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Who/What is End Times “Babylon”?

06 Aug

I’m not a student of End Times.  I should be, but I’ve never gotten around to it.  Over the years, I’ve read a couple of books, chapters in the Bible, a number of articles and, of course, I’ve seen an assortment of internet videos on the subject.

However, to be a real student of End Times, I think I’d need to dedicate three months, six months, maybe a year or more to intense and exclusive study of that subject.  Just me, my Bible and my computer to slowly assemble and analyze all of the Biblical “pieces” to the End Times puzzle   So far, I haven’t had or made the time to do that.

Nevertheless, I’ve held a couple of superficial opinions on the subject that have been fairly consistent for the past 30 years.  For example, I’ve accepted the notion that the End Times “whore” that sits on “seven hills” must be the Catholic Church.  I’ve also supposed (and feared) that the United States might be the “Babylon” that’s destroyed in one hour or one day in Revelation.  I’ve never said or thought that those opinions were absolutely true, but I’ve accepted them as likely.

So, I was much surprised by the following video which, among other things, claims that there’s another city besides Rome (and the Vatican) that also sits on “seven hills“.  That city is located in Saudi Arabia and is the site of Islam’s holiest shrine:  Mecca. Based on a large number of Bible verses, the video argue that that Rome, the Catholics, New York City and the United States can’t be the “Babylon” of End Times.  Instead, the End Times “Babylon” must be associated with Islam and Mecca.

As I started to listen to the video, I thought, Oh-my-gosh, here’s another one of those crackpot theories.  I thought it was crazy. But, since I’d never before heard the argument that the End Times “Babylon” was Islam, I was curious.  So, I continued to listen to see what I could learn.  After five or ten minutes of skeptical listening, I began to think that the Islam-is-Babylon theory made a lot of sense.

The video hasn’t yet convinced me that the End Times “Babylon” must be associated with the Islamic faith and/or Mecca.  I’d have to verify every item of scripture that was quoted in the video to see that it wasn’t falsely interpreted before I began to believe the theory.  Still, the video makes arguments that impress me as possible, persuasive and interesting.

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326 responses to “Who/What is End Times “Babylon”?

  1. Peg-Powers

    August 6, 2015 at 9:24 AM

    Just yesterday I was reading the last few chapters of Revelation and noticed that the great Babylonish Whore seems to be a great all encompassing MERCHANT SYSTEM which deals in goods like corn, oil, platinum, and numbered inventoried slaves (you & me), which is destroyed in ONE HOUR’S time. I noticed that afterwards, the ultra-rich “merchants” themselves were still alive; still hanging around wailing and howling about what VICTIMS they were in the situation. Sounds like a total computer melt-down to me. I believe most religious sects are nothing but a business for profit with the goal of becoming more rich and more powerful.

     
    • Toland

      August 8, 2015 at 6:39 PM

      Revelation 11:8 Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

      Revelation 17:5-6 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

      Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

      Matthew 23:31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.

      Matthew 23:34-36 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

       
      • Roger

        August 8, 2015 at 11:15 PM

        Thanks for chiming in, Toland. While it can seem an uphill battle against the works of the devil, the ultimate winners have God’s word on their side.

        Observe how the deceivers rarely if ever attempt an argument from scripture alone. Rather, their preferred tactic is to pile up handwavy assertion upon handwavy assertion upon handwavy assertion until you’re overwhelmed by a mountain of handwavy assertion alone (often packaged with fancy graphics and appeal-to-emotion background music). We see through their shoddy phantasmagoria, of course.

        To your scriptural citation, notice how Jesus, in Matthew 23, says “all these things will come upon this generation”. Do you think the audience he was addressing considered this a reference to a time thousands of years in the future? Of course not.

        Jesus said “this generation” would answer for the blood of the prophets, and sure enough that’s what happened when the Roman legions under Titus destroyed “Babylon” in 70 AD.

        Revelation 18:21-24 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

        Matthew 23:34-36 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

        Luke 21:20-22 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

         
      • Mark Twang

        August 9, 2015 at 9:43 PM

        Toland, Henry, Roger,
        @ Revelation 11:8 Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.”

        “Their Lord? THEIR??
        For a more precise meaning of, that great city, & where & what it is, see each of the following, re:
        And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
        Ellicott’s Commentary for English Readers
        Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary
        Barnes’ Notes on the Bible
        Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
        Matthew Poole’s Commentary
        Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
        Geneva Study Bible
        Remember. Study & study some more to show “God” we mean business!!!

         
      • Toland

        August 9, 2015 at 11:06 PM

        Observe how the deceivers rarely if ever attempt an argument from scripture alone.

        That’s because once you reason from scripture alone, the Big Lie is revealed. Only the doctrines of men support false conclusions, scripture itself never does. For example…

        Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

        Someone in the church in John’s time reading this verse would immediately conclude it refers to the temple in Jerusalem (which obviously must have still been standing in order for John to measure it). But this contradicts the deceivers, who try real hard to misdate Revelation to some time after 70 AD, or else it is clear to anyone historically literate how easily and consistently all these prophesies apply to the destruction of Jerusalem in that year. Indeed the famous Jewish historian Josephus writing at the time, recognized the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans as fulfilling the parallel prophesies in Daniel.

        As you say, the mental gymnastics of those who promote the doctrines of men are amusing to watch.

         
      • Mark Twang

        August 10, 2015 at 12:13 AM

        Toland,
        @ As you say, the mental gymnastics of those who promote the doctrines of men are amusing to watch.
        Toland, it really does appear that You, & Henry, & Roger are saying The Holy Bible is only a “History Book”. Maybe I AM missing something, so if I am wrong, I do stand to be corrected. Please do not misunderstand. I KNOW The Bible is not, overall, a History Book, it seems that you 3 are saying it is,i.e., a History Book, & this is all it is.

         
      • Lance Pearce

        August 10, 2015 at 11:57 PM

        Toland,
        @ That’s because once you reason from scripture alone, the Big Lie is revealed.”
        DISAGREE! We need to understand that the scriptures we have are not divinely inspired. We only have translations of the original divinely inspired scriptures. IF we STUDY to show ourselves approved, we will SEE that some of the TRANSLATED scriptures ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE to the original meaning. I could give MANY examples. Here are just a few. Easter is written when it should be Passover. BIG difference in the two festivals. After the fast is written where it should say after the day of ATONEMENT. Born again is written where it should say, BEGOTTEN. SOooooo going on the scriptures at face value leads into false beliefs.

         
      • Lance Pearce

        August 11, 2015 at 12:26 AM

        Toland,
        @ Observe how the deceivers rarely if ever attempt an argument from scripture alone.
        I observe how SOME people USE the scriptures & argue that they mean something other than what they REALLY MEAN, but, as The Apostle Peter SAID, Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. ( DISTORT AS they DO the OTHER scriptures to their own DESTRUCTION!!!)

        17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen. 2nd Peter 3:15 verses 16 through 18.

         
      • Toland

        August 11, 2015 at 2:34 AM

        Be advised that the often-banned Les Fuchs is once again trying to deceive the readers of this blog by posting under multiple usernames. (Often these usernames will even have pretend discussions with each other, lol). So far on this page it’s been “Mark Twang” and “Lance Pearce”, though more may appear later. The best thing to do is just scroll past such comments; you won’t miss anything of substance. Better yet get the WordPress browser add-on that detects comments by Les Fuchs, whatever the disposable nom du jour may be, and blocks their text from appearing (see Henry about how to install it and improve your experience of Al’s fine blog). The last thing you want to do though is feed the troll.

         
      • Henry

        August 11, 2015 at 4:03 AM

        “The last thing you want to do though is feed the troll.”

        Unless you’re someone for whom reverse psychology applies, in which case:

        You must feed the troll.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/reverse_psychology

         
      • Lance Pearce

        August 11, 2015 at 4:07 AM

        Toland,
        My meaning of not taking the scriptures at face value IS, To believe or accept that something is true or exists as it APPEARS to be: I do not take ANY Scripture to mean what it LOOKS like it means. I research. There are MANY scriptures that ARE accurately translated but there ARE some that are not. I say this based on what I DO understand about the Bible, NOT ON WHAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. I have not figured out a lot of what is written in the Bible YET like many people SAY they have. It’s EASY for me to say I don’t know. It’s EASY for me to say I was wrong. I do not have a PRIDE problem!! I DO have an EMOTIONAL problem in not getting angry when I SEE what is happening, but I can say with all honesty I think it is RIGHTEOUS ANGER.

         
      • Lance Pearce

        August 11, 2015 at 4:31 AM

        Toland, Henry, Roger,
        @ Be advised that the often-banned Les Fuchs is once again trying to deceive the readers of this blog……………………………………
        YOU BIG 3 BE ADVISED THAT IF YOU NEED TO TELL ANYONE HE/SHE IS BEING DECEIVED IT’S BECAUSE THEY ALREADY ARE SO DECEIVED THEY ARE IN TOTAL DARKNESS IF HE/SHE CANNOT SEE WHAT YOU BIG 3 ARE DOING!! HOWEVER!! I SEE THAT THE CHIEF OF THIS AWESOME HIGH QUALITY UNIQUE BLOG APPARENTLY SEES IT THE WAY YOU BIG 3 SUPREMELY INTELLIGENT BEINGS DO, BUT I’M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT YOU BIG 3 ARE AGENTS OF SATAN!! NOW THE CHIEF CAN MOST CERTAINLY DELETE THIS ABSOLUTELY TRUE MESSAGE FROM ME TO YOU BIG 3 AWESOME, HIGH QUALITY, UNIQUE APPEARING AS LIGHT LIGHT BRINGERS BUT YOU ARE DOING THE WILL OF THE PRINCE OF THE POWER OF DARKNESS!! TELL YA WHAT!! IF THIS COMMENT IS DELETED THEN I WILL KNOW FOR SURE Alfred Adask & you BIG 3 ARE BIRDS OF A FEATHER SO LET THE CHIPS FALL!!

         
      • Toland

        August 12, 2015 at 5:30 PM

        Unless you’re someone for whom reverse psychology applies, in which case: … You must feed the troll.

        I see what you did there ;-)

         
      • Lance Pearce

        August 12, 2015 at 7:01 PM

        tOLaNd,
        @ Be advised that the often-banned Les Fuchs is once again trying to deceive the readers of this blog by posting under multiple usernames.
        This most assuredly MUST mean YOU, & HEnrY, &, rOGeR, ARE, Les Fuchs.

         
      • Lance Pearce

        August 12, 2015 at 10:42 PM

        tOlAnD,
        @ I see what you did there ;-)
        I SEE that you have an EYE problem with your RIGHT EYE! :-)

         
      • Henry

        August 12, 2015 at 11:40 PM

        I figured you would see it, ’cause you’re a quick-on-the-uptake kinda guy. Actually, I recalled when you amazed everyone by “diagnosing” the petulant childishness that responds to reverse psychology at the other forum, so I guessed it would instantly click as to who I meant here.

        Lol.

         
      • Toland

        August 14, 2015 at 8:22 PM

        Lol, Henry, I see that there are now 24 users of your browser addon that makes the ego-inflating games of the unfunny clown invisible. Well done ;-) It’s good though that the non du jour and timestamp of a clown comment are still visible, so we can warn the newcomers and keep them on board.

        I’m working on a boilerplate advisory (like the above) which can be pasted in any thread to explain the troll situation to others so they don’t abandon Al’s top-notch blog thinking its commenters are a bunch of pointless pinheads, when really it’s but a lone pointless pinhead using multiple usernames.

         
      • Henry

        August 14, 2015 at 11:58 PM

        Yeah, I left the self-inflating clown’s latest username and the timestamp visible. Only the body texts of comments by the self-inflating clown have to be blanked to clean up one’s experience of the blog.

        The original reason why the username and timestamp fields were left visible is the database uses them for tracking purposes. I’m glad you found them useful too.

         
      • Allen Curtis

        August 15, 2015 at 3:05 AM

        Lol, Henry, I see that there are now 24 users of your browser addon that makes the ego-inflating games of the unfunny clown invisible. Well done ;-)
        WELL DONE? ARE YOU SAYING YOU DONE COOKED YO GOOSE? :-) D

         
      • Allen Curtis

        August 15, 2015 at 3:22 AM

        Toland,
        @ so we can warn the newcomers and keep them on board.
        ABSOLUTELY!! THEY NEED TO BE WARNED! THEY APPARENTLY DON’T HAVE SENSE ENOUGH TO SEE WHAT YOU & YOURS SEE!! NEED TO KEEP THEM UP TO SNUFF!!
        @ I’m working on a boilerplate advisory (like the above) which can be pasted in any thread to explain the troll situation to others so they don’t abandon Al’s top-notch blog thinking its commenters are a bunch of pointless pinheads, when really it’s but a lone pointless pinhead using multiple usernames.
        DON’T BE INSULTING ANY READER OR POSTER’S INTELLIGENCE NOW!! Some of them may get WISE & THINK YOU ARE SAYING THEY DON’T HAVE SENSE ENOUGH TO SEE WHAT YOU & YOURS MUST MAKE THEM AWARE OF!! YOU JUST MIGHT RUN A FEW READERS & POSTERS OFF OF THIS TOP NOTCH BLOG!! WAIT A MINUTE!! I THOUGHT THIS IS AN AWESOME, UNIQUE, & OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY BLOG!! TOP NOTCH SEEMS TO BE A NOTCH SOMEWHAT UNDER THAT!! WHAT HAPPENED? OHhhhhhhh my! I hate to see what happens next. OHhhhhhhhhh THE DAMAGE THAT TROLLS CAN DO!! Well we will always have you. Better than having nothing although it’s a close call.

         
      • Allen Curtis

        August 15, 2015 at 3:44 AM

        tOlAnD,
        When I used only ONE username You & Yours never said I was deceiving anybody. You THEN said I AM THE HOG of this blog. SO, I started using different usernames to get away from the HOG stigma. Know what? I am inclined to believe you big 3 are either jealous, or, you do not want anybody commenting on this blog that can expose you for what you really are. YOU are the real DECEIVERS. Just lil ol me against you BIG 3. I should be ashamed of myself for railing against you BIG OL MAN ANIMALS. Shucks. I just can’t bring myself to do that. I just HATE to see people being led down the Garden Path.

         
      • Allen Curtis

        August 15, 2015 at 4:02 AM

        Toland,
        @ I figured you would see it, ’cause you’re a quick-on-the-uptake kinda guy.
        Thanks Toland, You do see some things correctly. After mulling it over, you & yours are really coming up with awesome, unique, & of the highest quality ideas. That Browser stopper is one of the best yet. BUT!!! WHEN ARE YA GONNA GET THE THANG WORKING?!?! Do something with that idea. An idea not put to use is not a good idea. Just a thought. As they say, CRAP OR GET OFF THE POT!!! :D

         
      • Toland

        August 15, 2015 at 4:39 PM

        Updating the advisory…

        Readers should know that “Allen Curtis” is another alias used by the same often-banned Les Fuchs who’s been telling lies, including deceptively posting under multiple usernames, at this blog for several years. So you can add “Allen Curtis” to “Mark Twang” and “Lance Pearce” as names to ignore in this thread.

        Newcomers, please don’t judge the quality of Al’s blog by the “contributions” of the unfunny clown “Mark Twang”, a.k.a. “Lance Pearce”, a.k.a. “Allen Curtis”, etc., though such guilt-by-association is a natural tendency. They are all the same troll Al has banned many times. Do yourself a favor and simply scroll past such comments without reading them. Better yet, get Henry’s browser addon which blocks all comments by Les Fuch (no matter what the nom du jour). These blank posts, with only a username and timestamp attached, make the comment areas fun again. You’ll find yourself clicking to read articles just to see the troll get gagged afterwards, LOL.

        PS: Henry’s browser addon now has 28 users. It’s picked up 4 since yesterday. Advertising works! Let’s all pitch in to help Al. Though we sometimes disagree, the internet is better off with blogs like this.

         
      • Toland

        August 16, 2015 at 3:01 AM

        Updating the advisory again…

        The usernames of Les Fuchs in this thread so far:

        “Mark Twang”
        “Lance Pearce”
        “Allen Curtis”
        “Ray O. Lite”

        …and there will probably be more.

         
      • Henry

        August 16, 2015 at 6:03 AM

        Lol, four usernames in a single thread must be close to a Les Fuchs record. The addon hasn’t been wrong yet (thanks to superb data support from WordPress). Your proof is to check the “comments” feed for this blog, where the familiar Les Fuchs conceit is on display. The text of each comment is blocked, but look at the names and timestamps. Of the 10 latest comments blog-wide, 9 are by “Ray O. Lite” in a mere 4-hour period.

         
      • Toland

        August 16, 2015 at 6:31 AM

        I see what you mean. What are the odds of “Ray O. Lite” being a different nut who happened to show up at this blog with the same high-volume, one-sided conversation style as the original nut Les Fuchs?

         
      • Mark Twang

        August 18, 2015 at 2:22 AM

        Mr.Toland,
        @ Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
        The punishment here announced is the temporal award. Christ here says nothing of the final judgment. BUT, This FINAL judgment IS mentioned in other places in the Bible. It is written in The Book of Daniel about the “time of the end”. You should get a clue that we are IN that END TIME TODAY! AT THIS VERY MOMENT. Look at how much knowledge has INCREASED in the last 125 years.From Horse & Buggy to supersonic Jets, Nuclear Bombs,etc.
        And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1 28-32

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        August 18, 2015 at 4:20 PM

        Toland,Henry,Roger,
        You animal baby boys love definitions so here is how GOADER is defined.A GOADER is someone who tries to annoy, provoke, make angry, bother, frustrate, irritate, antagonize, infuriate, or,drive someone mad.
        These are Christian traits, RIGHT?

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        August 24, 2015 at 12:16 AM

        tOlAnD,
        @ Observe how the deceivers rarely if ever attempt an argument from scripture alone.
        I OBSERVE HOW DECEIVERS LIKE YOU & HENRY & ROGER USE SCRIPTURES & SAY THEY MEAN WHAT THEY DO NOT MEAN. BUT!! AS ALL OF YOU MAN ANIMALS SAY, “ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE EYES TO SEE WILL SEE” ! I HAVE THE EYES TO SEE!! :-D :-) :-) :-D
        Something still is not working with your,Gag-a-Gimp, then again it looks like it has Gagged YOU!

         
      • Christian Gains

        August 29, 2015 at 2:45 PM

        ???? Bart Shavitz? SOMETHING is wrong here.

        I’m trying to respond up top, to Roger’s first post!?! That said, I’ll continue in reference to Roger’s VERY FIRST post…[Aug. 8,2015]…As I find it SUPERBLY significant.
        ————————————————– TO ROGER ——————————————————–

        Basically Roger, I suggest that you count into your analysis, of the “END TIMES” scenario: Zec.13:9 – 14:4;{and try viewing 13:9B, SPECIFICALLY in reference to Matt.23:37 – 39, [ESPLY. the declaration of verse 39]; They will NOT “SEE” Him until…”blessed be he that cometh in the NAME of the Lord”…which NAME do you suppose that might be? [hint: Rev. 19:11]

        Zec.13:9 – 14:4 is a description that can have nothing whatsoever to do with Titus’ destruction of Yeru-Salem, in 70 A.D., because of the SPECIFICITY of Zec. 14:6 – 9: “…And the Lord, [#3068 – note the following definition below]; shall be KING, [#4428 – from #4428 – prim.root;…and (Rev. 19:11 – 20:6)], over ALL the Earth: in THAT DAY, shall there be one LORD, [#3068, [please note>from #1961: hayah – haw-yaw; prim. root]; and His name one”.

        Thus — the ONE and ONLY King!

        If you read carefully, this (Zec. 13:9 thru 14:9) doesn’t occur until slightly B4 the events of Rev. 19:11 thru 20:6 description begins to occur.

        And, another point to note: The devastation that is poured out upon “Yeru-Salem”: [“City of Peace”, (original name:Gen. 14:18 – 20; & Heb.7:1 – 2)], — From Zec.13:8 thru 14:2. = 2/3rds. of ALL the population of “the land” of Ysra’el, thru “1/2 the city…” of Yeru-Salem!

        THEN, (and only AFTER then), shall Mechiach {the LORD #3068}-(Zec. 14: 3A)}, shall come to Earth, & defend Yeru-Salem,[Zec. 14: 4].

        Since the details of this description have not occurred as yet…therefore, this type of destruction must STILL be coming, to occur sometime in our future. And, when you add in the Rev. 19:11 thru 20:6 details, then the “END TIMES” period begins to take on dimensions, limits, and specific details that assist us in determining where, (along the “END TIME TIME LINE”) we probably are.

        BTW, this post is simply intended to give you “food for prayer”…not, by any matter of means a “thus sayeth the Lord”, carved in stone, absolute! But, I DO pray that it’s helpful.

         
      • Les Moore

        September 10, 2015 at 2:09 AM

        Toland,
        I cannot find a reply button on any of Roger’s messages, so please, if you will,, pass this message on to him.
        Roger,
        @ Jesus said “this generation” would answer for the blood of the prophets, and sure enough that’s what happened when the Roman legions under Titus destroyed “Babylon” in 70 AD.
        @ To your scriptural citation, notice how Jesus, in Matthew 23, says “all these things will come upon this generation”. Do you think the audience he was addressing considered this a reference to a time thousands of years in the future? Of course not.”

        Roger, my “spiritual perception” tells me “this generation” means the people who are alive when the following takes place. > And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the age? Jesus answers by saying, For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
        Roger, my spiritual perception tells me THIS GENERATION, MEANS, & IS WHEN ” GREAT TRIBULATION such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be IS HAPPENING!! THE GENERATION LIVING THEN.
        Matthew 24:3, & verses 21, & 22. Mark 13, & Luke 21 covers the Same subject matter.

         
  2. harrytapp

    August 6, 2015 at 9:56 AM

    I have done some study on eschatology and Islam’s involvement. While Roman Catholicism is a false religion instigated by the Edomite Pharisees designed to maintain control they had in Jerusalem and distort the gospel that Paul warned us about, it is nothing more than Roman paganism with a Christian mask.
    Islam however was a religion directly started by satan via one of his angels in the cave of Hira in 610 AD (Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111) and is of the Cain blood line through Ishmaels Egyptian mother Hagar. There is too much information to post but the pieces of the puzzle do fit…Who uses beheading as a preferred method of execution and has been persecuting/exterminating Christians/Hebrews/Jews™? On the temple mount (God’s real-estate) is an abomination that maketh desolate standing where “IT” ought not.
    The codex Vaticus “666” Greek text reveals that this same text is worn by orthodox Muslims on their arms and heads. (Bismallah) …
    http://theamazingliteralbiblebyboonedog.yolasite.com/resources/The%20Islamic%20End%20Time%20Beast%20and%20his%20mark.pdf

    Here is another great video on the subject by a former PLO Muslim terrorist (Walid Shoebat) studying both the Bible and of course Islamic texts able to speak Arabic and English…

    Walid Shoebat: WARNING TO MUSLIMS: Mystery Babylon the great!

     
    • Christian Gains

      August 6, 2015 at 1:22 PM

      Al, Harry & Walid have tapped into Historic reality that is EXTREMELY significant at this time in History. (I’ve studied Escatoloty, [Scriptural study of the end of things — aka “End Time Studies”], for well over 40+ years. In my studies, (incorporating Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic), I’ve come to realize that, as we approach closer to the “END TIMES”, (even IN the beginning of those times), we begin to realize that we MUST study Secular History CAREFULLY as well, so as to better understand the significance of the Geo-political, demographic changes that effect our understanding of the cyptic language of the Scriptures. Both Harry’s & Walid’s messages are worthy of study, as they bring out changes that have occurred in this modern time that bring the Scriptural picture into clearer focus, and give us a better vantage point of observation and better comprehension as to what the RECENT EVENTS mean, (in a Scriptural sense), and, as well, give us a broader view than possibly the Prophets before us could have…not to mention a better understanding as to the visions they had, and what they were likely seeing that they didn’t know how to explain, (accept from their own knowledge/experience base).

      Gotta go! But really DO pray that Harry’s and Walid’s insights help broaden your perspectives as to END TIMES EVENTS.

       
      • Bart Shavitz

        September 1, 2015 at 3:15 AM

        Christian Gains,
        You say to Roger, > BTW, this post is simply intended to give you “food for prayer”…not, by any matter of means a “thus sayeth the Lord”, carved in stone, absolute! But, I DO pray that it’s helpful.
        The Good LORD will not answer “that” prayer BECAUSE Henry, Roger, & Toland are here to fulfill an Agenda & your prayer is against, not in harmony with their agenda.”There IS also something working against your & my messages posting out of order, time wise, etc. BUT!! The Good LORD is allowing this for reasons only he knows.

         
      • Christian Gains

        September 1, 2015 at 10:02 AM

        Bart, thanks for your input, but, please be a bit more specific if you don’t mind. What “agenda” can they be fulfilling against my prayer, when I a state that I agree with MUCH of their (or, at LEAST Harry’s & Walid’s), conclusions, but simply feel that there’s a bit more specific detail that is needed? No argument meant here, just would appreciate a bit more clarification. Thanks Brother!

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        September 2, 2015 at 2:28 PM

        Christian Gains,
        @ Bart, thanks for your input, but, please be a bit more specific if you don’t mind. What “agenda” can they be fulfilling against my prayer, when I a state that I agree with MUCH of their (or, at LEAST Harry’s & Walid’s), conclusions, but simply feel that there’s a bit more specific detail that is needed?
        This IS as specific as I know how to get. Henry, Roger, & Toland, ARE NOT, harrytapp &/or Walid Shoebat. At least I do not think they are. As far as the videos go, I appreciate them. Roger, Henry Toland say this, > “And you (Roger) did so using only the texts of the actual Bible (which we’ll all agree is more authoritative than YouTube). This method of course is avoided like the plague by the liars, frauds, propagandist and similar “stumbling-blocks to the brethren” who prefer a pitch built on fancy graphics and scary music.” < I take this to mean the Videos that Alfred & harrytapp posted are posted as Roger, Henry, & Toland, say, from liars, frauds, propagandist and similar & used for“stumbling-blocks to the brethren” who prefer a pitch built on fancy graphics and scary music."
        I would think that Any ALREADY SAVED BORN AGAIN "Christian" will see it the same as Henry, Roger, & Toland.

         
  3. harrytapp

    August 6, 2015 at 9:59 AM

    Here is a detailed version directly from Walid himself…

     
  4. kanani

    August 6, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    There are some that say Islam was a creation of Rome to counter the followers of Jesus.

    Many of the Catholic/Muslim tenets are exactly the same, the Koran may have been written in Rome & Mohammed was married to a rich lady (20 yrs his senior) from a Catholic convent.

    Makes you wonder.

     
    • Lance Pearce

      August 12, 2015 at 9:01 PM

      kanani,
      @ There are some that say Islam was a creation of Rome to counter the followers of Jesus.
      Satan counterfeits his counterfeits. D

       
  5. Tony

    August 6, 2015 at 10:56 AM

    Hi Al,

    If isolating to “Whore of Babylon” rather than just Babylon, I think most folks who dabble in biblical prophecy recognize woman as symbolic of church and whore as symbolic of an apostate church.

    I do believe one application of Whore of Babylon is the Vatican system, but there is another incarnation that I find impossible to deny.

    There was a literal church in literal Babylon. It was quite apostate, having scribed the Babylonian Talmud, likely the most evil and filthy alleged inspired written record ever written. The spiritual descendants of these folks crucified Christ and they knew what that meant. It meant to be considered cursed of God.

    They wanted perfect holiness (love) cursed of God.

    Jesus referred to these folks as sons of the devil. Revelation refers to the synagogue of Satan.

    The following is strong, however…

    The extent to which I see Judaism overlooked is positively astounding.

    These people essentially run the entire world’s money system. I believe they were behind both world wars. They run the world’s porn industry. They controlled the opium trade. Talmudism believes the goy (that would include you and I) have only one purpose – to serve them. And they believe the goy are more inferior to them than is cattle to the goy. They were behind Bolshevism which killed upwards of 50 million people. A reading of Uri Lina’s Under The Sign of The Scorpion, about the Russian Revolution, is a must read, in my opinion. The cruelty beyond measure.

    Paul said a real Jew is one who is one inwardly and so many folks seem to transgress simple biblical interpretation by THIS TIME getting all literal and insisting the literal Jews are God’s chosen.

    It is sick. To call horrific evil something good and far be it from anyone to point the biblical finger at them.

    Blessings,

    Tony

     
    • Lance Pearce

      August 11, 2015 at 12:37 AM

      Tony,
      @ The extent to which I see Judaism overlooked is positively astounding.
      What do you call “Judaism”? Were the money changers Yahshua beat the living hell out of Jews? Yahshua/Jesus WAS a JEW. From the FAMILY OF JUDAH PRONOUNCED JEW-DUH. Yahshua WAS a JUDEAN,

       
    • Lance Pearce

      August 11, 2015 at 1:00 AM

      Tony,
      Let me be specific I will NEVER EVER KNOWINGLY DECEIVE OR TRY TO MISLEAD ANYONE.
      Generally speaking, a Jew is a person named after his/her religion called Jew-ism or Jew-dah-ism, as a Christian is named after his/her religion called Christianity. The word Jew is not found in the Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek texts of the Sacred Scriptures, but in many English Bibles the word Jew has become associated with a rendering of the Latin word Judaeus, which was a translation of the Greek word Ioudaios, the Aramaic word Yahudain, and the Hebrew word Yahudah. Although not found in either the Hebrew, Aramaic or the Greek Scriptures, the word Jew is an incorrect English rendering most often translated from the Latin word Judaeus, a Latin translation of the Hebrew word Yahudah. As translated, it is referring to one of the tribes of Israel (Yisrael) named after one of the 12 sons of Jacob. The word Jews, the plural of the word Jew, is incorrectly translated most often from the word Hebrew Yahudi, descendants of the tribe named after Yahudah. It must be noted, that the letter ‘J’ was not in general use until after the 16th century as is now used in many English Bibles to form the incorrect Biblical word ‘Jew.’ In some English Bibles we have received from the translators, the word Juda. This is also an error in translation because the word derives from the Greek Iudaios, which in the English would be Judaios. Judaios was none other then a Greek pagan diety (see W.H. Roscher’s lexicon of mythology).
      Note: As examples, the following words have been “transliterated” from the Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek, that is, the letters forming the original word have been place into English letters, so when pronounced in the English, the word will closely represent the sound of the original word as found in the language of the Sacred Scriptures.

      And is there a “Jew” who doesn’t know (or at least feel pride upon learning) that Sandy Koufax declined to pitch in a World Series game that fell on Yom Kippur?

       
  6. sovranity

    August 6, 2015 at 11:16 AM

    I have heard this before but it did not occur to me that the whole mess has really been about the entire 7 cities representing the Babylonian empire is about taking down the entire world. Netanayu is the mediator for Israel to bring Syria down but Turkey certainly seems to be the seat. I don’t believe in any religious order any more like a used to and I want to remain neutral because there should have been no religions at all but the old testament taught us many things to watch out for. It is scary times but the truth shall prevail and all of us that directs our energy to knowing ourselves to be the gods and goddesses that we are will truly find there home on the other side. I also believe that the anti-christ or false god will rise before it is all over but it will mostly be the evil that has been installed into those who practice that religion. The US will fall because the leaders allowed themselves to succumb to this false god through greed and power. There is something coming where financial businesses and leaders are moving away from NY sometime this fall. They will blame it on Mouslams and Christians if they can pull it off, but there are 6 billions ET’s waiting to clean up this whole mess and then the earth will rise to it’s new place in the heavens once all the arrests have been made. There is so much to encounter and we are not supposed to be afraid but keep the faith that all will be well. My daughter is in love with a fellow from Morocco and we re afraid for her. Much evil lies there. ruth

    Namaste, we are The ONE we have been waiting for!! Ruth

    *Intending a ONEderful Magnificent LOVing Day….Always Be, Think, Talk, Act in a Loving/ Positive Way!*

    This is a brave new world we’re living in, as so much has been hidden from us. it is time to CHOOSE what we believe, and to cease going to others for direction.

     
  7. Mark Twang

    August 6, 2015 at 12:13 PM

    Tony
    @ “Paul said a real Jew is one who is one inwardly……………………………………”
    What does “inwardly” mean? Yahshua/Jesus must have been “one inwardly”. Remember “The King of The Jews” scripture? BUT!! Being a “Jew” in & of itself means zilch. Yahshua also told some “other Jews” you are of your Father Satan & he told them WHY they were, even tho they were also the offspring of Abraham. John 8:33, They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed. Yahshua/Jesus said, I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. Yahshua continues, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. SOooooo being the physical offspring of Abraham is one thing. Yahshua/Jesus WAS the ALSO the offspring of Abraham, through the lineage of Mary, his Mother.The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Matthew1:1. His lineage is traced back to JUDAH, a Son of Israel. BUT!!! Israel also had 11 other Sons, ALL Sons of Israel, but only one Son, JUDAH, translated as such in English, i.e., Judah. Greek word for Judah is, Ioudas. In, Hebrew, Yehudah. Our Forefathers, e.g., Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, WERE ISRAELITES, BUT!! they were not Jews, who are ALSO Israelites. PROOF AVAILABLE!! Anyway, our fate is SEALED & whoever disagrees is BLIND & has a HEART OF STONE!!!

     
    • Tony

      August 6, 2015 at 7:07 PM

      Hi Mark,

      Inwardly refers to character, of course.

       
      • Mark Twang

        August 6, 2015 at 11:01 PM

        Hi Tony
        @ Inwardly refers to character, of course.
        “In the name of” does too. When we pray, our prayer is either” in the name of”, or it is not. Then again, maybe part of our prayer IS “in the name of”, & part of it isn’t. I always say, Father if I have asked for anything amiss, please forgive me for being stupid &/or ignorant. Somebody said, be careful of what you ask for because you may very well get it. Sometimes we ask for something & we get it but after we get it, we then wish we had not asked for it. Know what I mean? Sometimes things are not what we thought they were, or, appeared to be. I see some people insert scriptures & I know enough about them to know those scriptures are only inserted for mockery purposes. Have you ever noticed this?

         
    • Ray O. Lite

      August 16, 2015 at 12:58 AM

      Mark Twang
      August 9, 2015 at 9:43 PM
      You like to lead people into checking out Bunny Trails I SEE, i.e., e.g., Bunny Rabbit trails go here, there, and everywhere, and pretty much tend to lead nowhere.Trolls thrive on leading people astray this way.

       
  8. Mark Twang

    August 6, 2015 at 1:10 PM

    Does anybody see the similiarity/connection between “The Tower of Babel” “The Twin Towers” & NOW the so called “Freedom Tower”? It is written in Isaiah 9:8, The Lord has spoken out against Jacob; his judgment has fallen upon Israel. 9 And the people of Israel and Samaria, who spoke with such pride and arrogance, will soon know it. 10 They said, “We will replace the broken bricks of our ruins with finished stone, and replant the felled sycamore-fig trees with cedars.” 11 But the LORD will bring Rezin’s enemies against Israel and stir up all their foes. 12 The Syrians from the east and the Philistines from the west will bare their fangs and devour Israel. But even then the LORD’s anger will not be satisfied.
    His fist is still poised to strike. 13 For after all this punishment, the people will still not repent. They will not seek the LORD of Heaven’s Armies.

    “We rebuild. We come back stronger!”
    Our beloved “Commander & Chief” said, “We rebuild. We come back stronger!” The handwritten message Barack Obama scrawled on a new building site at Ground Zero last night sounds optimistic, upbeat, non-controversial – at first glance.
    However, the message continues a pattern of American leaders fulfilling an ancient biblical prophecy and a curse of judgment on the U.S.,…………………………………………………
    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/obama-fulfills-isaiah-910-prophecy-again/#t9FhO0wMq3U6hkkO.99

     
  9. Roger

    August 6, 2015 at 4:37 PM

    One thing we can be sure of concerning end times Babylon is that it’s a city. Namely, the “great city” where Jesus and the prophets were killed:

    Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

    Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

    Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

    Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

    Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

    Revelation 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

    Revelation 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

    Revelation 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

    Also:

    Revelation 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

    Later in the same chapter, verse 18 clarifies who this woman is. “And the woman which thou sawest is that great city…” which can only be one city:

    Luke 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

    Something else we can be sure of is that the main narrative of Revelation concerns events that were then in the near future. Revelation makes this clear no less than four times: twice each at the beginning and end of the book.

    Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

    Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

    Revelation 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

    Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

     
    • Mark Twang

      August 6, 2015 at 11:10 PM

      Roger,
      @ Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
      Roger what in your opinion does this mean,”for the time is at hand”?

       
    • Mark Twang

      August 6, 2015 at 11:23 PM

      Roger,
      @ Revelation 11:8 the great city; and all the other bible scriptures mentioning, that “great City.”
      Sure Roger, where is the “Dome of the Rock” located.

      Dome of the Rock History | Dome of the Rock
      Originally a mashhad, a shrine for pilgrims, the Dome of the Rock was
      commissioned for not only religious but also political purposes. Chaliph Abd El-
      Malik …
      http://domeoftherock.net/dome-of-the-rock-history/

       
    • Henry

      August 6, 2015 at 11:40 PM

      I like it, Roger. Your post answers “what” and also “when” in regards to end times Babylon.

      And you did so using only the texts of the actual Bible (which we’ll all agree is more authoritative than YouTube). This method of course is avoided like the plague by the liars, frauds, propagandist and similar “stumbling-blocks to the brethren” who prefer a pitch built on fancy graphics and scary music.

       
      • Mark Twang

        August 7, 2015 at 3:00 AM

        Henry,
        You say to your Bird of a feather co-hort/heart, Roger, I like it, Roger. Your post answers “what” and also “when” in regards to end times Babylon.
        Well Henry it’s been almost 2,000 years since the words, things which must shortly come to pass; for the time is at hand; things which must shortly be done,were written, SOooooo what happened? Think it might have something to do with 1,000 years IS as a day to the Good LORD? If somebody says I will call you within 2 days that’s not a long time to wait, is it?

         
      • Mark Twang

        August 7, 2015 at 3:19 AM

        Henry,
        You say to your brother Roger, > And you did so using only the texts of the actual Bible (which we’ll all agree is more authoritative than YouTube). This method of course is avoided like the plague by the liars, frauds, propagandist and similar “stumbling-blocks to the brethren” who prefer a pitch built on fancy graphics and scary music.
        LIKE WHAT Henry? Give just one example of what you are saying. BE SPECIFIC!!!

         
      • Roger

        August 7, 2015 at 4:07 AM

        Thanks, Henry. It’s funny to watch the mental gymnastics whereby practiced liars take the phrases “must shortly come to pass”, ” the time is at hand”, “must shortly be done”, etc., etc. – all prophesied to the 1st-century church – and try to apply them to events that are supposedly still in the future as of the 21st century. Funny, that is, until you consider the consequences of the fraud being perpetrated for a political agenda.

        Those liars who are hustling a more intelligent audience realize how untenable their pitch is in light of the many such phrases in scripture and therefore don’t even attempt the mental gymnastics. Instead, when caught, they play the “as if” game in which they pretend the inconvenient scriptures, and your citations of them, never existed.

         
      • Henry

        August 7, 2015 at 5:52 AM

        That’s an affirmative. There indeed be those who misrepresent scripture. But deceivers reveal themselves to those with eyes to see.

        In the present case, the perpetrators gloss over the huge misunderstanding which language like “must shortly come to pass”, “the time is at hand” and “must shortly be done” would have caused the church of the first century AD, to whom John’s apocalyptic letter was directly addressed, if the prophetic events of Revelation were supposed to commence millennia in their future.

        – –

        Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

        The deceivers wish us to believe that this instruction to John was premised on events then two thousand years in the future being considered “at hand”.

        If the fraud wasn’t so damaging, I’d laugh.

         
      • Mark Twang

        August 7, 2015 at 12:25 PM

        Henry,
        Both You & Roger continue to avoid & evade what I ask. It appears you both plant seeds that since “these things which must shortly come to pass have not happened 2,000 years later, then it’s at best at least strong evidence that what is written in the Bible is well let’s say “suspicious”. I asked Roger, what in your opinion does this mean,”for the time is at hand”? I have yet to receive an answer. I asked you what you meant by saying what Roger posted is more authoritative than YouTube, & what you meant by saying the “METHOD” Roger used is more authoritative than, you tube. I asked you to give an example of this “you tube” being used that was not so good authority, but you have not done this.You say Roger’s method is avoided like the plague by the liars, frauds, propagandist and similar “stumbling-blocks to the brethren” who prefer a pitch built on fancy graphics and scary music. I asked for just ONE example of this, but, you will not give an example

        Henry since you have implied I am a liar, a fraud, a propagandist and use “stumbling-blocks to the brethren” who prefer a pitch built on fancy graphics and scary music, I will say this, since you refuse to answer my questions. It is my believe that “God” has a time frame. One 24 hour day to us, is 1,000 years to “God”. One day is really not a long time considering the days we have been alive. The ENTIRE overall plan “God” has for the purpose of his creation of MAN, is ONE WEEK. How many weeks have we been here? Anyway, since BOTH of you refuse to answer my questions so I may get & have a clear understanding of what you are really saying, I’ll say this as to “TIME”.

        Things which must shortly come to pass – Not all the things that will occur, but such as it was deemed of importance for his people to be made acquainted with. Nor is it certainly implied that all the things that are communicated would shortly come to pass, or would soon occur. Some of them might perhaps he in the distant future, and still it might be true that there were those which were revealed in connection with them, which soon would occur. The word rendered “things” (ἅ ha) is a pronoun, and might be rendered “what”; “he showed to his servants what things were about to occur,” not implying that he showed all the things that would happen, but such as he judged to be needful that his people should know. The word would naturally embrace those things which, in the circumstances, were most desirable to be known. The phrase rendered “must come to pass” (δεῖ γενέσθαι dei genesthai), would imply more than mere futurity; The word used (δεῖ dei) means “it needs, there is need of,” and implies that there is some kind of necessity that the event should occur.

         
      • Roger

        August 7, 2015 at 1:19 PM

        > If the fraud wasn’t so damaging, I’d laugh.

        Maybe it’s better to laugh anyway, as one laughs at all devils. Peter and the other Apostles laughed in the last days, which they, like the author of Revelation, understood to be in their own time.

        Acts 2:14-21 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. These men are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: ” ‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. I will show wonders in the heaven above and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and billows of smoke. The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord. And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ ”

        But liars gonna lie and tap dance and flee the truth.

         
      • Mark Twang

        August 7, 2015 at 1:49 PM

        Henry,
        @ The deceivers wish us to believe that this instruction to John was premised on events then two thousand years in the future being considered “at hand”.If the fraud wasn’t so damaging, I’d laugh.

        Really? Well laugh at this

        2nd Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
        But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

        Re: For the time is at hand, Well on the other hand, Roger & Henry, this mens the things spoken of are soon to commence. It is not implied that they would be soon completed. The idea is, that as the scenes of persecution were soon to open upon the church, it was important that the church should have access to these prophecies of the final triumph of religion, to sustain it in its trials. See also, Revelation 1:1, Revelation 1:3.

         
      • Henry

        August 7, 2015 at 2:58 PM

        Good cite. Peter clearly states he is living in the “last days”.

        Peter then quotes Joel to clarify that by “last days” he means what we think he means: the imminence of “the day of the Lord” which Zechariah prophesied to occur at the destruction of Jerusalem.

        Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2)

        This destruction, by the pan-national Roman legions, was indeed imminent in Peter’s time, as it happened in 70 AD.

        So we see that John the Revelator was right when he wrote concerning the “prophecy of this book” (his own book), “the time is at hand”.

         
      • Mark Twang

        August 7, 2015 at 3:44 PM

        Henry,
        Good cite. Peter clearly states he is living in the “last days”.
        Great perception there Henry. Today could very well be your & my last day too. It IS written that “our” time is always at hand, meaning, we could die today. It may have something to do with something we do or neglect to do. Also remember, if you “Cain”, Abraham died without receiving the “promise”. Does this prove or make “God” out to be liar too?

         
      • Roger

        August 7, 2015 at 4:38 PM

        > Peter clearly states he is living in the “last days”.

        Jesus agreed.

        Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch…. 5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

        This prophesied “Elijah” of course refers to John the Baptist, which Jesus himself confirmed:

        Matthew 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come.

        So, according to Jesus (here and elsewhere), the day of the Lord was indeed “at hand” (as the Revelator phrased it) in those times.

         
      • Henry

        August 7, 2015 at 5:57 PM

        Notice how Jesus phrases his testimony stating John the Baptist was the prophesied Elijah in a way that simultaneously sets the timing of the “day of the Lord” which the prophet Malachi linked with Elijah’s appearance.

        Matthew 11:11-15 I tell you the truth, of all who have ever lived, none is greater than John the Baptist. Yet even the least person in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he is! And from the time John the Baptist began preaching until now, the Kingdom of Heaven has been forcefully advancing and violent people are attacking it. For before John came, all the prophets and the law of Moses looked forward to this present time. And if you are willing to accept what I say, he is Elijah, the one the prophets said would come. Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand!

         
      • Mark Twang

        August 7, 2015 at 7:37 PM

        hEnRy,
        @ That’s an affirmative. There indeed be those who misrepresent scripture. But deceivers reveal themselves to those with eyes to see.
        YES INDEED!! YOU GOT THAT 100% CORRECT!!

         
      • Mark Twang

        August 7, 2015 at 7:49 PM

        Henry,
        @ all the prophets and the law of Moses looked forward to this present time.

        What IS this LAW OF MOSES!! ?? You do not study like the Bereans did? Translations do have errors ya know, well no I guess you don’t. We do have the Law of “God” given by “God” TO Moses to proclaim to Israel. I can write what you tell me too BUT, this does not make me the AUTHOR. There IS NO LAW OF MOSES!! IF YOU DISAGREE THEN YOU ARE SAYING MOSES IS “God”. As I said before, keep up the good work

         
      • Mark Twang

        August 7, 2015 at 9:28 PM

        Henry,
        @ I like it, Roger.
        Absolutely. Birds of a feather do like & protect each other. It’s always been this way. WE have seen enough to know where we are not needed or wanted.

         
      • Roger

        August 8, 2015 at 1:48 AM

        Well done, Henry. Excellent find.

        There we have it from Jesus himself: John the Baptist was the Elijah prophesied by Malachi to immediately precede the “day of the Lord” (Matthew 11).

        And we’ve already seen where Peter tells of the imminence, in his own time, of the “day of the Lord” prophesied by Joel (Acts 2).

        I happen upon a page of commentaries on the verse in Matthew 11 you bolded. Some of them could be useful.

        Barnes’ Notes on the Whole Bible: “It is meant by this verse that John introduced a new dispensation; and that the old one, under which the prophets and the law of Moses were the guide, was closed when he preached that the kingdom of heaven was at hand. By the ‘law’ is meant here the five books of Moses; by the prophets, the remainder of the books of the Old Testament.”

        The Fourfold Gospel: “The Old Testament was the work of a long series of prophets, and this series was closed by John the Baptist. But John differed from all the others in the series; for they prophesied concerning the kingdom, while John turned from their course to preach that the kingdom was at hand, and thereby incidentally brought upon it the assaults of violence.”

        Burkitt’s Commentary: “The law and the prophets till the coming of John, did foretell the Messiah, but not so determinately, not so nearly, not so clearly as John did: and accordingly, he was that Elias which Isaiah and Malachi foretold should be the harbinger and forerunner of Christ. But why hath John the Baptist the name of Elias? Possibly because they were alike zealous in the work of God; they were alike successful in that work, and they were alike persecuted for their work: the one by Jezebel, the other by Herodias.”

        Liars gonna lie anyway of course, but you just made their mental gymnastics a more difficult or their hiding place more deep.

         
      • Lance Pearce

        August 11, 2015 at 4:45 AM

        Henry,
        The link you posted says this in pertinent part
        The one being manipulated is usually unaware of what is really going on.
        THAT’S RIGHT!! BUT I AM NOT HERE TO MANIPULATE!! I KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES OF DOING SUCH A THING!! YOU BIG 3 APPARENTLY DON’T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY! I DO!! YOU KNEW YOU COULD NOT MANIPULATE ME SO WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO MANIPULATE? ARE PEOPLE REALLY THAT DENSE? GUESS SO OR THEY JUST DON’T GIVE A DAMN!! THEY WILL GIVE A DAMN & SO WILL YOU 3 BIG BOYS, excuse MEEEE! ANIMAL MEN

         
      • Lance Pearce

        August 12, 2015 at 9:12 PM

        Henry,
        You say to Roger, “And you did so using only the texts of the actual Bible (which we’ll all agree is more authoritative than YouTube).
        Not a thing new there Henry. Satan tried the same tactic on Yahshua/Jesus. Luke Chapter 4 verses 1 through 8 explains this. You & yours neglect to use some OTHER, IT IS ALSO WRITTEN SCRIPTURES? Why dat? You know I just have no idea WHY! :-) D

         
      • Mark Twang

        August 13, 2015 at 3:51 PM

        hEnRY
        @ I figured you would see it, ’cause you’re a quick-on-the-uptake kinda guy. Actually, I recalled when you amazed everyone by “diagnosing” the petulant childishness that responds to reverse psychology at the other forum, so I guessed it would instantly click as to who I meant here.

        Lol.
        HEnrY, One of WE/US posted a response to yo LOL. The “Moderator” would not allow the message to be a “part of the Record” LOL LOL LOL !! :-) D

         
      • Mark Twang

        August 14, 2015 at 3:06 PM

        HeNry,
        @ I figured you would see it, ’cause you’re a quick-on-the-uptake kinda guy. Actually, I recalled when you amazed everyone by “diagnosing” the petulant childishness that responds to reverse psychology at the other forum, so I guessed it would instantly click as to who I meant here.
        Lol.

        LOL LOL LOL!!! 1st Corinthians 13:1 And if YOU have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and have all knowledge, and if YOU have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but YOU have not love, YOU are nothing. 3 If YOU give away all YOU have, and if YOU deliver up YOUR body to be burned, but have not love, YOU GAIN NOTHING!! < SAME THING APPLIES TO ME!! Pilate asked, what is truth? I ask YOU & YOURS, what IS LOVE OHhhhhh SOoooo high & mighty, haughty,supremely intelligent ones?

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        August 18, 2015 at 4:37 PM

        Henry,Roger,Toland,
        You mock, slander,& ridicule. Romans 1 28, Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        August 24, 2015 at 6:00 AM

        hENry,
        @ all the prophets and the law of Moses looked forward to this present time.
        Once again WHERE did Moses GET this “LAW OF MOSES”? DO YOU EVER RESEARCH ANYTHING IN THE Holy Bible TO SEE IF THE TRANSLATION IS CORRECT? NO YOU DO NOT! HOW DO I KNOW THIS? SIMPLE!! YOU ARE NOT A DUMMY BY ANY MEANS! SO I KNOW THAT IF YOU DID STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELVES PLEASING IN THE HEART, EYES, & MIND OF “God” YOU WOULD KNOW THERE IS NOT ANY “LAW OF MOSES”!! BUT HERE IS SOMETHING YOU MAY NOT KNOW!! Yahshua aka Jesus IS the BEING that proclaimed HIS Father’s LAW TO MOSES! SEE IF YOU DO HAVE THE SENSE TO GRASP THIS!!! Yahshua/Jesus SAID,Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:56-57-58! ALSO,

        “Jesus” SAID, in Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the five Books WRITTEN BY Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning ME. 45 Then opened he their mind, that they might understand the scriptures; < YOU CLANGING CYMBAL GONG BONGERS DO NOT HAVE AN OPEN MIND TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH OF "God's" TRUTH ! YOU UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE LIKE YO DADDY SATAN INSPIRES YOU TO UNDERSTAND!!

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        September 3, 2015 at 10:06 PM

        hEnRy,
        @ And you (Roger) did so using only the texts of the actual Bible (which we’ll all agree is more authoritative than YouTube)
        Please name ONE, just ONE YouTube video you are referring to or as YOU SAY, STFU!

         
    • Mark Twang

      August 7, 2015 at 3:53 PM

      Roger,
      @ Thanks, Henry. It’s funny to watch the mental gymnastics whereby practiced liars take the phrases “must shortly come to pass”, ” the time is at hand”, “must shortly be done”, etc., etc.

      HAHHAHhahahahahahHAHHAHhahahahah!! Tell me about it!! HAHhahhaha! Yes it is funny!
      I really do get a kick outta you guys!! HahHahhahahahaha. U funny alright ! HAHHAHhahahaha!
      I love to laugh!! HAHHAHhahahahahahaHAHHAHhahahah KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK FELLAS!

       
    • Mark Twang

      August 7, 2015 at 5:03 PM

      Roger,
      @ This prophesied “Elijah” of course refers to John the Baptist, which Jesus himself confirmed:
      Yes & it also means someone else will come AS AS AS Elijah DID, AND, after John The Baptist.
      @ Malachi 4:1. This DAY OF THE LORD IS YET FUTURE, but, it is AT HAND, meaning NEARER NOW THAN EVER BEFORE!

       
    • Mark Twang

      August 9, 2015 at 10:20 PM

      Roger,
      @ Thanks for chiming in, Toland. While it can seem an uphill battle against the works of the devil, the ultimate winners have God’s word on their side.
      Roger,I believe you are right. It is also written in Zechariah 14:3, Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.” KJV
      To the best of my knowledge, The Mount of Olives HAS NOT split apart YET. Where is that GREAT VALLEY? Of course you will say, IT MUST HAVE SPLIT APART. This is the ONLY way your theory will hold water, pass muster, ring true.
      Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. NIV.
      Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. ESV.
      Also, I do not believe Yahshua/Jesus HAS RETURNED. According to Zechariah Chapter 14, there are a few more things that will take place & they are not taking place NOW, not today anyway.

       
    • Mark Twang

      August 10, 2015 at 3:54 AM

      Roger,
      @ THE GREAT CITY!!!
      the great city—eight times in the Revelation elsewhere used of BABYLON (Re 14:8; 16:19; 17:18; 18:10, 16, 18, 19, 21). In Re 21:10 (English Version as to the new Jerusalem), the oldest manuscripts omit “the great” before city, so that it forms no exception. It must, therefore, have an anticipatory reference to the mystical Babylon.

      which—Greek, “the which,” namely, “the city which.”

      spiritually—in a spiritual sense.

      Sodom—The very term applied by Isa 1:10 to apostate Jerusalem (compare Eze 16:48).

      Egypt—the nation which the Jews’ besetting sin was to lean upon.

      where … Lord was crucified—This identifies the city as Jerusalem, though the Lord was crucified outside of the city. Eusebius mentions that the scene of Christ’s crucifixion was enclosed within the city by Constantine; so it will be probably at the time of the slaying of the witnesses. “The beast [for example, Napoleon and France’s efforts] has been long struggling for a footing in Palestine; after his ascent from the bottomless pit he struggles much more” [Bengel]. Some one of the Napoleonic dynasty may obtain that footing, and even be regarded as Messiah by the Jews, in virtue of his restoring them to their own land; and so may prove to be the last Antichrist. The difficulty is, how can Jerusalem be called “the great city,” that is, Babylon? By her becoming the world’s capital of idolatrous apostasy, such as Babylon originally was, and then Rome has been; just as she is here called also “Sodom and Egypt.”

      also our—A, B, C, Origen, Andreas, and others read, “also their.” Where their Lord, also, as well as they, was slain. Compare Re 18:24, where the blood of ALL slain on earth is said to be found IN Babylon, just as in Mt 23:35, Jesus saith that, “upon the Jews and Jerusalem” (Compare Mt 23:37, 38) shall “come ALL the righteous blood shed upon earth”; whence it follows Jerusalem shall be the last capital of the world apostasy, and so receive the last and worst visitation of all the judgments ever inflicted on the apostate world, the earnest of which was given in the Roman destruction of Jerusalem. In the wider sense, in the Church-historical period, the Church being the sanctuary, all outside of it is the world, the great city, wherein all the martyrdoms of saints have taken place. Babylon marks its idolatry, Egypt its tyranny, Sodom its desperate corruption, Jerusalem its pretensions to sanctity on the ground of spiritual privileges, while all the while it is the murderer of Christ in the person of His members. All which is true of Rome. So Vitringa. But in the more definite sense, Jerusalem is regarded, even in Hebrews (Heb 13:12-14), as the world city which believers were then to go forth from, in order to “seek one to come.”

       
    • Lance Pearce

      August 10, 2015 at 11:42 PM

      Roger,
      @ We see through their shoddy phantasmagoria, of course.
      I am not smart enough to even remotely know what shoddy phantasmagoria means, BUT!!
      In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.Luke 10:21.
      I am also familiar with this scripture & I do know what it means. Luke 16:8, “The master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted shrewdly. For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light.

       
      • Adask

        August 11, 2015 at 3:41 AM

        “Shoddy phantasmagoria” is the Old Irish name of an ancient stew made with horse meat and seasoned with a couple of horse shoes with which the horse had been shod. History tells us that the recipe is attributed to Mother McCree.

         
    • Lance Pearce

      August 11, 2015 at 12:13 AM

      Roger,
      @ But liars gonna lie and tap dance and flee the truth.
      I agree 100% !!! Also, Deceivers will continue to deceive while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2nd Timothy 3:13. People will make up their own minds. BUT!! I believe most people will SEE it the way YOU & Henry & Toland do. No surprise!

       
    • Lance Pearce

      August 11, 2015 at 1:18 AM

      Roger,
      @ Instead, when caught, they play the “as if” game in which they pretend the inconvenient scriptures, and your citations of them, never existed.
      What kind of GAME is it you & your BROTHERS are playing when you make statements & are asked questions about your statements & you do not ANSWER those confusing statements you make? What kind of GAME IS THAT?

       
      • Adask

        August 11, 2015 at 3:43 AM

        It’s the kind of game that could not be licensed by the Nevada Gaming Commission.

         
    • Lance Pearce

      August 11, 2015 at 2:33 AM

      Roger,
      @ Those liars who are hustling a more intelligent audience realize how untenable their pitch is in light of the many such phrases in scripture and therefore don’t even attempt the mental gymnastics. Instead, when caught, they play the “as if” game in which they pretend the inconvenient scriptures, and your citations of them, never existed.”
      Yes indeed and it looks like you guys will never learn to stop doing just what you said. I must admit you are really brazen. BUT!! As you also said, WHO has the eyes to SEE. Now gimme a hearty belly laugh!! I hear well too!! BUT, I do have my off days. You & yours are just like a CRAB! Always on the BALL!!

       
    • kanani

      August 11, 2015 at 10:43 PM

      “And the great city was divided into three parts”…
      Vatican City(spiritual),
      City of London Corporation(financial), Washington D.C(military).

      Empire of the city guys. Just look at the symbols they use. Espcecially those giant penises, oops I meant obelisks.

      Slave on

       
      • Lance Pearce

        August 12, 2015 at 1:20 AM

        kanani,
        @ Espcecially those giant penises, oops I meant obelisks.
        You’re right, without the oops !! So are Church Steeples. The women who wept for Tammuz had it “ERECTED” in memory of him. There was a “church building” in Nashville Tenn. that had a “well hung” Steeple. Due to some rezoning, etc. The building was condemened blah blah blah. Anyway a Petition from many people asked the City Fathers to PLEASE leave the Steeple as is, erected. I forget the reason now, of why this was requested & I do not remember if the petition request was granted. BUT!! I thought it interesting that the Steeple was important. :-) D

         
      • Mark Twang

        August 13, 2015 at 4:13 PM

        kanani,
        Re; Church Steeples. The women who wept for “Tammuz” had a building built & that “steeple erected” to have a place to go to to worship him. In the book, the Two Babylons The Author says the a group of men castrated & cut off Tammuz’s “TOOL” before they annihilated him completely. It is also written, “they stick the “BRANCH” up to my Nose meaning this is what “God” said about the erected steeple those women who wept for Tammuz built. Remember some steeples have two “BELLS” inside at the lower end of the “steeple” & one “bell” is a little lower hanging than the other “bell.”
        STEEPLE
        There’s a legend about a Church in our town
        The steeple so high had seen for miles around
        Look on the hill and you’ll realize
        The steeple’s too big for the Churches size

        It seems it was a long time ago when this church had no steeple
        Just four walls and the roof overhead sheltered the humble people
        But the money was short ’cause the times were bad
        They had to get along on what they had
        Just good simple people praying for a steeple

        About this time when spring was near
        A man of wreath and his sweetheart dear
        Made their plans for the bells to ring
        They would wed on the first of spring

        So this man of wealth and his true love dear named the wedding hours
        They would wed in the little Church the one that had no towers
        But he was a kind and generous man he told his true love of his plan
        I’ll build a steeple for these good people

        Yes they’ll have their steeple
        The bells there will ring
        They’ll ring for our wedding
        On the first day of spring

        But they say death comes like a thief
        And soon his heart was filled with grief
        One week before the wedding day
        He learned his love had passed away

        In spite of his grief and broken heart he kept the promise given
        I’ll build the steeple so my love can hear the bells in Heaven
        And then he built the steeple ground the tallest one in all the land
        That’s how the people got their steeple

        Well that is the reason
        The steeple is so high
        And why the bells ring louder
        When springtime is night

        YEAH RIGHT!! RING DEM “BELLS””

         
    • Lance Pearce

      August 12, 2015 at 7:32 PM

      rOgEr,
      @ And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ ”
      ok the way YOU & “YOURS” think, this means all we need to do is make sure we know how to spell & pronounce the NAME of the “LORD” and we can raise all the “CAIN” we want too EVERYDAY & all we have to do is pronounce his NAME right & this covers anything that we do that is considered violating the Law(s) of, “God”. aka, The LORD. The truth IS, calling on the name of the LORD IS OBEYING The LORD. How can we obey The LORD IF we don’t know what it IS we should obey? The LORD IS MY Father!!!! I should RESPECT & HONOR & OBEY MY Father!! Calling him by his NAME won’t GET IT!!!! GET THAT?? WELL DO YA OR DOANCHA?!?

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 22, 2015 at 8:15 PM

      rOGer
      @ > “Has all been accomplished ?” Yes, it has.
      ALL of WHAT?!?!? All of WHAT has been ACCOMPLISHED!?!?!????????

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 24, 2015 at 1:05 AM

      Roger,
      @ To your scriptural citation, notice how Jesus, in Matthew 23, says “all these things will come upon this generation”. Do you think the audience he was addressing considered this a reference to a time thousands of years in the future? Of course not.
      What about OUR generation NOW! TODAY! Roger it is also written, here a little & there a little. Roger TRY a little of Matthew 24.For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. Roger, & ASSociates, some more research & STUDY will show that NO FLESH SHALL BE SAVED REALLY MEANS NO ONE WOULD SURVIVE, BE ALIVE!! I am not aware of ANYTIME in the past 6,000 years of recorded history has this ever been possible EXCEPT in our day. t’s just simply AMAZING what Nuclear Bombs can do.

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 24, 2015 at 9:21 PM

      Roger,
      “Has all been accomplished ?” Yes
      Really? When was the following accomplished? Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem & His RETURN
      Luke 21
      20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it, 22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written. 23 Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

      The Coming of the Son of Man

      25 “And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26 people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

      Mark 13 The Coming of the Son of Man

      24“But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.
      Matthew 24:29
      “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
      SIDEWINDER!!! WHEN WAS THE FOREGOING ACCOMPLISHED?

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 2, 2015 at 2:28 AM

      roGEr,
      @ Well done, Henry. Excellent find.There we have it from Jesus himself:
      WOW!!! I can just imagine how much you 3 MAN ANIMALS could have been of ENORMOUS HELP to Yahshua/Jesus IF YOU COULD HAVE ONLY BEEN THERE TO HELP HIM ALONG WITH TRULY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT FROM WRONG, etc. Anyway, he did manage to make it without you. IT AMAZES ME HOW HE DID THO, & WITHOUT YOU! THIS IS WHAT IS HARD TO GRASP!!! I’M SO THANKFUL YOU ARE HERE TO KEEP THOSE OF LITTLE FAITH ON THE STRAIGHT & NARROW!! CANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH!! Saying THANK YOU seems so shallow.Please accept my appreciation! Maybe someday I can make it up to you & in a way you will appreciate. I hope so.

       
  10. MPK

    August 6, 2015 at 11:06 PM

    Those who lack the full understanding and who are not guided to the truth because they are lacking are easily led astray and by their own words and it is easy to see who is fooled that allows evil to succeed. Everyone is on their own for the last generation to exist, for everyone will be judge one at a time in the end. Satan cant destroy the remnant’ because he cant find them, for all the churches of man have led there flocks astray and have been seeded within by evil and why these churches exist and why Satan does not need to destroy them for the ones who control them are already corrupt.

    I will say this the last Generation now exists and those who survive shall see all things written come true. I know this for I am the first of the last generation, and the oldest and GOD makes it known unto to whom to be born and whether you believe it or not it is your loss, for no one can convince you in these deceiving times, only those who are of the remnant will know for they are guided unto the truth by the sprit of truth.

    It is up to every one to seek the truth, and ask God and his sprit of truth for guidance to the truth. If not then be judged, and be divided among the corrupt for surly you are not a child of GOD no longer but a puppet of Satan’s deceiving and so it shall be.

    Blame no one but your self, and your own self made blindness to the truth, for there is not much more time left, for the truth is staring you right in the face if you have eyes to see and my father does not leave blind who belongs to him.

     
    • Mark Twang

      August 6, 2015 at 11:35 PM

      MPK,
      @ for the truth is staring you right in the face if you have eyes to see and my father does not leave blind who belongs to him.
      I’m strongly inclined to believe you mean the messages on the videos Alfred & harrytapp posted. If I’m right, I agree 100%. I also believe Jonathan Cahn told the truth in the “Capitol Hill” Speech to the UN.

       
    • Mark Twang

      August 7, 2015 at 4:45 PM

      IF we would only presume & only for the sake of making a point that we ARE A family of Jacob/Israel, & therefor Israelites, a lot, or at least some of this confusion would not be so confusing. Satan deceives the WHOLE world. This includes you & me. BUT!! we may not all be deceived about the same thing & this is where we could be of help to each other. I dearly do appreciate Jonathan Cahn but he too apparently does not believe that we are a PART of Israel. If we have been indoctrinated to believe that ONLY Jews are Israelites, this IS a hard thing to overcome or to know better than that, & disregard.

       
  11. dog-move

    August 7, 2015 at 10:39 AM

    Freedom Tower is actually Free- Edom Tower. Edom is gonna get burned up as in the book of Obadia Ch.1. The smoke her burning will cause much lament amoung the merchants upon their ships in “this state.The burning smoke will come from a pit in which the birth certificates representing the human cargo of Rev.18:13. Some bibles refer to “the souls of men’ could this be the Birth Certificate/Baptism Certificate of the Catholic Church, held in vaults as a claim against your soul?
    Unam Sanctam – ….”says that all of the souls in the world belong to the Roman Catholic Church and they do because no one has challenged their claim. Your birth certificate is the title of the soul that they own in their registries. They have registered you and that is the title to your soul”.

    Read more: http://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/profiles/blogs/the-vatican-owns-your-soul-all-birth-certificates-are-registered#ixzz3i8zoMbXS

     
  12. cathy baldwin

    August 7, 2015 at 1:53 PM

    There are two general camps regarding prophetic understanding. One regards the Christian church as Israel (replacement theology), thereby disregarding the Jewish people in the land of Israel along with the land itself as irrelevant. The other separates the Christian church from Israel to leave geographical Israel and the Jewish people as Israel but enfolds all believers who are born again, Jew or gentile, into spiritual Israel. Replacement theology began almost immediately in Jerusalem with the church, then became seriously popular in America after the Reformation with the formation of the three major denominations or sects created in the 1800’s, LDS, JW, and SDA. The Seventh Day Adventist work tirelessly to indoctrinate replacement theology and often through sources with which they are not easily identified. The muslim issue still leaves Israel, more specifically Jerusalem, as the focus of biblical prophecy and world attention.

     
    • Mark Twang

      August 7, 2015 at 3:35 PM

      cathy baldwin,
      @ There are two general camps regarding prophetic understanding.
      There are also, fence straddlers,i.e., those who stand or sit with a leg on each side of the two general camps. Which general camp are you in, if I may ask? The Israelites were never “God’s” chosen people as some people believe, BUT, they were chosen to follow “God” & be an example for all other Nations to follow their lead. They promised to follow The “WAY” of “God”. They did not tell the truth. Anyway, it is written in Matthew 28:19 & Mark 16:15,& verse 16 WHO is included in “God’s” plan for man. Animals disagree. Ain’t that right, man animal men?

       
    • David Baugh

      August 8, 2015 at 1:06 PM

      Cathy, by what you say, you deny biblical prophesy and ignore the purpose for the coming, death, burial, and resurrection of our Creator/Savior. The term “Jews” does not appear in the KJV until II Kings 16:6 and it refers to a people who then occupied Elath, a coastal city. In the KJV, the term “Jews” always refers to either members of the house of Judah, or to “Judeans” who were people who inhabited Judea irregardless of their lineage many of whom were Edomites. It NEVER refers to members of the house of Israel! What you call “replacement theology” is an antichrist Edomite hoax. The clearly stated purpose for the coming, death, burial & resurrection of our Savior was the redemption of the house of Israel from the alien dominion our Creator/Savior had sent us into when He “divorced” us (Jeremiah 3:8), and the reuniting of the house of Israel with the house of Judah (Hosea 1:10-11, Jeremiah 31:31-37, Hebrews 8:8-10, et.al.). We Caucasian Christians are, in fact, true physical Israel, reunited under our Creator/Savior, having become the “multitude of nations” as promised to our forefathers Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob/Israel, of which the USA is but one. We have not “replaced” the “lost tribes of Israel,” we are true Israel! As to those people who call themselves “Jews” today, read Revelation 2:9 & 3:9, and I John 2:18-23, I John 4:1-6, & II John 7. They are our antichrist Edomite adversaries, and they have no right to the land they stole from the Palestinians. The Palestinians (and Arab people in general) are the descendants of Ishmael, the son of Abraham by Hagar, the hand maiden of Abraham’s wife, Sarah, and that land was given to them by our Creator/Savior as you can read in Genesis, because He knew that we would be vacating that land to become the multitude of nations promised us (II Samuel 7:10). The “old promised land” Jerusalem does not belong to the antichrists who fallaciously call it “Israel” and themselves “Israelis.” Our Creator/Savior hates Esau/Edom and loves us, Jacob/Israel as you can read in Malachi I and Romans 9. Yet, our Creator/Savior uses our antichrist Edomite adversaries to chastise us when we, as His covenant people, stray away from Him & His law-system and moral code as we are told in Judges 2:1-3. Thus, right now, they are “thorns in our sides” and have infiltrated and influenced our society & government with their antichrist Babylonian Talmudic corruption and filth as is evidenced by our current predicament pursuant to Deuteronomy 28:15-68.

      This discussion started with the so-called “end times” theology. What we are witnessing in this generation is an awakening of True Israel, Caucasian Christians today, as the chastisement is having its intended effect. Because we turned away from our Creator/Savior and His “perfect law of liberty” (James 1:25) to practice “Baal worship” we are coming out of the “strong delusions” our Creator/Savior has brought upon us (II Thessalonians 2:11-12) learning another hard lesson, while simultaneously our antichrist Edomite adversaries, our Creator/Savior’s “vessels of wrath fitted for destruction” (Romans 9) are being exposed to us as the perpetrators and for perpetuation of their evil wickedness upon us. This ties in with fundamental law which provides that we, individually & collectively are the holders of the inherent political power over our own corporate fiction creature government image and mere humans we allow to run it for us. Yet, the multitudes of professing Christians are wholly unaware of this, and the fact that our Creator/Savior is our literal Only Risen King, Savior & Law-Giver, and that we, as His covenant people, owe Him the honor & duty to see to it that His Laws are supreme and He is Sovereign over us and our government does not render His laws of no effect. In early America in the 1700’s, the battle cry was “NO KING BUT KING JESUS!” yet today we hear Jeremiah 23 pastors preaching false doctrines of men saying there is nothing we can do until Jesus comes again to save us from our own iniquity. Hypocrites! See Matthew 7:21-23 & 15:7-9! Now if our Creator/Savior was declared our King in the 1st century and again in the 1700’s, surely He is still our King and always will be! (Hebrews 13:8) and His Government/Kingdom consisting of His covenant people in our respective nations/lands wherein He has placed us is forever! In reality, most professing Christians today are unwittingly in violation of the first four Commandments. Instead of seeking first the Kingdom/Government of our Creator/Savior (Isaiah 9:6-7), they are bowing in fear, worship, support & dependence upon their own false Baal god corporate fiction creature government image and mere humans who run it. They have erected “graven images” to represent this fiction. They go to some social club erroneously called a “church” a few days a week and give our Creator/Savior lip service while bowing in fear, worship, support, and dependence upon their own corporate fiction creature image. To put the icing on the cake, they have adulterated the Sabbath to suit their lustful desires.

      No, “Satan” is not in control of this world, our Creator/Savior is. The term simply means “an adversary” and there are many of them and they are our antichrist Edomite adversaries. Same said for the tern “devil” which simply means “slanderer/false accuser.” So, when can we expect the proverbial crap to hit the fan and bring about the “end times?” The answer is found in II Corinthians 10:3-6 and in Matthew 13:37-43. It will be when our obedience is complete. Our Creator/Savior tells us if we love Him, keep His commandments. He tells us to not fear what mere men can do to us but to fear Him alone. He tells us that our perfect love of Him and His laws casts out fear. He tells us that if He is with us, nothing can prevail over us and that He has given us the dominion, power and authority to see to it that His will/law is done on earth (in our respective lands). He is patiently waiting for us to once again give Him the honor and glory due Him whereupon our antichrist Edomite adversaries and all their red/Edomite socialism/communism, economic fraud and evil wickedness will be taken out from our midst. The “vessels of wrath fitted for destruction” will then meet their demise pursuant to Matthew 13:37-43, and we obedient messengers will shine forth as the sun in the Kingdom/Government of our Creator/Savior.

       
      • Lance Pearce

        August 11, 2015 at 2:18 PM

        Thanks David!! Thank you for your wonderful message.
        1st Corinthians 2:9 Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the
        heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love.

         
      • Mark Twang

        August 13, 2015 at 9:04 PM

        David I overlooked an Orchid while searching for a Rose in your message. Please tell me what Paul meant when he said, It is evident our LORD sprang from Judah.Instead of getting into the flawed English translations, just explain what “Sprang” from “Judah” means. Thanks David.

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        August 24, 2015 at 1:23 AM

        @ No, “Satan” is not in control of this world, our Creator/Savior is.
        ABSOLUTELY 100% CORRECT! Our Creator/Savior IS allowing everything to happen as IS happening. He has not even lifted a finger YET to intervene as he WILL & WHEN HE DOES, LOOK OUT BOY SCOUT. THERE WILL THEN BE SOME CHANGES MADE & I MEAN BIG TIME!! :-D :-) See Revelation 20:2 FOR STARTERS!!!

         
    • kanani

      August 11, 2015 at 10:52 PM

      LDS, JW, SDA. I thought those denominations had Masonic & Jesuit roots. Once again, look at some of the symbolism from their early days.
      Obelisks & all seeing eyes are a whole lot more than fancy decorations.

       
    • Anthony Clifton

      August 12, 2015 at 3:06 PM

      the children of Israel never turned into the Gog & Magog “Proselytes”….to
      TALMUDIC JUDAISM.

      https://buelahman.wordpress.com/2015/08/10/absence-of-conscience-by-john-kaminski/

      “Israel” is a people…God’s chosen people…who have NEVER been “Jews”

      …or “Jewish”. {Genesis 49, Deut. 32 & Rev. 7}

      Michael SAVAGE WEINER….is Babylon….on steroids.
      thanks to swiss america & Craig Smith.

       
      • Lance Pearce

        August 12, 2015 at 7:42 PM

        Anthony,
        Satan counterfeits everything “God” does & plans & Satan counterfeits the counterfeits he originally counterfeited. Shrewed ain’t he?

         
      • Lance Pearce

        August 12, 2015 at 8:18 PM

        Anthony (Cliffhanger) Clifton,
        @ “Israel” is a people…God’s chosen people…who have NEVER been “Jews”

        JEW DEFINED & EXPLAINED
        Yahud (Aramaic) = corresponding to the Ancient Southern Kingdom and land area named after Yahudah a son of Jacob/Israel, – (incorrectly translated as Judea, or Judah in many English Bibles).

        Yahudain, Yahudean, Yahudyn, (like sounding) or Yahudim (Aramaic) = an inhabitant (of any race) living in the Southern Kingdom of Yahud, – (incorrectly translated as Jews, or sometimes Judeans, in many English Bibles).

        Yahudah (Hebrew) = “praised” a son of Jacob/Israel, or his descendants, – (incorrectly translated as Judah, Judah(s), Jew(s) in many English Bibles).

        Yahudi or Yahudy (like sounding) (Hebrew) = plural form of Yahudah, or descendants of, or pertaining to Yahudah, – (incorrectly translated as Jews, Jewish, or Judeans in many English Bibles).

        Iouda, or Ioudas (Greek) = Yahudah (Hebrew) a son of Jacob/Israel, or his descendants, the Southern Kingdom – (incorrectly translated as Judah, Judas, Jude, Jew or Jews, or the Southern Kingdom of Yahud in many English Bibles).

        Ioudaios (Greek) from Iouda = Yahudain, Yahud (Hebrew) context determines form, see above – (incorrectly translated Jew(s), Jewish, Judea in many English Bibles).

        Ioudaismos (Greek) = reference to the religion of the Yahudi, – (Incorrectly translated as Judaism in many English Bibles (from Jew-dah-ism, or Jew-ism).
        ————————————————————————————————————-
        Assembly of Yahweh, Cascade

        Jew,Jews,Jewish (modern and erroneous usage of the word in many English Bibles)

        Generally speaking, a Jew is a person named after his/her religion called Jew-ism or Jew-dah-ism, as a Christian is named after his/her religion called Christianity. The word Jew is not found in the Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek texts of the Sacred Scriptures, but in many English Bibles the word Jew has become associated with a rendering of the Latin word Judaeus, which was a translation of the Greek word Ioudaios, the Aramaic word Yahudain, and the Hebrew word Yahudah. Although not found in either the Hebrew, Aramaic or the Greek Scriptures, the word Jew is an incorrect English rendering most often translated from the Latin word Judaeus, a Latin translation of the Hebrew word Yahudah. As translated, it is referring to one of the tribes of Israel (Yisrael) named after one of the 12 sons of Jacob. The word Jews, the plural of the word Jew, is incorrectly translated most often from the word Hebrew Yahudi, descendants of the tribe named after Yahudah. It must be noted, that the letter ‘J’ was not in general use until after the 16th century as is now used in many English Bibles to form the incorrect Biblical word ‘Jew.’ In some English Bibles we have received from the translators, the word Juda. This is also an error in translation because the word derives from the Greek Iudaios, which in the English would be Judaios. Judaios was none other then a Greek pagan diety (see W.H. Roscher’s lexicon of mythology).
        Note: As examples, the following words have been “transliterated” from the Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek, that is, the letters forming the original word have been place into English letters, so when pronounced in the English, the word will closely represent the sound of the original word as found in the language of the Sacred Scriptures.

        Yahud (Aramaic) = corresponding to the Ancient Southern Kingdom and land area named after Yahudah a son of Jacob/Israel, – (incorrectly translated as Judea, or Judah in many English Bibles).

        Yahudain, Yahudean, Yahudyn, (like sounding) or Yahudim (Aramaic) = an inhabitant (of any race) living in the Southern Kingdom of Yahud, – (incorrectly translated as Jews, or sometimes Judeans, in many English Bibles).

        Yahudah (Hebrew) = “praised” a son of Jacob/Israel, or his descendants, – (incorrectly translated as Judah, Judah(s), Jew(s) in many English Bibles).

        Yahudi or Yahudy (like sounding) (Hebrew) = plural form of Yahudah, or descendants of, or pertaining to Yahudah, – (incorrectly translated as Jews, Jewish, or Judeans in many English Bibles).

        Iouda, or Ioudas (Greek) = Yahudah (Hebrew) a son of Jacob/Israel, or his descendants, the Southern Kingdom – (incorrectly translated as Judah, Judas, Jude, Jew or Jews, or the Southern Kingdom of Yahud in many English Bibles).

        Ioudaios (Greek) from Iouda = Yahudain, Yahud (Hebrew) context determines form, see above – (incorrectly translated Jew(s), Jewish, Judea in many English Bibles).

        Ioudaismos (Greek) = reference to the religion of the Yahudi, – (Incorrectly translated as Judaism in many English Bibles (from Jew-dah-ism, or Jew-ism).

        As used in the Scriptures, the word ‘Jew’ is sometimes translated to refer to a Yahudain a native or inhabitant (which would include many diverse races and people groups) who were living in the region of Yahud, as the word ‘American’ includes many diverse peoples living in the Country called ‘America’. The word most often refers to an advocate or an adherent to the religion of the Yahudi. In some cases it may refer to a literal descendant of Abraham, Issac, Jacob/Israel, one of the descent of the tribe names after Yahudah, but this would be very rare.

        Modern Jews are divided into two primary groups, the Ashkenazi Khazar Jew and the Sephardim (or Sephardic Jew). There is a great difference between these groups. They are not one united people. They are divided socially, politically and racially. See Jew Ashkenazi, See Jew Sephardim.

        In present day generic usage, the word Jew has no relationship to the Hebrew or the Greek translated word ‘Jew’ where used in the Old or New Covenant Scriptures. The word is associated primarily to one as an adherent or advocate of Jew-ism the religion of the Jews, but not through ethnics or race. Basically, a Jew is anyone who decides to call himself/herself a Jew.

        Within Jewish Circles, there are two other official ways one can become a Jew. One can be born from a mother who calls herself a Jew, or one can ‘convert’ to become a Jew. (A convert is called a Ger which literally means stranger). Being born a Jew is pretty simple. If one’s mother is Jewish (of the Jew-ism religion) then he/she is considered a Jew, if one’s mother is not of the Jew-ism religion, then neither is the child officially a Jew. (It doesn’t matter what race the father is).

        Modern Jew-ism as a religion began about 1000 CE, and is traced to Rabbenu Gershon of Mainz, Germany, considered the ‘Father’ of the Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenazi Jews constitute approximately 90% of all the worlds approximately fourteen million Jews. Modern Jew-ism is not the Scriptural worship system of the Hebrew Yahudi (of the tribe of Yahudah).

        Jews do not actively encourage conversion; to a large degree they discourage it. This is the reason Jews have never had missionaries trying to convert non-Jews. They want the convert but the convert must be 100% committed to being a Jew. Discouraging conversion helps to filter out those ‘lacking the proper degree’ of commitment. Jew-ism is strongly Anti-Christian.

        If the non-Jew still wants to become a Jew, the male is circumcised. After he is healed, he immerses himself in a mikva. A mikva is a special pool of water which is used for many religious purposes in the cult of Jew-ism. (It must be made according to very specific rules). A female convert only has to immerse herself.

        The term ‘Jew’, has come to be used synonymous with the term ‘Israel, or Israelite’, however, this is error. Scriptural “Yisraelites,” the collective descendants of the 12 tribes of Jacob/Israel (the Northern Kingdom) were never called Jews. Modern Jews are not of the tribe of Yahudah, and are not a part of the Yisraelites of the Scriptures. They take the name Jew because the name is in the name of their religion i.e. Jew-ism. Jews have deceived may Christians into thinking that Jew-ism is a continuance of the Scriptural worship system of Jacob/Yisrael, but it is not.

        Jew, Ashkenazi(m) (Franco-German, Eastern and Central European Jews)

        The Northern Kingdom of Yisrael (Israel) was conquered by the Assyrian King Shalmaneser V, in 745-722 BCE, (for their sin before Yahweh), and the Yisraelites were exiled into (Assyria), 2 Kings 17:5-7. They prospered during the years in Assyria, and became a huge population of people. Outgrowing the land area they eventually migrated North through the ‘Caucasus Mountains’, and into central and Western Europe forming the Great European Nations. Their descendants are known as Caucasians. As these Yisraelites migrated they influenced many local people groups. No longer having an organized religious priesthood, and not having a nation or national identity, their system of worship was corrupted through many years of captive living in pagan Assyria. During the 7th century A.D. various bits and pieces of the old Yahudain religion was embraced and expanded on by the Khazars, (a people of Turkish descent). The Khazar King, his court, and the Khazar military class, adopted this amalgamated newly formed religion, which is now known as Jew-ism.
        Present-day Modern Jew-ism, was formally formed into it’s basic cultic worship form about 1,000 years ago, (according to Jewish history), when – Rabbenu Gershon a Khazar/Jew of Mainz, Germany, published a ban on bigamy for the Jews. This marks the recorded beginning of the Ashkenazi Jewish Sect, and Franco-German halachic* creativity. The word ‘Ashkenazi’ is not Hebrew for the word Germany, although the name has become ‘associated’ with Germany because many Ashkenazi Jews organized in Eastern Europe.

        *halachic – loose ‘interpretations’ of Old Testament laws.

        In common parlance the present day ‘Jew’ is synonymous with the ‘Ashkenazi Khazar/Jew.’ Scripture refers to the Ashkenaz in Gen. 10:3, and in I Chron. 1:6, as one of the sons of Gomer, who was a son of Japheth, who was a son of Noah. Ashkenaz was also a brother of Togarmah (and a nephew of Magog) who the Kazars according to King Joseph (of the Kazars) claimed as their ancestor. The people who refer to themselves as Ashkenazi Jews are not Yisraelites, and they are not Semites because they do not descend from Noah’s son Shem. They are an Ashkenazi Khazar people group, who descend from Noah’s son Japheth. Approximately 90 percent of the Jews in the world call themselves Ashkenazi Jews.
        Jew, Sephardim (Spanish Jews)

        After the Northern Kingdom of Yisrael (Israel) was conquered by the Assyrian King Shalmaneser V, in 745-722 BCE, (for their sin before Yahweh), the Israelites from the Northern Kingdom were exiled into (Assyria), 2 Kings 17:5-7. The Assyrian King then imported people groups from his country (Assyria) to replace the exiled Yisraelites in order for him to maintain and control the land of the exiles. The Assyrian Sepharvaim people were one of these groups, along with some Cuthahites, and Arrahites, 2 Kings 17:24. They mingled with each other, along with the Edomite people, who had migrated Northward from Idumea (field of Edom) after Yisrael and the Yahudain were exiled. Adad and Anu were ancient gods of Babylonia and were also the gods of these pagan Sepharvaim people. The Sephardim Yahudain are a mongrel people whose descent is directly from a mixture of this Assyrian people group and the remnant of some of the escaped Yahudain and Yisraelites, strongly mixed with Edomite blood. The Edomites migrated into the land originally occupied by the Northern Kingdom of Yisrael and the Sothern Kingdom of Yahud. The religion of the area also became of mixed character, from this diversity of people, 2 Kings 17:24-41.

        The people known as Sephardim Jews, “Spanish Jews,” include a mixture of these people who also descended from the Canaanites (the people who colonized Carthage). Following it’s sack by Rome, they adopted the Sepharvaim, or Sephardim name and constitute about 5% of world Jews today. The Sephardim Jews speak Latino, a mixture of Spanish and Hebrew. The Sephardim Jews migrated West through Egypt, then North into Spain from Yahud and Samaria before, during, and after the destruction of Yerushalayim by the Romans in 70 CE,. This migration became known as the “Jewish Diaspora”. Today, these Sephardim Jews are still using their ancient adopted name Sephardim). They settled in Spain, Portugal, the Eastern Mediterranean, Italy, the Balkans, Salonica and Macedonia, and eventually emigrated into France, England, and Western Europe.

        Unlike the Ashkenazi Jew (who never set a foot in the Southern Kingdom of Yahud), the Sepharviam Yahudain did originate from Yahud and were known as Samaritans during the time of Messiah, because most were living in Samaria which was the area from which the Northern Kingdom of Yisrael was removed by the conquest of the Assyrian King Shalmaneser V. The twelve apostles during the time if Messiah, were instructed not to enter the cities of the Samaritans, Matt. 10:5. Although many True Yisraelites of tribal descent living in Samaria did receive the witness of Yahshua and the message of redemption from the apostles, Acts, 1:8. Some of the mixed blood Samaritans also became proselytes to the Christian faith, through the Ministry of the apostles, Acts 8:4-25.

        The Sephardim Jews, or Sepharviam Jews (spelling is not important) are not of Hebrew Israelite blood; they are not of the tribe of Yahudah although they were called Yahudain, as inhabitants, i.e. persons living in the land originally occupied by Yahud and Yisrael. Their descent is mixed from Edom/Esau/Canaanite blood. The Sephardim Jews, like the Ashkenazi Khazar Jews are not a Semitic people. The word Sephardim is not a Hebrew word for Spain, although the name has become ‘associated’ with Spain because many Sephardim Jews organized as a people group in Spain.

        Jew-ism, (modern Jew-ism, Jew-dah-ism)
        Jew-ism, is a cultic (ritual-istic) religion which originated approximately 1000 CE, and is traced to Rabbenu Gershon a Khazar/Jew of Mainz Germany through the publishing of his ‘halachic creativity’ (interpretation of Old Covenant laws), he thereby established the beginning of the modern cultic religion of Jew-ism. Today the religion is also greatly influenced by the Babylonian Talmud, an ancient Pagan ritual-istic system of various extreme opinions, interpretations, codes, rules, and regulations.

        The modern cultic religion of Jew-ism has nothing in common with the Scriptural sacrificial worship system which was completely destroyed by Yahshua the Messiah of Yisrael in 70 CE, at the destruction of Yerushalayim (Jerusalem) Herod’s Edomite Temple. Yahshua then completely established the New Covenant. Christianity is the religious system of Faith which replaced the ancient Cultic (ritual-istic) sacrificial worship system of Yisrael, and the Yahudi.

        Jewish

        A term loosely applied to anything pertaining to modern Jews. In Scripture sometimes incorrectly applied to a Yahudi, a descendant of the tribe of Yahudah. Scriptural accuracy has no bearing on the use of the modern term ‘Jewish.’ See also the word ‘Israel’

        Jew (a Definition from Jewish sources)

        Jew – A Man/Woman who is a member of the Jewish People.

        The Question of “Who is a Jew?” has arisen with particular urgency today, especially in the modern State of Israel. This is because of intense pressure from the Movements of Reform and Conservative Jewry, who feel that they have been excluded or, more precisely, that Conversions performed by their Rabbis have not been recognized by Israeli authorities. Another major factor is the immigration of hundreds of thousands of individuals from the former Soviet Union, many of whom claim that they are Jews and who were in fact persecuted in their homeland because of that identification, but who may not, according to the Halachic definition (a definition according to Jewish Law) given below, be Jewish.

        According to strict Halachah, the answer to the question is clear. A Jew is someone who either … is a child of a Jewish mother or is a Convert to Judaism who, after a period of serious and verified study of the Principles of the Faith and the Laws of Judaism, has done the following:

        Accepted upon Himself or Herself the “Yolk of the Kingdom of Heaven and the Yolk of G-d’s Commandments” Immersed Him or Herself in a Ritual Pool of Water known as a “Mikveh,” symbolizing Rebirth If a male, has undergone the Process of “Brit Milah,” Circumcision :-) :-) :-)

         
      • Mark Twang

        August 14, 2015 at 1:19 AM

        Anthony Clifton,
        @ Michael SAVAGE WEINER
        I think Michael IS, A WINNER!!

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        August 21, 2015 at 6:49 AM

        Anthony! Please explain, Jews, as it is written in, John 4:22, “You Samaritans worship what you do not know. We worship what we do know, because salvation is from the Jews”. Holman Christian Standard Bible. All translations SAY the same thing, BUT!! YOU & BUGLE HORN BEULAHMAN ARE THE EXPERTS, SOoooo What sayest thou?
        Original Word: Ἰουδαῖος, αία, αῖον. This IS translated in English as,
        Strong’s Concordance 2453
        Ioudaios: Jewish, a Jew, Judea
        If Adask DELETES this message, We’re gone.

         
  13. timmy

    August 8, 2015 at 1:12 PM

    Simple principles that will shed a lot of light:

    1 The Bible interprets itself. 90% of what I hear about Revelation and prophecy is ungrounded opinion, speculation and sheer fantasy. Everything in scripture must be taken on scriptures terms, and use its language, images and context to draw sound interpretations.

    2 Revelation is highly symbolic; simply research the original (earliest) use of each symbol in the Bible (usually Old Testament) and then plug that definition in. There are usually positive and negative usages of the same symbol- example: Lion can be Satan (roaring/devouring/hunting to kill) or Jesus (King). Context is important.

    3 The very first principle of the Book of Revelation is that it is “the Revelation of Jesus Christ…”. Therefore, everything must be looked at from a Christ-centered meaning and the Gospel. All of the events and peoples described in it by John are relative to CHRIST HIMSELF and His return. This will help sort out a lot of chaff and nonsense.

    Hope this helps, for those of you who are inclined to dig and contemplate.

     
    • Lance Pearce

      August 11, 2015 at 7:39 PM

      timmy,
      @ The very first principle of the Book of Revelation is that it is “the Revelation of Jesus Christ…”.
      IF IF IF you are saying The Book of Revelation IS ABOUT Jesus Christ, e.g., describing HIM, I do not see it as such.
      The book is a revelation of the things which are, and, the things which shall be. John is the writer, but Jesus Christ is the author.The book opens with the title or inscription of the book itself, and an account of the scope and design of it, namely, to foretell things which should shortly begin to be fulfilled, and should succeed in their due season and order till all were accomplished. To me, IT IS what Jesus Christ IS telling John. How can people in that time, & up until OUR own time have remotely understood, Jet airplanes shooting rockets, from itself,etc., Nuclear bombs exploding? It could only be explained in a way people could get at least some idea of & about the future events.What REALLY MATTERS IS, what is written in 1st CORINTHIANS 13 & HAVING WHAT IT SAYS! There are degrees of everything. I do not know if what I have, as written in Chapter 13 is sufficient but I do know I have love to some degree. it seems to me most people do not have love to any degree. They LUST & think that is love. When Yahshua/Jesus was bweating the living hell out of the Money changers THAT was example of REAL LOVE TOO!! AND, Greater love has no man than would who would lay down his life for his friends. WHO will do that TODAY? I do not have ANY friends BUT I am LOOKING FORWARD to dying for HIM!! Not that he needs it of course

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 25, 2015 at 9:30 PM

      TImMy,
      @ 90% of what I hear about Revelation and prophecy is ungrounded opinion, speculation and sheer fantasy. Everything in scripture must be taken on scriptures terms, and use its language, images and context to draw sound interpretations.
      INTERPRETATIONS? Which PRIVATE “interpretation” is valid when there are several differing interpretations &/or conflicting opinions? YOURS OF COURSE. I agree with you when you say the bible interprets itself. SOoooooo no “private interpretation” is NEEDED!
      @ Hope this helps, for those of you who are inclined to dig and contemplate.
      It didn’t.

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 2, 2015 at 2:49 AM

      timmy,
      @ The Bible interprets itself.
      EXACTLY 100% CORRECT! Here is an example & only ONE of MANY. In reference to Rev.17:3 it is written, So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. The answer to the 10 horns is given in REV.17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet;
      NOW! HERE IS THE PROBLEM! PEOPLE SAY THE 10 KINGS MEAN 10 KING GODZILLAS, or, GRASSHOPPERS, or, SHIPS, or, STARS, etc. Get the point, picture, hint, message?

       
  14. timmy

    August 8, 2015 at 1:17 PM

    Btw, the only ‘people of God’ would by necessity have to be people who believe in and have accepted Jesus Christ. There is no other means of salvation or citizenship than by faith alone. There is no such thing Biblically as salvation by bloodline, DNA, race, or culture. This is all very clearly explained by Paul in several places in the New Testament. You are being lied to and manipulated by Zionists and their minions to buy into other models.

    To state the other side of the coin, anyone who rejects Christ is not of God and cannot be. Unless they ‘repent and believe’ in the One…

     
  15. timmy

    August 8, 2015 at 2:07 PM

    Also, if you really want to understand “Babylon” of Revelation, read Daniel chapter two and study carefully the statue… it’s all there. Very interesting. And remember, it’s a spiritual battle, not a political or military one. Though those aspects do play into it- as the enemy’s methods. Not the Lord’s in this phase…

     
    • Lance Pearce

      August 12, 2015 at 8:28 PM

      timmy,
      @ Also, if you really want to understand “Babylon” of Revelation, read Daniel chapter two and study carefully the statue… it’s all there.
      Most people, it appears, do not have “Real Eyes” to realize the reality & meaning of some bible verses. :-) D

       
  16. Jody

    August 8, 2015 at 5:17 PM

    Many liberties are being taken by the editor of this video .it has been awhile since I have studied this subject . First I would point you to A Hislops ” The Two Babylons or Proof The Papacy is the Worship of Nimrod and His wife ” Which is a very scholarly study of the rituals and practices of the catholic religion , First published in 1852 . Nimrod was the builder of the city of Babylon , The first Mighty Man INSTEAD of God. and is credited which starting the Ancient Mystery Religions of Babylon .Indigenous cultures around the planet have been decimated by the RCC forced conversion , to what we have been told over the years is Christianity , when in fact it is not ! The lineage of most “gods ” Bacchus, zeus etc etc can be traced back to being other names for Nimrod. There are a few more important scriptures being ignored or mistranslated here .First is acts 7:43 , which when taken in context , is speaking to and of of a certain race of semitic peoples , not Muslims, in fact it was written at least 1000 years before the muslim religion was conceived .

    Acts 7: 38 He is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him at Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors; and he received living oracles to give to us. 39 Our ancestors were unwilling to obey him; instead, they pushed him aside, and in their hearts they turned back to Egypt, 40 saying to Aaron, “Make gods for us who will lead the way for us; as for this Moses who led us out from the land of Egypt, we do not know what has happened to him.’ 41 At that time they made a calf, offered a sacrifice to the idol, and reveled in the works of their hands. 42 But God turned away from them and handed them over to worship the host of heaven, as it is written in the book of the prophets: “Did you offer to me slain victims and sacrifices forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel? 43 No; you took along the tent of Moloch, and the star of your god Rephan, the images that you made to worship; so I will remove you beyond Babylon.’ 44 “Our ancestors had the tent of testimony in the wilderness, as God directed when he spoke to Moses, ordering him to make it according to the pattern he had seen.
    The star of Rephan is the hexagram ,still flown over one state this very day !
    Nimrod’s wife was Semiramus who can also be traced back to Venus , Diana , etc etc There is also a link to Hislops book on this page !http://www.ldolphin.org/semir.html

    The mark of the beast speaks of a worldwide monetary system ,or a.one world order , which many say could already be in place , as some of you are aware of the difficulties of extricating yourself from the social security system .

    Revelation 13:17 RSV

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/revelation/13-17.html

    17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.

    Revelation 14:9 RSV

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/revelation/14-9.html

    9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If any one worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,

    Revelation 14:11 RSV

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/revelation/14-11.html

    11 And the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever; and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

    Revelation 16:2 RSV

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/revelation/16-2.html

    2 So the first angel went and poured his bowl on the earth, and foul and evil sores came upon the men who bore the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.

    This image is still being worshipped today by most polititions of America !
    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=baphomet+images&qpvt=baphomet+images&qpvt=baphomet+images&FORM=IGRE

    And through the one world order through which the kings of the earth have become drunk with their fornications !
    Rev 17: 1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who is seated upon many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and with the wine of whose fornication the dwellers on earth have become drunk.” 3 And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and bedecked with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her fornication; 5 and on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of harlots and of earth’s abominations.” 6 And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her I marveled greatly. 7 But the angel said to me, “Why marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her.
    This is Semiramus http://www.aoc.gov/capitol-hill/other-statues/statue-freedom , and this .
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty

    There is only one city where the rulers merchants of the world typically unite to make decisions about the one world order, the united nations headquarters in in NYC !

    Revelation 18:3 RSV

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/revelation/18-3.html

    3 for all nations have drunk the wine of her impure passion, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich with the wealth of her wantonness.”

    Revelation 18:11 RSV

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/revelation/18-11.html

    11 And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn for her, since no one buys their cargo any more,

    Revelation 18:15 RSV

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/revelation/18-15.html

    15 The merchants of these wares, who gained wealth from her, will stand far off, in fear of her torment, weeping and mourning aloud,

    Revelation 18:23 RSV

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/revelation/18-23.html

    23 and the light of a lamp shall shine in thee no more; and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall be heard in thee no more; for thy merchants were the great men of the earth, and all nations were deceived by thy sorcery.

    The American military has been used to decimate the middle east for the purpose of one small group AIPAC !
    Revelation 2:9 RSV

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/revelation/2-9.html

    9 “‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

    Revelation 3:9 RSV

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/revelation/3-9.html

    9 Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie–behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and learn that I have loved you.

    Revelation 12:9 RSV

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/revelation/12-9.html

    9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world–he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

    Yes they really did something by getting most of America to believe 9/11 was done by 19 arabs with box cutters !

     
  17. Peg-Powers

    August 8, 2015 at 9:36 PM

    Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, captured and recaptured 44 times. Israel maintains its primary governmental institutions there, and State of Palestine foresees it as its own seat of power. Neither claim is widely recognized internationally, nor do they recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. East Jerusalem is illegally held and occupied by Israel. (Wiki).

    All that does not matter to the Zionists. They take what they want because they have the power and the money to do so……..i.e. the compromising (whorish)-Babylonish-Talmud-SYSTEM which controls our nation and the U.N.

    As for the continuous line up of enemies or threats to “America”—–why don’t we wise up?
    It’s a sideshow while they continue to undermine the goodness we are and possess.

    It ain’t a city that’s going to be destroyed…..It’s the particular something that “great city” must have to stay vital and powerful in the end timel! It’s an octopus SYSTEM. It’s a SYSTEM of which we are all guilty of consent and participation in one way or another, cause we think we can’t survive with it. We have failed to obey God’s law. We have failed to fully TRUST in God. We have become double-minded. We have bought into the LIE. And our perfidious actions are all recorded right there on the Beast’s world-wide computers as proof. Just ask them. They know. The info is at their fingertips. Perhaps this is WHY God will provide the means to destroy the damning evidence. We must repent and cling to our heavenly Father. We must cut ourselves loose from the octopus.

    As Timmy says: It’s a spiritual battle. We millions of believers in the Savior are NOTHING but cattle/chattel to this phony minority group who hide behind the blasphemous words “God’s Chosen People”……which in itself is top-notch racist comment and also a demonic LIE. They believe their system is fool-proof. Wait and see.

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 24, 2015 at 9:56 PM

      Peg-Powers,
      @ Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, captured and recaptured 44 times.
      AND, there have always been wars & rumors of wars, & pestilences, etc.. HOWEVER, NEVER ON A SCALE THAT IS FORTHCOMING, i.e., “near at hand”. It IS also written in Matthew 24,”For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no MAN would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.” NEVER has there been a time WHEN ALL of MANKIND, INCLUDING “ANIMALS” including every blade of grass be obliterated EXCEPT in our lifetime. “Would be SAVED, means KEPT or REMAIN ALIVE & some STUDY will prove this is true, but as Henry, Roger,Toland, & timmy say, ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE EYES TO SEE WILL SEE THIS! BUT!! THEY DO HAVE THE EYES TO SEE THIS. THEY SAY THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED! THEY SAY THE WILL OF “God” IS NOW BEING DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN!

       
  18. Mark Twang

    August 9, 2015 at 8:22 PM

    @ We millions of believers in the Savior……………………………
    Fear not little flock.

     
    • Ray O. Lite

      August 16, 2015 at 1:54 AM

      TWANG!!!
      @ Fear not little flock.
      You must be KID-ding! Sheep generally outnumber GOATS so you must be a goat keeper!

       
      • Bart Shavitz

        September 2, 2015 at 2:53 AM

        rAy o liTE,
        @ You must be KID-ding!
        No, YOU are the JOKER, I kid you not!!

         
  19. Cathy Baldwin

    August 10, 2015 at 12:15 AM

    Let the future tell the truth, and evaluate each one according to his work and accomplishments. The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine. Nikola Tesla

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 24, 2015 at 1:37 AM

      Cathy Baldwin,
      @ The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine. Nikola Tesla

      “When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken, or cease being honest.” Richard Humpal

      “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
      and third, it is accepted as self-evident.” Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860

      “A truth’s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. When a
      well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will
      seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic.” — Dresden James

       
  20. Lance Pearce

    August 11, 2015 at 2:32 PM

    Alfred
    @ It’s the kind of game that could not be licensed by the Nevada Gaming Commission.
    Thank YOU!.
    @ “Shoddy phantasmagoria” is………………………………………………………………………….”
    ok. If you say so. I still don’t know. Therefore I will accept what you say as true.

     
  21. timmy

    August 11, 2015 at 9:25 PM

    For what it’s worth, Islam cannot be Babylon of Revelation. Babylon is the system that sets MAN up as god. Islam, however flawed, recognizes that God is God and man is his creation. You’ll know your facing Babylon when you see all of it’s traits: Man can become God; One man declares himself God/Ruler of all earth (“Nebuchadnezzar” style); that false faith merged with political power, etc.

     
    • kanani

      August 11, 2015 at 10:55 PM

      Transhumanism, that stuff is Babylonian. It may be right around the corner too.

       
    • Mark Twang

      August 14, 2015 at 6:26 PM

      timmy,
      @ Man can become God;
      For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God Romans 3:23. What does this tell us we had to look forward to IF we had not sinned? Have provisions been made that some people can achieve the same thing again? YES!! Will YOU explain what I said? It will be considered just another deceiving message if I do. Thanks timmy. I just KNOW you will. :-(

       
  22. Lance Pearce

    August 12, 2015 at 8:23 PM

    Adask,
    @ It’s the kind of game that could not be licensed by the Nevada Gaming Commission.
    The BIG 3 have a Common Law Copyright on it. D

     
  23. timmy

    August 17, 2015 at 8:32 PM

    Mark, I disagree. There is always a distinction between the Creator and His created creatures, including all men, except the One who had both natures (taking on ours voluntarily). What God offers us is to share his character and characteristics, but that does not make us God. We have a beginning, for example and He doesn’t, for just one point. There are many others.

     
    • Mark Twang

      August 17, 2015 at 10:13 PM

      timmy,
      @ What God offers us is to share his character and characteristics,
      Disagree in this sense. We MUST BUILD OUR OWN CHARACTER !! It IS NOT SOMETHING HE GIVES US!! IF WE OVERCOME THE DOWNWARD PULL TO DISOBEY “God” THEN WE DO THIS BY BUILDING THE CHARACTER TO DO SO, i.e. OVERCOME! Character IS knowing right from wrong & CHOOSING TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT! BUT!! IT’S NOT EASY!! “God” COULD HAVE CREATED PERFECT CHARACTER IS US! BUT!! ALL HE WOULD HAVE IS/ARE ROBOTS!

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 18, 2015 at 4:51 PM

      timmy,
      You word your messages so as to leave some of the things you say wide open to only guess as to what you mean. You say God offers us character. This means all we have to do is accept it & take it. What kind of “character” is that? Instant character? Well we do live in the days of instant this & that. For instance. Instant oatmeal, Instant potatoes,cup o noodles,instant soup, & so on. Seems like there is not any end to the ways people like to play around with the Word of “God” & use same to play around with honest, sincere, truth seekers of anything & about anything.

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 25, 2015 at 4:31 PM

      timmy,
      @ but that does not make us God.
      The Apostle Paul is not Peter eyethur but I firmly believe they both will BE LIKE “God” IS, & once again here is WHY I believe this. > but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
      1st Corinthians 15 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in in corruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. SO!! when he appears, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. I AM NOT saying I WILL BE one of those people. I am saying IT DOES APPLY TO SOME PEOPLE, that they, whoever they are WILL BE LIKE LIKE LIKE “God” NOT HIM BUT LIKE HIM!

       
  24. Mark Twang

    August 17, 2015 at 10:02 PM

    @ What God offers us is to share his character and characteristics, but that does not make us God.
    Where did i say it did? I didn’t !!! BUT!!! What follows applies to somebody.1st John 3, Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
    but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
    1st Corinthians 15 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in in corruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
    The problem IS, what is written means what you think it does. Same here. It means different things to different people. No need to advise me of what it means. You hold on to your understanding & I’ll hold on to mine.

     
  25. timmy

    August 18, 2015 at 9:49 PM

    You guys think you’re going to achieve the (perfect) character of God through your own efforts?? You are delusional. I feel sorry for you, because I never met someone with that mentality that wasn’t miserable. I’m not saying we personally become perfect in a moment in this life- of course not. I’m saying we are counted and seen as being perfect by Him in a single moment because it’s through Christ and His perfect life that is CREDITED to me. It’s called faith. You can read all about it for yourself: John, Romans, Ephesisans and on and on. You are living by and trusting in works. Good luck with that… I’ll see you there. For me, I’m looking to and trusting in Him, and not on whit in myself. It’s my only hope.

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 21, 2015 at 3:43 AM

      timmy,
      @ You guys think you’re going to achieve the (perfect) character of God through your own efforts?? You are delusional. I feel sorry for you, because I never met someone with that mentality that wasn’t miserable.
      I’m not miserable but I am SAD to see that YOU are the one DELUDED. If you ever get stopped by a “Peace Officer” & he/she tells you that you were breaking the law for whatever reason, tell the Officer that you are not subject to, i.e. You are not UNDER the law, You are under GRACE!! :-D

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 27, 2015 at 12:40 AM

      RAMRODDER,
      @ You guys think you’re going to achieve the (perfect) character of God through your own efforts?? You are delusional.

      Making an effort is better than not making an effort because we think we are under GRACE.

      @ You are delusional.
      Yahshua/Jesus was said to be delusional TOO so thanks for the compliment.

      Mark 3:21

      English Standard Version
      And when his family heard it, they went out to seize him, for they were saying, “He is out of his mind.”

      New American Standard Bible
      When His own people heard of this, they went out to take custody of Him; for they were saying, “He has lost His senses.”

      King James Bible
      And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.

      Delusion is defined as a firm belief you have that is actually not grounded in reality or truth, often occurring as a result of a mental problem. < This IS for all of you definitionists & MEN ANIMALS

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 2, 2015 at 3:11 AM

      TIMMY!!!,
      @ You guys think you’re going to achieve the (perfect) character of God through your own efforts?? You are delusional.
      timmy I have decided I will not put forth ANY effort & I have decided to do this, i.e., not even try, because of your wisdom & depth of perception to see that my making an effort is of no avail, senseless, not necessary, & therefore useless. timmy, thanks to you, I will have a MUCH easier way to go in life & I just cannot thank you enough for saving me all of the time, energy,& useless wasted effort I would have been wasting in trying to accomplish something in VAIN!! wow !! WHAT A RELIEF!! I CANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH!! OHhhhhhhhhhh happy days are here again “God” LOVES ALL SINNERS SO LET’S SIN SIN SIN HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN ! WHEW-PEE!!

       
      • Adask

        September 2, 2015 at 5:17 AM

        Bart, sometimes I think your comments may be just a tad sarcastic. Or maybe, that’s just me . . .?

         
  26. Bart Shavitz

    August 19, 2015 at 2:53 AM

    @ You are living by and trusting in works.
    Yes & No! I am living & trying to obey via my works/actions/deeds AND I am trusting in Yahshua/Jesus that my WORKS will be regarded as good. This will be up to him as to whether they are good, or, not good enough.
    @ it’s through Christ and His perfect life that is CREDITED to me. It’s called faith.
    IF what you say is true, then it should also be CREDITED to anyone & everyone else & regardless of HOW they LIVE..What you say, is just another way of saying no works on our part are required.

    Cherry-picker,timmy! What doth it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but have not works? can that faith save him?
    So you see, faith by itself isn’t enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.
    Even so faith, if it have not works, is dead in itself. James 2:14 & verse 17.

    ADDITIONALLY, James 2:26 Just as the body is dead without breath, so also faith is dead without good works. On top of that, it is also written: God will judge everyone according to his deeds. Romans 2:6,11.

    Romans 2:6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done He will render to
    each one according to his works: … to his deeds: Holman Christian Standard Bible.

    FURTHEMORE!!! Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small … The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.The dead were judged out of the things written in the books according to their works. … Let it be our great concern to see whether our Bibles justify or condemn us.

    2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the … – Bible Hub
    For we must all stand before Christ to be judged. … be recompensed for his
    deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. … For
    we must all of us appear before Christ’s judgement-seat in our true characters, in
    order …
    NOW timmy YOU say, it’s through Christ and His perfect life that is CREDITED to you. You say it’s called faith. You say I can can read all about it for myself: John, Romans, Ephesisans and on and on. You say I am living by and trusting in works. You say,Good luck with that… You say, I’ll see you there. You say For you, You are looking to and trusting in Him, and not on whit in yourself. You say It’s your & my only hope.
    ok timmy, whatever you say. But, I would suggest you read all about the other written scriptures I submitted because, I do NOT want to see you THERE!!!

     
  27. timmy

    August 19, 2015 at 6:39 PM

    Well, Bart, you are Anti-christ. In direct contrast to you, He wants to see EVERYONE there. Of course they won’t all be, because not all choose to believe. It’s a free-will world He’s set up for us.

    Your biblical scholarship is sorely lacking, friend. NO WHERE does the Book say you are SAVED by your works. James is all about works as the fruit/result/evidence that simply proves if you truly believe. You confuse roots and fruits, cause and effect. James addresses the results of faith, or lack thereof for all who claim to believe. It’s not about HOW one might be saved. See Romans for that. I’m not going to go through all your citations. Let’s just say you’re slightly confused and leave it at that. I never stated that we would have no works, or can freely choose to sin, or any similar idea.

    Based on your position, a believer would have to perform PERFECTLY, FLAWLESSLY, without ANY error or sin for the rest of their life to be saved. As I said, good luck with that approach. There is only ONE with perfect performance, and His life is what I have pinned my hope on.

    To be direct with you, you are not currently headed to heaven, as you clearly express the attitude of a Pharisee- hatred for others (me, in this case) and an expressly stated desire that I NOT get to Heaven. That shows where your heart is, my friend. (“By you own words you will be condemned…) Those that know him tend to demonstrate His character- mercy, grace, patience, and most of all, love.

    Oh, and the desire to see others make it there one day….
    as I hope you do, when you come into true FAITH out of works/slavery/self effort.

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 21, 2015 at 3:16 AM

      @ He wants to see EVERYONE there.
      THE THERE I MEANT IS NOT WITH HIM. I DO NOT want to see you THERE!!! IF WE ARE NOT WITH HIM, WHERE WILL WE BE?
      @ I’m not going to go through all your citations.
      MY CITATIONS OR BIBLE CITATIONS?
      @ To be direct with you, you are not currently headed to heaven, as you clearly express the attitude of a Pharisee- hatred for others (me, in this case) and an expressly stated desire that I NOT get to Heaven.
      BLESSED ARE THE MEEK FOR “THEY” SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH, NOT HEAVEN! Matthew 5:5; And, GREAT IS YOUR REWARD IN HEAVEN! Matthew 5:12. ARE YOU THE REWARD? Revelation 22:12, And, behold, I come quickly; and my REWARD is with me, to give every man
      according as his work shall be.
      @ as I hope you do, when you come into true FAITH out of works/slavery/self effort.
      Don’t hold your breath. You can hope in one hand & poopee in the other & see which one gets full FIRST !!! :-D
      @ Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
      It is also written, He that says he BELIEVES in me & YET does not KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE “TRUTH” IS NOT IN HIM !!! 1st John 2:4 OBEYING “God” IS WORKING FOR “God” ! OBEYING MEANS WORKS YOU OR I DO!!

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 21, 2015 at 3:54 AM

      timmy,
      @ Your biblical scholarship is sorely lacking, friend. NO WHERE does the Book say you are SAVED by your works.
      I did not SAY my works WILL SAVE ME !! BUT!!! IF I DO NOT HAVE ANY WORKS, I WILL NOT RECEIVE ANY GRACE!!! “God” WILL BE THE JUDGE ON WHETHER MY WORKS WARRANT HIS GRACE! GRACE OR NO GRACE IS THE FINAL DECISION. IF IF IF MY WORKS ARE SAID TO BE GOOD, THEN & ONLY THEN WILL I RECEIVE HIS GRACE, & IF I DO RECEIVE HIS GRACE, THEN, I WILL BE SAVED.

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 21, 2015 at 7:08 AM

      timmy,
      @ as I hope you do, when you come into true FAITH out of works/slavery/self effort.
      WORKS IS DEFINED AS,
      ◄ 2041. ergon ►
      Strong’s Concordance
      ergon: work
      Original Word: ἔργον, ου, τό
      Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
      Transliteration: ergon
      Phonetic Spelling: (er’-gon)
      Short Definition: work, labor, action, deed
      Definition: work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.
      HELPS Word-studies
      2041 érgon (from ergō, “to work, accomplish”) – a work or worker who accomplishes something. 2041 /érgon (“work”) is a deed (action) that carries out (completes) an inner desire (intention, purpose).
      2041 /érgon (“work”) is a deed (action) that carries out (completes) an inner desire (intention, purpose).
      2041 /érgon (“work”) is a deed (action) that carries out (completes) an inner desire (intention, purpose).

       
  28. timmy

    August 19, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    Here, you can argue with Him, not me (I’ve had enough, there’s no point with legalists.)…. John, Chapter 6:

    Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

    Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

     
    • jody

      August 20, 2015 at 10:00 PM

      So then I guess we can just ignore the rest of the bible ? Such as when Satan told the Christ too turn the rocks into bread his reply ” Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God ”
      Matthew 5:18 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/5-18.html

      18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
      Has all been accomplished ? I think not . This discussion about the book of revelations proves not all has been accomplished !

      Luke 16:17 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/luke/16-17.html

      17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the law to become void.

      The verse you quoted John 6’29 cannot have the meaning you attribute to it as it has been prefaced in the gospel of John by John . rRemember all things were spoken into existence by our creator ! In John we are told , 1 :1 ” In the beginning was the word. and the word was with God , and the word was God 2 He was in the beginning with God ; 3 All things were made through him and without him was not anything made that was made .4 In him (the word ,that was in the beginning ) was life , and the life was the light of men , ……..14 And the word became flesh, and dwelt among men , full of grace and glory .
      SO the fact is , to deny the word that he was in the beginning , is to deny the Christ himself !

       
      • Roger

        August 21, 2015 at 11:22 PM

        > “Has all been accomplished ?”

        Yes, it has. It was accomplished with the end of the Old Covenant, which prophetic texts referred to as “heaven and earth”. For example:

        Isaiah 51:16 And I have put my words in your mouth and covered you in the shadow of my hand, establishing the heavens and laying the foundations of the earth, and saying to Zion, ‘You are my people.’

        The author of Hebrews, writing circa 64 AD, predicted the end of this “heaven and earth” was nigh:

        Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

         
      • Henry

        August 22, 2015 at 11:34 PM

        I’m not sure who you’re responding to Roger, but yeah.

        The 1st century AD is when “all things” related to the passing of “heaven and earth” repeatedly predicted by inspired prophesy (as opposed to the doctrines of men) was accomplished.

        Matthew 11:11-15 I tell you the truth, of all who have ever lived, none is greater than John the Baptist. Yet even the least person in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he is! And from the time John the Baptist began preaching until now, the Kingdom of Heaven has been forcefully advancing and violent people are attacking it. For before John came, all the prophets and the law of Moses looked forward to this present time. And if you are willing to accept what I say, he is Elijah, the one the prophets said would come. Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand!

        Jesus is referring to, among other things, the prophesy by Malachi stating the appearance of Elijah would signal the approaching “day of the Lord”. Let’s look at that prophesy, reposting your citation from earlier:

        Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch…. 5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

        So what event soon after the time of John the Baptist fits the description of the “day of the Lord”? The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, of course.

        Matthew 5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

        Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

        So, if

        1. the law – meaning the law imposed as part of the Old Covenant – would last until “heaven and earth disappear” and “everything is accomplished”, and

        2. the law was to “soon disappear” (and be replaced: “I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts.” – Hebrews 8), then

        the time when “heaven and earth disappear” and “everything is accomplished” was also soon (as of when Hebrews was written around 64 AD).

        This is too straightforward and logical to arguing against, so the advocates of the doctrines of men don’t even try. Instead they either flee the scene entirely or wheel out the familiar loud and clumsy devices of dishonest rhetoric.

         
      • Roger

        August 23, 2015 at 2:53 AM

        That’s funny. I’m not sure who I responded to either. I did a Ctrl+F for the text I quoted and only my own post showed up. Apparently I replied in the wrong thread. However, it could also be that your famous Gag-a-Gimp™ browser addon was either slow in detecting the troll’s latest deceptive username or is now giving a false positive. Best lift the hood and tweak the works! Lol.

        Speaking of the doctrines of men, I hear yet another non-Biblical doomsday is scheduled for September. There are scary YouTube videos about it, of course. Some of these videos were posted over 2 years ago to give us a long period to be paralyzed with fear so the plans of the NWO can proceed unopposed. I wonder what the mental gymnastics will be this time around, when the followers of this particular charlatan are debunked come October 1st – unless the Federal Reserve raises rates on Sept 17th and crashes the market, in which case we know what they will try to claim.

         
      • Henry

        August 23, 2015 at 4:44 AM

        Lol, I’ll see what I can do about the tweak you requested. I mean, we witness enough deception in this world already without a self-important clown telling lies, including deceptively commenting under multiple usernames, at one of the best places on the internet: Al’s high-class blog.

        Note that the problem you was describing may be due to a glitch, or a lag, in the WordPress database updates, which is tough to work around. Hopefully it’s otherwise and something easy. Also, if you’ve only seen this problem once, it may not be anything to bother about. Meanwhile, read on and enjoy the silence where once there was a babbling irrelevance.

         
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 24, 2015 at 1:57 AM

      timmy,
      @ Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
      Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

      WOW!!!! REALLY? NOoooooo PROBLEM!! OK! ! I BELIEVE IN THE ONE HE HAS SENT!! BY THIS, I MEAN I BELIEVE Yahshua/Jesus IS THE MESSIAH! I BELIEVE THIS, BUT!! YES THERE IS A PROBLEM! THE DEMONS ALSO BELIEVE THIS TOO!! YOU & YOUR BELIEF DON’T QUITE GET IT! NO!! NOT BY A LONG SHOT!! IT IS ALSO WRITTEN HE THAT SAYS HE BELIEVES IN ME & DOES NOT OBEY ME IS A LIAR & THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM!! MEDITATE ON THAT!! :-D

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 2, 2015 at 3:45 AM

      @ (I’ve had enough, there’s no point with legalists.); AND,
      @ You confuse roots and fruits, cause and effect. James addresses the results of faith, or lack thereof for all who claim to believe. It’s not about HOW one might be saved.
      OHhhhhhhhhhhh timmy! Is that right? REALLY? then the following IS JAMES LEGALISM!
      For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery, also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.. < James 2:11. LEGALISM?? ok, whatever you say. Also, timmy, You say,MY biblical scholarship is sorely lacking, O-key-doak-E. BUT!! you don't expect me to be as smart as you are do ya? :-) :-)
      Just call me another BIBLE LEGAL BEAGLE !! HAHHAHhahahahaHAHHAHhahahaheeeehaww :-D
      P.S. You still love me doancha? Beagles are fuzzy wuzzy ya know! :-)

       
    • Fifee Tean Wheeler

      September 12, 2015 at 3:38 AM

      Henry,
      @ Lol, I’ll see what I can do about the tweak you requested
      HEY HOSS!! You & yours should like this.
      He Tweaks in the tree tops all day long
      Hoppin’ and a-boppin’ and tweaking his song
      All the little birdies on Jaybird Street
      Love to hear the robin go tweak tweak tweak

      Tweakin’ robin, tweak tweak tweak- E -tweak tweak
      Tweakin’ robin’ tweak tweak tweak- E -tweak tweak
      Tweak tweakin’ Robin
      yeah “Les” tweak it all out tonight

      Every little swallow, every chick-a-dee
      Every little bird in the tall oak tree
      The wise old owl, and the big black crow
      Flappin’ their wings singing go TWEAKER go
      Yeah dat rite!!

      Pretty little raven at the bird-band stand
      Told them how to do the TWEAK for Roger & Toland
      They started going steady and bless my soul
      He out-TWEAKED the buzzard and the oriol

      Tweakin’ robin, tweak tweak Tweak- E -Tweak Tweak
      yeah tweakin’ robin’ tweak tweak tweak- E -tweak
      tweak tweakin’ Robin
      yeah yeah yeah we really gonna tweak tonight

      TWEAK DAT THANG hEnRy! TWEAK IT! :-D
      TWEAK IT ONE TIME FOR ME!!! :-D
      TWEAK IT AGAIN :-D
      WUNCE MO!!! :-D

       
  29. Bart Shavitz

    August 21, 2015 at 3:29 AM

    @ jody
    @ Your message of/on, August 20, 2015 at 10:00 PM
    Thanks Jody!!

     
  30. timmy

    August 21, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    Jody, I can make zero sense out of your post. As best I can tell, again you are confusing the results/effects of faith with the causes/roots of salvation. Reversing them even. Where do I deny the Law or the rest of the Bible?? Of course there is more to be fulfilled. I’ve said as much several time in various posts on here.

    According to this point of view (yours, apparently) there was no need of Christ’s death on the cross at all. Cuz you guys gonna do it all, I guess. Haven’t heard any one of you mention FAITH or RELATIONSHIP… (“Away with ye, for I never knew you…”). Case closed.

    I have noticed a strong correlation pattern with ignorance, irrationality, argumentativeness and legalism. Perhaps one day you will come to KNOW Him, by FAITH. That’s my prayer for now.

    I’m done with this thread- I think it already borders on abusing Al’s blog. Apologies to anyone irritated by the exchange. Enough is enough. As I said, you cannot reason with a Pharissee or legalist. They are angry, irrational and self-righteous. They react exactly the same way they did to Christ- with hatred, denial, attacks and complete resistance to truth and love.

    Amen, and out.

     
    • jody

      August 22, 2015 at 7:07 AM

      Of course you can make no sense of my post because you don’t get the words of Christ telling you the law will never be obsolete until heaven and earth passes away ! Have you eer read the bible ? I mean ALL of the bible from cover to cover ? What then makes you an expert , your parroting of popular doctrinal delusions ? If ALL has been accomplished. why are we debating who the antichrist is and when will be the return of the christ ?If Christ declared he would return , then ALL is not accomplished until he does return ! Things of the spirit are folly to the carnal mind ! The idea that Christains have no work ahead of them after accepting the Christ is absurd and of Lucifer himself !
      We are called to prayer .Note the verses say WHEN you pray not if you pray !

      Matthew 6:5 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/6-5.html

      5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

      Matthew 6:6 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/6-6.html

      6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

      And why would you pray your flight not be on the sabbath if the Sabbath was deed obsolete ?

      Matthew 24:20 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/24-20.html

      20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath.
      And we are called to fasting. note the words of the Christ say ” when you fast ” not if you fast !

      Matthew 6:16 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/6-16.html

      16 “And when you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

      Matthew 6:17 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/6-17.html

      17 But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face,

      We must strive toward perfection . !
      Matthew 5:48 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/5-48.html

      48 You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
      Romans 12:2 RSV

      Philippians 3:12 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/philippians/3-12.html

      12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect; but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/romans/12-2.html

      2 Do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you may prove what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

      Note the word strive means to endeavor towards a certain goal , whether it be accomplished or not !

      The act of enduring this evil world is a work in itself !

      2 Timothy 2:12 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/2-timothy/2-12.html

      12 if we endure, we shall also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us;

      2 Timothy 4:3 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/2-timothy/4-3.html

      3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings,

       
      • Bart Shavitz

        August 22, 2015 at 7:20 PM

        jody
        @ August 22, 2015 at 7:07 AM
        Thanks again! Some are saying ALL IS NOW accomplished. This IS another doctrine of demons. THEN “God’s” WILL IS being done on earth as it IS in heaven. WOW!!! Then Heaven is in Mayhem.Just more mockery & slander. ALSO, I do not see the desert blossoming as the rose. Isaiah 11:6 In that day the wolf and the lamb will live together; the leopard will lie down with the baby goat. The calf and the yearling will be safe with the lion, and a little child will lead them all. Also the cow and the bear will graze, Their young will lie down together, And the lion will eat straw like the ox.… I feel uplifted to call YOU a BROTHER jody AND ONE OF THE ONE ANOTHERS. :-)

         
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 5, 2015 at 5:59 AM

      tImMy,
      @ I have noticed a strong correlation pattern with ignorance, irrationality, argumentativeness and legalism. Perhaps one day you will come to KNOW Him, by FAITH.
      I have noticed some of the same things tIMmY. Especially, ignorance, & irrationality, not any legalism on your part, but,proclaiming GRACE outlawed the Law of “God” Yes I have noticed that.
      @ Perhaps one day you will come to KNOW Him, by FAITH.
      I ALREADY know a “HER” & HER NAME IS, Faith. Her surname IS, Parker. (*_*) :-) :-D

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 5, 2015 at 6:33 AM

      timmy,
      @ Perhaps one day you will come to KNOW Him, by FAITH

      timmy, I tried so hard to tell ya, there ARE many different FAITHS. See if you can BELIEVE this.

      Famous People Named Faith – Famous Faithes | Famous Birthdays
      http://www.famousbirthdays.com/names/faith.htm

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 5, 2015 at 6:52 AM

      @ Perhaps one day you will come to KNOW Him, by FAITH
      timmy I posted a link re: MANY different FAITHS but for some unknown reason it did not work from this blog. Anyway, below are some more FAITHS. It’s hard to BELIEVE there are so MANY FAITHS. To your knowledge, is there ANY FAITH listed below that could be of help to me for me to be able to know “HIM” by FAITH? If so, WHICH FAITH?
      Learn about the most famous People Named Faith including Faith Hill, Faith Evans, Faith Ford, Faith Salie and many more.

       
    • Fifee Tean Wheeler

      September 12, 2015 at 3:10 AM

      TimME YOU say to jody, > Jody, I can make zero sense out of your post.
      Not to worry timME. ALREADY saved people like you, or, like you say you are, & those who are ALREADY born again need not be concerned about the senseless people. Hey timME!!! Tell me something here, WHY is it Yahshua/Jesus was CALLED the FIRST BORN of many brethren AFTER he DIED & was resurrected? He also was resurrected as a SPIRIT BEING. What does this mean, > He said to John, “I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever”! … Darby Bible Translation. Also, verse 17, John says, When I saw him, I fell at his feet as “though” dead. Then he (Yahshua/Jesus) placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades”. TimME what do dat mean? Wasn’t Jesus alive BEFORE he died. If he died he ceased to exist didn’t he? Since he was made alive again,< there is your REAL BORN AGAIN MEANING! NOW!! YES!! There ARE those who say well if he was really "God" he could not have died. THERE ARE TWO BEINGS WHO ARE CALLED GOD! ONE of these beings was translated into flesh & blood & this being could then DIE. Now don't ask me how this was done cause I do not have the answer for that BUT!! THIS I DO BELIEVE! SOMEHOW, Mary "conceived" Yahshua/Jesus. Don't ask me how. All I know is the Bible says this was done via the "Holy Spirit". I would have to be the Holy Spirit to know how to answer this "conceived" puzzle. And I DO THINK YOU WILL BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY, I AM NOT THE Holy Spirit. SEE timME, I was born. I have not DIED, YET.I do not know if I will be in the FIRST RESURRECTION. BUT!! IF I AM, THEN, I will be BORN OF THE SPIRIT, aka BORN AGAIN. I BELIEVE THIS & I HAVE FAITH IN THIS, that is to say & mean, AT LEAST THIS APPLIES TO SOME PEOPLE. Naturally i HOPE to be ONE of those people.And, once agai ALL i know to do is TRY, & HOPE I am accepted.

       
  31. timmy

    August 21, 2015 at 8:49 PM

    and, since the whole Bible is so important to you:

    Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God,
    with which you were sealed for the day of redemption.
    All bitterness, fury, anger, shouting, and reviling
    must be removed from you, along with all malice.
    And be kind to one another, compassionate,
    forgiving one another as God has forgiven you in Christ.

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 24, 2015 at 4:31 PM

      timmy,
      @ “Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with which you were sealed for the day of redemption.”

      Once again, let’s BACKUP!! It is also written, & PLEASE take note of the ORDER! Ephesians 1:13………………when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and BELIEVED in him, THEN you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit. BUT!!, King David said,”Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.” SO! This IS something we can lose TOO. We have already covered what BELIEVE MEANS!! ALL those who say they are under grace will disregard what BELIEVE really means & I say YOU do this at your own PERIL & to your own DESTRUCTION!! For It is also written, There are some things in Paul’s letters that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
      2nd Peter 3:16-thru, verse 18.

       
  32. Bart Shavitz

    August 22, 2015 at 2:00 AM

    timmy,
    @ “And be kind to one another, compassionate,forgiving one another as God has forgiven you in Christ.”
    We do not see eye to eye on WHO those “ONE ANOTHER’S ARE!
    Let’s start with 2nd Timothy 3, verse 4
    4 “Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”
    WHERE IS THE LOVE timmy? TURN AWAY? Naughty naughty NAUGHTY Of Paul to say that, RIGHT? YEAH RIGHT!!
    Titus 3:10 “A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.”
    REJECT? NO!! WE ARE SUPPOSED TO LOVE HIM/HER!! Paul HAS NO LOVE WHATSOEVER RIGHT timmy? YEAH RIGHT!
    1st Corinthians 5:11.
    “But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
    DO WHAT?? NOT EVEN KEEP COMPANY WITH? SHAME ON YOU PAUL!! WHERE IS THE LOVE PAUL?? YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF!! NO LOVE WHATSOEVER! DO WHAT??? DON’T EVEN EAT WITH THEM!! PAUL WHY DON’T YOU PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH AS YOU VERY CLEARY SAID IN 1st Corithians 13? PAUL!! WE ARE SUPPOSED TO LOVE & FELLOWSHIP WITH THE REPROBATES! IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME ASK, timmy! PAUL!!! SHAME ON YOU!! WHERE IS THE LOVE? RIGHT timmy? RIGHT!! OF COURSE

     
  33. jody

    August 22, 2015 at 8:45 PM

    Bart Shavitz Like wise brother ! There is a lot of doctrinal delusions out there , people confuse being saved with living the rest of their lives , We are saved by the Christ , then we must live and act accordingly . Salvation is about being saved from the perilous icy waters of sin , works is about taking control of our lives from there on out !

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 23, 2015 at 2:09 AM

      jody,
      @ Salvation is about being saved from the perilous icy waters of sin , works is about taking control of our lives from there on out !
      Well !! Paul said it was possible for him to become a “CASTAWAY” & he said he BEAT HIS BODY INTO “SUBMISSION” DAILY SO HE WOULD NOT BECOME A CASTAWAY. AT the end of his life he said, I HAVE FOUGHT A GOOD FIGHT!! For I am already being offered, and the time of my departure is come. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith: 8 henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give to me at that day; and not to me only, but also to all them that have loved his appearing.2nd Timothy 4:6-7-8. Paul did not say Beloved just lay back & takes it easy REMEMBER Yahshua did for us the things he originally asked us to do because he came to see that he asked us to do things beyond our ability to do & since he does care, he did them for us! SOooooo not to worry or be concerned BELOVED. All that is required of us NOW IS, remember he has us covered for anything we may do that he at one time, before he wised up, he called SIN! SO RELAX!! EAT DRINK & LIVE IT UP! DON’T BE CONCERNED ABOUT ANYBODY CONDEMNING YOU FOR DOING SO. Shall we pray? ok.OHhhhhhhh Mother Mary My Queen, My Mother, I offer myself entirely to thee. And to show my devotion to thee, I offer thee this day, my eyes, my ears, my mouth, my heart, my whole being without reserve. Wherefore, my adorable one & only good Mother, as I am thine own, keep me, guard me as thy property and possession. Amen.
      GOOD PRAYER THERE! RIGHT HENRY, ROGER, TOLAND, TIMMY!! AIN’T THAT RIGHT? :-D :-)

       
  34. Bart Shavitz

    August 23, 2015 at 1:38 AM

    @Henry
    @ August 22, 2015 at 11:34 PM
    “I’m not sure who you’re responding to Roger, but yeah.”
    You guys must be trying to educate each other OR, could it be just your way of mocking? :-D

     
  35. Bart Shavitz

    August 23, 2015 at 2:31 AM

    hEnRy
    @ This is too straightforward and logical to arguing against, so the advocates of the doctrines of men don’t even try. Instead they either flee the scene entirely or wheel out the familiar loud and clumsy devices of dishonest rhetoric.
    HenRy do You mean like this? Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! Isaiah 5:20. You guys should stay in a field where you ARE knowledgeable, e.g. in the secular world of MONEY & HOW TO ACCUMULATE IT, WHAT MONEY IS!! THINGS OF THAT NATURE!! You DO KNOW 99.999% of ALL people are MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THAN ANY OF THIS FRONTIER DARK AGE BACKWOODS BIBLE GIBBERISH!! SOooooo You MAN ANIMALS need not be concerned as you will not lose ANY of your LOYAL Followers. KEEP UMM UP ON THE LATEST IN THE SECULAR WORLD & YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE YOUR TRUE FRIENDS, NOT GOOD TIME FAIRWEATHER FRIENDS LIKE THE SHEEP & GOAT-HERDER BIBLE THUMPERS HAVE!!

     
  36. Bart Shavitz

    August 23, 2015 at 4:06 AM

    Roger,
    @ Speaking of the doctrines of men, I hear yet another non-Biblical doomsday is scheduled for September.
    IF you care to say what you mean by, DOOMSDAY, some of us dummies, who YOU & YOURS call TROLLS, could get a better handle on what you are saying or trying to say. As a troll, to you, I say that something WAY out of the ordinary WILL happen in September & JUST THINK, You may never see anymore TROLL comments again. BUT! The bad news IS, You just might lose contact with your brethren too!! We will see won’t we?

     
  37. Bart Shavitz

    August 23, 2015 at 4:10 AM

    Roger,
    @ However, it could also be that your famous Gag-a-Gimp™ browser addon was either slow in detecting the troll’s latest deceptive username or is now giving a false positive. Best lift the hood and tweak the works! Lol.
    LOL LOL LOL rOgEr!! LOL!! By all means do that!! TWEAK DAT THANG!! LOL LOL LOL :-D

     
  38. Bart Shavitz

    August 24, 2015 at 6:07 AM

    Adask,
    “Shoddy phantasmagoria” is the Old Irish name of an ancient stew made with horse meat and seasoned with a couple of horse shoes with which the horse had been shod. History tells us that the recipe is attributed to Mother McCree.
    Sounds like Henry’s, Roger’s, &, Toland’s CUP OF TEA! No wonder they are familiar with that term

     
  39. Bart Shavitz

    August 24, 2015 at 9:15 PM

    Roger you say to your “Brother” Henry, > That’s funny. I’m not sure who I responded to either.
    Roger the thing FUNNIER than THAT, IS, your RESPONSE! HAHHAHhahahaHAHHAHhahah :-D

     
  40. timmy

    August 25, 2015 at 7:58 PM

    Well, Paul himself said he did things he didn’t want to do, and he didn’t do things he knew he should do. And this was AFTER his spectacular conversion. And I find I suffer from the same condition, in spite of my genuine faith and efforts. So I guess, according to you theocrats, people like Paul and I won’t be there in heaven. So you should be delirious with joy, instead of sour with resentment. Since you’ll have heaven all to yourselves. Just you two and Jesus. Sweet it will be. lol.

    May God have mercy on us all…

     
  41. Bart Shavitz

    August 25, 2015 at 10:00 PM

    TIMmy,
    @ Well, Paul himself said he did things he didn’t want to do, and he didn’t do things he knew he should do. And this was AFTER his spectacular conversion………….Sweet it will be. lol.
    Sorry dear, no bite-umm. AND, please don’t try again. LOOK !! IF YOU WANT TO BE ACCEPTED READ WHAT YOU MUST DO AS WRITTEN IN GENESIS CHAPTER FOUR VERSES 6 THRU 7. OHhhhhhhhhh YES I KNOW!! IT APPLIES TO ME TOO! I KNOW THAT! SO I DON’T NEED YOU TO REMIND ME!!

     
  42. Bart Shavitz

    August 25, 2015 at 10:05 PM

    P S. It IS also WRITTEN, THY KINGDOM COME! NOT THY KINGDOM GO!! THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH EARTH EARTH !! I’M NOT GOING TO HEAVEN EVEN IF I AM ACCEPTED! BUT !!! I DO HAVE “PARADISE” TO LOOK FORWARD TO! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) !!!!!!

     
    • jody

      August 26, 2015 at 6:40 AM

      Here are verses the ” once saved always saved “, and the ” saved by grace so there is no other action required of me ” schools never quote .
      Hebs 6 1-9 1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 with instruction about ablutions, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits. 4 For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt. 7 For land which has drunk the rain that often falls upon it, and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed; its end is to be burned. 9 Though we speak thus, yet in your case, beloved, we feel sure of better things that belong to salvation.

      Hebs 10: 26 For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
      2Tim 3:1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress. 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people.

      James 2 :14 What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. 18 But some one will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe–and shudder.

       
      • Bart Shavitz

        August 26, 2015 at 11:07 AM

        jody,
        I understand your “entire” message & I think I can safely say, I understand your message the SAME way you do, but if not, I DO NOT believe in this “once saved ALWAYS saved” UNTIL I AM, & IF THAT DOES OCCUR. ALSO, I think you know that Paul DID NOT do evil as timmy implies the scripture says. Paul was saying there IS a PULL in him to do evil & he also says there IS a desire in him to do what is right so what he is saying IS he in at WAR MENTALLY. AND IT NEVER STOPS!! UNTIL WE DIE. In the end Paul said, I HAVE FOUGHT A GOOD FIGHT!! WOW!!! DID HE EVER!! I’m sure you are familiar with the things he mentioned he went through. 2nd Corinthians 11:22, I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26 I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers. 27 I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. 28 Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?

         
      • jody

        August 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM

        Bart ,I do not believe in “once saved always saved either , but then again , I have actualy read the bible from cover to cover a few times … not that that makes me an expert …….

         
  43. Bart Shavitz

    August 26, 2015 at 8:42 PM

    jody,
    @ not that that makes me an expert …….”
    I’m not an expert either. AND, there are scriptures I do not YET understand, BUT I do believe I understand what is CRITICAL to know. AND, ANYBODY could IF they really wanted to know. I believe YOU are one who WANTS to KNOW. Then again, it’s not the KNOWERS & not necessarily the DOERS BUT HOW & WHY WE DO what we do! Shalom.

     
  44. timmy

    August 26, 2015 at 9:57 PM

    I do not believe in ‘once saved, always saved’ either. Because it’s not biblical.
    I do believe that justification, sanctification and glorification are all in, of, by and thru Him, start to finish and that I enter into His perfect life and work by grace through faith. Because that is the good news. That is biblical. Anything else is a lie and a deception. I never said we can willfully continue to sin. I never said our works have no bearing at all. I simply keep saying that no one will be saved by their works, or lost by their sins. You are saved by your faith in him, and then the works are the proof that that faith was genuine. They also will correspond to rewards for the faithful. But neither of those aspects have ANYTHING to do with how one is saved from death into life.

    Your essential position is that you are adding to Christ’s work in saving yourself through your ‘perfect, sinless’ life you are now living. That is the height of arrogance and deception.

    There is nothing I can add to His work (in regards to SALVATION, the only issue I’ve been addressing.) There is nothing I can take away from His work by my mistakes. Your focus on self and your leap to despise and revile me (personally) reveals the condition of your heart. And how far far away you are from Him and intimate relationship. All the best to you boys, as you labor away in vain… do ye not remember His rebukes to the legalist Pharisees? They too thought they were sinless, better and had it right. And they thought He Himself was all wrong, and of the devil.

    And here we have the same theology and spirit, even to this day. Sad to say and sadder to see.

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 26, 2015 at 11:22 PM

      tImMy,
      @ I do believe that justification, sanctification and glorification are all in, of, by and thru Him, start to finish and that I enter into His perfect life and work by grace through faith.
      tiMMy,You say faith means BELIEVE in him. You were asked, what does believe in him mean? You say believe in him means, have faith in him. ok tImMy,Tell that to a 5 year old child.
      @ Your essential position is that you are adding to Christ’s work in saving yourself through your ‘perfect, sinless’ life you are now living. That is the height of arrogance and deception.
      TIMMY!! YOU ASSume FALSELY! I WILL DO MY BEST TO OBEY WHAT I KNOW Yahshua/Jesus COMMANDS!! IT WILL BE UP TO HIM IF WHAT I TRY TRY TRY TO DO IS ACCEPTABLE!!
      @ Your focus on self and your leap to despise and revile me (personally) reveals the condition of your heart.
      YOU, TIMMY ARE UNDERSTANDING WHAT I DID SAY ASS-BACKWARDS FROM WHAT I DID SAY & MEANT.
      @ There is nothing I can add to His work…………………………………………”
      TRUE! BUT!! He SET AN EXAMPLE FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM TO FOLLOW! I TRY TO FOLLOW HIS EXAMPLE BY THE WAY I LIVE, i.e, THAT WHICH I DO & DO NOT DO!!! YOU SAY YOU ARE STRICTLY UNDER GRACE WHICH MEANS NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO OR DON’T DO IS ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE IT IS ALLOWED VIA GRACE!! I SAY NO WAY HOSE-A !!!
      @ do ye not remember His rebukes to the legalist Pharisees.
      THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN LEGALISM & LAWFUL-ISM. THE SADDUCEES & PHARISEES WERE MISTAKEN! Yahshua/Jesus WAS RIGHT! HE WAS LAW-ABIDING. I TRY TO BE TOO! FURTHERMORE Jesus SAID THIS regarding the Sadducees & Pharisees.Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. Matthew 23. Jesus goes on to explain what he meant in Matthew 23. TIMMY! IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE THAT OBEYING THE Good “LORD” IS LEGALISM, THIS IS YOUR HANGUP, NOT MINE. IF YOU SAY TRYING TO OBEY THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IS LEGALISM THIS IS YOUR IDEA, NOT MINE! AS FAR AS MY WORTH, I’M NOTHING MORE THAN AN OLD CHUNK OF COAL! BUT WHO KNOWS, I MAY BECOME A DIAMOND ONE OF THESE DAYS. :-)

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 26, 2015 at 11:49 PM

      TIM!!!
      @ . Because that is the good news.
      Nope!! The GOOD NEWS IS THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM/GOVERNMENT OF HEAVEN FINALLY BEING SET UP ON THIS EARTH & WHAT WE MUST DO TO QUALIFY TO BE A PART OF IT. Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.Mark 1:14

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 27, 2015 at 8:09 PM

      Teacher tImMy,
      @ I simply keep saying that no one will be saved by their works, or lost by their sins.
      OR LOST BY THEIR SINS?? Really?
      Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 1st Corinthians 6:9-10
      @ no one will be saved by their works
      Well I do not know what you are saved FROM? Saved FROM WHAT? For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.< WORKS, aka, DEEDS, aka, according to what he has done, aka ACTIONS, etc, Get it?Psalm 28:4 Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.< GET THAT?
      Revelation 22:12 Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. < aka, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be, aka, and my reward is with me, to render to every man according to his works.

       
  45. timmy

    August 26, 2015 at 9:59 PM

    What you are espousing is Judaism/Catholicism/Buddism. Work your way up the ladder to heaven and then you’ll make it… sure.

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 26, 2015 at 11:36 PM

      BIMBO!!,
      @ What you are espousing is Judaism/Catholicism/Buddism. Work your way up the ladder to heaven and then you’ll make it… sure.
      YOU CANNOT EVEN GRASP THAT I HAVE SAID & SAID SO REPEATEDLY THAT I AM NOT GOING TO HEAVEN EVEN IF I AM ACCOUNTED WORTHY & ACCEPTED BY “HIM”. SINCE YOU CANNOT GRASP THAT, HOW CAN YOU UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ELSE I SAY? YOU CAN’T.
      IF YOU BELIEVE THAT TRYING TO OBEY THE 10 Commandments IS JUDAISM/CATHOLICISM BUDDISM, GO FOR IT. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS ANY OF THOSE THINGS! YOU HAVE YOUR WIRES CROSSED! OH YES I KNOW, YOU THINK I HAVE MY WIRES CROSSED. WELL IT’S FOR SURE ONE OF US DOES!! YOU STAY WITH YOUR GRACE BELIEF & I’LL STAY WITH MY BEING OBEDIENT BELIEF. SEE YA “THERE”, EITHER WAY.

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 27, 2015 at 8:17 AM

      tiMmY
      @ “What you are espousing is Judaism/Catholicism/Buddism. Work your way up the ladder to heaven and then you’ll make it… sure.”

      SIDEWINDER! If we do not have any laws to obey, then we do not have any order. The universe operates on laws. The Majority say We are under Grace. By this, they mean, IF we violate ANY law of “God” he “GRACIOUSLY” overlooks our violation & in fact they say grace means we do not break any laws because grace has replaced everything. The result of this kind of thinking results in mayhem, as everybody does their own thing & we have disarray. Who is the Author of Confusion?

       
  46. timmy

    August 27, 2015 at 9:08 AM

    Boy you really do have your wires crossed, friend. Once we believe, He takes over our mind, our heart, gives us His motives…. being ‘born again’. Into new life. His life. And he obeys, he “writes the law in our Hearts”. It is a change from within through the Spirit, not whitewash from without as my own effort. “Can a leopard change its spots?”… a biblical, rhetorical question. Btw, the answer is– no.

    Faith, not works from first to last. Does Jesus break the Law or keep it? If I submit to Him, what will he do when he’s running the show??

    But you leave no room for him, since you gonna do it yourself and show him what a good boy you are.

    You’re correct Bart, I don’t understand why you are “not going to Heaven”. That is the outcome for all who believe- according to Him at least. Now those of us who study the word may have a better and fuller understanding of Heaven, the earth made new, and what it all really is about. (As opposed to cultural fairy tales…)

    I ALREADY have eternal life. It’s not something I”m waiting to receive later. It is gifted to anyone the moment they truly believe and accept His sacrifice for us. What we wait for is our perfect body, and the perfect place to live in forever. But they are coming….

    Peace to all and look to Him to be saved. Not to any man, church or doctrine.

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 27, 2015 at 11:52 AM

      timmy,
      @ “I ALREADY have eternal life.”
      1 Corinthians 10:12, Let the one who thinks that he stands secure take great heed, lest he fall.

       
    • Fifee Tean Wheeler

      September 12, 2015 at 2:24 AM

      timME,
      @ Boy you really do have your wires crossed, friend.
      @ “I ALREADY have eternal life.”
      ok timME for anyone other than you, it is written in 1 Corinthians 10:12, “Let the one who thinks that he stands secure take great heed, lest he fall.” ALREADY SAVED people need not take heed, So, RELAX & let it all hang out!

       
  47. Bart Shavitz

    August 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    SAVED ONE!!!
    @ Peace to all and look to Him to be saved
    Do you think going to the U.S. Naval Observatory to LOOK will help? LOOK TO HIM? Could you be specific on what look to him means other than saying, believe & have faith? This will save me from having to ask you what believe & have faith means. I KNOW I can not do anything on my own BUT!!! I know I MUST put forth ALL THE EFFORT I CAN! “HE” IS NOT GOING TO DO IT “ALL” FOR ME. I AT LEAST MUST TRY TO “OVERCOME.” “God” told Cain, in, Genesis 4:7 “If YOU do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if YOU do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but YOU must rule over it.” < I believe THIS applies to ME TOO! AND, I do believe IF I try with an all out effort "HE" will fill the void/weakness I have with his strength that I believe he will give me to RULE OVER IT!! It IS a lifelong process. YOUR GRACE BELIEF MEANS YOU JUST BELIEVE "HE" HAS DONE EVERYTHING FOR YOU & ALL THAT IS NECESSARY IS FOR YOU TO BELIEVE THAT! SOoooooo We will only agree to disagree. A so called good man or woman who does nothing, is, good for nothing.

     
  48. timmy

    August 27, 2015 at 4:49 PM

    Bart, i would suggest starting with reading comprehension lessons.
    you can use my last post for practice…

     
  49. Bart Shavitz

    August 27, 2015 at 7:18 PM

    Teacher timmy,
    @ Bart, i would suggest starting with reading comprehension lessons.
    What about “understanding” what we are reading comprehension lessons? If we get a good handle on that, then we comprehend comprehension! Once again as far as you saying you ALREADY have eternal life, I guess Paul meant when he said he too “could become a castaway” there was actually not anything to be concerned about as he too was ALREADY saved. 1st Corinthians 9:24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. 25 Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. 26 Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; 27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified. < i.e., become a castaway. Comprende? K-peach-E? :-)

     
  50. timmy

    August 27, 2015 at 10:09 PM

    You are Babylon itself- ‘confusion’. Rewards from works, yes, that verse addresses the outcome for those who are saved by their Faith. Not saved by their works, but rewarded according to them. Can ye not even read??

    “He who has the Son has life.” (A gift, given to those who BELIEVE, not those who WORK For it and ‘earn’ it.) Just so, He who has not the son is dead. Because he has not received the GIFT of eternal life from the Son, which only the Son can provide. There is no other way. Period. That’s why it’s summarized as salvation by grace through faith. The works and obedience are the RESULT of being in relationship with Him. (Fruit, as in a tree puts forth the fruit from it nature.) All other works, such as the Pharisees (who, by the way kept the law ‘perfectly’ as far as outward appearances go) are dust and death. Because they are of man and not from God. Whitewashed graves I believe He called them…

    You constantly mix and blend together verses with entirely different meanings. Some address non believers, some how believers are saved, some describe the results and effects for believers, and some the results for non believers. Just, wow…

    Of course a believer can be lost. Of course we are not to willfully continue in sin. I’ve never said otherwise. You are reactive, and obviously have a warped view of the Gospel. (Literally, the “Good News”. What’s good news about saying you gotta do better, try harder, do it yourself, climb the ladder to heaven…??)

    I would humbly suggest a careful reading of the Gospel of John, and Paul’s letter to the Romans to gain a clear and simple understanding of the salvation issues. The other stuff comes AFTER that. But clearly you do not have that foundation in place.

    TREE = seed, into soil, then root and only then fruit. You seem to have that process totally backwards…

    Your mind is so black and white in its thinking you cannot reason rationally. Where did espouse ‘cheap grace/anything goes’?? Nowhere.

    Let me hazard some guesses: You are divorced or have never been married; you are not actively involved in your church body in leadership or ministry; you have few to no close friends; your children (if you have any) want little or nothing to do with you; you know for certain you are right and everyone else is wrong…. how am I doing?

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 29, 2015 at 4:26 AM

      TeAcHER, TiMmY,
      @ You are Babylon itself- ‘confusion’
      Thanks!! Coming FROM YOU, that IS a COMPLIMENT!!! :-D

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 29, 2015 at 4:42 AM

      ALREADY has eternal life believer, aka, timmy,
      @ Let me hazard some guesses:
      My educated to some degree brain tells me, YOU are A FEMALE, aka a WOMAN! :-D :-)
      That’s ok. My Mother was a woman too. Also, I have 2 daughters. So, I’m not against women. Fact is, I think if a good man has a “good woman”, that is the best thing he could ever experience in this life. :-)

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 3, 2015 at 3:30 PM

      @ “He who has the Son has life.”
      See, & I sincerely hope you understand what is written in John 5:24; &,17:3.

       
  51. Bart Shavitz

    August 28, 2015 at 12:19 AM

    Teacher tiMMy,
    @ how am I doing?
    That depends on what you are trying to prove. Let me ask you this. You SAY you are ALREADY SAVED! SAVED FROM WHAT? It is written that we either will PERISH, OR, inherit eternal life. The only thing I understand about being SAVED IS, SAVED FROM PERISHING. HOWEVER, if I am wrong, tell me WHAT you are SAVED FROM. BUT!! Explain it as tho you are talking to a 5 year old child. I am not one of those high IQ level people. Of course you ALREADY know that. What are you SAVED FROM? OR, tell me what SAVED MEANS. Thanks.

     
  52. Bart Shavitz

    August 28, 2015 at 12:25 AM

    P.S.
    @ You are divorced or have never been married
    I WAS married to a woman that I think WAS THE ANTI CHRIST!! HAHHAHhahahahah HAHhahah Brother Alfred may disagree with me about that tho!!

     
  53. Bart Shavitz

    August 28, 2015 at 12:52 AM

    P.P.S.
    @ Let me hazard some guesses: You are divorced or have never been married;
    That ASSumption has ALREADY been addressed
    @ you are not actively involved in your church body in leadership or ministry;
    TRUE!!
    @you have few to no close friends;
    TRUE!!
    @ your children (if you have any) want little or nothing to do with you;
    WRONG ! They STAY in touch & ALWAYS want to know if I NEED anything. They ARE my friends BUT!! THEY DO NOT LIKE THEIR MAMA !!
    @ you know for certain you are right and everyone else is wrong…
    Nope not at all. I KNOW there ARE MANY THINGS I DO NOT KNOW BUT!! I DON’T KNOW WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE!! HOWEVER, UNLIKE YOU, I AM NOT VERY SMART BUT I AT LEAST AM SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT!! HOW AM I DOING??

     
  54. timmy

    August 28, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    Glad to hear re you kids.

    Saved- a trite expression, but reflecting a vital truth: saved from certain eternal and fully deserved death, (‘snatched from the flames’) into the gift of eternal life.

    As when a drowning person is plucked from the waves by a strong and capable lifeguard. “He saved my life….”

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 28, 2015 at 6:45 PM

      @ (A gift, given to those who BELIEVE, not those who WORK For it and ‘earn’ it.)
      Give a couple of examples of what BELIEVE, & WORK for it means. Please, if you will, don’t give an example that I have to ask you what you mean, e.g., don’t say BELIEVE means HAVE FAITH. Then I will have to ask you what FAITH means. THANKS!!
      P.S. I said previously that there are many things I do not know about. I should have said, there MUST be many things. My experience has been this. The MORE I learn or THINK I have learned the MORE I see how LITTLE I knew. Les Moore will buy that, I think. Anyway it’s scary.The way it’s going for me, I will have to say I really do not know anything compared to what there is to know.

       
  55. timmy

    August 29, 2015 at 8:24 AM

    I assure you I feel the same way. I do cling to the few, basic truths I understand as a sure foundation. I have learned by hard experience to keep things simple, as He did. (That doesn’t mean easy, two different things.)

    This is what I’m thinking… as Paul puts it in Romans chapter 3:

    “Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, wso that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

    21 But now athe righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for fall have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, ithrough the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith.”

    And of course he explains that this by no means does away with the Law. (Ten Commandments in this context- not ceremonial.) The key is that the Law does not and can not SAVE anyone. It has it’s purposes, and lives forever. But we are saved by His ministry of sacrifice.

    If I do well, do I add to what He already did in his life and on the cross and by his resurrection?
    And if (when) I do wrong, do I take away or undo His work for me??

    I think not. It boils down to being Christ centered and focused, and not me centered.

    Of course there is a sanctification process, as you mentioned. But I must be ‘transformed’ by the renewing of my mind (thoughts and motives) as a process over time through the work of the Spirit in my life. If i allow it and cooperate with it. Which as I gather, is the part you’re more focused on- sanctification to throw the Christian term in there.

    I want to restate that I am not advocating liberty to willfully sin. I am simply saying that I for one, have not reached a perfect, sinless totally righteous state yet. But I don’t believe that this means I am not ‘saved’ or cannot go to heaven later. Because the judgment will find me COVERED by His righteousness in faith.

    Interestingly, there are two sets of books opened on that day. And again, they have different functions and effects depending on one’s status- for example: Those who believe and claim His name; those that rejected Him; those that claim His name, but don’t live it out (works) and I think these are the people you are thinking of. Book one- The Lambs Book of Life- simply a list of the names of those who claimed faith in Him. Book two- the works of everyone who ever lived- for those who claim the name, this serves as the evidence of whether they were genuine in their faith, or not.

    For those who’s works don’t match up, He then erases their name from the book of life. (This is clearly explained in scripture.) And they join the lost, who’s works and words will condemn them (not him) as you pointed out correctly.

    Again, nowhere can someone claim heaven by their own works. Only by His. That’s the main concept I think is important.

    If I do legitimately good things, even so then it is because HE works in me. Everything else is dust and foolishness, even if it appears to conform to the Law, or be a ‘good’ thing in the eyes of this world.

     
    • jody

      August 29, 2015 at 9:19 AM

      I truly believe most conflict in doctrine is about misunderstanding of what it means to be saved or to have been saved. The fact is . we are saved but once , from a lifestyle ignorant to the grace power and glory of our savior , that is to say we fallen into the icy waters of sins and ignorance , AND THE DANGERS OF OUR ACTIONS . To be saved , that is to say forgiven , we need a life line ,, That lifeline is the saving grace of the Christ . Once we have been saved , that is to say we have been tossed and grasped the life line to pull us from the dangerous icy waters of sin , and land our feet perfectly upon the deck of salvation , where we then set aside the life ring of our being saved and move forward with our lives , whereas we must take full control and responsibilty of our lives and WE MUST ADJUST OUR LIFESTYLE , ACTIONS AND WORKS to remain in his grace . the scriptures are repleat with references to those who willfully turn away ,that return to the fallen state . The greatest example of this is king David Acts 2: 34 For David did not ascend into the heavens; but he himself says, ‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, 35 till I make thy enemies a stool for thy feet.’ 36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
      Paul even states we are saved from our previous sins , meaning we must adjust our future life accordingly . Do I think if we have a minor slip or fall , after accepting the grace we then perish ? Not if correction in our attitudes , demeanor and repentance takes place . I believe anyone that states after accepting the gift for an extended period of time that they ARE saved truly does not get the full scope of the gospel for in truth we HAVE BEEN saved .

       
      • Bart Shavitz

        August 29, 2015 at 4:17 PM

        jody,
        @ “I believe anyone that states after accepting the gift for an extended period of time that they ARE saved truly does not get the full scope of the gospel for in truth we HAVE BEEN saved.”
        HAVE BEEN? IF we HAVE BEEN, this means, to me WE ARE! Maybe I’m not understanding BUT, what about this scripture? Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. IF they HAVE BEEN SAVED, THEN WHAT DOES SHALL BE SAVED MEAN? I have been saved but I shall be saved doesn’t makes sense. Once again, Paul said he too could become a castaway & he went on to say what he did so as not to be a castaway & he summarized it all when he was at the end of his life by saying, I have FOUGHT a GOOD FIGHT & he on to say what he KNEW THEN was awaiting him, a CROWN of RIGHTEOUSNESS!!
        I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
        Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness 2nd Timothy 4:7-8. “God” BLESS YOUR DEAR HEAR Paul!! This is what I say!! Paul IS SAVED!! Paul WILL BE IN THAT FIRST ‘MAJOR” RESURRECTION!!

         
      • jody

        August 29, 2015 at 10:58 PM

        Well Bart maybe HAVE BEEN was a bad choice of words , perhaps WAS saved would be a better choice of words. However if the scripture says Those who endure till the end will be saved , What is the status of those in the process of enduring , if one must endure to the end to
        be saved ?

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        August 29, 2015 at 11:11 PM

        jody,
        I still may be not grasping what you really mean when you say what you did about King David. YES David did sin AND in some of the worst ways BUT Psalm 51 shows David REPENTED!! As far as David has not ascended into heaven, this tells me that no one goes to heaven when they die. IF there are people who do, then there are also people who go to hell. Rather odd that if anyone goes to either place the resurrections are not needed BECAUSE If I go to hell or heaven when I die how can I be resurrected to be judged to see if I went to correct place? Yahshua SAID, & this was said AFTER Enoch, Elijah, & Moses, anyway Yahshua SAID, “NO MAN HAS ASCENDED TO HEAVEN AT ANY TIME…….” There ARE 3 heavens, “God” The Father, & Yahshua are IN the THIRD heaven & this IS the heaven Yahshua/Jesus WAS speaking of..
        @ Paul even states we are saved from our previous sins
        I SAY WE ARE NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEM IF IF IF WE HAVE REPENTED OF THEM!. There ARE people whose CUSTOM IT IS to transgress the laws of “God”. IT IS A LIFESTYLE. We ALL will transgress once in a while. I think this is due to DURESS,etc BUT IT IS NOT A WAY OF LIFE, CUSTOM, etc. The following scripture applies to people LIKE THAT/THIS! My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins. 1st John 2:1

         
      • jody

        August 30, 2015 at 7:52 AM

        What I am saying is when we accept Christ we are saved and forgiven of our previous sins yet we must live our lives and endure the onslaught of the adversary to gain admittance into the heavenly realm when we leave this physical one. That is what is meant when it is said only those who endure will be saved , I believe it is meant those who have accepted the heavenly gift ( been saved ) and endure the temptations of this world , and live their lives in a Christ-like ( which is what the term Christian means ) manner will be found acceptable to enter heaven .
        What does it mean to believe ? Certainly not to pay lip service with empty verbiage of which our lives do not align To believe with all your heart is to align your life and the essence of your being with the Christ .Sinning one time does not make one a sinner any more than playing golf one time makes one a golfer !
        I would like to read the verse that says noone has ever entered heaven , because it is my understanding to be absent from the physical body is to be present with God , where you remain unless your life has been deemed unacceptable for the heavenly realm you then experience the ” second death ” with is the death of spirit/soul or hell .

        As far as king David I disagree , and I believe the story of king David is totally misinterpreted by most people , and used by satan to mislead people .The story of David is about a man , who after being given a kingdom by God , ten fell into apostacy People who quote the oft quoted statement ” David is a man after my heart ” as a defense for his actions fail to consider theimeline of this statement , which was after David had been made king but before his falling into apostacy ,and his life becoming a shambles , which should serve as a warning to all ! Matthew 7:21 RSV

        http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/7-21.html

        21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
        Matthew 5:19 RSV

        http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/5-19.html

        19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        September 1, 2015 at 7:31 PM

        jody, timmy,
        Psalms 6:8 Depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
        Matthew 23:33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

        Iniquity is more deeply rooted. Iniquity means “premeditated choice, continuing without repentance.” David’s sin with Bathsheba that led to the killing of her husband, Uriah, was iniquity (2 Samuel 11:3–4; 2 Samuel 12:9). Micah 2:1 says, “Woe to those who plan iniquity, to those who plot evil on their beds! At morning’s light they carry it out because it is in their power to do it.” In David’s psalm of repentance, he cries out to God, saying, “Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin” (Psalm 51:2).
        God forgives iniquity, as He does any type of sin when we repent (Jeremiah 33:8; Hebrews 8:12). However, iniquity left unchecked leads to a state of willful sin with no fear of God. The build-up of unrepentant sin is sometimes pictured as a “cup of iniquity” being filled to the brim (Revelation 17:4; Genesis 15:16). This often applies to nations who have forsaken God completely. Continued iniquity leads to unnatural affections, which leads to a reprobate mind. Romans 1:28–32 outlines this digression in vivid detail. The sons of Eli are biblical examples of reprobates whom God judged for their iniquities (1 Samuel 3:13–14). Rather than repent, Eli’s sons continued in their abominations until repentance was no longer possible.
        NOW!!! As far as you & I seeing in an opposite way about David’s FATE, we also have this. 2nd Samuel 12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. < PUT AWAY ALSO MEANS FORGIVEN!! ALSO, ONCE AGAIN, SEE & HOPEFULLY GRASP WHAT IS WRITTEN IN Psalm 51

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        September 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM

        jody,
        @ I would like to read the verse that says noone has ever entered heaven……………………….”
        jody, HOWDY!!! John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man; > No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. ESV. Yahshua/Jesus WAS in heaven with “The Father” BEFORE they somehow (?? I don’t know how) worked out a plan that Yahshua/Jesus emptied himself of his GLORIOUS position, & became born of/from Mary. When I think about this, I shake my head in AWE of WHY they came up with this idea BECAUSE there was not any obligation on either one’s part to do this.

         
      • jody

        September 4, 2015 at 8:54 AM

        @ Bart
        @ I would like to read the verse that says noone has ever entered heaven……………………….”
        jody, HOWDY!!! John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man; > No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. ESV. Yahshua/Jesus WAS in heaven with “The Father” BEFORE they somehow (?? I don’t know how) worked out a plan that Yahshua/Jesus emptied himself of his GLORIOUS position, & became born of/from Mary. When I think about this, I shake my head in AWE of WHY they came up with this idea BECAUSE there was not any obligation on either one’s part to do this.2 Kings 2:1 RSV

        Well Bart I believe that verse must have another connotation , Is there another verse that says no one has ever ascended into heaven ? .

        http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/2-kings/2-1.html

        1 Now when the LORD was about to take Eli’jah up to heaven by a whirlwind, Eli’jah and Eli’sha were on their way from Gilgal.

        2 Kings 2:11 RSV

        http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/2-kings/2-11.html

        11 And as they still went on and talked, behold, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Eli’jah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
        Daniel 4:13 RSV

        http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/daniel/4-13.html

        13 “I saw in the visions of my head as I lay in bed, and behold, a watcher, a holy one, came down from heaven.
        Daniel 4:23 RSV

        http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/daniel/4-23.html

        23 And whereas the king saw a watcher, a holy one, coming down from heaven and saying, ‘Hew down the tree and destroy it, but leave the stump of its roots in the earth, bound with a band of iron and bronze, in the tender grass of the field; and let him be wet with the dew of heaven; and let his lot be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him’;

        Note This verse is in present tense !
        Matthew 11:11 RSV

        http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/11-11.html

        11 Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

        Bart I don’t believe the statement of John 3:13 means that people do not go to heaven ( or hell) upon leaving leaving their physical bodies ( giving up the ghost ) but that no one , meaning no human in their physical form has seen or ascended to heaven then returned . If yeshua is the God of the living ie , Abraham , Isaac and Jacob , then where are they if not in heaven ?

         
      • Fifee Tean Wheeler

        September 12, 2015 at 2:07 AM

        jody,
        @ The fact is . we are saved but once ,
        I agree! I believe this is TRUE! The question IS, WHEN? I have “ALREADY” said what I believe When THIS WHEN IS! I cannot say, at “THIS TIME,” & be honest, that I HAVE fought a good fight. BUT, I can say, I am at this time, trying to FIGHT a good fight. Get the picture? IF I am ALREADY saved, as timmy says he/she IS, then, what do I have to lose by going out & “celebrating” get, let’s say HIGHER THAN A KITE, find a pretty little thing & make WHOOPIE? Heck I am ALREADY saved, so What difference does it make? None that I can see IF I am ALREADY saved.

         
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 29, 2015 at 3:58 PM

      timmy,
      @ . I have learned by hard experience to keep things simple, as He did.
      BUT!! from what you repeatedly SAY, what you say is not simple. It’s HARD TO UNDERSTAND, at least for me. NOW, what follows is what is simple for me to understand.
      “Blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whore-mongers, and murderers, and idolaters, AND WHOSOEVER LOVETH AND MAKETH A LIE.” Revelation 22:14-16. NOW!! For example, There is a Commandment that says, DO NOT COMMIT MURDER. Another Commandment says, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS. Need I say more?

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 29, 2015 at 4:34 PM

      @ Again, nowhere can someone claim heaven by their own works. Only by His. That’s the main concept I think is important.
      AND AGAIN I AM NOT CLAIMING HEAVEN BY MY WORKS. HERE IS WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE & HERE ON THIS EARTH IS WHERE THEY WILL BE RESOLVED!! BLESSED ARE THE MEEK FOR THEY SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH. I GUESS YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THE MEEK. SINCE YOU “KEEP” SAYING YOUR REWARD IS HEAVEN SO I KNOW I WILL NOT SEE YOU “THERE” !!! What did Yahshua mean when he said, Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; John 13:33

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 2, 2015 at 1:01 PM

      @ Romans chapter 3:“Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law,
      This “UNDER” the LAW, IS, MEANS, THOSE WHO ARE SUBJECT TO THE 2nd DEATH “UNDER” THE LAW PENALTY! THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE, BUT THEY DON’T BELIEVE IT BECAUSE THEY SAY THERE IS NO “God” ANYWAY!! THEY ARE PERSISTENT LAW BREAKERS! THEY CALL their way of life/their lifestyle, SURVIVAL OF THE “FITTEST”!

       
  56. Bart Shavitz

    August 29, 2015 at 11:23 PM

    timmy, jody,
    As far as going to heaven WHEN we die.
    For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” John 6:40 < I SAY this applies to EVERYONE who has lived & died IF he/she looks to the Son and believes in him. We should KNOW what BELIEVES in him means by what has ALREADY BEEN SAID! LOOKS TO MEAnS AS PEOPLE "LOOK TO" GOLD & SILVER, etc AS THEIR "ONLY" HOPE/Salvation.

     
  57. timmy

    August 30, 2015 at 9:06 AM

    Ahh Bart, now I see what you are saying. Clever and I am not clever enough to pick up on it. This is a matter that needs great study from most… suffice it to ask where is the Father and the Son right now? In Heaven. And yes, of course what most call “heaven” is actually this earth renewed and restored. I agree with that.

    There is an interim period when we shall go to heaven and be with him- notice that the church returns here with Him, after that period in heaven. Then will we live, rule and enjoy this earth as it was in the beginning… I call it the Restoration Model. Really all that’s happening is a long process of restoring the original order, and proving out the destruction of evil and rebellion to settle the issues forever.

    I agree- no one goes straight to heaven (or hell) when they die. As you imply, if they did, there would be no need of a resurrection or the judgment day…

    All will be resurrected- to face judgement. (The opening of the two sets of books…)
    Then the sheep and the goats will be separated and dealt with accordingly.

    I always find God to be quite logical and it all makes common sense- when we study it out fully and carefully and let the Word speak.

    Glad we can find agreement on much.

     
    • jody

      August 30, 2015 at 12:47 PM

      The last day of the individual or the last day of this generation ? I believe many are confusing spiritual interpretations with carnal . If To be absent from the body is to be present with the lord , and if flesh and blood cannot inherit the things of heaven , how will our flesh bodies be in heaven ?

      2 cor 5 5 He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. 6 So we are always of good courage; we know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.1 Corinthians 15:50 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/1-corinthians/15-50.html

      50 I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

       
      • Bart Shavitz

        August 30, 2015 at 3:52 PM

        jody,
        @ However if the scripture says Those who endure till the end will be saved , What is the status of those in the process of enduring , if one must endure to the end to
        be saved ?
        IF they are hewing the line, they ARE in the process of striving for an end result of being saved, i.e., SAVED! I say this means they will inherit the Kingdom/Government of “God”. From what I see, there are those who, “throw the towel” in, e.g., for Demas, because he loved this world, has deserted me…………………….Only Luke is with me. Get Mark and bring him with you, because he is helpful to me in my ministry. 2nd Timothy 4:10-11

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        August 30, 2015 at 9:20 PM

        @ “…I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
        The Kingdom OF “God” aka The Kingdom OF Heaven WILL BE ON THIS EARTH. There WILL BE SPIRIT BEINGS ON THIS EARTH. There ALSO WILL BE flesh,blood, & bone people on the EARTH at the SAME TIME! This will be during the 1,000 year RULE/REIGN of that KINGDOM OF “God”! NOW! IF YOU “overcome” YOU will have a SPIRITUAL BODY NOT A PHYSICAL BODY & YOU WILL BE ONE OF THE “TEACHERS” DURING THE 1,000 YEAR RULE/REIGN! “… your teachers will be hidden no more; with your own eyes you will see them.Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you,saying,“This is the way; walk in it. Isaiah 30:20-21.YOU can appear & disappear AT WILL! Also, SATAN SHALL BE BOUND DURING THIS 1,000 year REIGN SO SATAN WILL NOT BE ON THE “LOOSE” TO TRY & KNOCK IN THE HEAD WHAT YOU ARE TEACHING. There IS MUCH MORE INVOLVED but I don’t see how it can be thoroughly covered HERE.

         
      • jody

        August 31, 2015 at 9:58 AM

        ” Repent , for the kingdom of God IS at hand ” !!!!

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        September 4, 2015 at 9:28 PM

        Jody,
        Re; Your message on September 4, 2015 at 8:54 AM
        @ Well Bart I believe that verse must have another connotation , Is there another verse that says no one has ever ascended into heaven ?
        @ 1 Now when the LORD was about to take Eli’jah up to heaven by a whirlwind, Eli’jah and Eli’sha were on their way from Gilgal.
        jody I was “fortunate” in that I was not taught, from anybody, what scriptures meant except for ONE thing & that is, Sunday, the first day of the week, is the Sabbath.It was almost impossible for me to accept anything other than that, once I was informed that Sunday was not really the 7th Day Sabbath, so I can imagine how difficult it would have been for me to try to unlearn anything else that “seemed right” when it was really wrong. The truth is, I don’t see how I could have seen anything different. So, I should not expect anybody else to SEE SOME things the way I SEE them. Anyway, think about this. “God” buried the body of Moses himself & hid the body of Moses. If people do not KNOW & UNDERSTAND WHY “God” did this, then to try & explain anything else would be a waste of time. Here is the point. YES!! Elijah WAS caught up into “heaven” BUT!! We need to know that there ARE 3 heavens. The Elohim ARE in the THIRD. Now I KNOW what happened to Elijah. He was taken away & BURIED in a secret place too!. This should bring a smile to your face. Remember Absalom, & how he got caught in a tree because of his long hair? He was also described as being caught up to heaven. It would be more accurately described IF this scripture was translated, A heaven, Check this, 2nd Samuel 18:9 Now Absalom happened to meet David’s men. He was riding his mule, and as the mule went under the thick branches of a large oak, Absalom’s hair got caught in the tree. He was left hanging in midair, while the mule he was riding kept on going. SEE the “MIDAIR”? Now check this translation out. his head caught fast in the oak, and he was suspended between heaven and earth, ESV. Also, and he was taken up between heaven and earth; ASV. Translated also means from life to death. “God” HID his true servants bodies SO AS TO prevent people from WORSHIPING THEM.People have a tendency to do this. MARY should give us a clue doancha think?

        @ 11 Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
        Yes, BUT! This IS when the Kingdom of heaven IS SET UP ON THIS EARTH & IN FULL FORCE & EFFECT. A better rendering would be, He who WILL BE least in the Kingdom………………”

        @ Bart I don’t believe the statement of John 3:13 means that people do not go to heaven ( or hell) upon leaving leaving their physical bodies ( giving up the ghost ) but that no one , meaning no human in their physical form has seen or ascended to heaven then returned .”
        Well, we just see this different. I’m glad that is not one of the requirements to KNOW that will make the difference on whether we will or will not inherit the Kingdom of God, aka The Kingdom of heaven.

        @ If yeshua is the God of the living ie , Abraham , Isaac and Jacob , then where are they if not in heaven ?
        Jesus also regarded death as sleep too! We can be sleeping & still be alive. All LIVE AS AS AS to him, they are alive, just sleeping. If you need the scriptures for this, that say this, please advise.

        One last thing. It is also written that “God” is no respecter of persons. This MEANS he does not show favoritism. NOW, IF, e.g., Elijah, & Moses & some other people DID GO, & ARE with “God” in “heaven” Then “God” IS a “respecter of persons” BECAUSE some others DID NOT! TRY to remember Lazarus. He DID DIE! Jesus resurrected him. REMEMBER? Now I tell ya what. IF I had been Lazarus. I sure would have given Jesus a piece of my mind BECAUSE IF I was in heaven, it would be cruel of him to bring me back to this earth to endure MORE of its trials, etc. IT AIN’T FAIR!! :-D (*_*)

         
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 30, 2015 at 7:52 PM

      timmy,
      @ Clever and I am not clever enough to pick up on it.
      I’m not trying to be CLEVER! I say a lot of things remembering WHAT the scriptures SAY, but I do not insert those scriptures. For example, here is ANOTHER scripture that tells me something that most so called “CHRISTIANS” disagree with. Psalm 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. Another version says, But the meek shall inherit the land and delight themselves in abundant peace; AND, But the humble will inherit the land, and will enjoy abundant prosperity.IF we really understood what Jesus meant when he mentioned PARADISE to the thief on the Cross then we could know WHERE this PARADISE WILL BE! Anyway, I want to be WHEREVER HE IS & NOT WHERE HE IS NOT!! I don’t know IF I will be tho. ALL I can do IS TRY & TRUST & HOPE!! TRY TO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS AS BEST AS I CAN WITH WHAT I THINK I UNDERSTAND. WHAT MORE CAN I DO?

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 3, 2015 at 3:13 PM

      timmy,
      Please tell me the scriptures you rely on that you believe says people go to heaven. Just tell me the Book(s), Chapter(s) & verse(s). No need to include what is written. I will check everything out. Thank you.

       
  58. Bart Shavitz

    August 30, 2015 at 3:24 PM

    jody,timmy,
    The last message from both of you, “at this time” I see as messages that say we ARE TRYING to REASON together. This IS good. I KNOW we will SEE some things different, BUT, NOW, from what you both say, I do not see our differences as being what is critical to know to INHERIT the Kingdom of “God” aka, The Kingdom “OF” Heaven. Kingdom, to me, is also, GOVERNMENT. I believe there ARE “rules” laws, etc. WHERE the “Elohim” ARE. I believe EVERYTHING “THERE” IS in ORDER!. I believe this ORDER THERE, eventually will be the SAME way on this EARTH, EVENTUALLY. I think this IS the KEY, & IF I am correct in what I am understanding what both of you are saying, in pertinent part, the key to anyone being a part of the Kingdom/Government OF “God” IS, as Yahshua/Jesus SAID, > he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. This is what we need to understand, i.e., what his WILL IS, BUT, not debating from the start, what the definition of is, IS! heehaww :-)
    Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever “shall do and teach them”, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your (my) righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case ENTER into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:19-20. Shalom to BOTH of you!!!

     
    • Christian Gains

      August 31, 2015 at 11:05 AM

      (to Bart’s comment to: Jody, timmy, on Aug.30,2015):

      In response, Bart, to your VERY thoughtful, VERY loving and wise post, I TOTALLY agree! But, your quoting Yeshuah/Jesus’s statement: “…he who DOES the will of my Father who is in heaven…”, and then commenting on “…debating from the start…”, gives the impression that “our works” are necessary for receiving SALVATION. Just to clarify…

      My ONLY concern, (and that’s ALL it is, JUST a slight concern), is that it’s clearly understood that it IS Yahwey’s/God’s HIGHEST will, (for a Christian), to understand that Yeshuah, (in that statement), is POINTEDLY guiding us to the PRIME CENTRAL ISSUE: “My Father’s will”; which is most eloquently stated in John 3:16 – 17; Eph.2:8 – 9; I Tim. 2:3 – 6,[esply. verses 3-4]; and II Pet.3:9.

      In other words: It IS God’s HIGHEST WILL that ALL mankind be SAVED. (unfortunately, — due to “free will”; “PERSONAL CHOICE” — many CHOSE to be lost — which Yahwey finds NO PLEASURE in: Ezk.18:32), and therefore, that is the FIRST, PRIME DIRECTIVE for us…lead ALL whom we can to the Son’s promise: “That whomsoever believeth in Him, SHOULD NOT perish, but, have ETERNAL LIFE” [Jn.3:15].

      I felt it important to clarify that our “good deeds” or “hard work”, (while they ARE rewarded, YES!), nonetheless, SALVATION is not a “reward”…THAT is PURELY a “gift of GOD, not of works, least any man should boast”.

      The promise of the Salvation of our SOUL is the gift of Christ, a PROMISE that He gave His life to fulfill. And that promise, can ONLY , be received by FAITH…it can NEVER be EARNED. I’m SURE all 3 of you understand this PRINCIPLE, but, for the sake of some who might not, I felt led to clarify it. God Bless you all!

       
      • Bart Shavitz

        August 31, 2015 at 12:21 PM

        Christian Gains,
        @ I felt it important to clarify that our “good deeds” or “hard work”, (while they ARE rewarded, YES!),
        You need not clarify to me that my hard work, good deeds, etc. in & of themselves obtains my Salvation BUT!! what you MAY be blinded to IS, IF I do nothing to try & PLEASE “God” I WILL NOT
        receive HIS GIFT!!
        @ nonetheless, SALVATION is not a “reward”…THAT is PURELY a “gift of GOD, not of works, least any man should boast”.
        READ MY COMMENTS AGAIN! I NEVER HAVE SAID WORKS & ONLY WORKS GETS THE JOB DONE! You EITHER have not SEEN what I have SAID in THIS PARTICULAR, OR, you just did not “see” what was right before your eyes. Frankly I am WEARY OF YOU & OTHERS CONSTANTLY IMPLYING, (AT BEST) that WORKS mean very little IF ANYTHING!! YOU ARE ALSO MORE OF A GRACE ONLY BELIEVER! ALL ANY OF YOU & YOURS REALLY DO, IS PROD & GOAD, & SMILE $ SMIRK, IN ELOQUENT WAYS under the guise of LOVE & CONCERN !! ( . )

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        August 31, 2015 at 10:43 PM

        Christian Gains,
        @ ???? Bart Shavitz? SOMETHING is wrong here. ???? Bart Shavitz? SOMETHING is wrong here.
        BUT!! Miss Gains! This is not my first Rodeo. My limited Public “School” education says YOU are another “ALREADY SAVED” “BORN AGAIN” “Christian”. Therefore we will debate until DOOMSDAY & DISAGREE ON MOST THINGS!
        @ But, your quoting Yeshuah/Jesus’s statement: “…he who DOES the will of my Father who is in heaven…”, and then commenting on “…debating from the start…”, gives the impression that “our works” are necessary for receiving SALVATION.
        I REPEATED THE QUOTE MADE BY jody in his/her (“I think this IS the KEY, & IF I am correct in what I am understanding what both of you are saying, in pertinent part, the key to anyone being a part of the Kingdom/ Government OF “God” IS, as Yahshua/Jesus SAID, > he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. This is what we need to understand, i.e., what his WILL IS,…………………………………..”
        AFTER THAT, I SAID, BUT, not debating from the start, what the definition of is, IS! heehaww :-)
        I was trying to say, let’s not start off the debate by arguing/debating what the definition of is, IS! :-)

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        August 31, 2015 at 10:53 PM

        Christian Gaines,
        My LAST message to you DID NOT post “completely”. Re: YOU saying, > “???? Bart Shavitz? SOMETHING is wrong here”(< SEE The beginning of your (August 29, 2015 at 2:45 PM message)
        I said, I do not have any idea what this means.
        NOT A WORD OF THIS POSTED ON MY LAST MESSAGE TO YOU!!!

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        September 1, 2015 at 3:54 AM

        Christian Gains,
        my garbled full of confusion message of/on August 31, 2015 at 10:43 PM, that did post is full of garbled confusion because it was out of order & to the extent I cannot explain it! What a mass cycle of confusion it is! BUT!! this is BECAUSE half of it did not post WHATSOEVER & what did, got mixed up with a statement going into another statement as one statement. Just ignore that message from me entirely. I wonder if this mess has anything to do with Toland’s Message on August 14, 2015 at 8:22 PM up above, & Henry’s response right under Toland’s message? I’m not saying it does but they have also called their little invention a GAG A GAM.

         
      • jody

        September 3, 2015 at 7:40 PM

        I agree Salvation cannot be earned it is a free gift , like the song ” I once was lost , and now I am found “.. So Now that I have been saved ( salvation ) from being lost , what do I do with the rest of my life ? . Well , if I continue in sin I will be lost again and be even in a worse state than before I was saved . So I study the scriptures to find what actions I must avoid to remain in good graces ,lest I hold up the son of man in contempt , and there no longer remains a sacrifice for my sins .And what kind of works should I produce ? Good works or bad works ? Because if you are in the world at all you produce works , so what type of works should a Christian produce ? Of course good works as we are to be a light to the world . So the law does not save us , but still we should follow all that we can and all that pertains to us . And good works do not save us because we have previously been saved , yet as Christians we must produce good works .

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        September 3, 2015 at 10:57 PM

        @ I felt it important to clarify that our “good deeds” or “hard work”, (while they ARE rewarded, YES!), nonetheless, SALVATION is not a “reward”…THAT is PURELY a “gift of GOD, not of works, least any man should boast”.
        True. At least I see it the same way butcha know what? I have had a FEW people years ago who did try to help me out in certain situations & I WANTED to REWARD them for doing so. I think if anyone TRIES to obey “God” he wants to reward them too. Actually, obeying “God” brings us everything we could possibly want. We are blessed beyond belief. In a way, this can also be bad because if we start looking at the blessings & no longer have any need for anything or anybody, we are in for a very rude awakening. I KNOW!! Been there & through that TOO! I hope this comment goes through & gets to you without any deletions,etc. shalom!!!

         
  59. Bart Shavitz

    August 30, 2015 at 3:31 PM

    P.S., timmy,
    IF you are the “timmy that came up with “Stamp of Approval Documents” issued by”GovCo” I want you to know that I want “HIS” STAMP OF APPROVAL!! :-)

     
  60. timmy

    August 30, 2015 at 10:00 PM

    I am not.

     
  61. Bart Shavitz

    August 30, 2015 at 11:02 PM

    timmy, “Stamp of Approval Documents” issued by”GovCo” are, Driver License, Registration, Proof of Insurance, Social Security Number, precious papers/documents, like that, aka privilege to exist papers. (*_*)

     
  62. jody

    August 31, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    ” Repent , for the kingdom of God IS at hand ” !!!!

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 31, 2015 at 12:44 PM

      jody,
      @ Repent , for the kingdom of God IS at hand ” !!!!
      jody,YOU know WHY YOU said this. I can only speculate. jody, Do ya think this could possibly mean WHAT IS AT STAKE?!? REPENT & STRIVE TO BECOME A PART OF THE ETERNAL GOVERNMENT OF “God”!! DO YA THINK “IS AT HAND” COULD REMOTELY IN ANY WAY POSSIBLY MEAN THIS? NOW we are back to you & timmy BOTH inserting a scripture here & there that different people say mean different things & IF one is right then naturally ALL the others are not right & of course YOUR understanding is RIGHT NOT THEIRS BUT!! EACH ONE OF THE OTHERS SAYS THE SAME THING! Anyway I’m outta here! GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR GRACE ONLY & ONLY GRACE BELIEFS “FRIENDS”!!

       
      • jody

        August 31, 2015 at 5:28 PM

        I used that quote because, if the Kingdom of God or heaven is at hand , or within reach , then it is not some pie in the sky , distant or futuristic happening .If it was within the grasp of all 2000 years ago , then it is within grasp of all now . We have A CLUE FROM THE LORD, The greatest command of all is to ” love thy neighbor” .Let me tell you a story I heard awhile back .
        At the end of Gods creating all , he brought together his council of angels to determine where to hide heaven . ” Put it in the bottom of the ocean ” said one angel . ” No ” said God ” these humans will eventually make it to the bottom of the oceans and thy will be sure to find it ” . ” Put it on the highest mountain top ” suggested another angel . ” No ” replied God ” These humans are so persistant and clever , I am sure they will eventually find it even on the highest mountain tops ” . Then came the most stunning response from one most ingenuous angel ” Put it in their hearts, they will NEVER look there ! ” . ” That’s It ! ” Done ! ” Replied our creator ” they will never look there ” !
        The Kingdom of God is in our hearts , If you are not within the kingdom of God here and now , you will never enter the Kingdom of God !

         
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 2, 2015 at 4:04 AM

      @ precious papers/documents, like that, aka privilege to exist papers.
      Wooops. I meant to say, PROOF DOCUMENTS that show your privilege to exist has been granted & approved by Gov-Co. Understand Dear TAXPAYER? TAXPAYER!! DO YA UNDERSTAND?

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 3, 2015 at 11:02 PM

      jody,
      Put it in their hearts, they will NEVER look there ! ” . ” That’s It ! ” Done ! ” Replied our creator ” they will never look there ” !
      :-D I think this is because they are HEARTLESS!! HAHHAHhahahahHAHHAHhaha. I should not laugh. Anyway, IT D TROOF!! :-D

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 4, 2015 at 2:35 AM

      jody,
      @ yet as Christians we must produce good works .
      What do you call/say is a good work? Give a clear specific example. Thanks.

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 4, 2015 at 3:02 AM

      jody,
      @ The Kingdom of God is in our hearts , If you are not within the kingdom of God here and now , you will never enter the Kingdom of God !
      Really? Well you have to admit we are NOW in this wretched wicked evil world, I did not say OF it, I SAID, IN IT, SOooooo where would we be if The Kingdom of “God” is not in our hearts? What kind of world would we have THEN? I think you are going on the scripture where yahshua/Jesus said, The Kingdom of “God” is WITHIN YOU. However, we need to remember we only have translations & not the original divinely inspired scriptures, & if we STUDY & RESEARCH what we will find out IS, Yahshua IS the KING of that Kingdom & he was telling those people, the Pharisees he was talking to, that HE was THERE among them, within their MIDST but only in the sense that they were looking at the KING of that Kingdom, i.e.HIMSELF.Consider again WHO Yahshua was speaking to.Do you really believe “The Kingdom of “God” was IN THEIR HEARTS? THOSE PHARISEES WHO CALLED Yahshua, BEELZEBUB?

       
      • jody

        September 12, 2015 at 6:45 AM

        The kingdom of God grows within us when we accept the Christ , repent ( a change of “heart ) and adjust your life to Christian or Christ like behaviors . Of course those who have chosen communion with the devil do not have the Kingdom of God in their hearts !

         
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 5, 2015 at 5:29 AM

      jody,
      @ I agree Salvation cannot be earned it is a free gift , like the song ” I once was lost , and now I am found “
      Between the Devil & the deep blue sea, I din’t find Jesus, that’s WHERE he found me. dat d troof 2

       
  63. timmy

    August 31, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    oh, yes, i have them. i didn’t ‘come up with them’ though.

    Lk 18:8…. “When the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”

    The seal of God is what we need and what will bring us thru. That doesn’t mean some of us won’t be jailed, persecuted, or executed. Because surely some will be. We are only called to be faithful witnesses, to the end… coming soon??

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 31, 2015 at 9:40 PM

      @ Lk 18:8…. “When the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”
      THIS “Faith” IS the SAME “Faith” that Paul said He had fought a good fight to KEEP. I believe there is a LITTLE flock somewhere on earth, who are so SCATTERED, they would be hard to find but they know what that kind of FAITH IS.There are all kindzuh FAITHS! HUNDREDS!! Probably thousands!!
      @oh, yes, i have them. i didn’t ‘come up with them’ though.
      How did you come up with them in the first place to have umm? :-D :-)
      Anyway a poster,Timmy, first mentioned that description & it made me smile & I think it is a superb “definition”.
      @ the end… coming soon??
      The END has ALREADY come for whoever has lived & died. WHEN will your & my END ARRIVE? It is always AT HAND!! “SOME” of The SAME words can mean entirely different things,e.g. LOVE! Alfred Adask LOVES TO WRITE. He writes about everything from A 2 Z, e.g., Abalone fishing to Zoo management. It is amazing how some people take telling the truth about someone as only trying to score brownie points. Ain’t that right hEnRy, tOlaND, rOgEr??

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 6, 2015 at 2:02 AM

      timmy,et.al.,
      @ The seal of God is what we need and what will bring us thru
      We need to let the Bible, the very Word of God tell us what this SEAL, & these marks are,
      rather than going along with the world’s view on it.

      http://www.theseal-ofgod.com/

       
  64. timmy

    August 31, 2015 at 10:12 PM

    Yes, you make some nice points Bart. I have already died and been judged in Him. And I’ve already begun the new life, spiritually at least. They physical lags behind and will eventually catch up…

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      August 31, 2015 at 11:00 PM

      timmy,
      @ I have already died and been judged in Him.
      ok.

       
  65. jody

    September 2, 2015 at 6:48 AM

    Matthew 5:20 RSV

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/5-20.html

    20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

    2 Timothy 3:16 RSV

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/2-timothy/3-16.html

    16 All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
    Since there was no new testament scriptures at the time these were written there can be no mistake where the Christ directed the apostles for training in righteousness !

     
  66. jody

    September 2, 2015 at 7:02 AM

    Genesis 6:9 NIV

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/genesis/6-9.html

    9 This is the account of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God.

    Luke 1:6 RSV

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/luke/1-6.html

    6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 2, 2015 at 1:37 PM

      @ Since there was no new testament scriptures at the time these were written there can be no mistake where the Christ directed the apostles for training in righteousness !
      ——————————————————————————————————————
      Paul says to Timothy,
      But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” 2nd Timothy 3:13, thru verse 17.
      WHAT were the holy scriptures Timothy KNEW of WHEN he was a CHILD? Paul ALSO SAYS THOSE OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES WERE & ARE ABLE TO MAKE Timothy WISE, RIGHT?? Well it seems to me they could make ANYBODY WHO CARED, WISE TOO!? ALL SCRIPTURE INCLUDES THE OLD TESTAMENT TOO!!

      For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you do
      not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?” John 5:46-47
      John 8:56-59, Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

       
      • jody

        September 2, 2015 at 1:43 PM

        I agree brother , well said !!!!

         
  67. Bart Shavitz

    September 2, 2015 at 2:56 PM

    Adask,@ Bart, sometimes I think your comments may be just a tad sarcastic. Or maybe, that’s just me . . .?
    Only going along with what timmy suggested I do. ALREADY SAVED timmy also suggests this Bart, i would suggest starting with reading comprehension lessons.you can use my last post for practice…
    Alfred, since You can only find something to “question” about what I say, & NOT ANYTHING Miss ALREADY SAVED & BORN AGAIN timmy says, I suggest that you go on what she suggests, that is if you have not, ALREADY.

     
    • Adask

      September 2, 2015 at 10:43 PM

      I suggest that you lighten up and take some of the comments you receive as jokes rather than attacks. I wasn’t attempting to belabor your comments. I was merely observing the obvious: you are sometimes sarcastic.

      By the belaboring the obvious, I was also attempting to be sarcastic. My attempt at sarcasm failed since you interpreted it as an attack rather than an attempt at humor.

      You guys are a tough audience.

       
      • Bart Shavitz

        September 3, 2015 at 12:17 AM

        Adask,
        @ You guys are a tough audience.
        OHhhhhhhhhh but to be tough like you. SEE! I do not have your perception, &, your intelligence. I do not SEE some comments as sarcasm. Your message to me was not sarcasm, & neither was timmy’s. I see her comments to me as DIGS & ridicule, not sarcasm. For example, she said, “Well, Bart, you are Anti-christ. You are Babylon itself- ‘confusion’ Bart, i would suggest starting with reading comprehension lessons. Boy you really do have your wires crossed, friend.”
        NOW!! jody & I are “communicating” & see things alike. timmy says to jody, Jody, I can make zero sense out of your post.
        Anyway, THANK GOD WE HAVE Henry, Roger, and,Toland to straighten ALL of us out & keep us in line. :-) :-D (*_*)

         
      • Bart Shavitz

        September 3, 2015 at 5:23 AM

        Adask,
        @ I suggest that you lighten up and take some of the comments you receive as jokes rather than attacks.
        You are absolutely RIGHT!! Good idea.

        @ I wasn’t attempting to belabor your comments. I was merely observing the obvious: you are sometimes sarcastic.
        YOU BETCHA!! SOMETIMES!!

        By the belaboring the obvious, I was also attempting to be sarcastic.
        I still do not see where you were sarcastic. I see what you said as, GOOD ADVICE!

        My attempt at sarcasm failed since you interpreted it as an attack rather than an attempt at humor
        I DID SEE humor in PART of what you said. I see humor in many things you say, healthy humor 2.
        I did not take anything you said as, an attack. Sometimes I just don’t know how to say somethings in the right way so as it will be understood as to what I mean. I know I am not a good writer but I don’t think I am the worst. But, maybe I am.

        @ You guys are a tough audience.
        We have a wonderful teacher & Commander in Chief. I am one of your students. From now on I will TRY to comment as tho you were reading it, Yes, I KNOW you cannot read ALL comments, but I will make believe you are reading mine.This way I think it will help me to be more thoughtful. Shalom!!!!!

         
  68. Bart Shavitz

    September 2, 2015 at 7:49 PM

    jody,
    I KNOW you will SEE this as I SEE it. AFTER Yahshua/Jesus was resurrected, he appeared to his disciples & what follows IS self explanatory. Luke 24:40
    When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.

    He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that Moses wrote about me, & what is written in the Prophets and the Psalms.”

    45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.” < This occurred on the DAY of Pentecost, i.e. "clothed with power FROM on HIGH. YOU, jody, do not have to See Acts 2 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit ……………………………………. Shalom!!!

     
  69. Adask

    September 3, 2015 at 7:47 PM

    The question about “works” seems to depend on whatever intent you have behind those “works”. Did you do your “good works” out of a sense of duty, obligation or even fear? Then your “good works” won’t count for much.

    But, if you did the same “good works” out a sense of love for God and/or man, your “good works” may count for a great deal.

    Did you do your “good works” because you had to? Or did you do your “good works” because you could and voluntarily chose to do them?

    If faith is an expression of love, then it makes sense that “faith without works is dead”. True faith/love is manifested with works. Works motivated by love are evidence of faith. But the same works performed out of duty or fear are without love and therefore “dead” and not evidence of faith.

     
  70. Bart Shavitz

    September 3, 2015 at 9:15 PM

    “God” IS my EVERYTHING!! We, people, have so much we take for granted because it’s JUST HERE. Air, food, water, etc. And although everything is being poisoned, & ALLOWED to be, STILL, I “THANK HIM & several times a day for everything, including a “good bowel movement”. I thank him for EVERYTHING, that is, EXCEPT for those who ridicule, mock, & slander, MY EVERYTHING by what they say & HOW they say it. THIS I do not thank him for, BUT! I do ask for his intervention in their life & MINE TOO & to do what is necessary to straighten ALL of us out, YES ME TOO!. Maybe my thank you’s are only lip service but I still try to let my talk walk. I do things for other people & sometimes to my own HURT. I ask for nothing back & I know better than to do that anyway. HAHHAHhahaha. Know what I mean? This is what I said to jody earlier, in pertinent part, it’s not the KNOWERS & not necessarily the DOERS BUT HOW & WHY WE DO what we do! All I can do is try, trust, & hope. I TRY to keep the Commandments as best as I can with what I understand. What more can I do? I BEG The “Good LORD” to help me understand everything the way he does. But, I can tell you this for certain. If you want to be thought of as BONKERS, by MOST people, understand at least some things the way he does & You WILL be thought of & talked about as being INSANE!! It just does not FIT in the REAL WORLD! Colin will agree to that! The BEST to YOU & YOURS!!

     
  71. Bart Shavitz

    September 4, 2015 at 5:56 AM

    Henry,
    @ I figured you would see it, ’cause you’re a quick-on-the-uptake kinda guy. Actually, I recalled when you amazed everyone by “diagnosing” the petulant childishness that responds to reverse psychology at the other forum, so I guessed it would instantly click as to who I meant here. Lol.
    @ Toland
    @ August 14, 2015 at 8:22 PM
    @ Lol, Henry,
    Henry,Toland,
    LOL!! I hope you 2 men animals & your other man animal friend,Roger will be here until I die or get kicked out cause I love to laugh! LOL LOL LOL! You are not funny you are hilarious! LOL LOL!

     
  72. timmy

    September 4, 2015 at 9:13 AM

    Bart,

    Do you slaughter a lamb and spread the blood on your doorposts? Probably not…
    So you too actually pick and choose what parts of Scripture you choose to follow.

    Or (correctly I would say) the truth is that different parts of the Word have and had different functions depending on time, place, context and purpose.

    The ultimate and highest revelation of Him is in and through His life, and secondly His gospels.
    Everything is subordinate to those and has or had it’s place. But only in relationship to Him and His life.

    Some parts of the Old Testament were only shadows and prefigurements. To the extent that they have been fulfilled in Him now, they are moot. (Entire ceremonial Law, for one example. See Colossians. Not the moral law, mind you, as I know you will agree. But what part of the Ten Commandments is a shadow? None…)

    As the kids would say, WORD!

     
    • jody

      September 5, 2015 at 7:09 AM

      Actualy the slaughtering of the lamb and smearing the blood on the lentil was done once , for the Israelites to avoid one of the plaques put upon the Egyptians before the exodus, which is why they celebrate Passover to this day . We do not slaughter animals as that was a priestly duty TO BE DONE BY PRIEST , The Jews don’t even do that anymore because they have no temple . .We are also told in one of the latter prophets that the Lord no longer finds the slaughter of animals satisfactory ….long before the arrival of the Christ . What I do not understand is how someone can claim faith in someone yet deny thier teachings ! The always give more authority to the writings accredited to Paul than those accredited to the Christ !

      Matthew 5:17 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/5-17.html

      17 “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.

      Matthew 5:18 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/5-18.html

      18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

      Matthew 7:12 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/7-12.html

      12 So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.

      Luke 16:17 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/luke/16-17.html

      17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the law to become void.
      Matthew 5:18 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/5-18.html

      18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

      Matthew 24:35 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/24-35.html

      35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

      Isolating ten commandments was an editorial endeavor as in the original Hebrew witings those isolated as te separated commandments were refferd to as ” The ten words ” So I seriauosly dounbt he Christ was reffering to only ten commands when his scriptures did not isolate 10 commandments but in fact stated everything spoken to mosses was as a command .

      Matthew 5:19 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/5-19.html

      19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

      Matthew 19:17 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/matthew/19-17.html

      17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”

      John 14:15 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/john/14-15.html

      15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
      Luke 1:6 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/luke/1-6.html

      6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
      John 15:10 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/john/15-10.html

      10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love.

      1 John 2:3 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/1-john/2-3.html

      3 And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

      1 John 2:4 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/1-john/2-4.html

      4 He who says “I know him” but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

      Revelation 14:12 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/revelation/14-12.html

      12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

      Like I said , I know I was saved by grace , as I stated earlier , the question becomes what do I do with he rest of my life ,.obediance or disobedience ?

       
      • Bart Shavitz

        September 5, 2015 at 9:49 PM

        jody,
        @ The always give more authority to the writings accredited to Paul than those accredited to the Christ !
        There was a time I was CONVINCED that Paul WAS CRAZIER THAN A LOON!! In fact, I was convinced that what he said was contradictory & one mass cycle of confusion & I almost threw the towel in, i.e call it quits. BUT!!! Our Father WAS CALLING ME & I was inspired, or whatever, to not call it quits. NOW I know & I HAVE KNOWN for a long time that I was trying to understand what Paul said with my BRAIN & NOW I KNOW that no matter what our IQ is, it will not help whatsoever to SEE what Paul was REALLY saying. It IS A HEART MATTER. ALSO!! We do not have the ORIGINAL “INSPIRED” SCRIPTURES & EVEN IF WE DID there would STILL be things Paul wrote we STILL could not understand, “using our brain” & ONLY that. Here’s just one of many examples. It is written in Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;. I did not know what these “ordinances against us” were BUT I knew something is not RIGHT here. For example, it is written in Deuteronomy 6 “This is the command — the statutes and ORDINANCES — the LORD your God has instructed me (Moses) to teach you, so that you may follow them in the land you are about to enter and possess. 2 Do this so that you may fear the LORD your God all the days of your life by keeping all His statutes and commands I am giving you, your son, and your grandson, and so that you may have a long life. 3 Listen, Israel, and be careful to follow them, so that you may prosper and multiply greatly, because Yahweh, the God of your fathers, has promised you a land flowing with milk and honey. < I DO NOT SEE WHAT IS WRITTEN AS BEING AGAINST US, DO YOU? Also, Deuteronomy 30:9 And the LORD thy God will make thee plenteous in all the work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers: 10 if thou shalt obey the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this BOOK OF THE LAW; if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul." NOW, back to Colossians 2:14. Notice that an IT was "nailed to the Cross? Ordinances are plural. IT is SINGULAR. What Colossians 2:14 REALLY means, & it IS a "faulty" translation BUT what this is really saying IS, The 2nd death penalty WAS nailed to the Cross for VIOLATING those ordinances IF We REPENT of violating those ordinances. That IS the IT that was nailed to the Cross.Anyway Paul is MY HERO! I have experienced MANY of the SAME things Paul did by our benevolent gov-co demon possessed/inspired SERPENTS!!! shalom.

         
  73. Bart Shavitz

    September 4, 2015 at 10:17 PM

    timmy,
    Re: Your message on. September 4, 2015 at 9:13 AM
    Dear lady, EVERYDAY I ask my heavenly Father to help me understand things the way he does. I ask him to help me CRUSH my natural enmity against him. I believe we all have a degree of this, just different degrees. I do not care one iota about impressing anybody, especially those who try to make me think I am AN ANIMAL! I do care about pleasing & doing what “God” says is right. I could care less if everybody in this world despised me & laughed at me for wanting to be pleasing in the eyes, heart & mind of my Father & his son, & my elder brother, Yahshua/Jesus. People seem to care what other people think about him/her. I could care less although we all like to be liked & so do I BUT, not at the expense of my heavenly Father & Yahshua/Jesus. When it comes to a conflict of choosing to look good in the eyes of people, OR Yahshua/Jesus, I will choose to look good in his eyes, not yours, or ANYBODY ELSE’S. IF YOU really loved “God” to the degree you should,you would not come up with some of the things you say & especially the questions you ask for IF you truly loved “God” to the degree we should, you would already KNOW the answers. It really does appear that you are looking for a way out of obeying “God” & trying to come up with scriptures that justify your way of believing. LOOK!! IT’S SIMPLE!! IF we TRULY LOVE “God” ENOUGH, we will know WHY he says to do certain things! WE WOULD KNOW about his Holy Convocations, aka, ALL of his annual APPOINTMENTS, with HIM,THEIR PURPOSE & MEANING & I WILL TELL YOU THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS!! YOU DON’T ANYTHING ABOUT THEM. ALL I try to shout out loud IS BE OBEDIENT! BUT!! How can we obey anything we don’t know anything about? YES!!
    I “KEEP” The ANNUAL PASSOVER BUT NO!! I do not slaughter a lamb & sprinkle blood on the doorposts SO the Angel of death will PASSOVER MY “PLACE OF ABODE”! :-)

    BTW!! LOOK at what is happening this month, in the secular world & ALSO, God’s Appointments.
    This IS NOT for you, timmy, but MAYBE somebody will SEE that something way out of the ordinary WILL HAPPEN!! BUCKLE UP!!

    2015 HOLY DAY CALENDAR

    PASSOVER APRIL 3*
    UNLEAVENED BREAD APRIL 4 – 10
    PENTECOST (Firstfruits) MAY 25
    FEAST OF TRUMPETS SEPTEMBER 14
    DAY OF ATONEMENT SEPTEMBER 23
    FEAST OF TABERNACLES SEPTEMBER 28 – OCTOBER 4
    THE LAST GREAT DAY OCTOBER 5
    (* Observed Previous Evening After Sunset)

     
  74. timmy

    September 5, 2015 at 9:08 AM

    You make massive assumptions (incorrect) about what I know and don’t know.

    My point was simply that you DO pick and choose from the Word, when you claim (loudly) that you obey and keep it ALL in its totality. But now you say you don’t (e.g., sacrificing an actual lamb).

    I agree with you in this: If we truly love God, we will know what we should do.

    You continue with your straw man argument that I’m just striving to find ways not to obey Him. I”ve stated several times that if I am in Christ, and He is in me, that I will have His mind, motives and actions. I guess that’s something that threatens your self constructed world of doing it by yourself to present to God.

    Personally, I’d rather trust in and rely on Him and His performance, over my own.

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 5, 2015 at 8:25 PM

      P.S.
      John 6:40
      For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes
      in him ( BELIEVES IN HIM MEANS, KEEPS HIS COMMANDMENTS) WILL have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. < RAISE HIM UP? FROM WHAT & WHERE? HE IS IN HEAVEN AIN'T HE? ACCORDING TO YOU YES!! YOU SAY YOU ARE ALREADY SAVED, YOU SAY YOU ALREADY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE & YOU SAY YOU ARE GOING TO HEAVEN. OHhhhhhhh that's right Jesus said HE, NOT SHE. I get it. Sorry I missed that.

       
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 6, 2015 at 9:53 AM

      tiMmY,
      @ when you claim (loudly) that you obey and keep it ALL in its totality.
      I NEVER said any such thing!!! I SAID I TRY. I also SAID it will up to him IF MY TRYING is considered good enough. IN my message to YOU on August 19, 2015 at 2:53 AM, THIS IS what I SAID in answer to you. YOU said, > >You (meaning me) are living by and trusting in works.” “Yes & No! I am living & trying to obey via my works/actions/deeds AND I am trusting in Yahshua/Jesus that my WORKS will be regarded as good. This will be up to him as to whether they are good, or, not good enough.”

      @ But now you say you don’t (e.g., sacrificing an actual lamb).
      That’s RIGHT!! Yahshua/Jesus WAS the SUPREME Sacrificial LAMB of “God”! “God” meaning MY FATHER!! IF I sacrificed a lamb, THEN this would be an INSULT, AT BEST, To Yahshua/Jesus BECAUSE I would BE SAYING I DO NOT BELIEVE HE WAS THE SUPREME SACRIFICE!! GET THAT? I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT!! Anybody ALREADY SAVED & ALREADY BORN AGAIN LIKE YOU SAY YOU ARE WILL NOT GET IT!!!

       
    • Les Moore

      September 10, 2015 at 2:55 AM

      timME,
      @ Personally, I’d rather trust in and rely on Him and His performance, over my own.
      I get that, & loud & clear!! BUT!! You have also said this “relying on him” means he did everything for us that he said we MUST do. This implies he came to realize none of us, including you, could do what he said we MUST do, i.e., “KEEP” The Commandments. I do not KNOW IF I “Keep” them like I should. ALL I can do is try. I do believe he takes this into account, but, I could be wrong too! Anyway, unlike you, I am not going to say he did everything for me & ALL I have to do is believe & have faith he did. This is straight out of the mind of SATAN to believe such a LIE!!
      As far as YOU saying HE is IN YOU & YOU are IN HIM, & based on other things you have said,
      I think what is IN YOU, if anything, IS A DEMON!!! NO! I’m not SAYING you are demon possessed BUT!! there is no doubt in my mind that you are most certainly HIGHLY INFLUENCED BY A VERY CLEVER DEMON!!

       
    • Fifee Tean Wheeler

      September 12, 2015 at 1:02 AM

      timME,
      @ You continue with your straw man argument that I’m just striving to find ways not to obey Him. I”ve stated several times that if I am in Christ, and He is in me, that I will have His mind, motives and actions.
      IF? IF you are in Christ? Tell a 5 year old child that! All ya have to do is be in Christ & him in you, & I’m sure the 5 year old child will KNOW exactly what you mean & what to do to KNOW what to do &/or what not to do to be in Christ. Just in case the 5 year old should ask you HOW to do that, just say, all ya gotta do is believe & have faith. IF the child should ask, what does faith mean, say, faith means, believe. If the child asks well what does believe mean, just say, believe means, have faith. BINGO!! The 5 years will say, OHhhhh NOW I GET IT! OHhhhh Mommy/Daddy I am so sorry for being so dense. BUT I know now.Just believe & have faith. ok. Now I got it!

       
  75. Bart Shavitz

    September 5, 2015 at 8:02 PM

    timmy
    Let’s summarize
    @ “I would humbly suggest a careful reading of the Gospel of John, and Paul’s letter to the Romans to gain a clear and simple understanding of the salvation issues. The other stuff comes AFTER that. But clearly you do not have that foundation in place.”
    timmy,You made this point very clear repeatedly

    @” I ALREADY have eternal life.”
    ok, Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17……………….. but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Also, See Mark 10:17; Luke 18:18

    @ “you make some nice points Bart. I have already died and been judged in Him.”
    ok

    @ He who has the Son, has life”.
    ok

    @ I’m saying we are counted and seen as being perfect by Him in a single moment because it’s through Christ and His perfect life that is CREDITED to me. It’s called faith.
    ok

    @ What you are espousing is Judaism/Catholicism/Buddism. Work your way up the ladder to heaven and then you’ll make it… sure.
    “Keeping” the Commandments of “God” is not Judaism/Catholicism/Buddism.

    @ Bart, I don’t understand why you are “not going to Heaven”. That is the outcome for all who believe- according to Him at least.”
    Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the Earth. But the meek will inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. Psalm 37:11

    @ To be direct with you, you are not currently headed to heaven,……..
    See Psalm 37:11; Matthew 5:5. I have asked you more than once to tell me why you believe you’re going to Heaven by submitting scriptures but you will not provide any, NOT ONE. I need more to go on than what YOU & EVERYBODY else says. I NEED the SCRIPTURES THAT SAY PEOPLE GO TO HEAVEN.

    @ “Well, Paul himself said he did things he didn’t want to do, and he didn’t do things he knew he should do. And this was AFTER his spectacular conversion.”
    Once again, THIS is what YOU SAY. Paul says OTHERWISE. I will go on what Paul SAID, NOT WHAT YOU SAY timmy. timmy,See 2nd Timothy 4:7-8

    @ “Your essential position is that you are adding to Christ’s work in saving yourself through your ‘perfect, sinless’ life you are now living. That is the height of arrogance and deception.”
    Your arrogant ASSumption is 100% WRONG & YOU ARE SO DECEIVED YOU CANNOT SEE IT.

    @ I have noticed a strong correlation pattern with ignorance, irrationality, argumentativeness and legalism. Perhaps one day you will come to KNOW Him, by FAITH. That’s my prayer for now.
    Know him by FAITH WHO?

    @ Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
    And again you SAY something that needs MORE of an explanation of what you SAY means. YOU NEVER explain anything SO I WILL DO IT FOR YOU! Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17……………….. but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Also, See Mark 10:17; Luke 18:18

    @ “Islam, however flawed, recognizes that God is God and man is his creation.”
    YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY for ISLAM!! If they could guarantee I would have 100 virgins, instead of 75, for sacrificing my life in behalf of their stand I would seriously consider changing FAITHS. :-D (*_*)

    @ Bart, i would suggest starting with reading comprehension lessons. you can use my last post for practice…
    ok

    @ Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God,
    You got that Right!

    @ Personally, I’d rather trust in and rely on Him and His performance, over my own.
    Well as you repeatedly say, Just believe & have faith that he did everything for us & we are covered by his Grace.

     
    • Fifee Tean Wheeler

      September 12, 2015 at 1:13 AM

      @ Personally, I’d rather trust in and rely on Him and His performance, over my own.”
      Well timmy, as you repeatedly say, Just believe & have faith that he did everything for us & we are covered by his Grace.
      Satan AGREES & SAYS YOU GOT THAT EXACTLY 100% RIGHT! You covered! Just continue to believe this. Stand firm on that belief. “Keep” having “faith” in that belief! Simple ain’t it? SHO IS!

       
  76. 01slinky07

    September 6, 2015 at 3:07 AM

    Ive been a bible student on and off since ive been in nappies, & have come to similar conclusions as you on all of those theories. I too saw a link/presentation some time ago relating to the theory that islam is the whore riding upon the back of the beast, as described in revelation. All seems plausible. I believe that for true understanding to be born light, one would have to become familiar with the depths of the languages in which the original texts were written. It certainly is an interesting subject. Particularly when tied in with the other prophecies regarding the devil being in control of the world, & we see the light bearer worshipping illuminati/freemason clans sitting right at top of the pyramid of control.

     
  77. jody

    September 6, 2015 at 6:34 AM

    My point above giving Paul more aurhority than the Christ was as a matter of biblical interpretation , meaning , if the Christ repeatedly implored us to keep the commandments , then to interpret Paul as saying the commandments are no longer valid MUST BE AN ERROR OF INTERPRETATION , since it contradicts the teachings of the son .So many calling themselves Christians Ignore the words of the Christ they claim to have the spirit of . People read these verses ( sometimes just a half of verse , pulled out of context , when each letter was written to be taken in their entirety ) without realizing they are translations from ancient foreign languages.

     
  78. Bart Shavitz

    September 6, 2015 at 8:45 AM

    jody,
    It is easy for “SOME” things to be misunderstood in trying to “communicate” this way. In my message to you on September 5, 2015 at 9:49 PM, I wrote it in such a way, or tried to, as food for thought for anyone who “may” read it. It was not meant in anyway to rebuke, etc., you. I DID think you meant by what you said about Paul, that people took his “writings” to say that SOME people BELIEVE “God’s” law is “nailed to the Cross” abolished, etc. We both know that “some” if not most people do believe this. THOSE people DO NOT want to think about this scripture, where Paul said, Romans 3:31 KJV: Do we then make void the law by faith? Far be the thought:(or, God FORBID) NO!!!,We establish God’s law. Also, when I wrote in all caps, about those “ordinances” > I do not see what is written as being against us, do you? <This could be taken as meaning I thought you did take those ordinances as being against us. I DID NOT mean that whatsoever, I was only asking you, let's say IF you understood like I did that they were not. Like I said, some things can be taken in a way that is not meant to be that way. As I said to Alfred, I am not a good writer. I understand SOME things CLEARLY but I apparently do not know how to put it in writing so as to say HOW I understand it. Btw. Are you familiar with the "Philadelphia Experiment" aka, Project Rainbow? I talked with Al Bielek about 15 tears ago eyeball to eyeball but in all honesty I could not "grasp" what he was telling me. I KNOW it was me not him. Anyway, I have a gut feeling that sometime this month a WORLD EXPERIMENT is going to be attempted. I do believe this "Philadelphia experiment" ACTUALLY OCCURRED, so if you now think I am insane, I sure cannot say you are wrong. BUT you have to give me credit for being honest. Are you familiar with Albert Einstein’s “Unified Field Theory”? Shalom dear one.

     
    • jody

      September 7, 2015 at 1:46 PM

      Phiadelphia experiment I am vaguely familiar with , Einstien not so much . I do not think the law is against us .

      Exodus 15:26 RSV

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/exodus/15-26.html

      26 saying, “If you will diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD your God, and do that which is right in his eyes, and give heed to his commandments and keep all his statutes, I will put none of the diseases upon you which I put upon the Egyptians; for I am the LORD, your healer.”

       
  79. timmy

    September 6, 2015 at 9:17 AM

    Hopefully ye scholars understand the huge difference between the ceremonial law (‘ordinances’) and the eternal moral law (Ten Commandments). To illustrate their difference, one set was INSIDE the Ark, and one OUTSIDE it. One set was written in STONE, and one only on PAPER.

    There is nothing in the ten commandments that is “against us”. You should be able to draw the appropriate conclusions…. hopefully.

     
    • Bart Shavitz

      September 6, 2015 at 10:37 AM

      Enlightened “Angel of Light” aka timmy,
      @ Hopefully ye scholars understand the huge difference between the ceremonial law (‘ordinances’) and the eternal moral law (Ten Commandments). To illustrate their difference, one set was INSIDE the Ark, and one OUTSIDE it. One set was written in STONE, and one only on PAPER.

      “Angel of Light”!!! The Translations (27) of The Holy Bible I have are all words ON PAPER! Also “Angel of Light” The following is not from a SCHOLAR! It is FROM the Bible but it IS written on PAPER!
      Deuteronomy 30:9 And the LORD thy God will make thee plenteous in all the work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers: 10 if thou shalt obey the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this BOOK OF THE LAW; if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.”
      When the Ark is finished, place inside it the stone tablets (10 Commandments) inscribed with the terms of the covenant,b which I will give to you. Exodus 25:16

      Deuteronomy 31:26, Take this BOOK OF THE LAW and place it beside the Ark of the Covenant of the LORD your God, so it may remain there as a witness against the people of Israel. 27 For I know how rebellious and stubborn you are. Even now, while I am still alive and am here with you, you have rebelled against the LORD. How much more rebellious will you be after my death!

      28“Now summon all the elders and officials of your tribes, so that I can speak to them directly and call heaven and earth to witness against them.

      Abraham obeyed all of God’s laws, commandments, statutes and ordinances Genesis 26:5

      Jeremiah 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

      it is written in Deuteronomy 6 “This is the command — the statutes and ORDINANCES — the LORD your God has instructed me (Moses) to teach you, so that you may follow them in the land you are about to enter and possess. 2 Do this so that you may fear the LORD your God all the days of your life by keeping all His statutes and commands I am giving you, your son, and your grandson, and so that you may have a long life. 3 Listen, Israel, and be careful to follow them, so that you may prosper and multiply greatly, because Yahweh, the God of your fathers, has promised you a land flowing with milk and honey.

      Thus, then, these ordinances in their stability are witnesses. But they are inferior witnesses. The noblest revelation of the divine faithfulness and unchangeable purpose of good is in Yahshua/Jesus. And these witnesses will one day pass. Even now they have their changes, slow and unmarked by a short-lived man. Stars burn out, there have been violent convulsions, shocks and shatterings in the heavens, and a time comes, as even physical science predicts, when ‘the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment,’ but that to which they witnessed shall endure, ‘My salvation shall be for ever, and My righteousness shall not be abolished.’ The created lights grow dim and die out, but in ‘the Father of lights’ is ‘no variableness, neither shadow that is cast by turning.’

       
    • Fifee Tean Wheeler

      September 7, 2015 at 3:27 PM

      tiMmY,
      @ Hopefully ye scholars understand………………………………………………………………….”
      I do not see any hope for slithering deceiving sidewinder poison vipers like you & your ILK to ever come to understand that this ain’t my first Rodeo & I gotcha numbuhs! k-peach-e?

       
  80. timmy

    September 6, 2015 at 7:35 PM

    you quoted it yourself! duet 31: the law which was outside the Ark (the ordinances) were AGAINST them. As Paul describes. That is precisely that which was taken care of at the Cross & resurrection.

    The ceremonial law was against us (Colossians). That is why there is a NEW covenant. It replaced or more accurately, supersedes the Old covenant. The core of each was the same- Faith. But the mechanisms changed, due to Christ’s work on earth….

    That is why there is no temple or sacrifice needed now. He was the penultimate sacrifice and we are His Temple.

    BTW, I am a man, not a woman.

     
    • Les Moore

      September 7, 2015 at 4:00 AM

      timmy,
      Re: > (the ordinances) were AGAINST them.
      timmy you are saying Paul made these ordinances depart from the LORD. The Ssrael IS NOT a Nation anymore IF you think this what Paul REALLY WAS SAYING. timmy! YOU are REALLY proclaiming DISOBEDIENCE! SATAN SALUTES YOU & IS REAL PROUD OF YOU!! “CAIN” YA GRASP WHAT THE FOLLOWING SCRIPTURE IS SAYING?!?!?!?
      Jeremiah 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever.

       
    • Les Moore

      September 7, 2015 at 4:06 AM

      whoops, typo. Then Israel IS NOT a Nation anymore if what you think & say is true. BUT!! Israel STILL EXISTS, SO WE HAVE A LITTLE PROBLEM HERE DON’T WE? :-)

       
    • Les Moore

      September 7, 2015 at 10:24 AM

      timmy,
      @ BTW, I am a man, not a woman.
      So I suppose you think by putting your name in all little case letters makes you look humble? :-D

       
    • Fifee Tean Wheeler

      September 7, 2015 at 3:58 PM

      tImMy,
      @ That is why there is no temple or sacrifice needed now. He was the penultimate sacrifice and we are His Temple
      I understand what you are saying & I SEE what you say THE SAME WAY! BUT!! What you ACT like you do not understand IS THIS!!! Animal sacrifices WERE NEVER HOLY!. “God” CREATED “HOLY DAY & CONVOCATIONS”! THESE ARE STILL HOLY! Here is what “God” SAYS ABOUT THE 7th DAY Sabbath! READ IT & WEEP STONE HEART!! The Eternal God says; If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord’s holy day honorable,and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,then you will find your joy in the Lord, and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.” Isaiah 58:13-14
      HERE IS WHAT Moses SAYS THAT “God” SAYS.
      Deuteronomy 4:4 But you who have remained faithful to the LORD your God are all alive today. 5 Look, I have taught you statutes and ordinances as the LORD my God has commanded me, so that you may follow them in the land you are entering to possess. 6 Carefully follow them, for this will show your wisdom and understanding in the eyes of the peoples. When they hear about all these statutes, they will say, ‘This great nation is indeed a wise and understanding people.’
      7 For what great nation is there that has a god near to it as the LORD our God is to us whenever we call to Him? 8 And what great nation has righteous statutes and ordinances like this entire law I set before you today? timmy!! CAIN YA UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS SAYS? SIMPLE AIN’T IT?

       
    • Fifee Tean Wheeler

      September 7, 2015 at 4:03 PM

      tIMmE,
      WE Don’t mean to be ganging up on YA!!! :-) :-D (*_*)

       
  81. Les Moore

    September 7, 2015 at 3:15 AM

    timmy,
    Colossians 2:14 is another faulty translation. Ordinances are plural Right? What was nailed to the Cross? Isn’t the word IT written? Is IT plural or singular. We have County & City Ordinances. Break one of those & see what happens. YES, Some man made laws, aka Ordinances ARE oppressive, BUT NO Ordinance of “God” is. Btw, Abraham obeyed all of God’s Laws, Statutes, Commandments, and Ordinances so tell me why we shouldn’t? See Genesis 26:5
    People say the Old Covenant was superseded by the New because People broke the Old. Alright, if this is true, all the people need to do is break the 2nd, & we’ll be presented with a 3rd, Right? OK, Let’s break that one,& the next one & the next one.The truth is, The New Covenant is a renewing of the Old.

     
  82. timmy

    September 7, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    Why did you change your username?

    The nation of Israel indeed does NOT any longer exist. It was crushed in AD 70 and scattered…. ever heard of the Diaspora? The impostors reclaiming and resettling it now are the Rothschilds and Khazarians, and secondly roundly and fully hate and reject Christ. So that tells you how much they are the people of God.

    You are irrational, and incomprehensible. Paul clearly states in several places the Church (the body of Believers in Christ) is Israel, the people and nation of God, now and forever. It is a spiritual kingdom that will become physical in the future.

    Like your friends and intellectual forebears the Pharisees, you are incorrigible.

    Again I suggest, simply read Romans chapter 1 through 8 three or thirty times, until the truth sinks in….

    His gospel is: Simple, clear, natural, logical and requires no straining of gnats or swallowing camels.
    But it is repulsive to the unregenerated human mind. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned, not intellectually.

     
    • Les Moore

      September 7, 2015 at 9:54 AM

      timmy,
      @ Why did you change your username?
      As a test to check & see if you are really as DENSE as what your opinions say on what the scriptures mean & to see if you have any perception whatsoever about what you reading & understanding what you are reading. So now there is not any excuse for you “ACTING” like you don’t know what some things mean when you are reading them, or, saying things mean the exact opposite of what they really are.
      @ Like your friends and intellectual forebears the Pharisees, you are incorrigible.
      Any ALREADY SAVED BORN AGAIN emissary of The Prince of the Power of Darkness POSING as a FRIEND of Yahshua/Jesus will agree with you. An “incorrigible” man is beyond repentance, incapable of being corrected & yet you suggest I read The Bible. WHY” What for? If I am incorrigible, what purpose will that serve? What you said reminds me of another enlightened “Angel of Light” poster on another blog, with the same mindset as you who said I KEEP committing the unpardonable sin & I need to REPENT!! HahHahhahahahaha OHhhhhhh my poor sore belly! Satan SALUTES you timmy & is REAL PROUD of ya & I can just imagine him saying KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK timmy, SEE YA SOON & I have a great reward for ya.

       
    • Les Moore

      September 7, 2015 at 10:07 AM

      timmy,
      P.S. @ His gospel is: Simple, clear, natural, logical and requires no straining of gnats or swallowing camels.
      I buy that 100%. The difference in what you say is simple, & what I SEE as simple is as follows.
      “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous”. 1st John 5:3. < SIMPLE AIN'T IT? Well it's SIMPLE FOR ME/US TO UNDERSTAND!

       
    • Les Moore

      September 8, 2015 at 4:14 PM

      tIMmY,
      @ “The nation of Israel indeed does NOT any longer exist.”
      OHhhhhhhhhh Really? How ungrateful we have been & ARE! Who cannot see that we are Israelites? Well, at least once upon a time somebody did. Deuteronomy 31:19 Now therefore write ye this song for you, and teach it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel. 20 For when I shall have brought them into the land which I sware unto their fathers, that floweth with milk and honey; and they shall have eaten and filled themselves, and waxen fat; then will they turn unto other gods, and serve them, and provoke me, and break my covenant. 21 And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware. 22 Moses therefore wrote this song the same day, and taught it the children of Israel.”
      Moses did not write the following song, I don’t think he did, but it is food for thought! I hope, for somebody
      All Hail The Power Of Jesus Name (With Lyrics) – YouTube

       
    • Mark Twang

      September 9, 2015 at 12:46 AM

      timME,
      @ “The nation of Israel indeed does NOT any longer exist.”
      Did you SEE the Video? Did you SEE the word Israel in the song, All Hail The Power in Jesus’ Name? That song was written in 1779. Check this out, unless you do not want to be confused with some more FACTS & TRUTH!!
      Excerpt from Thomas Jefferson letter to Walter Jones, 2 January 1814
      These are my opinions of General Washington, which I would vouch at the judgment seat of god, having been formed on an acquaintance of 30. years. I served with him in the Virginia legislature from 1769. to the revolutionary war, and again a short time in Congress until he left us to take command of the army. during the war and after it we corresponded occasionally, and in the 4. years of my continuance in the office of Secretary of state, our intercourse was daily, confidential and cordial. after I retired from that office great and malignant pains were taken by our Federal-monarchists 7 and not entirely without effect, to make him view me as a theorist, holding French principles of government which would lead infallibly to licentiousness and anarchy. and to this he listened the more easily from my known disapprobation of the British treaty. I never saw him afterwards, or these malignant insinuations should have been dissipated before his just
      8 judgment as mists before the sun. I felt on his death, with my countrymen, that ‘verily a great man hath fallen this day in Israel.’<(a great man hath fallen this day in ISRAEL) my emphasis.
      More time and recollection would enable me to add many other traits of his character; but why add them to you, who knew him well? and I cannot justify to myself a longer detention of your paper. Vale, propriéque tuum, me esse tibi persuadeas.
      Th: Jefferson
      SEE WHERE IT SAYS I felt on his death, with my countrymen, that ‘verily a great man hath fallen this day in Israel, SEE THAT!?!?!?

       
  83. timmy

    September 7, 2015 at 8:11 PM

    Yes, that is ‘the love of God’– a result, the fruit in a believer’s life. Not the cause or root of how one is saved. 1st Jn is written to the Church- people who already believe. And he’s talking about the Ten Commandments, i.e., how we relate to God and to our fellow man. And where do you get the idea that I don’t keep or support them, for those who believe and are ‘saved’….?

     
    • Lance Pearce

      September 7, 2015 at 9:01 PM

      timmy,
      @ And where do you get the idea that I don’t keep or support them, for those who believe and are ‘saved’….?
      I absolutely haven’t the slightest idea whatsoever. I just said what I did kauz I didn’t have nuttin a-yulse tah due! Supp bro?

       
    • Lance Pearce

      September 8, 2015 at 5:44 AM

      timmy,
      @ And where do you get the idea that I don’t keep or support them, for those who believe and are ‘saved’….?
      ALREADY saved!! What do you mean by, SUPPORT? Do you mean like where it is written, REMEMBER the Sabbath, it should have been written, SUPPORT the Sabbath? huh? Izzat whatcha mean? :-D TALK TO ME!! ED-JUR-MUR KATE ME!! SUPPORT!?!????

       
    • Mark Twang

      September 9, 2015 at 1:31 PM

      timME,
      Why will you not answer this question? WHAT are you ALREADY saved FROM? What does ALREADY saved mean? Different people have different answers & they all conflict with each other. What is YOUR answer? You say you are ALREADY saved! WHAT does that MEAN?

       
  84. timmy

    September 8, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    You can look up the definition of support in a dictionary. Since you have changed your username once again, I can only conclude that you must intentionally hide yourself, or you are mentally unbalanced. Or perhaps both. I’m not your “bro”. I have no truck with legalists and Pharisees.

    Get some help. It’s out there.

     
    • Mark Twang

      September 9, 2015 at 1:01 AM

      @ Get some help. It’s out there.
      I thought you were here to “help lil ol lost, not saved yet me”? You sure know how to devastate someone. I think you are trying to devour lil ol not yet born again me. Are you really that hungry? CAINcha wait until I am least born? You wouldn’t like me. I’m too TOUGH, & hard to chew. You need something tender.

       
  85. Mark Twang

    September 9, 2015 at 2:52 PM

    Thomas Jefferson to Walter Jones, 2 January 1814 – Founders Online
    The biblical quote, verily a great man hath fallen this day in israel, is in 2 Samuel
    3.38. vale, propriéque tuum, me esse tibi persuadeas: “Farewell, be assured I …
    http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/03-07-02-0052

     
  86. timmy

    September 10, 2015 at 10:32 AM

    “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.”

     
    • Lance Pearce

      September 11, 2015 at 8:04 PM

      Most People who CLAIM they are “Christians” are only going to accept what FITS into their High IQ 5 FINITE senses BRILLIANT minds when it comes to accepting some things which can only be spiritually discerned. If I say anything & it just doesn’t quite FIT into your ALREADY saved & BORN AGAIN, YOU THINK, mind, the I am WHAT? Well as YOU say, AntiChrist. Yes indeed timmy. Trust The Messiah who kept the Law in your/my place. That’s called “the gospel of grace!”
      Yeah Right timmy and While I’m kicking you in your hindquarters, no need for you to say Father forgive him for he does not understand what he is doing. NO, this is not necessary because if you do I ‘ll just say HEY timmy I’M UNDER GRACE BUBBA SHUT THE HELL UP! timmy I TRUST IN THE MESSIAH WHO KEPT THE LAW IN MY PLACE. SO SHUT IT UP!! IT’S NOT NECESSARY FOR YOU TO ASK THE Father TO FORGIVE ME!! I’M NOT UNDER THE OBLIGATION TO OBEY ANY LAW BECAUSE AS YOU SAY timmy, I’M UNDER GRACE SO I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT TO!! DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAID timmy? IF YOU DO, BEND OVER AGAIN & GET READY FOR ANOTHER GOOD KICK IN THE REAR!!
      YES, WE WILL BE SAVED BY GRACE IF WE QUALIFY TO RECEIVE GRACE, BUT!!! THE GRACE ANYONE WILL RECEIVE, WILL BE BASED ON OUR WORKS !!! THIS IS IS IS IS IS IS WHAT “God” SAYS, NOT I !!! GOOD BYE!! ALL OF YOU REPROBATES WHO SAY YOU ARE CHRISTIANS! YO TALK DON’T WALK!!!!

       
    • Fifee Tean Wheeler

      September 11, 2015 at 8:54 PM

      @ Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.”
      You mocking, haughty, high-minded,superficial, shallow, ALREADY saved REPROBATE!! I do not “SUPPORT” YOU!!! MOCKER!! NONE OF “US” DO!!!

       
    • jody

      September 12, 2015 at 6:48 AM

      Timmy are you claiming to be a prophet ????

       
  87. Les Moore

    September 11, 2015 at 12:26 AM

    So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.
    What are you trying to prove timME?

     
  88. jody

    September 12, 2015 at 7:15 AM

    @ Fifee Tean Wheeler

    September 12, 2015 at 2:07 AM

    jody,
    @ The fact is . we are saved but once ,
    I agree! I believe this is TRUE! The question IS, WHEN? I have “ALREADY” said what I believe When THIS WHEN IS! I cannot say, at “THIS TIME,” & be honest, that I HAVE fought a good fight. BUT, I can say, I am at this time, trying to FIGHT a good fight. Get the picture? IF I am ALREADY saved, as timmy says he/she IS, then, what do I have to lose by going out & “celebrating” get, let’s say HIGHER THAN A KITE, find a pretty little thing & make WHOOPIE? Heck I am ALREADY saved, so What difference does it make? None that I can see IF I am ALREADY saved.

    I Was saved when I recognised a detriment in my human condition , accepted the Christ as my salvation AND BEGAN TO ADJUST MY LIFE TO A DIRECTION LED BY HIS DIRECTION, TEACHINGS AND SPIRIT . Do I believe all the work was done at that point in time ? NO ! As I must then endeavor to become Christ like , which is what the word Christian means , in my endeavors and demeanor . How do I learn to become Christ like ? By diligently reading and studying the scriptures and adjusting my behaviors to align with them , and be learning to be led by the Christ spirit . Does that mean I cannot falter and return once again to being lost ? ABSOLUTLY NOT ” There is always the danger for anyone living in this physical realm to return to sin and or apostacy .

    Hebs 6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 with instruction about ablutions, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits. 4 For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt.

    Hebs 10 : 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful; 24 and let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, 25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. 26 For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace?

    Therefore , I believe it is my responsibility to maintain my salvation , or my having been saved , through diligent efforts in adherance to the biblical teachings in order to fend off the enticements of the adversary in this physical realm .

     
    • Dea Lawman

      September 12, 2015 at 7:06 PM

      @ I Was saved
      Then You must know the answer to this question. Is it possible to become, unsaved?

       
      • jody

        September 13, 2015 at 8:26 AM

        I am not trying to make it look like you said something I said, I was trying to respond to your question to me but there was no reply tab for your question at the diologue box , so I copied and pasted it so you would know it was for your question . Is it possible the become ” unsaved ” ?

        Hebs 6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 with instruction about ablutions, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits. 4 For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt.

        Hebs 10 : 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful; 24 and let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, 25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. 26 For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace?

         
    • jody

      September 15, 2015 at 7:00 AM

      I believe I cut and pasted the question because there was no reply button in the dialogue box I was responding to that was asking me the question , this blog is difficult to navigate at times and difficult to find older posts .

       
    • jody

      September 15, 2015 at 7:06 AM

      Only the first paragraph was cut and pasted to show who my response was to , the rest of this is me speaking .

      jody

      September 12, 2015 at 7:15 AM
      @ Fifee Tean Wheeler

      September 12, 2015 at 2:07 AM

      jody,
      @ The fact is . we are saved but once ,
      I agree! I believe this is TRUE! The question IS, WHEN? I have “ALREADY” said what I believe When THIS WHEN IS! I cannot say, at “THIS TIME,” & be honest, that I HAVE fought a good fight. BUT, I can say, I am at this time, trying to FIGHT a good fight. Get the picture? IF I am ALREADY saved, as timmy says he/she IS, then, what do I have to lose by going out & “celebrating” get, let’s say HIGHER THAN A KITE, find a pretty little thing & make WHOOPIE? Heck I am ALREADY saved, so What difference does it make? None that I can see IF I am ALREADY saved.

      To the above Question I ( Jody ) respond , I Was saved when I recognised a detriment in my human condition , accepted the Christ as my salvation AND BEGAN TO ADJUST MY LIFE TO A DIRECTION LED BY HIS DIRECTION, TEACHINGS AND SPIRIT . Do I believe all the work was done at that point in time ? NO ! As I must then endeavor to become Christ like , which is what the word Christian means , in my endeavors and demeanor . How do I learn to become Christ like ? By diligently reading and studying the scriptures and adjusting my behaviors to align with them , and be learning to be led by the Christ spirit . Does that mean I cannot falter and return once again to being lost ? ABSOLUTLY NOT ” There is always the danger for anyone living in this physical realm to return to sin and or apostacy .

      Hebs 6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 with instruction about ablutions, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits. 4 For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt.

      Hebs 10 : 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful; 24 and let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, 25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. 26 For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace?

      Therefore , I believe it is my responsibility to maintain my salvation , or my having been saved , through diligent efforts in adherance to the biblical teachings in order to fend off the enticements of the adversary in this physical realm .

       
  89. timmy

    September 12, 2015 at 8:05 AM

    I don’t condemn you- your own words, anger, rage and hostility do.

    “Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.”

    So, de facto, you are not one of His Chosen People.
    You’re going to kick my ass? Seriously?? You are ill.

    Additionally, you are incapable of simply reading and reasoning. Please quote me where I espouse “cheap grace”, that we can do anything, etc.?

    You demonstrate all the symptoms of the Pharisees, who react in rage at the message of grace and faith. It’s not too late to repent and be saved.

    Yes, I am a ‘prophet’, as is anyone who speaks the Word. And I have some validation of that in your responses. The same ones you gave Him and His as ever. Hate. Anger. Attack. Self justification. Fear. No Faith, No hope, No Love.

    I don’t put myself up as the example of anything- because it’s all about HIM. And that’s what really enrages you. That it’s not all about you and your wonderful “works.”

     
    • 01slinky07

      September 12, 2015 at 8:18 AM

      It is ultimately Love that is the answer, as perfectly displayed in the sacrifice by the Christ in human form, as prescribed by YHWH showing divine wisdom. Our role also, @ law, is to display that ‘christlike love’ through those above commented on qualties of kindness, forgiveness, mildness etc.

       
    • Dea Lawman

      September 12, 2015 at 7:09 PM

      @ I don’t condemn you-
      Could you, if you wanted to?

       
  90. timmy

    September 12, 2015 at 8:33 AM

    I agree Slinky.

    As for the others, a dose of the Word:

    “The chief priests and the elders of the people came up to him aas he was teaching, and said, “By what authority are you doing these things, and who gave you this authority?” 24 Jesus answered them, “I also will ask you one question, and if you tell me the answer, then I also will tell you by what authority I do these things. 25 The baptism of John, cfrom where did it come? From heaven or from man?” And they discussed it among themselves, saying, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will say to us, ‘Why then did you not believe him?’ 26 But if we say, ‘From man,’ we are afraid of the crowd, for they all hold that John was a prophet.” 27 So they answered Jesus, “We do not know.” And he said to them, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things.”

     
    • 01slinky07

      September 12, 2015 at 11:09 AM

      Love, love, love, love, LOVE, is the answer. Neither dogma, nor doctrine but love. Beautiful it is that christs followers are passionate about his sacrifice, &:therefore all agree that as imperfect men, need to follow his guidance. Which, with joy, longsuffering, goodness, kindness
      Peace, faith, mildness & self control/temperament are umbrella d by the greatest of gifts Love. Love along with forgiveness are the works highlighted by his life & death to show his & thatll show his disciples. Beyond that, it is neither ‘ up to man, to direct even hus own step’ & ‘ ‘judge ye not one another… ‘ . His imploring would be best highlighted through blogs like this I belive; by his followers building each other up, with their combined love for him, of each other, of their neighbor(brotherhood of man) and ultimately of God YHWH.
      For love is long suffering & kind,; does not get puffed up, does not brag, does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked, nir keep account of injury , it does not rejoice in unrighteousness but rejoices with TRUTH. It bears all things,believes all thing, endures all things. Love never fails. 1cor134–8.
      I would implore each one who believes himself to be a man of God/follower of Christ, to self analyze &maybe even pray about this ‘christlike quality, before exercising mans freewill and displaying anything beyond that ‘christlike’ Duty of Love when posting about the far lesser important matters of the nuances and finer detail of the same laws all posting on that thread are/ or say they are prescribed to? Just a thought!!?

       
      • Dea Lawman

        September 12, 2015 at 7:00 PM

        @ Love, love, love, love, LOVE, is the answer.
        When Jesus said to love “one another” did he also mean, love workers of iniquity? Who are the “woe to you” statements in Matthew 23 meant for today, anybody? If you & timmy say those woe to you statements are meant for people like, Mark Twang, Les Moore, Lance Pearce, etc, Where is the love in those woe to you statements? Why did Elisa call a curse down upon “CHILDREN” simply because they called him, Elisha, “ol baldy” & two bears came out of the woods & mauled 42 of the children, WHERE is the LOVE there? When the Apostle Paul said, God will slap you you corrupt hypocrite, where is the love in that statement? These are just few of the many “unloving” statements I have seen in the Bible. Are you & timmy aware them, or do you disregard them because they do not fit into your LOVE conquers all belief? The Bible says, God hates all workers of iniquity. Are you saying we are supposed to love anything God hates? Why did David say He too hates all workers of iniquity,abhors, & has nothing but hatred for them? Where is the love there? Psalm 139:21-22

         
  91. timmy

    September 12, 2015 at 7:42 PM

    There is a biblical ‘hate’, if you will; hatred for lies and liars, hatred for those who undermine Christ and His Kingdom; true love reproves the wayward firmly, just as Christ reproved the Pharisees repeatedly. Why did he? Because they claimed to represent God and the truth when they were (are actually the opposite- sons of Satan.

    One must distinguish (as I said above) between believers, non believers and those who claim to be believers but are not- they are they synagogue of satan.

    Wisdom and discernment are needed; crude and childish mindsets are the sign of those who don’t know Him and don’t have the Spirit enlightening their minds. Child-likeness is a very different thing, and a good one.

    Why did Christ not reprove the whores and tax collectors and roman soldiers? Because he came to save them, and they did NOT claim to have the truth or represent God. Unlike some of our friends here…

     
  92. timmy

    September 12, 2015 at 9:54 PM

    Because I am civilized and have at least a measure of decorum.

    Why am I obligated to answer inane and repetitive nonsensical questions? You can read all my posts in the thread from the start. This is a replay of the jews harassment of the Lord, and no I’m not equating myself with Him. Endless questions, without ever addressing the points I’ve raised several times. Because none is so deaf as he who will not hear, or so blind as he who will not see.

    Of course I strive to keep the commandments- the eternal moral law, not the shadow ceremonial law. I realize I fall short however… and I expect I may always, until he finishes His work of redemption in me. That is the culmination of salvation, but simply the finish of what has already started… Ever heard this? “You must be born again.” Well, if a baby is born, how many times does it need to again? Of course it could die- that life could end. So, yes, I believe someone CAN be lost after sincerely believing. As you mention, Paul addresses this at length and even included himself as being at risk. As are all believers. But that is a totally different issue and principle than saving yourself by your own works.

     
    • 01slinky07

      September 12, 2015 at 10:51 PM

      Yes; we are meant to have a love for them. Even the lawless wrongdoer has the rite @law to be judged by God alone Let he whome is without sin cast the first stone The christ healed his aggressors ear and admonished his disciples on turning the other cheek when one of the 11 in particular tried to save him from harm. Unless you believe you were born from a life of purity into being ‘saved’ ( & then one wouldnt need such ransom) then christs prophetic message was to love your neighbour, & love your God above all other . The message of love is christs followers to follow.
      God alones role is that of judge, jury & executioner.
      Peace love & mungbeans

       
      • Mason Harrison

        September 14, 2015 at 6:23 PM

        @ “Even the lawless wrongdoer has the rite @law to be judged by God alone ”
        Alone? Then please explain this.John 7:24. “Jesus” says to the” Pharisees” > Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” I take this to mean IF anybody, including the Pharisees are going to “Judge” then do so, with righteous judgment.The problem appears to be, what’s that, i.e. What IS, “righteous judgement”?
        Is It Right to Judge? – Biblebelievers.com
        This verse of Scripture from Matthew 7:1 is often quoted out of context by people
        who are terrified … In John 7:24 Jesus tells us to judge RIGHTEOUS judgment.
        http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Judging.html

         
  93. 01slinky07

    September 13, 2015 at 4:27 AM

    ?? My wicked deeds?? I greet your unfounded ungodly accusations with but Love & forgiveness, for as Christ said. ‘They know not what they do’.
    Peace to you!

     
    • 01slinky07

      September 13, 2015 at 9:51 PM

      Iy seems the post which my response was to, has been addressed by admin & deleted.
      Peace to you

       
  94. timmy

    September 13, 2015 at 9:32 AM

    Let’s leave it to your favorite boy, Paul:

    “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”

    By FAITH. NOT of works. Period. So you have a different system and theology than Paul. Or Jesus for that matter. And that is dangerous, and that is why I’ve taken the time to try to reason with you. To hammer the truth home. But you won’t have it; you don’t want it. And that is why I classify you with the Jews who hated and rejected Him. Because you are of the same ilk.

    Paul’s point is my main point- and all I’m trying to get across. What part of that statement do you “not get”?

    I think you are an obstinate hard-head, who is never satisfied. Who refuses to accept the simplest truths. What part of the simple metaphor of being born (spiritually, a new life, beyond our physical life) can you not understand?

    Perhaps you are addled, or mentally impaired in some way. I recognize that is possible. In which case God will be merciful with you and he will grant you accommodation based on your circumstances.

    But as best I can tell, you are just another “Judaizer” always spoiling for fight, for another argument with no sincere desire to engage and exchange ideas sincerely.

    I’ve looked at your thoughts and beliefs as you’ve presented them here, and I understand them and i reject them and repudiate them fully.

    Prissy feet? Seriously? The man who makes ad hominem attacks shows he has no valid points to make. I’m six-feet 190, in great shape, and I’d wager that I would kick your insulting ass to the next county pretty quick. Let me know if you want to arrange the meeting. (That’s my flesh speaking, I admit. Lord forgive me.)

    Actually, I’ll turn the other cheek and ignore your schoolboy approach. I will call you out as being pathetic however.

    You keep calling me a hypocrite- how can you if you don’t know HOW I live my life day to day?
    Or maybe you don’t know the definition of that word either… as I suggested above, you might want to put in some serious time with a dictionary before engaging in serious debate.

     
    • jody

      September 13, 2015 at 1:12 PM

      ” By grace you HAVE BEEN saved …….” Past tense ! Note the author does not state you ARE SAVED ! Since you have been saved what do you do with the rest of your life ? Live in obedience or disobedience ? Salvation is the gift that ocures when you accept the grace of the Creator and his son the Christ , whether or not you remain in those graces depends upon how you use that gift , In other words your WORKS !

       
    • Mason Harrison

      September 14, 2015 at 6:04 PM

      Re: @ Let’s leave it to your favorite boy, Paul:
      @ Paul’s point is my main point- and all I’m trying to get across. What part of that statement do you “not get”?
      What point is it, you, timmy, do not understand when Paul ALSO says,Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. 1st Corinthians 9:25-27
      AND, What point is it you do not understand when Paul ALSO says, at the END of his life, I have fought a good fight I have kept the faith. It sounds to me like it is a life long endeavour,
      Paul ALSO said, For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. 2nd Timothy 4:6-8.
      timmy, what is it you are not understanding about OTHER things Paul said that express what he meant by PRIOR things He, Paul said?
      @ “For by grace you have been saved through faith.
      A more accurate translation IS, “For by grace you WILL have been saved through faith. HOW? By fighting the good fight, by KEEPING TRUE to “that FAITH”. It is explained above, but we obviously, “at best” SEE & understand “some” things different.

       
  95. timmy

    September 13, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    Ignorance + obstinance = not a good combination

     
  96. 01slinky07

    September 13, 2015 at 9:55 PM

    Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

     
  97. timmy

    October 5, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    “The nature of sin is not immorality and wrongdoing, but the nature of self-realization which leads us to say, “I am my own god.” This nature may exhibit itself in proper morality or in improper immorality, but it always has a common basis— my claim to my right to myself. When our Lord faced either people with all the forces of evil in them, or people who were clean-living, moral, and upright, He paid no attention to the moral degradation of one, nor any attention to the moral attainment of the other. He looked at something we do not see, namely, the nature of man.” – Oswald Chambers

     

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