that makes them hate God or the Sons of ISRAEL. There is NOT even a hint in scripture that the Ashkenazi are impersonating the sons of JACOB! But there is proof that EDOM is!
        The “Ashkenazi” claim is another one of EDOMS FABLES!

        Now EDOM is a usurper and infiltrator and as The Messiah pointed out, they “proselytize” many into their Talmudic Religion, they did convert the some Ashenazis but that does not eliminate EDOM from being those of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9…

        The SYNAGOGUE Of SATAN: EDOMS Playground
        http:*//edomsthorn.wordpress.com/2014/01/28/the-synagogue-of-satan-edoms-playground/

         
    • J.M.

      April 14, 2014 at 10:50 PM

      Thorn in my side & heart, aka EDOMS THORN,

      @Thank you J.M. I could not have said it better myself!

      E.T. Do YOU, E.T., Remember ALL the times you said that, I, J.M. have a reading comprehension PROBLEM ? Actually, I can’t remember ALL of the times you said that either, that, I, J.M., have a reading comprehension PROBLEM. BUT, when I have a a reading comprehension PROBLEM, as you, E.T. say I HAVE, how can we get anywhere when you, E.T. have a reading understanding problem. Are you E.T. avoiding my question to you, about your EDUCATED thoughts & opinion of what 2nd Chronicles 7:14 SAYS??

      If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from them…… < & WHAT ELSE does it say HE will DO

      What is it you,THORN in my side & heart ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING about my question to YOU, E.T., about 2nd Chronicles 7:14. AND YOU say I run from your questions. Tell you what, YOU, cut & paste JUST ONE question you have asked me. & I will cut & paste my answer to you E.T. I think one of the problems IS, once again, YOU, E.T. have a READING UNDERSTANDING PROBLEM. However, I DO have this SAME problem, at times, BUT I admit it. I said I was having a reading understanding problem on the last Radio thread. I ain't PROUD. NOW DAMN IT, answer my question about the value or no value of what 2nd Chronicles 7:14 says. QUIT DODGING THIS QUESTION, THORN in my HEART. YES INDEED YOU ARE. You think just as long as you can do anything, THAT'S RIGHT ANYTHING to get me PISSED OFF enough to DO or SAY SOMETHING that will get me banned, THEN it's mission accomplished for you. You know what THORN, I think Alfred Adask has got your number anyway. ALL you DO THORN is say WHO EDOM IS & WHO ISRAEL IS. This IS the extent of ALL your EDUCATION. Answer my question, DO YOU HEAR ME, or are you also, DEAF ??

       
      • EDOMS THORN

        April 15, 2014 at 1:06 AM

        I do not “avoid” your question, nor do I “dodge’ your question. I am avoiding a conversation with you. I am dodging YOU!

         
    • J.M.

      April 15, 2014 at 2:13 AM

      EDOMS THORN

      @ > I do not “avoid” your question, nor do I “dodge’ your question. I am avoiding a conversation with you. I am dodging YOU!

      You ARE getting EDUCATED

       
      • Roger

        April 15, 2014 at 2:36 AM

        Is that what you call your chronic trolling? An education?

        You used to be a joke, JM, but now you’re not even funny.

        You’re merely a tedious waste of space on this blog.

        Or perhaps a turd in the punchbowl would be an more apt metaphor.

         
    • J.M.

      April 15, 2014 at 3:48 PM

      Edoms Thorn, Henry, Toland, Roger, et.al. E.T. You say;

      @ >It is your Character that is questionable!

      Questionable to WHO ?? WHO is my Character questionable TO ?!?!

       
    • J.M.

      April 17, 2014 at 9:36 AM

      EDOMS THORN

      @ > Thanks deb.

      From: Repudiate the National Debt Thread, Edoms Thorn, says in pertinent part

      EDOMS THORN SAYS,

      “I use Gods word to PROVE His word as we can clearly see (IF they have eyes to see) it made manifest in the world. WHY you did not see that I answered your question about CAIN already, I do not know why.
      @ >So if you can not discern my answer from that…. HERE IT IS.
      @> NO!
      @> NOT “NO” BUT “…HELL NO”….

      Thanks E.T. Below is my response to EDOMS THORN

      My answer to the Holy Bible saying, Adam knew his wife Eve, & she conceived & gave birth to Cain……………” IS IS IS,

      YES! NOT, just “YES”!!! BUT HELL “YES”!!!. I believe what it, The Holy Bible, says. You showed YOUR song, E.T. I HOPE I have SHOWN you MINE. QUIT YELLING AT ME, E.T. lol

      Yes Mr. Thorn, You do, or do you, as you say, use Gods word to PROVE His word as we can clearly see (IF they have eyes to see) it made manifest in the world.

      Now, does ANYONE have the EYES to SEE what we have here??? HELL NO, apparently.

       
      • EDOMS THORN

        April 17, 2014 at 10:57 AM

        As you have made US ALL aware, you are the “Village Idiot” That was NOT the question in QUESTION, the one following was, and is NOT limited to being the ONLY question you would NOT answer!

        ,,,”The topic of “Bible inerrancy” came up in MY world in the mid 1980′s. In my mind you have NOT acknowledged if you are, or were ever aware of the FACT that True Bible Scholars and Theologians debated the issue or not. Most came to the conclusion that ALL of the many Versions of the Bible had mistranslated/ADDED/OMITTED words in them BUT they ALL agreed that Gods Plan for Salvation was to be found in them ALL. YOU DID NOT ANSWER WHEN I ASKED IF YOU THOUGHT I MADE IT UP”… SO J.M. There are TWO questions there that you did NOT answer! There are more.

        I wish we lived close to each other, I sense a very lonely and confused soul, that needs a TRUE friend. I have no malice or hate for you. I am the kind of person that is a TRUE friend, until you willingly crap on me, or lie to me, or steal from me. I am able to forgive and forget. I do not like people that play games and are scoffers and ridicules to cover up their own ignorance.

         
      • deb

        April 17, 2014 at 11:05 AM

        @ I sense a very lonely and confused soul, that needs a TRUE friend. I have no malice or hate for you. I am the kind of person that is a TRUE friend, until…

        Thanks ET, i second that.

         
      • J.M.

        April 17, 2014 at 10:08 PM

        EDOMS THORN

        March 23, 2014 at 10:12 PM

        Is that the best you can do?

        In our supposed conversation on CAIN and the “serpent seed” or “Dual seed line”, you effectively hump up and crap on what I say, without researching, and then providing anything that supports your disagreement. FACTS don’t matter to you?
        ———————————————————————-

        J.M.

        March 23, 2014 at 3:27 PM

        EDOMS THORN

        @ >You must have just awakened from a nap. You do not remember or talk about “BORN AGAIN”?

        Some people ARE still asleep WHEN it APPEARS they are AWAKE

        Did you, E.T. by chance, see my answer, ABOVE ?? Whether you know it or not, E.T. Other people could taken what you said,> ( J.M.? BORN AGAIN??) < to mean I SAID I am BORN AGAIN. This NOT TRUE & I HAVE NEVER SAID THIS.

        I am waiting for you, E.T. to tell me what YES & NO MEANS.Do you need me to be more specific? You said you knew that words have meaning since you were in the third grade. I asked you, E.T. If you will answer a question for me by simply answering yes or no. It WAS NOT a trick question. I'll say it ONE more time, for about the FIFTH time. It is written, Adam knew his wife Eve & she conceived & gave birth to Cain & Eve said, I have gotten a man FROM the LORD. I ASKED you E.T. if YOU BELIEVED this or not. PLEASE answer YES or NO?? You, E.T. WILL NOT answer by saying YES or NO !!!! WHY???
        ———————————————————————–

         
  17. EarlatOregon

    April 14, 2014 at 5:27 PM

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  18. Yartap

    April 14, 2014 at 7:00 PM

    Hi Al and All.

    I wish to give a little correction about the Jubilee as written in Leviticus 25 & 27. The Jubilee has nothing to do with removing one’s debts, but it has everything to do with restoring one’s family inheritance of land given to each by God to each Israelite’s tribe and family. You should think of it as someone rents his land for 49 years or from a point in time to the Jubilee, and has lost the use of the land for a set period of time. And the redemption of land and family members only applied to Israelites. This way the land would remain as a perpetual inheritance/ownership in one’s family.

    Many misunderstand the Jubilee. The grant from God of land to each tribe and then to each family of the tribe was to make each’s land stay in the family PERPETUALLY! Therefore, a Jubilee in America cannot happen, because the states own the land. Thus, in a called Jubilee for America, the land would return to the perpetual holder or state. And the state could rent out the land again. So, in America, the land would return to the state. We cannot have a Jubilee, nor do we want one (unless we become the perpetual holders of the land from God).

    So, how did returning land to the perpetual holder (Jubilee) and forgiving lending debts get mixed up? Well for one, it has to do with the Jubilee’s requirement of leaving the land idle every seven years (called a Jubilee; 7times in every 49 years) and the forgiving debts (Moses’s Law) every seven years. Plus, in comparing, you’ll notice about how both deal with returning family members to their family (Jubilee) and forgiving bondmen’s and bondwomen’s debts by release from contractual servitude every seven years (Jubilee and Lending Laws). To understand the differences, one should study and compare Leviticus 25 & 27 (Jubilee) with Deut. 15 (lending laws).

    I hope this has helped clear up the misconceptions about the Jubilee.

    Yartap.

     
    • J.M.

      April 14, 2014 at 7:43 PM

      @ >To understand the differences, one should study………………….”

      wow, Yartap. You don’t ask too much of anyone.Study? Study what? What do you think of the Bible admonition written in, 2nd Chronicles 7:14? Should we study about this? After we study about it should we meditate on it? After we meditate on it, should we, maybe, do what it says?

      Jim, your friend until the end.

       
  19. J.M.

    April 15, 2014 at 2:01 PM

    Roger, HOWDY, You ask,

    @ > Is that what you call your chronic trolling? An education?

    Roger, Below is what E.T. says, & it is on the Standing Firm thread, something I don’t you saw or red because it IS not your cup of tea. Do you understand what I just said??

    EDOMS THORN
    March 24, 2014 at 9:34 PM, your message in pertinent part, you say, on this thread, Standing Firm

    WELL, that is in my honest EDUCATED opinion.
    —————————————————–

    Edoms Thorn SAYS; > WELL, that is in my honest EDUCATED opinion.

    IF Edoms Thorn says this, why are you upset with me for saying what he said & not upset with him, Edoms Thorn, for saying it ??

     
    • J.M.

      April 15, 2014 at 2:03 PM

      Roger, Below is what E.T. says, & it is on the Standing Firm thread, something I don’t BELIEVE you saw or red.

       
    • J.M.

      April 16, 2014 at 1:44 AM

      Ohh Roger, re:

      @ > Or perhaps a turd in the punchbowl would be an more apt metaphor.

      This food for your thoughts & posts, DEFINED as a turd in the punchbowl

       
  20. Donna Lee

    April 15, 2014 at 4:42 PM

    Out of respect for Alfred, whom I absolutely adore and respect, I suggest as adults that those that disagree, simply agree to disagree and let’s all get on with using our energy and our minds to enjoy, comprehend and utilize the wonderful information that Alfred has brought us and continues to bring us this very day. I personally want to thank Alfred from the bottom of my heart. Thank you Alfred!

     
    • moon

      April 15, 2014 at 7:56 PM

      Easy, Donna Lee. Roger was just offering what he considers “intelligent discussion” about his punch bowl. Apparently, Roger thinks this blog is Facebook, got a bit carried away, and gave us too much information about his punch bowl.

       
      • Roger

        April 15, 2014 at 8:39 PM

        moon,

        You misunderstand. The punchbowl in question isn’t mine. This is Alfred’s party.

        Also, I’m here to READ intelligent discussion, I make no claim to posting it.

        The ability to read intelligent discussion at this blog is greatly reduced by the pointless garbage posted by Les Fuchs, alias J.M., which is clogging up the comment sections and driving away the above-mentioned intelligent discussion.

        So try some other tactic to defend the chronic trolling of your buddy Les Fuchs, the turd in Alfred’s punchbowl.

         
      • moon

        April 15, 2014 at 9:58 PM

        Roger, are you the one who decides which posts contain “intelligent discussion” and which posts are not “intelligent discussion”? Since you’re only here to read, my suggestion to you is: shut the hell up and keep your turds to yourself.

         
      • Roger

        April 15, 2014 at 10:46 PM

        moon > Roger, are you the one who decides which posts contain “intelligent discussion” and which posts are not “intelligent discussion”? <

        Of course. Everyone looking to read, or participate in, "intelligent discussion" makes that decision. And people have been voting with their feet.

        A certain turd-dropper has already been banned from this blog multiple times: i.e. Les Fuchs, alias J.M. for now.

        It's no surprise that the number of troll turds dropped by Les Fuchs correlates with an obvious decline in "intelligent discussion" on this blog over the last year.

         
      • J.M.

        April 16, 2014 at 1:53 AM

        moon,

        I still can hardly grasp or believe this. The one I considered my brutal enemy is not my best friend. My “God” sure does work in mysterious ways. I AM SO GLAD YOU ARE BACK.

        @ > Easy, Donna Lee. Roger was just offering what he considers “intelligent discussion” about his punch bowl.

        It is the turd in his, Roger’s punchbowl that is supplying his food for his thoughts & actions, i.e., HIGH QUALITY messages

        moon, I am so happy you are back.

         
      • J.M.

        April 16, 2014 at 1:59 AM

        moon,

        @ > Roger, are you the one who decides which posts contain “intelligent discussion” and which posts are not “intelligent discussion”? Since you’re only here to read, my suggestion to you is: shut the hell up and keep your turds to yourself.

        HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW !!!

        He Haw He Haw He Haw He Haw He Haw He Haw Heeeeee Hawwwwww Heeeeeeee Hawwwww

         
      • J.M.

        April 16, 2014 at 2:02 AM

        moon,
        The one I considered my brutal enemy is NOW my best friend. KNOT KNOT I just noticed my mistake. Whewww .

         
      • J.M.

        April 16, 2014 at 10:45 PM

        moon,
        @ > Easy, Donna Lee. Roger was just offering what he considers “intelligent discussion” about his punch bowl. Apparently, Roger thinks this blog is Facebook, got a bit carried away, and gave us too much information about his punch bowl.

        This IS the way I see it too !!! And you are FUNNY too. I love to laugh. Where tho, is this mud slinging explanation by/from Yartap ? btw. Sometime back I was reading a comment from someone & he was talking about another commenter he considered a straight shooter, but he said he forgot the thread,or what was said etc., I responded to him, by saying, that would be me, or a rare bird like me. I have some vanity in me too. But, again, It’s a matter of degree.

         
      • J.M.

        April 16, 2014 at 11:59 PM

        Heavenly Father, I know you say not to pray in public, but I want to thank you publicly for allowing me to have so much JOY from some of the comments made on this hilarious thread. Heavenly Father you ARE my everything. Please give moon the strength & stamina to keep calling it straight
        Ain’t this thread something else? I KNOW you love to laugh too, but, please don’t slap the side of your leg too hard. Ohhh That’s right, this IS a church, so I’m not out of line. Praise BE to my heavenly Father. AND me elder Brother who is sitting on your right side. I am unable to handle all that is thrown at me, alone, so give moon an extra blessing for helping me out. With him I can enjoy what would otherwise be to much to bear, like the proverbial STRAW. Amen

         
      • J.M.

        April 17, 2014 at 1:34 AM

        moon,
        ONE of my PROBLEMS is, I try to read ALL comments. It’s useless to say why. I got in the habit of this. I will try to not read anymore of SOME Reprobates comments. BUT there will be NEW commenters coming aboard to trick me into responding to hisin or herns. I only wish I had the depth of perception to SEE from the FIRST comment what IS up. ALSO, IF I did not care I would be better off too. BUT, I really don’t want to quit caring. Then again, sometimes I do. It is what deb calls double minded. I would rather be double minded that WISE & WICKED MINDED. Satan KNOWS THE ENTIRE BIBLE like the back of his hand, & so do his agents. Sooo, quoting the scriptures really does not PROVE whose side we are on. Anyway, I’m going to try & sleep. I’m worn out. Thanks for helping me. I was just about to give up. BUT don’t stick up for me if you think I am wrong. My family turned against me one time because I would not stick up for my !/2 blood brother re: something he did wrong & it was a terrible thing he did. I did offer to appear for him as being him which was probable just as wrong. In other words, I was willing to take his punishment. Enormous pressure makes me do irrational things. I don’t recall how it turned out. This is one bad thing I cannot remember. I wish I could forget ALL the bad things that have happened. know what I mean ??.

         
      • J.M.

        April 17, 2014 at 9:21 PM

        moon,

        @ > Roger, are you the one who decides which posts contain “intelligent discussion” and which posts are not “intelligent discussion”? Since you’re only here to read, my suggestion to you is: shut the hell up and keep your turds to yourself.

        Thank you heavenly Father for providing moon for me. moon beams like a shining light, & uplifts me. wow, & moon says true things that make me laugh with joy.

         
  21. moon

    April 16, 2014 at 12:00 AM

    J.M., no need to pay any attention to the echo in here. Remember what Yartap said about mud slinging…it only sticks if you allow it to.

     
    • J.M.

      April 16, 2014 at 2:09 AM

      moon,

      @ > J.M., no need to pay any attention to the echo in here. Remember what Yartap said about mud slinging…it only sticks if you allow it to.

      Thanks. I fear it will stick to the wrong ONE. He cannot read every message. On the “Cowboy” thread he & Toland are actually posting messages that to me, are insulting Alfred. I guess people just “see” things different. All I ask for is for anyone to give me a chance to try & explain anything I say in case there is any misunderstanding. People apparently see things different, at least, “some” things.

       
      • moon

        April 16, 2014 at 2:22 AM

        J.M., if there’s any mud slung at Al, he controls whether it sticks or not. See how Yartap’s idea works so well?

        Relax, get some rest.

         
    • J.M.

      April 17, 2014 at 9:31 PM

      moon,

      @ > J.M., no need to pay any attention to the echo in here.

      moon, you may be banned for using echo in this manner. You are now talking to the one that Alfred says is the only one, or the first one to understand Alfred’s overall purpose, or technically, Alfred Adask says, > Roger is the first man to expressly understand the my purpose for hosting this blog.

      As Roger said, I publish this blog for the purpose of advancing IDEAS and INSIGHTS
      that may be roughly correct an hopefully valuable.

      Be careful moon. As for me, I honestly don’t care anymore.

       
      • Adask

        April 17, 2014 at 9:50 PM

        I did not say that Roger was the first to understand my purpose. I said that Roger is the first to express that understanding. For all I know, hundreds of people may have already understood, but Roger was the first, so far as I know, to express that understanding.

         
    • J.M.

      April 18, 2014 at 2:16 AM

      See what I mean moon, here is what was apparently “not seen” > “or technically, Alfred Adask says, > Roger is the first man to expressly understand the my purpose for hosting this blog.” My COMPLETE message was either not seen or not read, < pronounced, red.

       
  22. Toland

    April 16, 2014 at 2:27 AM

    Roger, take note. Calling out a chronic troll who’s back for more of the same after being banned MULTIPLE times is known as “mud slinging”. Whatever.

    Be advised: the Les Fuchs (alias J.M.) troll has recently acquired superpowers at this blog through a policy of passionate ass-kissing, where the previously iterations of Les Fuchs also trolled Alfred (hence the multiple bans, before the message finally took).

    So there’s not much to be gained by further exposures, in my opinion. Everyone gets it by now.

     
    • Roger

      April 16, 2014 at 3:07 AM

      Oh, I missed those previous iterations, when J.M. was bannable.

      Looking through the archives, I notice the comment sections of this blog were quite interesting before they became the personal playpen of Boy Wonder.

      Now they’re bordering on the pointless (with occasional exceptions who don’t stay long), though the main articles are still worth reading.

      Very well then.

       
      • J.M.

        April 16, 2014 at 9:33 PM

        ENHANCE is DEFINED as
        Intensify, increase, or further improve the quality, value, or extent of.
        ” My performance with my #12 BROGAN does nothing to enhance my reputation but it cannot be any lower anyway”
        synonyms: increase, add to, intensify, heighten, magnify, amplify, inflate, strengthen, build up, supplement, augment, boost, raise, lift, elevate, exalt;

        Want some More DEFINITIONS ???

         
      • J.M.

        April 16, 2014 at 10:32 PM

        Roger

        @ > though the main articles are still worth reading.

        If you mean, by many articles, meaning the essays of Alfred Adask, POST the thread where you made a comment about the “worth reading” articles. Are they worth commenting about?

        Very well then.

         
      • J.M.

        April 17, 2014 at 12:05 AM

        @ > Looking through the archives, I notice the comment sections of this blog were quite interesting before they became the personal playpen of Boy Wonder.

        Hey Roger you & Henry, & Toland, would not by any remote chance know of a Martens/Jetlag or EDOMS THORN or a deb or a Christian Gains would you ?? just curious, that’s all.

         
      • J.M.

        April 18, 2014 at 2:06 AM

        Roger, you keep saying,

        @ > A certain turd-dropper has already been banned from this blog multiple times: i.e. Les Fuchs, alias J.M. for now.

        What does this have to do with me??? WHY do you want me banned??? THIS is what I want to know. WHY WHY WHY DO YOU & SEVERAL OTHER HIGH QUALITY UNIQUE PEOPLE WANT ME BANNED ??? Why don’t YOU START your OWN “YELLOW-SHEET” journalist blog for Henry, Toland, Roger, Sam Kadaski,Tony, Christian Gains, Edoms Thorn, deb, Amy & OTHERS ???

         
      • J.M.

        April 18, 2014 at 5:30 AM

        Roger, the dodger
        @ > Oh, I missed those previous iterations, when J.M. was bannable.

        Did you miss the previous iterations or the previous definitions???

         
      • J.M.

        April 18, 2014 at 6:14 AM

        Roger,

        April 15, 2014 at 8:39 PM

        moon,

        @ > You misunderstand. The punchbowl in question isn’t mine. This is Alfred’s party.

        @ > This is Alfred’s party

        Believe you are right again Roger. Yes indeed. You must know because, once again,Alfred did say, & this is a cut & paste, > Roger is the first man to expressly understand the my purpose for hosting this blog..

         
    • J.M.

      April 16, 2014 at 2:26 PM

      @ > Everyone gets it by now.

      EVERYONE of your KIND gets it. As far as ass kissing goes I kissed YOURS too when I tried HARD to help you & your “FRIEND” like a FOOL. Also, I kissed the you know whats of Donna Lee on another thread, palani, several times, moon, Christian Gains, deb, Amy, Edoms Thorn, ALL OF the commenters. REMEMBER, REPROBATE, I KISSED YOURS TOO. NOW I want tp SHOVE my # 12 BROGAN UP IT, SIDEWAYS, then modulate it, which IS DEFINED as ENHANCE. get the picture

       
      • deb

        April 16, 2014 at 3:40 PM

        I’m so sorry for your built up anger, but here is something to help you with that. I hope it cheers you.

         
  23. Donna Lee

    April 16, 2014 at 2:39 AM

    It was a pleasure meeting many of you. I unfortunately have to end email notifications for new postings for this thread. Hugs to all, especially to Alfred.

     
    • J.M.

      April 16, 2014 at 2:41 PM

      Donna Lee,

      Hugs for you too dear heart. WHEN these high quality commenters are gone, IF EVER, please come back. Try to remember this. IF anyone of these high quality posters had said ANYTHING negative about your comments. I would have tore them a “new one” too. I have the memory of ALL of them spitting in the face of “God” The ONE & ONLY Creator & Life giver, & the ONE that keeps the UNIVERSE in ORDER, & this WHY they want me off this blog. My comments to the HIGH QUALITY posters are made in MEMORY of what they have done & in MEMORY of who they DO IT TO. Go back to the Boris Radio thread & you will see my comments to EVERYBODY. IF my memory is correct, the first comment on that thread is from me. SEE what I said about Boris. See the rest of my comments TOO. Hurry back, Donna Lee.

       
    • J.M.

      April 18, 2014 at 6:07 AM

      Donna Lee,

      @ > Hugs to all
      ooops missed that. I will presume you did not mean swine as most ALL of the others say I am. No way should you be huggin swine.

       
  24. J.M.

    April 16, 2014 at 9:21 PM

    deb.
    POST a VIDEO on the Holy Convocations you KNOW so much about. Don’t have ANYTHING about those do you ? No, I already know you don’t. Do me a BIG favor & find a video on the internet that EXPLAINS the purpose & meaning of the Passover & ALL of the Feast days. People KNOW today what FEAST means. I don’t know how to bring up a video re: the Holy Convocations of YHWH & the Passover. You are now posting a video & UNDER the present circumstances, you are ONLY TRYING to stick in your two edged sword & twist it.

     
  25. Toland

    April 16, 2014 at 11:11 PM

    Roger,

    Getting an accurate read on other people’s motives is a tricky business under the best conditions.

    Yet, the many-times-banned numbnuts Les Fuchs (alias J.M.) – after admitting to being “stupid” and a “fool” – will sit in judgment of others’ motives, based on evidence no one else can see, and expect to be taken seriously.

    LOL @ the delusional twit.

     
    • Roger

      April 16, 2014 at 11:46 PM

      Yeah, though I try not to laugh at those with disabilities. Even when they’re yapping pompous nonsense about who knows WTF, I think an attitude of compassion is appropriate (as difficult as this can be sometimes).

      For example, though they’re a constant nuisance to passersby, I do occasionally slip a bit of cash to the mentally-challenged panhandlers who live on the street through no fault of their own.

       
      • J.M.

        April 17, 2014 at 12:31 AM

        Roger,

        @ > Yeah, though I try not to laugh at those with disabilities. Even when they’re yapping pompous nonsense………

        I try hard not to laugh too but I can’t help myself & I cannot keep from laughing hard. I know EXACTLY what you mean. ONCE AGAIN Tell me of ONE essay of Alfred that you commented on. By this, I mean cut & paste a couple of things he said & then show your comment right under it. YOU did say his articles were “interesting reads.” OR, direct me to ANY thread to see your comments about his “interesting reads.”

         
      • J.M.

        April 18, 2014 at 5:56 AM

        Rahjah

        @ > Of course. Everyone looking to read, or participate in, “intelligent discussion” makes that decision. And people have been voting with their feet.

        Rahjah, is EDOMS THORN your mentor? He EDUCATED too, just like you is. ONCE MO, Why don’t YOU START your OWN “YELLOW-SHEET” journalist blog for Henry, Toland, Roger, Sam Kadaski,Tony, Christian Gains, Edoms Thorn, deb, Amy Bobby G, & OTHERS ???

        Call it, Striving for Perfection. Have ONE requirement. Anyone who appears on this blog must affirm that HE or SHE does not know too much about at least one thing. This way, you will have your group & your KIND only to SHARE your high quality unique thoughts. Make your logo a SWINEHERD picture.

         
      • J.M.

        April 18, 2014 at 6:23 AM

        Roger, Toland, all of your kind,

        @ > Yeah, though I try not to laugh at those with disabilities.

        C’moan guys & girls, e,g., deb, Is it ME, or My messages, or BOTH that you HATE ???

         
      • J.M.

        April 18, 2014 at 6:38 AM

        Roger, & ILK,
        @ > “…you don’t have his PRIVATE Defender on your side.”

        Maybe not, but I do have the Elohim, & maybe moon too, if he has not been banned. Shoot, moon could handle ALL of your kind without ANY help from the Elohim. He, moon, got the equipment to do it with too. I admit, I don’t. BUT, moon do. Him & me both can wipe you & yo kind off D map BIG BOY. IF we was loud 2.

         
      • J.M.

        April 18, 2014 at 6:45 AM

        Roger,

        I did not want to ask you this question on the Cowboy or, at this time, the last Holy Bible thread, so I’ll ask it here. What is a human chameleon? Is it me, or my posts, or BOTH YOU & your ILK hate so much?

         
      • J.M.

        April 18, 2014 at 6:51 AM

        Roger,
        @ > I see you’ve added “speaking for God” to your catalog of vain presumptions at this blog.

        EXACTLY RIGHT, at least most of the time. He was a Carpenter, worked with the ROUGH & ROWDY kind. Built like a BRICK outhouse too, A STRONG MAN. Worked on ROOFS TOO. Chased out the money changers all by himself.

         
    • J.M.

      April 17, 2014 at 12:20 AM

      Toland
      @ > Getting an accurate read on other people’s motives is a tricky business under the best conditions.

      B.S. Not on yours. After I tried like a FOOL to help you & your “friend.” After you milked me DRY & then said due to the time limit involved your friend plea bargained or compromised & kowtowed to the prosecuting Attorney. Do you STILL consider Alfred’s Knowledge an interesting theory? You know what. EVEN if you tried HIS THEORY, which it ain’t, but even IF you used it verbatim, YOU WILL LOSE because you don’t have his PRIVATE Defender on your side.

       
      • Roger

        April 17, 2014 at 1:15 AM

        “…you don’t have his PRIVATE Defender on your side.”

        I see you’ve added “speaking for God” to your catalog of vain presumptions at this blog.

        Way to go, Les.

         
    • J.M.

      April 18, 2014 at 6:02 AM

      Toland, aka TOEJAM,

      @ > LOL @ the delusional twit

      I rather have or be a twit than have a TWAT. Thanks a lot twatter.

       
  26. J.M.

    April 17, 2014 at 6:40 AM

    deb.
    @ > I’m so sorry

    I know. I understand. I’m sorry to say I do not feel ANY sorrow for you. Do you think I might be thrown into the lake of fire & brimstone & burn for eternity if I do not repent of this. You have already said yes yes yes but I wonder if may have changed your mind ?

     
    • deb

      April 17, 2014 at 10:47 AM

      J.M.

      Don, it is very very sad that you call yourself a follower/believer in Yahweh and Yahshua and behave in such odious manner at you age. You’re causing others to sin, in saying things that they wouldn’t otherwise by cajoling them into your web of vexatious threads. Why, who are you really angry with? What a grave insult it is to the Saviour who is being remembered this week for the great sacrifice He made and what He suffered– for you…yes for you Don. And this is how you witness for the King of glory? Shame on you Don. Repent. 1John 1:9

      This is what the [S[WORD of YAHWEH says–whom you call a liar:

      Galatians 5
      Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, ENMITIES, STRIFE, jealousy, OUTBURSTS OF ANGER, DISPUTES, DISSENSIONS, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, THAT THOSE WHO PRACTICE SUCH THINGS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.…

      Revelation 21:8
      But for the cowardly and UNBELIEVING and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, THEIR PART WILL BE IN THE LAKE THAT BURNS WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH.”

      Matthew 25:41
      “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the ETERNAL FIRE which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

      Mark 9:43-48
      43 And IF THY HAND OFFEND THEE, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into THE FIRE THAT NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED:
      44 WHERE THEIR WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.
      45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
      46 WHERE THEIR WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.
      47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
      48 WHERE THEIR WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

      But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Matthew 6:15 Repent.

      Please don’t respond. This blog is not about you.

       
      • J.M.

        April 17, 2014 at 10:58 PM

        Dejure

        March 28, 2014 at 2:36 PM

        Isn’t if funny how so many claiming theirs is a just and loving god/God then go on to talk about one who would inflict eternal torture for what is best called a minor offense?

        A bit of investigation into “hell” shows it to be from Sheol, the common grave. Think upon it – it is said Jesus was the [second, since the first blew it] perfect man, but was killed and sent to the hell promoted by many religions. If you go back to the origin of hell, then it makes more sense when it is said Jesus was in hell three days.

        In that vein, there is also the matter of the “eternal lake of fire.” Look into Ghenna. There was a “lake of fire” outside the city where refuse was thrown. That included those not seen as worthy of respect and the usual burial.

         
      • J.M.

        April 18, 2014 at 5:24 AM

        Steve Maraboli
        “Let today be the day you stop being haunted by the ghost of yesterday. Holding a grudge & harboring anger/resentment is poison to the soul. Get even with people…but not those who have hurt us, forget them, instead get even with those who have helped us.”

         
      • J.M.

        April 18, 2014 at 6:30 AM

        DEBORAH, THE BETRAYER,

        Verily I say unto you miss Jezebelle, you have your reward. I kiddeth thou NOT. Unless YOU repent. Why did you decide to say you are “little red riding hood” with a double edged sword & you know how to use it?” Do you have on your hood ? Do you think YHWH wants little red riding hoods for companions?

         
  27. Roger

    April 18, 2014 at 8:51 AM

    J.M.

    I seriously doubt that anyone at this blog “hates” you. You don’t merit anyone’s hate.

    What may anger some people is your contempt for Alfred’s purpose as to how discussion at this blog should be conducted.

    He said, regarding his blog: “It’s about ideas without regard to source–only their content.”

    Also: “I have to admit that it bugs me to see the comments that degenerate into personality conflicts. Those personality conflicts are not about ideas. The people who delight in personality conflicts are missing the boat. They focus on people rather than ideas.

    Yet, despite such expressions of the intended use of this blog, your purpose here seems exactly the opposite. You persistently emphasize the source of ideas over their content. You focus on people rather than ideas.

    This is why anger sometimes gets the better of readers and causes hostility toward what you’re doing to Alfred’s valuable blog.

     
    • J.M.

      April 18, 2014 at 1:23 PM

      @ > You don’t merit anyone’s hate.

      Is this what is DEFINED as personality clash talk?

      @ You focus on people rather than ideas.

      It’s better than focusing on swine, doancha think?

      If I am a swine animal, what kind of animal are you? what is a human chameleon? Let’s focus on that. Remember MOOA? You say you are an animal, you admit it. No need in admitting it no mo. I ain’t that dense. Roger, now I am serious.If you keep on goading me, something BAD is going to happen. I’m SERIOUS Roger. I warned E.T. just like I’m warning you. Ask E.T. what happened. Also, it seems that you are lowering the value of this blog. You called it, awesome, high quality content, & now you call it valuable. Are you now downgrading this blog? Why??

       
    • moon

      April 18, 2014 at 1:36 PM

      Roger, very well said.

      J.M., please consider what Roger has said in this comment very carefully. Rather than hating you, some of us are actually cheering for you toward discussing content of ideas. I’ll even go out on a limb here (I’m gutsy sometimes) and make a guess that Roger is one of us who is cheering for you in that direction.

      I’m going to give Roger a thumbs up on his comment. J.M., good buddy, I hope you’ll choose to do the same. No need to exist in the echos when exploration of ideas is much more fun.

      Rock On!

       

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