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“Unbelievable Trust”

18 Nov

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Former congressman Ron Paul recently posted an interesting article on GoldSilverWords entitled, “Watch Out When People Start to Distrust our Money”.  Paul offered several important insights, but, his central argument was that because the fiat dollar has no intrinsic value, whatever value it appears to have is based entirely on the people’s trust.  So long as people continue to trust in the dollar, it will have value.  If people lose that trust, the dollar’s value will diminish or even disappear.

According to Mr. Paul:

 

“Now we have that strange phenomenon of this unbelievable trust in the US Dollar. This could only happen because our country is (still) wealthy, but a lot of the wealth is superficial because it’s based on debt. So, the people are going to be really shocked when the hit finally comes because this system has existed for so long and longer than any paper currency before it.”

Mr. Paul’s reference to “unbelievable trust” in the US dollar implies that the world’s trust—though strong—is irrational.

Yes, the US appears to be wealthy—but that can’t be true since we’re the biggest debtor nation in the world.

More, how can an economy that treats debt (promises to pay) as a fundamental asset be regarded as anything other than irrational?

Yes, the current system of US fiat dollars has lasted longer than virtually any other previous fiat currency system.  Some view that longevity as evidence that the fiat dollar is invincible.  Other see it as evidence that the dollar’s end must be near.

 

 “Right now there’s a lot of trust by foreign takers of our dollars, they keep taking them. And as long as they do that, we’re going to limp along and the bubble keeps getting bigger and bigger. . . . and the inevitable bust gets worse.

“Right now, they have no other place to go. They could go and beg Europe to print Euros, but they trust the dollar more. As long as they keep doing that, these insane policies will continue.”

 

Paul is right.  No matter how irrational and groundless the world’s trust in the current fiat dollar may be, the fact remains that the world does trust the fiat dollar more than any other currency.  Therefore, the intrinsically-worthless, fiat dollar not only has value but remains politically powerful—and the price of intrinsically-valuable gold remains vulnerable.

How much longer will the world continue to trust the dollar?

 

•  Mr. Paul’s observations about the central relationship between trust and fiat currencies raise interesting implications.

For example, only a nation with a very strong economy, a very cohesive people, and a demonstrated capacity to be productive is likely to be trusted enough by both foreign countries and domestic citizens to have a fiat currency.

In the aftermath of WWII (when all other western nations were damaged or destroyed) what currency could the world trust other than the gold-backed dollar?  Later, when the dollar became pure fiat, the reality remained that no other currency was as trusted as the fiat dollar.

But if a nation’s government is corrupt, economy falters and people are divided by unenforced immigration laws, people will increasingly distrust that nation’s ability to repay its debts with goods and services it may one day produce.  Therefore, people will tend to demand real payments in gold and silver coin rather than fiat currency (IOUs).

Only a truly strong nation is likely to be able to create, impose and maintain a fiat currency.  Weak nations can’t.

Insofar as this argument is valid, we could look back on American history and argue that our various attempts to impose a fiat currency reflected our growing national strength.  Our fiat currency failures reflected our national weakness.

America’s one great success at issuing fiat currency (since A.D. 1971) has been based not only on American economic and military power, but also on the relative weakness and chaos seen in the rest of the world.  So long as the world was relatively weak and we were relatively strong, our fiat dollars were trusted and relied on around the globe.

However, the great advantages to successfully issuing a fiat currency also require great obligations to respect and maintain that fiat currency.  Inevitably, the hustlers, con-artists and self-promoters gain control of the fiat currency production system and start to cut deals and impose laws that are self-serving and irrational.  These abuses tend to strengthen the government and/or special interests and thereby weaken the nation.  The middle class starts to disappear.  As the nation is increasingly weakened by too much debt and too few jobs, trust in the nation’s fiat currency begins to wane.  When that trust is finally (or primarily) exhausted, the fiat currency fails.

 

•  Given that the fiat dollar’s purchasing power has fallen about 97% in the just the past forty years, it’s obvious that trust in the dollar has also fallen—but not proportionally. In fact, as Mr. Paul indicated in his reference to people’s continuing “unbelievable trust” in the fiat dollar, once trust in a fiat currency is established, it’s difficult to dislodge.

For example, we’ve all seen images of people in A.D. 1921 Weimar Germany pushing wheelbarrows full of fiat currency to the grocery store to purchase a loaf of bread.

Q:  Why didn’t the German people simply say “this is stupid” and stop taking or spending fiat currency?

A:  Because they’d been conditioned to trust that currency and believe in that currency as if it were a religious faith.  They were no more willing to give up their trust in fiat currency than Catholics are willing to give up their faith to become Protestants.

Look at Zimbabwe.  Between A.D. 2008-2009, that country suffered an almost comical hyperinflation.  Hyperinflation peaked at nearly 80 billion percent in November A.D. 2008.  If you accepted a Zimbabwean fiat dollar at 12:00 noon, it was probably worth no more than a dime by 12:01.  And yet, the Zimbabwean people continued to trade in their hyper-inflated currency for most of another year.

Why?  Because: 1) they’d come to trust that fiat currency; and 2) they had no other domestic currency to trust.

Zimbabwe has failed to create another domestic fiat currency.  The Zimbabwean people no longer trust their government to produce another Zimbabwean fiat currency.

Solution?  They use fiat US dollars—which are every bit as intrinsically-worthless as Zimbabwean fiat dollars.  But, unlike the Zimbabwean fiat dollars, the US fiat dollar is still “unbelievably trusted”.

No matter how irrational that trust may be, so long as that trust remains, the fiat dollar will be a viable currency—in Zimbabwe and even in the US.

But, who long will that trust to remain?

 

The Love of Money

I’d bet that our trust in any fiat currency can continue almost indefinitely—unless there’s a default by the government or central bank that issues that fiat currency.

So long as the gov-co can continue to “spin” fiat currency “out of thin air” (or even out of a vacuum), and people maintain the illusion that they’re being paid when they receive fiat currency, they’ll merrily pay and receive the fiat currency.  They might grumble that the wheelbarrows they need to haul their hyper-inflated currency to market are too small, but they’ll still trust their fiat currency.

Look at the United States.  Our government has been technically bankrupt since at least A.D. 1971 when we stopped redeeming fiat dollars held by foreigners with gold.  We haven’t actually “paid” any of our bills with gold or silver for over forty years.  Instead, we’ve merely “discharged” our debts with worthless pieces of fiat currency.

Does anyone much care?

Nope.

Does anyone even understand?

Not many.

So long as the Federal Reserve can still spin trillions of fiat dollars into existence and the federal government can discharge its debts with intrinsically-worthless fiat dollars, the game goes on.  Why?  Because the people of the US and of the world continue to trust in fiat dollars more than they do in other currencies.

This “unbelievable trust” may be evidence of a Biblical warning:  the love of money is the root of all evil.  I.e., it’s not the money that causes evil.  It’s the love of money that’s the “root” (or cause) of all evil.

When people cling to an intrinsically-worthless, fiat currency, is that devotion evidence of an “unbelievable trust”?  Or an “unbelievable love”?

Even if our “affair” with fiat currency isn’t motivated by love and is only motivated by trust, we’re still caught in a relationship with a paper whore who’ll always deceive us, rob us, and lead us to personal, national or even global ruin.

And yet, we have “unbelievable trust” in that paper whore.

If you want to know when the dollar is going to die, figure out when the government will finally be forced to admit that it can’t repay much or even all of its debts.  At the moment the government openly and expressly defaults . . . at the moment the President is forced to finally say “Th-th-that’s all, folks!,” the public will lose its last vestige of trust in the fiat dollar and the fiat dollar will die or at least suffer a massive devaluation.

 

Default

Where might we expect a default?

•  Under the Bretton Wood’s Agreement of A.D. 1944, the US gov-co promised to redeem all foreign-held paper dollars with gold. The nations of the world, bound up in WWII, trusted the US promise to redeem paper dollars with gold.

However, in A.D. 1971, President Nixon broke that promise when he closed the “gold window” and stopped redeeming foreign-held, paper dollars with gold (and thereby reduced the dollar to a pure fiat currency).

That was a default.

The dollar suffered a severe devaluation, but the people of the US and world continued to trust in the (now fiat) dollar and the US and world economies continued to function.

 

•  In the 1950s and 1960s, Germany (fearful of being invaded by the Soviet Union) deposited about 600 hundred tons of gold with the US gov-co. The gov-co promised to return Germany’s gold on demand.  Germany trusted the US gov-co’s promises to safely store its gold and return that gold when asked.

In A.D. 2012, Germany demanded 300 tons of its gold be returned by the US gov-co.  The US (which claims to hold nearly 8,200 tons of its own gold) refused to honor its promise to return the 300 tons of gold when Germany asked for them.

That’s a default.

But, again, the people of the US and world didn’t notice and therefore maintained their trust in the fiat dollar.  Based on that trust, the fiat dollar lives and US and world economies continued to function.

My point is that it the public will not lose trust in the fiat dollar until there is a general default that is of sufficient magnitude to affect almost everyone.  Serious, governmental defaults whose impacts are confined to one or more foreign countries or only limited segments of the US population may be troubling, but they will probably not be sufficient to individually cause a sudden and nearly complete loss of trust in fiat dollars.

This implies that the dollar will not die without a “general default” that affects virtually all Americans.

 

Minor Defaults

Inflation is a default. Inflation allows borrowers to “pay off” their debts with “cheaper” dollars.  When borrowers can pay off their debts with “cheaper” dollars, they aren’t actually “paying” their debts in full.  Thus, inflation is a kind of slow, moderate default.

Since the dollar became a pure fiat currency in A.D. 1971, the dollar has lost about 97% of its purchasing power.  Because the dollar slowly lost only about 2% of its purchasing power per year, the people didn’t notice or mind this default.  Instead, they continued to trust in fiat dollars and the US and global economies continued to function.

The point to these examples of previous and ongoing US fiat-currency defaults is that a mere technical default is not enough to collapse a currency so long as the people of the world, and especially those of the nation, continue to trust that currency.

We don’t care in the least if our government robs foreigners who hold fiat dollars.  We don’t care if our government robs Germany of several hundred tons of gold.  We don’t even mind if our government robs us by means of inflation, so long as the rate of inflation is fairly modest (say, 20% or less per year).  Even when faced with general default by inflation, our trust in fiat dollars remains fairly solid.

But Americans, presumably, would care if government robbed us of a lot of our wealth in a very short period of time.

For example, if the US and/or state governments refused, or were unable, to pay most or all of the ten million government pensions due to former or current government employees, that default might be sufficient to diminish our trust in fiat dollars—but the dollar would still function.

If the gov-co defaulted on most or all of the So-So Security funds currently due to the 58 million So-So Security retirees, dependents and survivors, that default might diminish our trust in fiat dollars—but enough trust would probably remain for the dollar and our economy to continue to function.

If the US gov-co refused, or was unable, to pay most or all of the funds currently received by 65 million welfare recipients, that default would diminish our trust in fiat dollars—but the dollar and our economy would continue to function.

And then there are millions of government subsidies for corporations and salaries to be paid to government employees.  So long as government defaults on just one “class” of its debts at a time, we shall probably maintain sufficient trust in the fiat dollar for it and our economy to survive.  Yes, we might be limping along in a recession or depression, but the dollar and the economy would continue to survive—unless, there was a general default of sufficient magnitude that impacted virtually everyone, that our trust in fiat dollars virtually collapsed.

 

General Defaults

In the end, there are two kinds of general default:  1) “hyperinflation”; and 2) express, overt refusal to pay debts.

“Inflation” describes an economic state wherein the currency is moderately devalued but trust in the currency generally remains.  For example if all of America was experiencing an inflation rate of, say, 20%, we’d be bewildered and angry, but we’d still maintain our trust in the fiat dollar.  That trust might be diminished, but it would still be sufficient for the dollar and the economy to survive.

The fiat dollar can survive inflation for a long time.  It can’t survive hyperinflation for long.

“Hyperinflation” doesn’t simply signify a higher rate (say, 50%) of inflation.  “Hyperinflation” describes an economic state wherein: 1) a fiat currency is significantly devalued; 2) that devaluation seems certain to continue or even accelerate; and 3) the people therefore lose trust in that currency.

“Hyperinflation” is primarily about a loss of trust in a fiat currency.

For example, during a period of inflation, you might know that your $1,000 paycheck will only worth $900 a year later—but that’s not much cause for concern.  If you’re living hand-to-mouth like most Americans, you’ll spend your $1,000 within a week or two and the loss of purchasing power caused by 10% annual inflation will be trivial.

However, if you receive your paycheck for $1,000 on Friday, and you know that its purchasing power will be reduced to $500 within a month (loss of $15 to $20/day), you’ll spend that $1,000 almost as fast as you can cash your check.  Why?  Because you no longer trust the currency to retain its purchasing power.

If the rate of hyperinflation is even faster, the people’s loss of trust in the fiat dollar will also accelerate.  That trust won’t be completely lost overnight.  It’ll probably take a year or more of hyperinflation to destroy virtually all trust in a fiat currency.

But any hyperinflation will cause not only a default (paying debts with “cheaper” dollars), it will kill trust in the currency.

 

•  The second form of default is an express admission by a national government that its debts can’t be paid. The effects of that admission might be minimized with claims that the debt will be paid later, or the issuance of “vouchers” or some such.  But as it becomes apparent that the debt will never be paid in full, trust in the national currency will wane, that currency will quickly become less and less valuable, until it ceases to function.

The official US national debt is nearly $18 trillion.  John Williams (shadowstats.com) believes it’s closer to $90 trillion. The Congressional Budget Office has calculated that, including unfunded liabilities, the national debt is over $200 trillion.

We might be able to repay $18 trillion (about $55,000 for every man, woman and child).

We won’t be able to repay $90 trillion ($280,000 per capita).

We will surely never be able to repay over $200 trillion ($630,000 per capita).

That means there’s going to be a general default on the national debt.  When that happens, trust in the fiat dollar will evaporate, the fiat dollar will die and we will be left to look for a new-and-improved currency that everyone will trust.

In the midst of a loss off trust in the fiat dollar, what might the people trust?  A new fiat dollar colored pink rather than green?  A new digital currency on a universal debit card?

I don’t think so.

Once the fiat dollar dies, the only alternative “currency” that people are likely to trust will be gold and silver.  The demand for gold and silver should rise dramatically, and so should the price.

We might stumble into an era of hyperinflation.  If we do, that’ll kill the fiat dollar.

If we don’t see hyperinflation, the national debt is too big to ever be repaid.  Sooner or later, there must be a default on the national debt.  When that inevitable default takes place, trust in the dollar will wither, the dollar will die, and the demand for gold will be huge.

The ultimate reason for owning gold is to insure your wealth against an inevitable loss of trust in the fiat dollar.

 
47 Comments

Posted by on November 18, 2014 in Uncategorized

 

47 responses to ““Unbelievable Trust”

  1. Roger

    November 19, 2014 at 12:09 AM

    Al, notice that Germany deposited its gold at the Federal Reserve, not, as your article states, with the US government.

    That’s why Germany sent its reps to New York City, rather than Washington DC or other federal enclave, to withdraw the gold.

    Other commenters here have pointed out that the French central bank has a similar amount of Germany’s gold (about 600 tons) which it also refuses to let Germany withdraw or even audit. What do you think of this coincidence?

    Al said, “That means there’s going to be a general default on the national debt.”

    Why a general default, rather than the specific default known as “debt restructuring” which usually occurs in situations like this?

     
    • Henry

      November 19, 2014 at 2:16 AM

      That’s correct, Roger. Germany deposited their 600 tons of gold at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The U.S. government was not a party to the transaction.

      So it’s the global banking cartel’s Federal Reserve, not the U.S. government, who violated a trust in regards to Germany’s gold.

      Thanks for taking the time to mention this for everyone’s benefit. The identity of those who stole 600 tons of Germany’s gold and got away with it (largely thanks to our “trusted” media running interference for the bad guys) is clearly something we all should get straight.

       
    • Adask

      November 19, 2014 at 3:21 AM

      When I refer to a “general default,” Ii’m talking about a default that impacts virtually everyone within the nation as would be true with hyperinflation, and as strikes me as probably true if the national debt were defaulted.

      If you’re talk about “debt restructuring” in relation to the national debt, I presume you mean that some substantial percentage of the national debt would be cancelled. If so, and if you’re talking about 10% of the national debt being “restructured” (cancelled), I’d be surprised in that percentage would be high enough to qualify as a “general default”. On the other hand, if the percentage of the national debt that was restructured/cancelled was, say, 70%–that strikes me as enough to possibly qualify as a “general default”.

      I’m not using the words in this article with enormous precision. I’m trying to be as precise as I can in expressing a concept that’s fairly new to me. I’m exploring what I regard as a possible general principle and, in doing so, I wind up writing in “generalities” moreso than precise, factual statements.

       
    • Adask

      November 19, 2014 at 3:25 AM

      You may be right. However, it’s possible that Germany gave its gold to the US government, but the US government then made arrangements to store Germany’d gold in Federal Reserve vaults.

       
      • Roger

        November 19, 2014 at 4:44 AM

        I haven’t seen it reported anywhere that Germany “gave” its gold to the US government. I would be very surprised if Germany gave 600 tons of gold to anybody.

        Nor have I found evidence that Germany even loaned its gold to the US government. Such a transaction would be part of the public record, but there’s no sign of it happening.

        On the other hand, the Federal Reserve routinely stores gold for foreign countries (whereas the US government does not). This is probably why all the sources I can find say the 600 tons of gold was transferred from Germany directly to the Federal Reserve for storage purposes – no mention of it passing through US government hands.

        That’s my understanding, in any case, and I could be wrong. What source is reporting the US government had possession of the gold on its way from Germany to the storage vaults of the Federal Reserve?

         
      • Jethro

        November 19, 2014 at 5:25 PM

        Anyone know if the Federal Reserve can deem any gold it stores from a foreign country as some sort of asset that enables it to print more FRN’s?

         
      • Toland

        November 19, 2014 at 6:44 PM

        @Roger > “What source is reporting the US government had possession of the gold on its way from Germany to the storage vaults of the Federal Reserve?”

        No source is reporting this. Why are you interrupting Al’s learned pursuits with such a frivolous question? Assuming you’re not merely trolling, here’s the score:

        Germany deposited its 600 tons of gold directly with the Federal Reserve. The government of the United States was not involved.

        Here are the two parties to the 600-ton gold transaction:

        1. Germany

        2. The Federal Reserve

        Do you see “US government” on this list? No, you don’t.

        The deposit of 600 tons of Germany’s gold at the Federal Reserve involved only Germany and the Federal Reserve.

        No source is reporting US government involvement, for the simple reason that the US government was not involved.

        And we both know that your favorite bozo making sh-t up and posting it as fact on his pissant website does not count as “reporting by a source”, correct? So due diligence requires the use of basic judgement in one’s choice of sources.

        Carry on.

        @Jethro > “Anyone know if the Federal Reserve can deem any gold it stores from a foreign country as some sort of asset that enables it to print more FRN’s?”

        Back in the day, during the so-called “gold standard” when there was a pretense of a connection between the dollar and gold, there was a vague relationship between the Fed’s printing and gold stores (though, even then, most of the money supply was “out of thin air” credit issued by commercial banks under fraction reserve banking).

        Yet the dollar was, at least in principle, an actual claim on gold. So what backed the dollar couldn’t merely be someone else’s gold held in storage. Therefore I’m going to answer your question in the negative.

        Nowadays, of course, with our purely fiat dollar, there isn’t even a pretense of a connection between the dollar and gold.

         
  2. Robert Snyder

    November 19, 2014 at 12:26 AM

    Al, he’s right on that but the “House of Cards” is about to fall.

     
  3. henry

    November 19, 2014 at 9:15 AM

    The Declaration of Independence changed the peoples conception of themselves from colonists to Americans. If each man has been endowed by his creator with unalienable rights and that governments are instituted to secure these rights then the concept of the divine right of kings is invalid. The top banking families see themselves as the defacto rulers of the planet. They will depend on the divine right of kinks to maintain that status. One thing that can challenge their status is the American ideal. Therefore, the American concept of independence must be destroyed. So the rulers poison your food and water to make you weak and dull. They poison your mind with “public education”, distractions, false choices. They label anyone who can think as mentally defective (racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, conspiracy theorists). They steal your history. They bankrupted the treasury. When they drop the hammer, they will blame you, people who hold the American ideal, for why so many are broke and hungry. It is just as important to not get the blame for the planned collapse as it is to survive it.

     
    • Phil

      November 19, 2014 at 4:12 PM

      henry,
      Appreciate every comment you have made that I am aware of.

      Now, &, re: The Declaration of Independence/Statute of 1776. First, tho, people who work for an

      honest living, e.g. Carpenters, Roofers, Iron workers, Plumbers, Pipe fitters, Electricians, Farmers,

      etc., need other people to run/enforce the true law, as the honest workers cannot do both, hold a

      position in Government, & do the honest work too. I know you know this. Now, the words written in

      the D.O.I. must be written in the hearts of the elected officials, and, IF NOT, then they are just

      worthless/empty words on paper. FACT IS, the elected officials, at least for the most part, consider

      the words written in the D.O.I, nothing more than, Backwoods Frontier Gibberish.This IS a SAD FACT..

       
      • Adask

        November 19, 2014 at 5:01 PM

        Do they also regard the Bible (which is even older than the D.O.I.) as “backwoods frontier gibberish”?

         
      • henry

        November 19, 2014 at 6:11 PM

        Al brings up a very good question. I think that the people who get elected to Congress are the best liars in their district. They have been culturally, chemically, intellectually and spiritually retarded. They know that they need to say things that the people back home want to hear but it doesn’t seem to be that many of them can think for themselves. They don’t want to say anything that could be construed as offensive or make them look like they are not intelligent. This fear of looking stupid ends up making them stupid. Many Americans fall for the polished façade and vote for them again.

        I try to have civilized conversations with people that I disagree with. It is rare that I can find someone who is willing and able to have conversations on anything substantial. Many are afraid of even trying to give the reasoning behind their opinions. Most of those who are not afraid seem to have a captured mind. They response to any alternative analysis of any story in a number of ways: Disbelief (that is just a conspiracy theory), Apathy (that’s their problem not mine), Apologists (of course they needed to take that action because they are smarter than us and they have thought things through), Agreement (this what should be done), Disempowerment (there is nothing that I do can do to change this so why try?), Awakening (we got to stop this from continuing). They also seem to have a static world view: If raising the minimum wage to $10/hour is good, why not $100/hour? They have difficulty seeing the consequences if their opinions get adopted.

        I had several conversations with Harvard educated people who help answer Al’s question. They believe that the individual doesn’t exist. Only groups exist. Each with members who do not think and leaders who do. The group attempts to out maneuver other groups to get their resources. Telling the truth is not a winning strategy for outcompeting other groups or keeping members in the group. If a lie can keep the group focused then the leader has the duty to lie. If he/she doesn’t then the other potential leaders will try to replace them. It is not clear to me if elected servants have any moral foundation at all. Either they do but they are afraid of acting on the foundation, or they don’t and they will do and say whatever it takes to stay in office. In the end, I guess it doesn’t matter.

        I find Al’s analysis of the legal, political, and financial systems to be very insightful. But, most Americans would think it is gibberish. The government bureaucrats will say it is nonsense even if they do comprehend it. (please forgive any grammatical or spelling errors. If had more time, I would type it into a word processor before pasting on this site.)

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        November 19, 2014 at 6:36 PM

        Henry you need not worry about spelling errors with those of us that are interested in facts. WE are able to understand what has been presented.

        You had only three ‘errors’ and there is know shame in that!

        façade IS facade

        Disempowerment is Dis empowerment

        outcompeting is out competing

        I know that we will have the FOOLS that will attempt to discredit what we say, by ridiculing our spelling etc. so it may be advantageous to seek out a safe guard against unwarranted attacks by the trolls.

        A simple google search can bring you some effortless, posting pleasure!

        coba.p4kids.net/free-spell-check-downloads-for-wordpad?C=D;O=A

        download.cnet.com/1770-20_4-0-4.html?query

        Copy paste and BOOM! Problem solved. When I first started posting on the www I spent so much time fixing my spelling errors with the use of a hard copy dictionary! Then my son-in-law hooked me up!
        Just find one that is compatible with your browser and computer. As you type, it automatically points out any potential spelling errors.

         
      • Adask

        November 19, 2014 at 8:35 PM

        If I’m understanding this “micro-thread” correctly, one or more of you might not have a reliable spell-checking program and/or sophisticated word-processing program.

        If so, search for WPS Writer at http://www.wps.com/. The program is free, widely-used, without any hidden spyware (so far as I know) and almost as good as Microsoft’s “Word”.

        I still use Microsoft’s Word, but I dislike Microsoft so much that I plan to shift over to WPS Writer in the the near future. I’ll never buy another Microsoft Word program. I’m also planning to install Linux Ubuntu on one of my computers as a non-Microsoft operating system. That shift in operating systems will take a little more time. I might get that done before the end of this year, or it might take a little longer.

        I’ll probably need at least one more major annoyance from Microsoft before I’m finally aggravated enough to shift to Ubuntu or some similar Linux program. The problem is that I have Windows 8 on the computer I want to install Ubuntu on and, so far as I know, I can’t just add Ubuntu as an alternative OS where Windows 8 is already installed (I could if the computer ran on Windows 7 or earlier). If I understand correctly, I have to completely remove 8 before I can install Ubuntu.

        Microsoft, again, aggravating me with their arrogance.

        In any case, if you need a word processing that’s top-of-the-line, and free, check out WPS Writer.

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        November 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM

        HOLD on HENRY….

        Dont run the coba.p4kids.net/free-spell-check-downloads-for-wordpad?C=D;O=A

        My Webroot antiVirus said it is infected! Srry. I had been wanting to install one for my word pad and I just tried that one!

         
  4. PegPowers

    November 19, 2014 at 5:16 PM

    If I’ve studied my history books correctly, Germany is nothing but a conquered, OCCUPIED territory of U.S. “kings”……..as is Japan. The same central bankers (elite Edomite kings of URth) rule over and control each.

     
    • EDOMS THORN

      November 19, 2014 at 5:42 PM

      You have scored an A+… Those so called “Elite” do have an identifiable lineage! Those so called ELITE have engaged in a concerted effort to destroy the Western NATIONS, not because of the ALLEGED/proposed need of these so called Elite/JEWS to control us, or their GREED! Nor is it about their lust for POWER! IT IS A BLOOD ISSUE!
      They are EDOM, and we in the west are Jacob/ISRAEL.

      EDOM are SATAN’S fleshly manifestation in the world today, and the Western Nations are Gods Chosen, to BLESS the world, and it was through Jacob/ISRAEL, that the Messiah came into the world, to put down Satan’s rebellion to God once and for all. That is why WE are under attack!

       
    • EDOMS THORN

      November 19, 2014 at 5:55 PM

      Peg Powers, This may be of interest to you and the readers.

      Leading German Journalist admits CIA routinely ‘Bribed’ him; Germany is a colony of the USA
      http://justice4germans.com/2014/11/19/leading-german-journalist-admits-cia-routinely-bribed-him-germany-is-a-colony-of-the-usa/

       
  5. Phil

    November 19, 2014 at 6:08 PM

    To: Alfred Adask,
    You ask, “Do they also regard the Bible (which is even older than the D.O.I.) as “backwoods frontier gibberish”?

    It’s just A Book of Fairy tales, is one of many answers, FROM THEM. Also, if anyone takes the Holy

    Bible into,at least “some” so called, Courts of “Law” & yes, even if such Court IS a Court of Record,

    (Statutory Court of Record, of course) it is a contemptible offense & warrants 30 days, with the

    added benefit of, 3 hots & a cot, as they say. They DO tell the TRUTH when they say, “That BOOK

    has no place in MY Court. Yes indeed. It IS his/her Court. It’s their HOME, away from home.

    Btw, since this will be my last post, as I see I am not communicating with anyone, & I thank you

    kindly for allowing me to at least TRY to communicate, I will leave with posting the following.

    Seek FIRST, to be in/of The Government of “God” & your “needs” will be provided. “God” does not lie. Numbers 23:19; Titus 1:2, AND, Hebrews 6:18 “………………….. it is impossible for God to lie

    Matthew 6:25
    “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life ?

    28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

    Seek FIRST, to be in/of The Government of “God” & your “needs” will be provided. “God” does not lie. Numbers 23:19; Titus 1:2 Hebrews 6:18 “………………….. it is impossible for God to lie.

     
    • donmako

      November 19, 2014 at 7:03 PM

      Well said. I love those verses andthey are sooooo true.. Pure religion is this to love your neighbor as you would love yourself… Life should be so simple… praise YHWH

       
      • Phil

        November 22, 2014 at 8:16 PM

        donmako
        You say, I love those verses and they are sooooo true.. Pure religion is this to love your neighbor as you would love yourself… Life should be so simple… praise YHWH

        Thanks donmako. i love those verses too. You gave me the courage to keep trying. If it was not for your message, I would not be here.

         
  6. Phil

    November 21, 2014 at 3:26 PM

    EDOMS THORNS said to henry, >Henry you need not worry about spelling errors with those of us that are interested in facts. WE are able to understand what has been presented.

    That’s right Ladies & Gentlemen, Men & Women, Boys & Girls. Misspelling, and even to the extent of mismpelling all words does not matter. It may be hogwash gibberish to a few FOOLS but we who are EDUCATED will understand, as we are only interested in FACTS. And, As EDOMS THORN, said, WE are able to understand what has been presented.

     
  7. Anthony Clifton

    November 22, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    what if I disagree with the entire premise ?

    wasn’t it Jesus who raised the issue about Who sanctifies the gold ?

    what if I think all the hocus pocus jibber jabber from Ron Paul obfuscates the entire issue

    what if the entire global economy construct is an Illusion that is based on the
    ZOG US MILITARY ability with NATO to inflict global crime syndicate compliance with the
    Satanic new world Order and that without the willful compliance of all the 1st World Nations
    {Jacob/Israel} – the whole shootin’ match would be descried in other terms…

    http://www.wowzone.com/monkey.htm

    or is it still possible to believe that the “Jews” in Palestine are in fact “Israel ”
    that is mentioned in the scriptures @ Genesis 49 & Deuteronomy 32 ?

    seems as if it is an either or proposition…

    I’m placing my faith in Jesus and the Almighty

     
    • Phil

      November 22, 2014 at 11:49 AM

      @ > Anthony Clifton says, I’m placing my faith in Jesus and the Almighty.
      Anthony, isn’t this what we all say?

       
    • EDOMS THORN

      November 22, 2014 at 12:30 PM

      Zephaniah 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the Lord’s wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

       
      • Adask

        November 22, 2014 at 2:06 PM

        Absolutely right. On the DAY of the LORD’s wrath, the gold and silver will not be able to deliver us. But what about the day before the DAY of the LORD’S wrath? What about the year before the DAY of the LORD’s wrath? How ’bout the decade before the DAY of the LORD”s wrath?

        Given that no one knows the DAY and it could be tomorrow and it could be ten years from now, it seems to me that gold and silver might be somewhat useful before and up until the DAY of the LORD’s wrath.

        It may be that on the DAY of the LORD’s wrath those who have any gold or silver will throw it out into the streets. But until that DAY, anyone who has any gold/silver might do well to hang on to it.

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        November 22, 2014 at 2:43 PM

        This is the one I was looking for. I think there are few more.

        Isaiah 1:20-23 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it. How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
        22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:
        Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.

         
      • Adask

        November 23, 2014 at 1:28 AM

        “thy silver has become dross” sounds a little like saying “thy money has become fiat”.

         
      • Phil

        November 22, 2014 at 8:08 PM

        EDOMS THORN
        Re:@ >You used, Isaiah 22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:

        My Reply To E.T., Thy silver – The sentiment in this verse, as it is explained by the following, is, thy princes and people have become corrupt, and polluted. Silver is used here to denote what should have been more valuable – virtuous princes.

        Dross – This word – סיג sı̂g – means the scoriae, or baser metal, which is separated from the purer in smelting. It is of little or no value; and the expression means, that the rulers had become debased and corrupt, as if pure silver had been converted wholly to dross.

        Proverbs 13:11, Dishonest money dwindles away,but
        whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.

        Ecclesiastes 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven.

        Verse 6 A time to get………” ( Please read the message from Alfred Adask again) It’s the timeframe

        Proverbs 10:20 The tongue of the just is as choice silver: the heart of the wicked is little worth
        .

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        November 22, 2014 at 9:15 PM

        FOR explaining the obvious you get an “E” for effort!

        For pretending not to understand why I posted that, you get an “F” for “FOOL”

        It has been a displeasure having to deal with your blathering from WAY back! A year ago you were an fly in the ointment and that is your goal!

        Les Fuches or what ever you call yourself today, you have not fooled me since the third comment you made as “Phil Lings” I hope your “FEELINGS” have been hurt, because you are looking for it! Why no one else sees you for who you are is not very surprising! Many try to ignore the obvious to defend themselves from the truth! IT is much easier to avoid the truth than to face it!

        I am not against free speech, but you are a dissimulator of FACTS, and a pretender!. YOU make crap up solely to DEMONIZE those you hate and the truth they present! That is why all we see out of you and your kind is ‘personal’ attacks, and ridicule! If you and those that engage in those tactics had an argument, you and your kind would would not resort in vague innuendo and personal attacks, but ATTACK the points that I have presented! IT is easier to DEMONIZE the person, than it is to argue against the truth! Typical tactic of the ADL and the enemies of truth!

         
      • Toland

        November 22, 2014 at 11:26 PM

        Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

        You’re imagining things again, Edoms. Phil is obviously not Les Fuchs. For starters, their writing styles are different. Secondly, their manner of attack is different. Overall, there’s very little resemblance.

        You make yourself look paranoid and ridiculous by accusing people of directing “vague innuendo” at you, or of being Les Fuchs covertly returned to attack you, when everyone can see for themselves that both accusations are false.

        If anyone cared what you had to say before now, this weird performance you’re putting on is going a long way towards discrediting your message. The NWO says thanks.

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        November 23, 2014 at 12:35 PM

        Les Fuchs “Phil Lings” knows that as I write “FOOL” I am reffering to the many FOOLS that are found in the book of Proverbs, and mostly Proverbs 18:2.

        PARANOID? You ignored all I wrote concerning the comments to Rodger, just to continue your ridicule and to demonize me. I get it! I see that from trolls across the WWW. that is because truth is of no concern to you!

        …”Roger

        November 18, 2014 at 11:41 PM

        Huh? You’re joking, right ET?

        My comment had nothing to do with you. Why would you take it as a reference to you in any way whatsoever?”….

        >>>
        Roger had the opportunity to make his comment clear, and SAY who he was talking about, but did not find it necessary(?)….

        When Rodger makes those comments does he have an “agenda”? I think so…

        As I pointed out, that was the third time that Roger made such a comment.

        When someone is attacked for defending themselves, it appears that those doing the attacking have an agenda to injure someone’s credibility and character.

         
      • EDOMS THORN

        November 23, 2014 at 6:56 PM

        “Standing Firm” https://adask.wordpress.com/2014/03/23/standing-firm/

        …” J.M.

        March 26, 2014 at 3:42 AM

        “Nothing in this world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more commonplace than unsuccessful men with talent. Genuis will not; unrewarded genuis is almost a proverb. Education alone will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.

        EDOMS THORN
        March 24, 2014 at 9:34 PM, your message in pertinent part, you say, on this thread,

        WELL, that is in my honest EDUCATED opinion”….

        THAT “FOOL” made a big deal out of that truthful comment>>>

        On the same thread >>>
        Henry

        March 25, 2014 at 2:42 AM
        https://adask.wordpress.com/2014/03/23/standing-firm/
        This was FINALLY the beginning of the end for “Les Fuchs” J.M. etc.

        NOW lets try to keep up with the FACTS and the TRUTH! This is from your girl friend “Les Fuchs” at BMANS REVOLT just days ago on November 17 >>>
        http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2014/11/16/bmans-sabbath-watch-lets-examine-the-word-jew-by-edoms-thorn

        Phil Lings says:
        November 17, 2014 at 3:18 pm

        Anthony, E.T. is not here to click on links. E.T. is here to give links for US to click on. In a message from E.T. on the Adask Law Blog, E.T. explained his position on a matter & then added, “This IS my HIGHLY EDUCATED OPINION.”
        I don’t believe ANYBODY who IS highly educated, that understands what humility means, would say that,i.e, THIS IS MY HIGHLY EDUCATED OPINION”…. >>>

        THAT “FOOL” made a big deal out of that truthful comment of mine and has revealed that he is “Les Fuchs” J.M. etc. AND if you care about FACTS and truth you will see there, that I said “In My Honest Educated Opinion”

        On that thread from March 26, 2014 at 3:42 AM here at ADASKS site HENRY said this >>>>
        …”ET,
        I’m just pointing out what JM says JM is.

        > “I usually don’t feed the trolls but I was hoping that he would be removed after ALL of this attention to the FACT that he is a TROLL!” (That was what E.T. said he quoted me)

        (Henry then said) It’s odd how this hope, shared by many, has been in vain, especially since Les Fuchs has been removed so many times before and has now so obviously reappeared as JM.
        Maybe something’s up on the DL. <<<

        HENRY was expressing his opinion that we AGREED!

        AS we there there and BMANS he says "in pertinent part" I have only seen that TROLL say that!

        So What do you look like NOW TOLAND?
        Your Girl Friend has not denied that he is Les Fuchs one time!

        I am not stupid and I saw him for who he is after reading just three of his comments!

        You have been SHOWN, so lets stop with your childish Bull SHH…..

         
      • Phil

        November 22, 2014 at 11:37 PM

        EDOMS THORN
        November 22, 2014 at 9:15 PM
        E.T., You say,> “FOR explaining the obvious you get an “E” for effort!”

        E.T. Then, you obviously did not mean in your message on November 22, 2014 at 12:30 PM that having some gold in reserve on any day, not just in the day of the Lord’s wrath, but, any day, was not a good idea. E.T, my understanding was, you were planting the seed that having some gold in reserve, let’s say for a “rainy day” is or would be of no value, or avail. That is how I understood it.

        E.T., You say, > For pretending not to understand why I posted that, you get an “F” for “FOOL”

        E.T, I was not pretending anything. .

        E.T., You say, > “It has been a displeasure having to deal with your blathering from WAY back! A year ago you were an fly in the ointment and that is your goal!”

        E.T., Another obvious thing is, you have made no bones about me being a fly in your ointment, but you will not cut & paste anything I have said that shows or says why I am a fly in your ointment, &, neither have you directed me to any threads, to show me what I said that makes me so displeasurable for you to deal with. Anybody can accuse, namedrop, & rat-drop too, but without something backing it up, it’s nothing more than name calling & rat dropping

        E.T. YOU say, > “Les Fuches or what ever you call yourself today, you have not fooled me since the third comment you made as “Phil Lings” I hope your “FEELINGS” have been hurt, because you are looking for it! Why no one else sees you for who you are is not very surprising! Many try to ignore the obvious to defend themselves from the truth! IT is much easier to avoid the truth than to face it!”

        E.T., What was my 3rd comment, I don’t remember. What thread was it on?

        E.T., You say, > “I am not against free speech, but you are a dissimulator of FACTS, and a pretender!. YOU make crap up solely to DEMONIZE those you hate and the truth they present! That is why all we see out of you and your kind is ‘personal’ attacks, and ridicule! If you and those that engage in those tactics had an argument, you and your kind would would not resort in vague innuendo and personal attacks, but ATTACK the points that I have presented! IT is easier to DEMONIZE the person, than it is to argue against the truth! Typical tactic of the ADL and the enemies of truth!”

        E.T., WHO is the ALL, in all we?

        E.T. once again, you are saying a lot of bad things about me, but you are not backing up what you say, other than you just saying it. I guess you, E.T., think that in throwing a lot of mud, some has GOT TO STICK.. E.T., I will give you an A++++ on that.

        EDOMS THORN
        November 22, 2014 at 12:30 PM

        EDOMS THORN
        November 22, 2014 at 2:43 PM

         
  8. Phil

    November 22, 2014 at 3:39 PM

    Adask
    Your message of/on, November 22, 2014 at 2:06 PM

    I Believe the “Good LORD” agrees with you 100%. Seems to me He likes GOLD too.

    1 Chronicles 29:2-7,So I have provided for the house of my God, so far as I was able, the gold for
    the things of gold, the silver for the things of silver………” (seems this is a good provision for our house too.)

    Acts 20:33 I coveted no one’s silver or gold or apparel. < This tells me at least SOME of God's People had gold & silver

    1st Chronicles 18:11,These also King David dedicated to the Lord, together with the silver and gold that he had carried off from all the nations,

    1st Corinthians 3:12-14,Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones,
    wood, or, hay, straw, each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it
    will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that
    anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.

    Job 23:10 But he knows the way that I take; when he has tried me, I shall come out as gold.

    Revelation 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls, each of the gates made of a single pearl,
    and the street of the city was pure gold,…………."

    Proverbs 13:22, A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children.

    Proverbs 10:14, The wise store up knowledge, but the mouth of a fool invites ruin.

     
    • Adask

      November 23, 2014 at 1:33 AM

      If I recall correctly, there are two verses in the Bible where the Good LORD says “The gold and the silver are mine.” He may only have been talking about the utensils in the temple, but He might also have been referring to gold and silver somehow different from iron, rock and trees. He might’ve been saying that the gold and silver are His in a very special way that’s unlike other material objects and matter. If so, the fact (?) that gold and silver are always God’s property might explain why people around the world value gold and silver and prefer those metals for their money.

      I.e., maybe we unconsciously sense that gold and silver have a special relationship to God, and wanting to somehow “closer” to God we tend to want gold and silver in a way that doesn’t apply to iron, rock and other matter.

       
      • Phil

        November 23, 2014 at 6:45 AM

        Adask
        Re: Your message on, November 23, 2014 at 1:33 AM

        The silver is mine and the gold is mine declares the LORD Almighty. Haggai 2:8, & 1st Kings 20:3
        I think you & a few others could safely say you have the wealthiest Father in the Universe, not just in the world.

        1st Chronicles 18:11,These also King David dedicated to the Lord, together with the silver and gold that he had carried off from all the nations….

        King David LOVED the law of, “God.” Psalm 119:97. We can rightly call The Law of, “God” the LOVE of “God” because this IS what it IS. An outgoing concern & deeply caring for each other. David DEDICATED TO the good LORD the gold & silver. It’s not the thing that’s wrong, it’s the WRONG USE of ANYTHING, that is wrong. David is not going to “dedicate” anything to “God” that “God” will not appreciate. At least this is how I see & understand it.

         
  9. Phil

    November 23, 2014 at 7:11 AM

    Toland
    Re:Your message on/of November 22, 2014 at 11:26 PM
    wow, what can I say. To say, thanks, seems so shallow, but I don’t know what to say. I am truly lost for words, but, THANK YOU !!!!!

     
  10. Phil

    November 23, 2014 at 7:51 PM

    EDOMS THORN
    1. E.T., FIRST, please TRY & SEE that YOU are,one type/kind,of the people I am commanded to PRAY FOR as described in Matthew 5:43-45. E.T., I DO THIS. I ask “God” to HELP you see the LIGHT, & for other NEEDS you may have. E.T., You may not understand this, OR, believe it, BUT, this IS a FACT.

    2. E.T., You SAY that you are only interested in FACTS & you also say you are able to understand what has been presented.

    3. In addition to what has been presented to YOU, E.T., what follows ARE more FACTS. These FACTS have been presented to you before but it’s obvious you did not understand,THEN, but hopefully, you will, this time around.This is really a WEARY Go Round, as round & round we go.

    4. E.T., IN your message of, November 18, 2014 at 9:21 PM, you, E.T., say:

    “Note that what “RODGER” said, is much like your filthy attacks on me and my Character, NOT the

    facts that I have presented, but horrendous, PERSONAL ATTACKS, designed to DEMONIZE ME

    and the truth that I have presented!!

    5.I replied to you, E.T, > “E.T. you said, RODGER, Eight (8) times in your message. I cannot find ANY comment made by, RODGER. I DO SEE 2 comments made by, Roger, but not by, RODGER.

    Anyway, I DO NOT see Roger saying anything whatsoever, in any manner, shape form or fashion about You, E.T.”

    6.What is it, E.T., that you do not understand about the above FACTUAL statement?

    7. E.T.,Roger, referred to,> Matthew 5:43-45 You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven….

    8. E.T., Roger, says, Yet there are those who pay no attention to the above words of Jesus,

    9. E.T., Roger is saying, they are seditious agitators, those who pay no attention to the above words of Jesus, with an agenda of their own: the destruction of your nation, your future, and your peace of mind so the international Money Power can rule over you.

    10.E.T.,Roger IS SAYING that there are people who pay no attention to WHAT Yeshua/Jesus IS SAYING in Matthew 5: 43-45. Roger IS also SAYING these people are seditious agitators, & Roger GIVES the REASONS as to the PURPOSES < plural, PURPOSES.

    11. E.T., UNLESS, you are a seditious agitator, OR, part of the, international Money Power, OR, BOTH, you have no reason to be upset at all with what Roger said, & that's a FACT TOO.

    12. E.T., The poster's name, IS, Roger. NOT RODGER. ANOTHER FACT.

    13. Now, FINALLY. To who it may concern; It is written in Proverbs 9:7,
    "Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse.

    My "hangup" on this scripture IS, if I do not respond to the vain repetitious accusations of anyone, sooner or later, this could be taken to mean, the accusations are TRUE. So, I do respond, & it IS probably IDIOTIC & FOOLISH for me to do so, BUT, it's as tho I am in a TRAP, & TRAPPED UNJUSTLY. ALL I have asked IS that the accuser direct me or ANYONE to the statement(s) I have made that confirm/affirm these accusations and I don't think this is asking too much.If E.T. can cut & paste something Roger said, the E.T. could ALSO cut & paste ANYTHING I said to justify his accusations of me. BUT, he WILL NOT do this.

    It seems this IS where we are, time-wise. Matthew 24:10-12. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax (grow) COLD

     
    • EDOMS THORN

      November 24, 2014 at 11:46 AM

      `

      J.M. LES what ever >>>

      Just like you to handle the word of God DECEITFULLY to attack me and make yourself look like the victim!

      Nothing in Matthew 5:44 pertains to me! ALL I have said to you and about you is the truth. “I am there for become your enemy because I tell you the truth”? I do not consider you my enemy.

      You left out so many things concerning the conversation about Roger and my comments.
      That shows you are interested in in only demonizing me. I made myself VERY clear, but you ignore all of the facts and focus on what YOU say Roger meant! I’m NOT interested in what you “think’.

      Only childish TROLLS concern themselves with some ones spelling errors and the like!

       
  11. Phil

    November 23, 2014 at 8:46 PM

    To who it may concern,
    Yes, please do go to that BMan thread & SEE what ELSE I said that EDOM THORN conveniently leaves out. May it’s not there anymore. I don’t really know. BUT, I’m hoping it is. I do KNOW that BMan responded to the LAST 2 messages I left BUT, He did not POST my messages. HE only responded to them. ANYWAY, I do believe I cut & pasted the exchanges made on BMan thread.Sooooo let’s go from there. IF the remainder of what I said to E.T. IS STILL there, on that BMan thread, the, We have a POISON VIPER we are exchanging messages with, name? EDOMS THORN.

     
  12. Phil

    November 23, 2014 at 11:49 PM

    EDOMS THORN
    YOU, E.T., say, to either Henry, or, Toland, in your comment above,> “AS we there there and BMANS he says “in pertinent part” I have only seen that TROLL say that!” < This is the, in pertinent part of your message. E.T.

    Hey E.T. The following is ANOTHER in pertinent part for you 2 C. Could the writer of the following be the REAL LES FUCHS, & ALL the other aka's?

    The False Claims Act ("FCA") provides, in pertinent part, that:
    (a) Any person who (1) knowingly presents, or causes to be presented,
    to an officer or employee of the United States Government or a
    member of the Armed Forces of the United States a false or fraudulent
    claim for payment or approval; (2) knowingly makes, uses, or causes
    to be made or used, a false record or statement to get a false or
    fraudulent claim paid or approved by the Government; (3) conspires to
    defraud the Government by getting a false or fraudulent claim paid or
    approved by the Government;. . . or (7) knowingly makes, uses, or
    causes to be made or used, a false record or statement to conceal,
    avoid, or decrease an obligation to pay or transmit money or property
    to the Government,

    E.T. You ONLY SEE what you WANT to SEE !! I have a lot more "in pertinent part excerpts" if you need anymore. AND , NO E.T. I am not the "FCA" AND NO, E.T. I did not write the, "in pertinent part excerpt above."

     
  13. Robert Snyder

    December 4, 2014 at 7:30 PM

    Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: SOJ : On the Road to Statehood through Lake County Anthony, I’m not sure about the federal water law…. as far as how that arbitration of water rights goes.   Generally speaking… the states are the caretakers of water rights.   The federal role is changing from the federal agency view of perceived role…  of amount of power they have over state water.  The Klamath River system, as an example…. has many federal projects… settlements, allocations..etc.  Complicated…then you have the DEQ, Federal fish and wildlife…law suits… tribal ancestral rights [married to federal govt] and on and on… I don’t know how that sorts out.  Some one with knowledge on water rights will surly share with us. Couple years ago I contacted the California Dept of the treasury with the “dept per citizen” question as regarding a state separation.  To my surprise… I was forwarded to the directors office…and Alice..the executive assistant/secretary was “given permission” to chat with me online. Questions were if the California State accumulated debt and obligations would be prorated by citizen [what about illegals?], by acre, or by some other measure? Here is what is called the “knight fork”… in chess.  The fact that that piece on the board can command two directions…..two spaces.   Anyway… my question to the Ca State Treasurer was … …. “If the CA debt is allocated by citizen… will that figure be the posted accounting figure used for the California muni bond rating…or will that figure per CA citizen include unfunded liabilities like CalPers and individual school district bonds backed by the state but non accounted [for example]?’ I was met with dead silence to that question.  Just a cow college business major from OSU Anthony… just a farm boy.   The office was then quiet..and all further inquiries were directed to public published data. The problem of the State of CA is if they let Jefferson out..there has to be a debt figure given.   If it is the true figure…it is what it is.   If the figure Sacramento offers is a lie [way to low]…then the lie must be allocated not against Jefferson…but against the remainder of California State … left holding the debt bag. If Sacramento is sand bagging in the GAAP debt accounting… and stick with their story… take that number… and the rest of CA is stuck covering the difference. If the true figure is significantly higher than published figures….and those figures are made public…. that could drastically change the bond rating for CA State, the interest required for risk payments…and could ripple through the entire United States bond market.  In a bad way…. Add to that assumption… two new conservative Federal Senators… and you just changed the balance of the United States politics…and to some measure..the world political balance. Some no name town in Northern California…some no name worthless farmers, miners…timber men…. working people…. “WE THE PEOPLE” mj

    On 12/4/2014 12:43 PM, Katherine Lehman wrote:   On Thu, December 4, 2014 08:22, anthony intiso wrote:   Just reviewed their Finance video. HALF TRUITHS, MANY, MANY ASSUMPTIONS. Statement “Feds Own the water”……………NOT TRUE!!!! BIG understatement on what the debt would really be!!!! Anthony   PS: pass it on   On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 8:51 PM, Katherine Lehman wrote:    

     
  14. BMan

    December 28, 2014 at 6:08 AM

    I am not sure if the blog owner knows this phil guy, but he is stalking my blog with numerous bogus comments, after being asked to cease and desist. If you have any clout with this asshole, please use it to get him to stop stalking me and my blog. It is the worst I have ever seen in all my years of blogging.

    It would be appreciated.

     
    • Adask

      December 28, 2014 at 8:35 AM

      I have no clout. I just write the articles and sweep up after everyone else has gone home.

       
      • BMan

        December 29, 2014 at 5:58 AM

        Thanks, anyway. He has added even more comments to my blog after me asking many times to stop (I am taking the liberty to edit them for clarity and understanding before I allow them to post). He uses different aliases, trying to act like several different identities, but is too stupid to realize that I see the IP address is the same for them all, meaning all ID’s are the same stalker who is clogging up your comment section, as well.

        It is one ting to be an asshole, but to be a stupid asshole completely oblivious to how this format works just goes to show what an ignorant hack he really is.

        I apologize for bringing this scumbag religious poseur back to your place, but I don’t want him.

         
  15. josephlamarca@hotmail.com

    March 3, 2015 at 6:07 PM

    For each FOOL that is born every day on earth ! the fool gets to slave his ass to work every day and the elites print and put in serculation paper currancy , globally .Silver and Gold is only used as a medium of exchange and or other choices that you may have .
    Chem Trails, G M O Foods poluted waters altered vegetable seeds ! have I left out anything besides the concentration camps ? the pigs have all the gold in the bank of london don’t worry about it You Can’t eat it anyways .

     

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