Tuesday Night Radio: Rob West on Foreclosure, more.

12 May

American Independence Hour hosted by Alfred Adask; 8:00 PM to 10:00 PM Central time, Tuesday nights, on and also on the KU band, free-to-air satellite link at Galaxy 19.  There’ll be call-ins at 1-855-566-3738.


Posted by on May 12, 2015 in American Independence Hour, Radio



8 responses to “Tuesday Night Radio: Rob West on Foreclosure, more.

  1. donmako

    May 13, 2015 at 4:12 PM

    Greetings, and peace to those in the name of our Lord… I need some help guys. I hate to just bust up in here bumming like this. Last week sometime Thurs night or Friday my dad who is 80 and lives in northern Illinois, went to the hospital for a skin break on his arm… It wasn’t even worthy of stitches but they kept him against his will. They have kept him in 2 point restraints doped up on atavan ever since… They say they are treating him for alcohol detox. I told them to stop doping my dad up and asked who authorized that treatment. No strait answers… Basically they kinda taunt and laugh at me because I live in Florida. And there’s nobody up there who can get him…. I’m driving up there Friday morning to save him… Please help let me pick yalls collective brain. Thanks in advance for yer prayers and support.

    • Adask

      May 14, 2015 at 7:08 AM

      The first question: Is your father an alcoholic?

      Second: When intoxicated, is your father prone to irrational or even violent behavior?

      I’ve never heard of “skin tears” before, I don’t know if that problem is primarily associated with alcoholism or old age. I do understand that your skin becomes thinner (and presumably more subject to tearing?) as you become more elderly.

      Consistent with Cathy Baldwin’s comments, it’s not impossible that the doctors are actually trying to help your father rather than simply oppress and ensnare him.

      I’m not in favor of anyone being subjected to “medical care” against his will. But there are some people who enter hospitals voluntarily or involuntarily who are too impaired to make an intelligent decision as to what care they should be subjected to, and perhaps too likely to engage in violent acts that could be harmful to others or even the “patient”. What should the hospitals do? Drive a drunk to the nearest liquor store and drop him off? Or try to “dry him out”–even against his will–to save his life or at least render him fit to make an intelligent decision as to what care he will voluntarily seek and accept?

      Your father appears to be caught in a very difficult situation. There are no easy answers–especially if your father is incapable of taking care of himself. Perhaps you should petition the courts to appoint you as your dad’s guardian and take him back to Florida.

      There is a test that might be used to suggest whether the hospital is acting maliciously or beneficially in this matter: Is the hospital profiting from holding your father, breaking even, or losing money. If they’re losing money, their treatment for your father (no matter how harsh) may be motivated by a genuine attempt to help him. If they’re making profit by holding your father, their motives might be sinister. MIGHT be.

      I’m not here to defend hospitals or an other big institutions. Big institutions are known for sometimes acting in ways that are indifferent to, and even threatening to, individually-held rights. But, sometimes, big institutions also do act beneficially for their customers, patients and even captives.

      Before you act impulsively in this matter, you ought to determine whether your father is still capable of taking care of himself and whether his alcoholism has rendered him more prone to committing uncontrollable act that could hurt him or others.

      If your dad is out of control and posing a threat to himself or others, it’s not unreasonable for authorities to act on his behalf, even those acts restrict your father’s freedoms. I hate to write than anything could justify anyone’s involuntary “restraint”. But in the real world, such restraints are not necessarily malicious.

      Should a man who’s intoxicated be allowed to drive and possibly kill himself and several others? Should a man who’s so intoxicated that he starts firing his rifle out the window randomly and risk shooting some innocent neighbor?

      The most telling sentence in your plea for assistance in this matter is the sentence that you didn’t write. You didn’t deny that your father is an alcoholic. That omission implies that your father really is an alcoholic. That implication, in turn, suggests that the hospital might not be the “bad guys” in this matter. You need to explore and consider that possibility before you start subjecting the hospital to false allegations or even believing believing those allegations, yourself.

      If your dad is really an alcoholic, maybe the hospital is doing the best it can under very difficult circumstances. If your dad is NOT an alcoholic, then you and your father are facing a very difficult problem. If so, let us know what’s happening and perhaps some of us can make some useful suggestions.

      • donmako

        May 14, 2015 at 7:50 AM

        I wrote all that under a ton of stress… I am a bit frantic…. There is a peace about me now thanks to a lot of prayer and suplication… Praise Yahweh. I know my dad has about 3 beers before bed… It helps him relax and go to sleep better. He’s done it as long as I’ve known him. I’ve never known him to drink any alcohol during the day… Strictly before bed…. That could have led to a fall… That could have been the root cause for his break in skin…. That’s all info I couldn’t get because nobody has given me any strait answers… Not as to when or why or how he was even admitted…. Who authorized his alcohol treatment or how they came to determine he needed that sorta treatment, again they will not answer that… As to the profit motive…. I got a nurse to tell me who his doctor is… Its about 7 revolving doc.. No 1 responsible doc for him. Just a series of pass the buck alongs. That. And all he is still there for they said was detox. And that was Tuesday… At least 96 hrs into his stay… Well beyond a baker act… None the less… Thank you for your time and compassion Al. Thank you.

      • Ted D. Roofer

        May 18, 2015 at 6:10 PM

        Dear Alfred,The only reason I am putting the following here, on this thread, is because I do think it is important to be aware of the information. IF you do not agree, then, I’m sure you know how to delete it. I may be wrong, but I believe you will regard it as, at least, interesting.

        From Latin Humanus= “a lesser/inferior man or woman defined legally as an animal and/or monster as distinct from the ancient (pre Vatican) Roman term homo = man “. A key rule of Law from the 14th Century describing a fundamental legal fiction –that is the notion of an inferior man or woman as an animal (as defined by Papal Decree) and therefore not subject to the laws of free men, but the laws of property. The decision to create a 2nd word for Homo (man), denoting an inferior “animal” man was crucial to the legal implementation of the Vatican global slave trade from the 14th Century–to overcome the questions of legality and morality of the Vatican slave trade. Therefore, unbaptized indigenous populations were legally defined as “humans” –therefore animals. Legally, the name of a human must always be in CAPITALS to identify that individual as property as distinct from a free man.
        ALSO SEE:

    • Ted D. Roofer

      May 14, 2015 at 2:04 PM

      @ > There is a peace about me now thanks to a lot of prayer and suplication… Praise Yahweh.
      Yes, Praise Yahweh. Outgoing concern prayer for others works. As for me, I will keep interceding for you & your Dad and I believe others will too. Shalom.

  2. Cathy Baldwin

    May 14, 2015 at 12:29 AM

    My sympathy with you in this difficult time. As a registered nurse for decades I have seen scenarios like this many times. The hospital does not just arbitrarily put people in restraints and on ativan. They had to determine your father a risk to himself and if sent out would have a bad outcome. Skin tears can be minor or extensive and problematic, they often result from falling or falling into things. The blood ETOH (alcohol) level of your father would have been a factor in deciding he needed hospitalization and would be at risk returning home. His behavior in the ED also would have been considered. As a christian I would be grateful they were able to intervene in what could easily have been a fatal outcome. The elderly who are using alcohol are at a significant risk. It is unfortunate two point restraints are needed but it appears his safety and well being were the reason they are being used. Is the ativan being given IV? If so, the general problem is the patient pulling the IV out, etc. The Lord God Almighty is able to deliver us out of or through any and all circumstances. Humble yourself and be grateful and thankful for the thin white line that has apparently helped your father in his time of need. If you can stay in humility and gratitude and lose the ‘ they did this to my father’ attitude and be thankful he is not dead at home in a pool of blood, you will get something done when you get there. I lived through this with my mother, thank God He always provided. Love and best wishes and peace dear donmako.

  3. dog-move

    May 14, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Remember what things “AMA”lek ( AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION FOUNDED BY SWINDLER MORRIS FISHBIEn) did to thee by the way, when thou wentest forth out of the land of Egypt: how he withstood thee in the way, and harassed thy rear, even those that were weary behind thee, and thou didst thou hunger and wast weary; and he did not fear God. Duet. XXV:17
    Amalek and his hospital corporations love to charge the trust entity, bottom line fact. They are warehouses, like prisons, for profit. May the Lord BIND Amalek! Remember in your pursuit, sign your name properly if you must do so.
    And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow and vexation, and from thy hard servitude wherin thou didst serve them. And thou shalt take up this lamentation against the king of Babylon, How has the extortioner and the taskmaster ceased. Esaias XIII:3.

  4. Ted D. Roofer

    May 18, 2015 at 8:48 PM

    Good News for ya. I will get out of everybody’s back & out of your hair. At least no one has turned & rended me. Roger, Toland, Henry, & Colin make their higher than high intelligent comments but for some unknown reason, they do not respond to my comments & questions regarding their brilliant statements & questions.Neither do they respond to Jethro’s statements & questions. I wonder why?? :-):-) :-) D


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