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Another, Fundamental Spiritual Distinction between Muslims and Christians That Can’t Be Overcome

13 Dec

What can match the pure exhilaration of sinless murder under the guise of Holy War and/or Jihad? [courtesy Google Images]

What can match the pure exhilaration of sinless murder under the guise of Christian Holy War and/or Muslim Jihad?
[courtesy Google Images]

The most important principle in the Bible is seen in Genesis 1:1:

 

“in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”

 

That verse is not simply an introduction to a story similar to “It was a dark and rainy night”.  The first first verse of the Bible is a legal statement of title to property.

The legal significance of that verse is seen in modern copyright and patent laws:  The author, inventor, creator of any new book, article, invention, heaven or earth owns perfect title to his creation and can do whatever he pleases with his creation.  He can ignore his creation, store it in some dusty attic, destroy it, sell it, lease it, or even use it to pick his nose or wipe his butt.  The “creator” owns the creation.

By virtue of having created the heaven and earth, our father YHWH ha Elohiym owns it all.  Because He created the sun, moon, earth and stars, he owns all of those entities and do with those entities whatever He pleases.

Our father YHWH ha Elohiym also created all of the original plants and animals and therefore owns them.  This observation raises some interesting questions about God’s spiritual relation to genetically-modified plants and animals that are not created directly by God.  GMO’s raise questions about the use or intended use of GMOs–are they really foods intended for created-man?  We can even wonder about the spiritual motives of those who “create” new plants, animals, microorganisms that are arguably not created by our Father YHWH ha Elohiym .  But, we’ll save those for another day.

The main point is that our Father YHWH ha Elohiym is God precisely because He Created the known universe.  Without the act of creating the universe, our Father YHWH might be just another big guy sitting on a throne somewhere (Jupiter?  Saturn?) with a few, cool super-powers.  He’d be an interesting anomaly, but without the act of creation, He wouldn’t be God.

It is the act of creation that elevates the “big guy” to the status of “God”.  it is by virtue of creating you and me that our Father YHWH ha Elohiym became our “owner” and “Creator-God”.

 

•  The second most-important principle in the Bible is found at Genesis 1:26-28:

 

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.”

The created-man (not Darwin’s “evolved-man”) was created in the same sense that cows, pigs, sheep and goats were “created”.  But the created-man was different from all other living creations in three regards:  1) the created-man alone is made in God’s image; and 2) only the “created-man” is ordered by his God to “subdue” the earth; and 3) the created-man is given “dominion” over the all other living creatures.

The “God-created man” (not the “evolved man”–homo sapiens–postulated by Charles Darwin) is special unto God because that created-man and his descendants are the only creatures “made in God’s image”.

 

•  I won’t say that this next verse (Genesis 9:6) provides the third, most-important principle in the Bible.  But it might be a contender for that status.

In Genesis 9:6 God speaks to Noah after the flood.  In this verse, we can see some of the created-man’s special, God-given (and therefore “unalienable”?) “rights” and correlative liabilities:

 

“Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.”

 

The reason murder or even assault has been wrong in the western world for at least the past 43 centuries since the Noahide flood, is that every God-created man and woman were “made in the image of God’.  With the exception of a few creatures that are deemed “unclean,” God allows us to kill and eat virtually all other creatures.  But it is a sin, perhaps a mortal sin, to kill or perhaps even assault another man, woman, child or even fetus that is made in God’s image.

According to the God of the Bible, you cannot kill any other men or women unless your victim has first, unilaterally murdered someone else.  Under God’s law, if you murder another man, we are free and even obligated to kill you.  However, if you haven’t murdered another man without cause, we have no right to kill you, assault you or perhaps even arrest you.

The fact that you’re made in God’s image gives you special rights and special protections not shared by other creatures made by God, but not in God’s image.

And note that God did not tell Noah, that the restriction on killing or assaulting other men depended on whether those men were Jews or Christians or whether those created-men had ever seen or even heard of our Father YHWH ha Elohiym.  According to the God of the Bible, you can’t kill or assault any other created-man without cause and presumably having sinned.  Their beliefs were irrelevant.  The primary issue in determining which of God’s creatures could be killed and which could not was whether that creature (creation of God) was or was not created in God’s image.

For 43 centuries in the western world, the primary reason assault and murder have been deemed as wrong, sinful, and criminal is because created-man is made in God’s image.

 

•   Which brings me, finally, to the object of this article:  another fundamental and intolerable difference between the Muslim and Biblical faiths.

The faiths of the western world still recognize (however dimly) that it’s wrong and even spiritually sinful to kill men and women.  If the western world considered arguments of the sort presented in this, it think that most would agree that the historic prohibition against murder was originally justified by the belief that man, and man alone, was made in God’s image.

Now, here come the Muslims who believe they not only can–they are duty-bound to–behead (murder) men, women and children simply because they choose to follow some faith other than that of the Muslims.

Their predilection for beheading people who are not guilty of beheading or otherwise killing others is completely contrary to 43 centuries of of western, Judeo and Christian jurisprudence.

How do the Muslims justify this conclusion?

I’m not a student of the Muslim faith so I can’t begin to answer that question.

But, I can speculate that the Muslims’ willingness to kill even “innocent” people, that I may not find no proviso in the Qu’ran that recognizes:

 

1)  each member of mankind as a man created by God;

2) each member of mankind as “made in God’s image“; or,

3) each God-created man posses special rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness (religions freedom); or,

4) each God-created man as being fundamentally different from any animal that’s not made in God’s image.

 

I don’t know that any of my speculations are true.  But it seems apparent that Muslims do not regard non-Muslims as “made in God’s image”.  For Muslims, the non-Muslims are “goy” (animals) suitable for slaughter without sin.

More, my limited understanding of Muslims indicates that Muslims are just as enthusiastic about beheading other, “heretical” Muslims as they are about beheading Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc.  Insofar as Muslims don’t even recognize each other as men and women made in God’s image, the seemingly view all men (including Muslims) as nothing more than animals (not made in God’s image) and therefore suitable for slaughter.   They might be coming very close to denying that our Father YHWH ha Elohiym is their Creator/God. If so, the Muslim faith might naturally support of the theory of evolution.  This is pure conjecture, but I wouldn’t be surprised if The Powers That Be would welcome a faith that recognized no conflict with the theory of evolution.

As a Protestant, I’m disinclined to view Muslims as “animals” (not made in God’s image).

But who can say?  Maybe this world holds both God-created men and evolved/animal men.

For example, there are some passages in Genesis that some people read to mean that some other kind of “men” (evolved or animal men?) were already present on earth when God created Adam and Eve as men made in God’s image.  If the story of Noah is true and all varieties of “men” were drowned by a flood–except for Noah and his family–if the animal-men were ever here, they were seemingly wiped out by the flood.

 

•  Nevertheless, we can toy with the idea that the Muslim world is primarily populated by “evolved men” (homo sapiens) and are therefore “animals,” while the western world tends to have a higher concentration of God-created men made in God’s image.

The evidence I’ve seen suggests that Muslims at least regard non-Muslims–and perhaps even Muslims, themselves–as no more than animals.  They do not see all men as made in God’s image.  They do not see created-man as entitled to special rights–including the right to live without being beheaded because someone deems you to be politically or spiritually incorrect.

Do you want to live next door to a group of Muslims who regard your sons and daughters as nothing more than animals to be used, abused or even consumed however the Muslims deem appropriate?

Do you believe that your community can assimilate a bunch of Muslims who view people as “animals”?   If so, you’re talking about a group of people whose cultural mentality is something like that of a group to psychopaths who have neither the will or the ability to view you and your family as anything more than meat.

Do you want to live next door to a group of people who, if they were of the western culture might be described as psychopaths–but, being Muslims–are excused from that diagnosis?

The Muslims are crazy.

Their faith and culture is so contrary to that of Christianity that there’s no way we can truly live together as “brothers”.  The differences between the two faiths are too great to allow for any long-lasing accommodations.  Sooner or later, any community composed of both Muslims and Christians will break down into holy war.

Segregation is required.

Again, draw a line. Muslims stay on one side, Christians on the other.

Mixing Muslims with Christians is like mixing gunpowder with fire.  Sooner or later, you’ll have an explosive result.

I want to close by stressing that I’m not trying to make a moral distinction here.  I’m not saying that Christians are right and Muslims are wrong.  I’m not rising to that level.  I don’t need to.

Instead, I’m merely saying that that the fundamental differences between Muslims and Christians are so great that there is no more possibility of the two cultures cohabiting in peace than there is for any other pair of apex-predators.

There may be a time in the future when the lion will lay down with the lamb.  I can imagine that taking place.  I’m probably wrong, but I cannot imagine a time when the lions will lay down with the hyenas.  There is too much difference and animosity between the two predators for them to ever assimilate.

I see the same animosity between Muslims and Christians.  It’s not about right.  It’s not about wrong.  It just is.

The Crusades started in A.D. 1095.  The mutual animosity displayed in the Crusades has waxed and waned for over 900 years.  Sometimes the two faiths seem to get along.  Sometimes there is war.  But, always, in the secret hearts of both sides is the waiting for next chance to slaughter the other S.O.B.s.

 

•  Why does this animosity persist?  Maybe it’s because there’s nothing quite so exhilarating as the self-righteousness of slaughtering your adversaries in holy war.  There’s always some guilt attached when Christians kill Christians or perhaps when Muslims slay other Muslims.  But, in the context of holy war, Christians can kill Muslims as sinless services to God!  And Muslims can behead Christians as sinless service to Allah!  

“Holy war” is like a combat video game for adults–you get to slaughter hundreds of your enemies without ever feeling any guilt, remorse or regret.

OK, OK, OK . . . maybe the “joy of Holy War” is not the real reason why Christians and Muslims seem destined to engage in mortal combat.

But, whatever the fundamental reason may be, if you don’t want to witness or even get caught up in that mortal combat, segregation is required.

If you don’t want holy war in America, stop allowing Muslims to immigrate.

If you insist on allowing Muslims to immigrate, then expect more holy war.

 

 

 

 

 
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Posted by on December 13, 2015 in Bible, Holy War/ Jihad, Muslims

 

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40 responses to “Another, Fundamental Spiritual Distinction between Muslims and Christians That Can’t Be Overcome

  1. BARBARA

    December 13, 2015 at 8:54 PM

    Great writing as usual! Who are you?

     
    • Adask

      December 13, 2015 at 9:07 PM

      What an odd question. I’d have to say that I’m a man made in God’s image and endowed by my Creator with certain unalienable Rights. I’m also the man responsible for writing virtually all of the articles on this blog. That about sums it up.

      Thanks for reading my article.

       
  2. timmy

    December 13, 2015 at 9:51 PM

    Another central principle laid out in Genesis is the seventh-day Sabbath. No, it has nothing to do with Jews- there weren’t any yet. There weren’t even any sinners- the principle is established before the fall. And you’ll note it’s primary purpose: to always remember who the Creator is. The rest part is secondary. Interesting…

    Al, do you believe using Hebrew names gives you some sort of magical power? It’s just another human language, no different than English or Swahili. I don’t think Adam and Eve were speaking Hebrew. Even if they were, it would hold no special advantage. I can see some precision in using it sometimes, in reference to Old Testament scriptures. But the Lord himself spoke arabic on his visit here. Why not use those words and names? Wouldn’t that be even more magically powerful??

     
    • Adask

      December 14, 2015 at 12:58 AM

      My use of Hebrew names for God, the Messiah and the Holy Spirit is intended as a show of respect. But, if the Bible is true, there may be additional power in using those names rather than the commonplace “God,” etc. There are a number of verses in the Bible (Matt. 18:20; 2 Chron. 7:14; John 14:13-14; Matt 21:22; Mark 11:24 etc.) that expressly say or imply that prayers made “in my name” (the name of the Messiah) will be answered. It therefore seems incumbent on all of us to discover what that proper “name” might be.

      If you don’t think you need the proper names to pray, why not “pray in the precious name of Bubba” and see if that prayer will be answered?

      If you don’t believe in the name of “Bubba,” why do believe in the name of “God” or even in the name of “Jesus”? The proper name of “God” is not “God”. “God” is a title, a description but not a proper name. I’m not saying that our Father YHWH ha Elohiym will not answer prayers that are lifted “in the name of God”. He knows what’s in our hearts and may therefore answer any prayer He likes, no matter how imperfectly styled. But if that’s true, He could answer prayers in the name of “Bubba”. Why not search out the true, proper name? Why not use that true, proper name? Why not try to pronounce that true, proper name?

      Everyone is praying “in the name of Jesus” (Gee-zus). If you do a little research you might discover that the “jeh” sound is unknown to the Hebrew language and the letter “J” didn’t come into existence until about six centuries ago. The strong probability is that the name “Jesus” (gee-zus) was not even heard by the Messiah even once during his earthly life.

      So, when John 14:13-14 says, “What you ask in my name, that I will do,” it seems to me that you might do well to discover whatever his proper name might be. What if “God” and the Messiah will not respond to prayers in the name of “Bubba”? What if, when the Messiah says “Whatever you ask in My name, that I will do” he really means HIS PROPER NAME? I’m not saying that’s true. I’m saying it could be true.

      What if, when the Messiah expressly says, “Whatever you ask in My name, that I will do,” he also says implicitly saying “Whatever you ask in some name other than my PROPER NAME, I will NOT do”? I’m not saying that’s true. I’m saying it could be true.

      So, given the opportunity to learn and use the true names of God and the Messiah, why not do so–if only as a token of respect? Where’s the harm?

      I sometime wonder about Matthew 7:13-14: “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”

      The gate to salvation is narrow and “only a few find it”. How many is a “few”? 2.2 billion? That’s about how many Christians there are in the world today. Do you think that all of those 2.2 billion (about 30% of the current world population) are saved or will be saved because they’ve “prayed in the name of Jesus”?

      The Bible doesn’t say, but it’s at least possible that the “few” who “find” the narrow gate of salvation might be much fewer in number than 2.2 billion who currently and expressly claim to be “Christians”. If the number of those saved was a little fewer than 2.2 billion–or even a lot fewer (say, only 100,000)–it would be evidence that praying “in the name of Jesus” was insufficient to gain salvation.

      There could be a host of explanations. We all know that many so-called “Christians” are probably frauds and persistent sinners. That could explain why 2.2 billion is not the number of the “few” who find salvation.

      But what if the fundamental problem is that those worthy of salvation must first “find” the Messiah’s true name? What if “only a few” would-be Christians ever learned the Messiah’s true name? Would that be the qualification for passing through the “narrow gate”?

      I’m not a scholar on this issue and I certainly don’t speak as an expect that anyone should rely on. But. What if the Christian church was perverted back about 400 to 800 A.D. by adopting that the Messiah’s name was something other than his true name? Could praying in a false name be the basis for the “wide road” that leads to destruction (damnation) in Matthew 7:13-14?

      I’m not saying that’s true. I’m only saying that I wonder. More, I’ve been searching for the Messiah’s true name for most of 15 years. I think I may have found it, but I recognize I could be wrong, so I regularly pray for correction.

      What my limited research has revealed to me is that the name “Jesus” (gee-zus) was almost certainly foreign to the Hebrew language 2,000 years ago. It’s unlikely that the Messiah ever even heard the name “Jesus” while he lived on earth. That tells me that “praying in the name of Jesus” may be a significant mistake. The name “Jesus” may be little more than a “tradition of men”.

      On the the other hand, “God” knows what mean, even if you didn’t say it right. Therefore, praying by mistake to a false name might not be a significant error and therefore won’t be held against you.

      Still, why take the chance? Why not make the effort required to at least try to discover the Messiah’s true name? Discovering that true name might do you a lot of good; it couldn’t do you any harm.

       
      • 01slinky07

        December 14, 2015 at 5:29 AM

        A beautiful ecpression of love and respect for the most high! Well versed.

         
  3. 01slinky07

    December 14, 2015 at 12:47 AM

    You made reason & offered good cause for your point, in this segway blog. Segraragation surely is the frugal move for extremist muslims, like the ones it sounds like your speaking of. But not àll muslims can be tarred with the same brush. Theres still active members of the kkk in america, that claim themselves christians, who would hold no values close to most fundamental christian religions, but if every christian were tarred with exactly that brush, how would that socially effect each & individual on a christian spiritual journey?
    Also in your point, im not certain as to your belief as to the point that the christ fulfilled the covenant, YHWH had made with the jews. Christ, by my understanding, brought in a new covenant, which included the gentile nations, so his sacrifice was for ‘all of mankind’, & admonished his followers to ‘love their neighbour as themselves, and love YHWH your God above all else.’ With those instructions, and christs act of healing one of the soldiers ears, that the apostle Paul cut off, when he was about to be arrested and taken away, that doesnt seem to leave much moral discernment needed, in understanding who or whome we can kill. By my reasoning, that would seem their is no room for assault, period.
    There may be fundamental differences, between these 2 movements, the christendom christians, and muslims in general, but i believe the differences, are being pushed,/ highlighted and false flagged, by those few that hold the cards in the real world power play. Here on earth, they are all members of secret society illuminati devil worshipping masonry sects, and whatever sect theyre backing, its all pushing toward a21, nwo, and ultimately, if you look deep enough, those groups/individuals, certainly at the upper levels, are consciously attempting act in a way, that will hurry in the judgement day, called armageddon. Truth, is so much stranger than fiction..

     
    • Adask

      December 14, 2015 at 7:20 AM

      I agree that you can’t tar all Muslims with the same brush. But, if you’re going to live with the Hole In the Wall gang–even though you’re not a gangsters or criminal–you have little basis of legitimate complaint if the Sheriff raids your hideout and you get shot.

      More, the practical necessity of removing Jihad-ish Muslims can’t be frustrated because we can’t tell who are the bad ones and who are the good. They all have to go because their faith and culture are fundamentally incompatible with and hostile to the culture of “freedom” found in the western world, Christendom, and the Christian faith.

      I know that removing all Muslims will create an injustice in many cases. That disturbs me, but it doesn’t disturb me as much as keeping all Muslims, knowing the some are bound to start exercising their faith by killing Christians. Which is the greater injustice? Forcing all Muslims to leave the US or forcing all Christians in America to accept the possibility of being murdered for their faith?

      My fundamental point is that whenever you mix Muslims and Christians, there is going to be injustice. THERE IS GOING TO BE INJUSTICE from one perspective or another. The injustice is inherent in the incompatibility of the two faiths. The injustice is inevitable–unless you keep the two cultures segregated.

      Christians have been fighting against Muslims for 900 YEARS. That’s saying something. That’s nothing like saying that we got into a WWII with Germany for a few years, and now we’re best buds. There are long periods of apparent peace scattered through the 900 years. But, as some wit observed “Peace–the time when we all stop to reload.” There is something intractable in the conflict between Muslims and Christians that NO ONE has been able to properly identify, rectify or mitigate in NINE CENTURIES. I don’t expect to be the first to resolve the problem. I believe that no one, but the Messiah, can rectify that problem. I am simply saying that I don’t see anyone around who is smart enough to rectify the problem and therefore I see no hope that the problem will be rectified.

      Given that the problem cannot be peaceably solved, I believe the most sensible approach is simply to call a spade a spade and avoid or mitigate the potential for violence by segregating the cultures. Draw the line. Muslims on one side; Christians on the other. Segregation won’t solve the problem but it will minimize the violence.

      It’s like telling White people not to walk through the south side of Dallas at 2 AM on Saturday morning. It’s not about right and wrong. It’s about dumb and smart. It’s about practical reality and what IS rather than what we might hope would be.

      All I’m trying to do is espouse ideas that will help keep an unknown number of innocent Americans from dying violent deaths.

      The Muslims will not integrate. They will not assimilate. Sooner or later, they–or their offspring–will engage in Jihad as an act of faith.

      If you want to bring Muslims into the US, you will ultimately help get a bunch of American Christians murdered and/or cause a bunch of American Christians murder a bunch of Muslims.

      The only alternative to that scenario is segregate. Muslims stay in the Middle East, Christians stay in the US. Muslim immigration is like inviting a woman who hates you to sleep with you in your own bed. It’s a dumb idea.

       
  4. Craig

    December 14, 2015 at 3:15 AM

    Why stop with Genesis 1:28?
    Genesis 1:29

    Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.”

    A gift to us from their Creator as well.

    Corporations, .gov’s and other Persons, have no Right to make any law concerning any seed bearing plant on the face of the whole earth. They don’t belong to them.
    It ties in quite nicely with your MOOA argument as well.

    As far as Muslims go, don’t let the .gov daddy use them to keep you scared and under the covers. If you support the Constitution, you support freedom of Religion. The Israelites called their enemies animals and practiced Genocide. Christians called Native Americans Savages and animals and practiced Genocide. No Religion is exempt from being co-opted by .gov to suit its agenda. Our founders knew this. Stand by your Constitution. The first Amendment is not for Christians only.
    Don’t take the bait. Prisons bait black against white against mexican so the few can control the many. Prisoners are ignorant and uneducated and are divided and conquered.
    The goverenment pits blacks against the establishment and maximizes police on black violence, while the media minimizes police on white violence to keep whites for the establishment.
    Don’t take the bait. The establishment and all of its ABC’s are our enemy. Not ignorant Humans of any race or religion, that don’t know they have been classified as animals and set on each other as a distraction from the real enemy.

    It use to take decades to shred their false flag operations. Because most democratic countries have laws preventing offensive action, false flags are necessary for the violent beasts who are drawn to the top of the pyramid scheme of all animal management practices know as .gov’s.
    Ems Dispatch
    Manifest Destiny. faked indian attacks MSM supported Mexico/ California resource grabs.
    USS Maine
    Gleiwitz incident-documented
    Lusitania -conspiracy between UK and US docmented thru FOIA
    Operation Ajax-documented by FOIA and CIA
    Gulf Of Tonkin-completely fake documented
    Now it takes months and weeks
    9/11
    Sandy Hook-completely fake
    Boston

    San Bernardino agenda.

    1. Gun Control. The previous gun control efforts using white males on anti depressants wasn’t working. They are desperate. So they changed tactics. If we can’t confiscate guns because of crazy white US citizens, then we need to confiscate guns because of radical Muslims. The usual MSM suspects were already with their Op-Ed pieces.
    2. ISIS is a boogy man. they are on the mainland. hide under your covers.
    3. The war on ISIS is a US civil war by proxy. warning, if ‘they1’ keep attacking ISIS ‘they2’ will bring the civil war home. (call it opinion- I don’t have time to provide circumstantial proofs)

    Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country. ~~Nuremburg trials.

    See the pattern. don’t get lost in the details.

    Lastly–
    Definition of “to judge”

    (2) to regard (someone) as either good or bad

    If the ability to JUDGE is the ability to discern between right and wrong, then the original sin is JUDGING. Genesis 3:5 Without knowing good and evil, you cannot judge, you can only observe.
    The Muslims are not our enemy.
    John 8:7
    Be Cautious.
    Be Innocent.
    Don’t JUDGE.

    Your Brother in Faith, your student and fellow examiner of .gov machinations.
    Best to you and yours.

     
  5. Dr. Robert Christopher Laity

    December 14, 2015 at 5:27 AM

    EXCELLENT ARTICLE. G-d Bless you Adask.

     
  6. Adask

    December 14, 2015 at 6:36 AM

    Thanks for reading the article. Thanks for the compliment. And, especially, thanks for the blessing.
    Always appreciated.

     
  7. Felipe

    December 14, 2015 at 2:32 PM

    I think the evil-doers have appropriated the Muslim banner. Those that murder in the name of Islam are no better than Christians that murder in the name of the Lord.

    The are criminals, regardless of whatever name, banner, or designation you may want to give them.

     
  8. peg-powers

    December 14, 2015 at 6:05 PM

    Our Father, who art in heaven………..in the name of your beloved Son, the Lamb eternal, I pray.

     
  9. timmy

    December 14, 2015 at 8:16 PM

    Al,
    Not sure whether to laugh or to cry…

     
    • Adask

      December 14, 2015 at 9:37 PM

      Then, I guess you just don’t understand, do you?

       
  10. Andrew

    December 15, 2015 at 2:24 PM

    From a long time reader you always provide a thoroughly thought provoking missive Mr. Adask and this is no different! “Westeners” have indeed been fighting Muslims since Founding Fathers time:

    https://www.truthorfiction.com/jefferson-vs-muslims/

    I find this paragraph most illuminating:
    As it turned out, France and Great Britain benefited from the Barbary pirates, AND THEY MAY HAVE EVEN SUPPORTED THEM (emphasis mine). The State Department’s Office of the Historian said, “The practice of state-sponsored piracy and ransoming of captives was not wholly unusual for its time. Many European states commissioned privateers to attack each others’ shipping and also participated in the transatlantic slave trade. The two major European powers, Great Britain and France, found it expedient to encourage the Barbary States’ policy and pay tribute to them, as it allowed their merchant shipping an increased share of the Mediterranean trade, and Barbary leaders chose not to challenge the superior British or French navies.”

    Seems nothing has changed has it?!?

    I must say that I had not thought of the GMO problem in the way you have framed it here. Thank you for contributing to the expanding of my intelligence.

    May the armor of our Creator always protect you from the enemy.

    Also, I find the comment section most intriguing.You have many intelligent followers.

     
    • Adask

      December 15, 2015 at 2:42 PM

      I’m always pleased when someone understands what I’m trying to communicate. It tells me that my writing works–at least a little bit.

      Thanks for reading. Thanks for your compliments.

       
  11. Oliver Medaris

    December 15, 2015 at 10:41 PM

    Jesus said “Love thy neighbor as thyself. If your neighbor is Muslim???? He even eluded to the understanding that this sums up ALL the Commandments. Those who don’t give this some thought pay too little attention to what was said. think about it before you reply.

     
  12. Adask

    December 15, 2015 at 11:49 PM

    Jesus did not say “love EVERYONE as thyself”. He only advised loving your “neighbor”.

    What do you suppose his definition of “neighbor” was? I doubt that he used the word to simply mean anyone who happened to live next door to you or in the local vicinity.

    I’ll bet that Jesus’ definition of “neighbor” did not include anyone who wants to kill you precisely because you believe in the Jesus who instructed you to love your neighbors . . . rather than the Mohammed who at least implicitly advised that true Muslims behead (NOT love) their neighbors if their neighbors were anything other than Muslims.

    Think about it before you reply.

     
  13. dog-move

    December 16, 2015 at 12:22 PM

    The name of Yahweh…..I have discovered many good reasons for using/invoking that proper name.
    In the many bible translations in my possession, the King James, the New American Standard, and the Septuagint, only the New Jerusalem Bible uses the Name of Yahweh throughout. The NJB is from which I derive my comments from.
    First, in Exodus 3:15 it states clearly “ You are to tell the Israelites, Yahweh, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.” This is my name for all time, and thus I am to be invoked for all generations to come. “All time”.
    Exodus 20:7 “You shall not misuse the name of Yahweh your God, for Yahweh will not leave unpunished anyone who misuses his name”.
    By use of His name there is much power and authority…..there is also punishment for misuse.
    Yahweh goes before us in battle/conflict as Alfred has Lawfully demonstrated in his “man or other animals” conflict, and I might add, given the victory. Joshua 23:10 “ One man of you was able to rout a thousand of them, since Yahweh your God was himself fighting for you, as he had promised you. (Alfred I presume since Yahweh went before you on that battle/conflict, it is proof to myself that the Law of Yahweh is true and correct and you did rout 1000 maybe 10000! True to His promise) Be very careful as you value your life, to love Yahweh your God”.
    Deuteronomy 1:29 “Do not take fright, do not be afraid of them. Yahweh your God goes ahead of you and will be fighting by your side, just as you saw him act in Egypt.”
    It is my understanding of Exodus 20:7 misuse consists of what is written in the Book of Deuteronomy, as this book is a law book of “procedure” if you will and how to use the name Yahweh for oaths and swearing.
    Deuteronomy 5:11 “ You must not misuse the name of Yahweh your God, for Yahweh will not leave unpunished anyone who misuses his name for what is false”.
    Deuteronomy 6:13 “ Yahweh your God is the one you must fear, him alone you must serve, his is the name by which you must swear.”
    Deuteronomy 10:20 “ Yahweh your God is the one whom you must fear and serve; to him you must hold firm; in his name take your oaths”.
    Also Leviticus 19:12 “You not swear by my name with intent to deceive and thus profane the name of Yahweh”.
    It is Yahweh and his Law, you must not swear by any other god, you must know the garment/covering and use the proper garment, Leviticus 19:19 “You must not wear a garment made from two kinds of fabric.” garment; an outer covering or outward appearance, fabric; framework, structure (Laws of The United States of America/ laws of the UNITED STATES). I have come to understand the power in the name of Yahweh from studying the Word , Alfred has also helped me to understand the power behind that name from the many writings here. Yahweh Elohiym goes before the in our struggle those of you who are His.

     
  14. dog-move

    December 16, 2015 at 12:23 PM

    Yahweh Elohiym goes before us in our struggle, those of us who belong to Him.

     
  15. peg-powers

    December 16, 2015 at 5:28 PM

    The promise was given to Adam and Eve (Gen 3). They and their many progeny were required to live by faith in the Father’s promise concerning the future act of total redemption and restoration. The story begins there—-not with Abraham—–and not with Abraham’s language.

    Jesus said “I and the Father are one….He who has seen me has seen the Father…..If I be lifted up will draw all men to myself.” There is no other name under heaven whereby we can be saved.
    The only way to bring about repentance and revival is to preach Christ and His glory.

    In Christ does all the fullness dwell (per the Father), and the Holy Spirit bears witness to this mighty truth. If you have not the Spirit, you don’t know Him. It is the Spirit of God which bears witness with our inner spirit that we are the sons (children) of God.

     
    • John

      December 17, 2015 at 10:34 AM

      I had a foreman who was a Pakistani Muslim. He was happy to teach me about his beliefs. The one thing that impressed me was they believe in the ” eye for an eye, …”. He said that, for example ” if you kill my brother, I must kill you or your brother, or else I must go to hell.” Forgive and forget is not allowed forever. Considering the millions of Muslims that the US has killed or maimed, their next of kin are required to exact revenge.

       
  16. a man

    December 17, 2015 at 5:15 PM

    Babylon happened for a reason … difference is (was) an intent of creation …
    … and segregation, therefor, inevitable.

    anything attempting to [re]integrate would [naturally] be blasphemous.

     
  17. timmy

    December 17, 2015 at 9:53 PM

    How do ya know it’s YAWEH and not JEHOVAH? Same letters in the Hebrew, cuz they took all the vowels out and nobody knows what’s missing. Not even the Jews… Of course I can rely on Jesus famous words: “Just figure out the secret name to call me, and then ye shall be saved…” I forget the exact chapter and verse somehow though…

     
    • Adask

      December 18, 2015 at 1:39 PM

      You might be able to pray to know the proper names of God and the Messiah. I did. For six years. I think those prayers were answered.

       
  18. dog-move

    December 18, 2015 at 1:16 PM

    The Muslims are in the same boat as Christains, they are hated and abhored by the money changers just as the the Christains are.
    If the Muslims and the Christains worked a little harder to follow the laws they ascribe to, Usury Lending would have difficulty moving foward.
    Enslaving your brother to usury is a capital offence in the Old Testament. Ez. 18:13
    Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die;
    Quran 2:275 “Those who charge usury are in the same position as those controlled by the devil’s influence. This is because they claim that usury is the same as commerce. However, God permits commerce, and prohibits usury. Thus, whoever heeds this commandment from his Lord, and refrains from usury, he may keep his past earnings, and his judgment rests with God. As for those who persist in usury, they incur Hell, wherein they abide forever”.
    I suspect both the Muslims and the Christians have to go, and won’t fit into the construct of the pinnacle of this late stage monetary scheme.

     
  19. peg-powers

    December 19, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    I agree, Mr. dog-move. Shame on us for following the evil moneychangers and ignoring the basic principles regarding usury in the Bible, the very principles which lead to a blessed and virtuous life. Another basic principle concerns the acceptance of an insurance policy. Insurance is anti-trust in the Father above. Insurance passes on my private liability to my countrymen, the group. Now just how Christ-like is that?

     
  20. cathy baldwin

    December 21, 2015 at 2:12 AM

    The name of God and the Messiah seem to be varied, but the proper names I had not considered. It seems Exodus 3: 6 and Exodus 3: 14 indicate God said ” I AM The God of your father, the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob”. (Exodus 1:13 then repeats this and says, ‘This is My name forever’. Exodus 3 : 14 God instructed Moses, ” I AM WHO I AM, tell the Israelites : ‘ I AM has sent me to you'”. I AM WHO I AM is best translated YHWH. Revelation 14 : 1 says they had the Lamb’s name and the Fathers name written on their foreheads. My Aramaic bible says this is YHWH Echad and YHWH Eloheinu. I believe YHWH is the proper name for the Father. I would love to know what the Lord showed you Alfred, regarding His name. I believe you are a godly man to the uttermost and I also believe the male has greater spiritual authority and therefore receives good things to help and teach and encourage other believers.

     
  21. Adask

    December 21, 2015 at 4:54 AM

    I agree that YHWH is almost certainly a proper representation for His proper name. But how do you pronounce that Name? That’s the question.

    I don’t know that I’m called to reveal what I think the proper pronunciation. I’m not sure, but I have the impression that the pronunciation is for each of us to discover on our own. As I’ve already said, I prayed for six years to know the The Name. During that time, I tried/guessed at every possible “name” that I could imagine and none of them really worked. I don’t doubt that Yah, YHWH, Jehovah, Jahweh, etc. all “work” in the sense of being recognized as evidence of the supplicant’s attempt to discover and say the true name.

    But when I finally guessed at what I thought might be The Name, my prayers seemed to go completely silent. By that, I mean that whenever I’d previously prayed, it was like praying in a dark room where I couldn’t see what was going on, but I could hear the faint rustle of someone else in the darkness. Someone, maybe several “someones” was alway in the darkened room to hear my prayers.

    But, when I guessed at what I’ve come to believe is The Name, my darkened room went completely silent as if everyone else was holding their breath and not making a single, tiny sound. At first, that total silence, that void, scared me. I wondered what I’d done wrong. I wanted to run back to the small sounds in the darkened room.

    However, I decided not to chicken out and I continued to pray into the absolute silence with the newest Name I’d guessed at for another month. All I could sense when I prayed was a kind of void. I knew I’d done something important, but I didn’t if I’d done something remarkably good or terribly bad.

    Then, one night, all alone and praying, I again said the name I’d been guessing at for the past month or so, and my face lit up with an incredible smile (and I’m not a smiley guy). I was filled with an incredible sense of euphoria and I broke out laughing every time I said the Name. Laughing–out loud. I have never felt so good in all my previous life.

    That euphoria, grinning and laughter continued every time I said my prayers in that Name for another 18 months or so, and then it started to taper back. Today, when I say my prayer in that Name, I still get a big smile, a warn laugh and a sense of euphoria about 70 to 80% of the time. But, 20 to 30% of the time, I say the Name and I get almost nothing. I think that’s what happens when our Father YHWH ha Elohiym is angry at me or disappointed over something I’ve done or neglected to do that day.

    But every time I pray in that Name and get that sense of euphoria, I know that the Good LORD still has his hand on me. He hasn’t yet deleted my name from his “Rolodex”. I am delighted because I know that I’m still blessed. I’m still a contender for salvation.

    Even so, I still pray for correction. Maybe I have the Name wrong. I don’t know where all of the euphoria has come from over the past five years, but I don’t trust myself to have “guessed” properly. I think I did guess correctly, but I would never dream of telling anyone to believe that my guess was correct.

    As for me being a “Godly man,” don’t get too carried away with that notion. I’m still something of a sinner. I have no doubt that God has His Hand on me. But I have no doubt that God also had His Hand on Pharaoh when Pharaoh confronted Moses. I.e., if God hadn’t “hardened” Pharaoh’s heart, Pharaoh might let Moses and Hebrews go they first time Moses asked and saved the world a lot of drama. Just because God has His Hand on someone doesn’t necessarily mean that that person is “Godly”–only that he’s “called”.

    The biggest mystery in my life is “Why me?” Why did the Good LORD call on me when there may probably be millions of others who are more “Godly” and better qualified to be “called”. I have no idea why God chose me to first see the MOOA (Man Or Other Animals) insight. Lots of people more worthy than me.

    Even so, I’m glad He allowed me to “see” MOOA. It was hard work, confusing and scary at times, but it was blessing. Being able to “see” a little of God’s truth is huge blessing. So I’m grateful.

    But I really don’t understand.

    Anyway, don’t worry too much about my spiritual “credentials”. I don’t have a “drivers license” issued by God. The most I have is a “learner’s permit”.

    But if you will read any of the articles I write with just an open mind–I’ll be delighted. Does the article have some truth in it? Does it seem like a bunch nonsense? I don’t ask anyone to believe what I say or write, but I ask that they consider whatever it is that I’m saying or writing. Consider it. Then, reject or accept. That’s all I want.

    Maybe I’ll tell what I think about the Name one of these days–but only if the Good LORD makes me understand that doing so is His will.

     
  22. AuBrix

    December 22, 2015 at 8:55 PM

    Alfred, Many are called few answer the call. You work hard and diligently for your “learner’s permit”.
    Thank you for the enlightenment.

     
    • Adask

      December 23, 2015 at 12:17 AM

      Thanks for reading my articles. Thanks for the compliment.

       
  23. cathy baldwin

    December 23, 2015 at 1:04 AM

    Perfect, wonderful and perfect, thank you for talking about our life with God Almighty. We cannot lose.

     
  24. timmy

    December 23, 2015 at 8:45 PM

    A perfect, succinct summary in His own words (Gospel of John). Strangely, no mention of the secret name, pronunciations, mysteries or other such… simply come to Him, look on Him, and believe in Him. No more, no less… and all the emphasis is on belief (faith):

    Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” 30So they said to him, “Then what sign do you do, that we may see and believe you? What work do you perform? 31Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’” 32Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34They said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.”

    35Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

     
  25. peg-powers

    December 24, 2015 at 1:31 PM

    I never addressed my earthly father by his true name, C. Stephen Keelson.. He didn’t seem to mind. I loved him so. He enjoyed my juvenile efforts at communication, my reaching out to him– “dada……daddy……..dad”. He knew I loved him and desired to please him. In those moments we were one in our relationship and one in a loving spirit.

    The Spirit is life, a powerful lifeline, a living energy connection to our Father in heaven. Scripture commands us. (Since the fulfillment of the Day of Pentecost , Acts) “Be filled with the Spirit.”

     
  26. timmy

    December 24, 2015 at 8:51 PM

    I refuse to talk to or even listen to anyone who doesn’t address me by my exact (and unpublished) secret name. Should they chance upon it, they still have to pronounce it perfectly before I will acknowledge them. I will not respond to ‘you’, ‘friend, ‘dad’, ‘brother’, ‘neighbor’, ‘sir’ or any other title or name that is not my secret name…. and that is their problem, not mine. Even if I know perfectly well they are talking to me personally and directly. Tough luck.

    Can anyone see how absurd this sounds on it’s face??

     
    • Adask

      December 25, 2015 at 1:41 AM

      I do see how absurd it sounds on its face. It’s one of the reasons that I have only rarely talked or written about my notions on the Name over the past five or more years. I know that I sound foolish.

      But, I also see how absurd it sounds to observe that once upon a time mankind knew the Name of God, but out of respect for that Name, no one said it for so long that the Name has been lost and forgotten. If there is one item of knowledge that you’d think mankind would keep, no matter what, it would be knowledge of the true Name of God. But as things stand, we worship a God whose name we cannot pronounce. That also strikes me as absurd.

      And then there’s Acts 4:12 which, speaking of the Name of the Messiah, says, “Neither is there salvation in any other [name]: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”

      It seems to me that if the only name by which we MUST be saved is that of the Messiah, then it should be incumbent on us all to discover what, exactly, is that Name. Of course, as you say, Timmy, that’s absurd. What’s the Bible know about such things? Surely, if our heart is in the right place, we can call the Messiah by any name and still be saved. We could call him “Jesus” (“gee-zuz”) a name and pronunciation which, so far as I’ve been able to learn, are unknown to the Hebrew language of the time of “Gee-zus”. Because, as you say Timmy, the actual name is unimportant, we could even call him “Bubba” and start the “The Church of Bubba” (or, if you prefer, how ’bout “The Church of the Big Bubba”?

      But, from my “absurd” perspective, if Acts 4:12 is literally and precisely true, there’s only one name in all the world by which you MUST be saved. That name is not Bubba, or Jesus or even Timmy. So, from my perspective, insofar as I would like to be saved, it seems like a good idea to figure out what, exactly, is the Name of the Messiah and, while I’m at it, what exactly is the Name of our Father YHWH ha Elohiym.

      But that’s just me and my absurd little conclusions.

      However, really smart people like you, Timmy know that you’ll be saved regardless of whatever name you choose to use. You can use “Jesus”; you can use “Mohammed”; you can use “Confucius,” “what’sisface,” “Bubba” or even “Satan”. Names are unimportant. It’s what’s in your heart that matters.

      That could be.

      Still, Acts 4:12 reads as if knowing The Name of the the Messiah may be of vital importance. It doesn’t say that you won’t be saved if you don’t know and use The Name of the Messiah. It may well be that if you’re praying in the name of Bubba–and your heart is right–you MAY still be saved. But it appears from Acts 4:12 that there’s only one name by which you MUST be saved: the proper Name of the Messiah.

      So, from my perspective, it’s absurd to rely on any name other than the precise and proper Name of the Messiah to be saved. More, it’s absurd to risk your salvation on the idea that you can pray in any name (even “Bubba”) as still be saved. Even if it turns out that that argument is correct, why take the chance, however remote, that it’s incorrect? You are betting your eternal salvation on whether or not it’s important to know the true names of God and the Messiah.

      I have an opinion as to what the names of God and Messiah may be. If I’m wrong and you’re right (that the Name is unimportant), there’s no harm done–I’m still eligible for salvation. If, on the other hand, I am right in thinking that we should know and use the Messiah’s true name, and you are wrong about believing that any name will do–you’re headed for big trouble.

      To me, if there’s any absurdity in this discussion, it’s the absurdity of gambling your eternal salvation on the belief that knowing and saying the Messiah’s true name is irrelevant.

      What about Matthew 7:13-14: “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” ?

      I wonder how narrow is the “straight gate” that leads to salvation? How wide is the way that leadeth to destruction (judgment and damnation)? There are roughly two billion Christians in the world. Do think that every one of them will be saved simply because they say the name “Jesus”? If “Jesus” is the Name, then, according to Acts 4:12, every Christian who’s ever lived and said “Jesus” will be saved. We could be talking four billion living or dead Christians who’ve said the name “Jesus”. Does four billion sound like the number who find the narrow/straight gate–or do you suppose that not everyone who professes to be a Christian (and says the name “Jesus”) will be saved?

      What about Matthew 7:14 which says in part, “few there be that find it” referring to the narrow, “straight gate” that leads to salvation? I am intrigued by use of the word “find” in that verse. It implies that we much each search for that narrow gate and only a few will actually “find” it. The Bible doesn’t say so, but use of the world “find” gives me the impression that each of our “searches” for the “narrow gate” must be on our own. My salvation depends on me independently “finding” that narrow gate. Your salvation depends you independently “finding” that narrow gate.

      I wonder if that narrow gate can be independently “found” in the church of a TV evangelist, some mega-church, or a 501(c)3 state-church. I doubt it. I wonder what common denominator is shared by all such “churches” that leads to the “wide gate” and destruction/damnation. That common denominator would almost certainly have to be a “tradition of men” that runs contrary to true Christian theology.

      What if everyone was taught to worship the Messiah in a name that was not the Messiah’s true Name? Could that be a tradition of men? Could it be that worshiping in a false “name” would be the “road sign” that leads most of us to the “wide way” that leads to damnation?

      I don’t know.

      And I don’t know how “narrow” the straight gate might be. Will two billion pass through that gate or will it only be a few hundred thousand? Less?

      But, I do believe that it’s incumbent on all who would be saved to continue searching for that “narrow gate”.

      However, you, Timmy, apparently need not search any further because you have already “found” the absolute and eternal truth–and any idea that challenges or contradicts that truth can be dismissed as “absurd”. (Your humility inspires us all, Timmy.)

      I’m reminded of a number of verses in 1 Corinthians that deal with “foolishness”. I suspect that we could use the words “absurd” and “absurdity” in place of “foolishness”. If we did, we might read,

      “But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;” 1 Cor 1:27 Apparently the Good LORD is not above using things that seem “foolish” (absurd) to “confound the wise”.

      “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.” 1 Cor 3:19 Could it be that referring to the Messiah with a name that was unknown to the Hebrew language is an example of “wisdom of this world” (tradition of men) that is “foolishness” (absurdity) to God?

      How ’bout 1 Cor. 2:14? “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” Could it be that the “natural man” rejects as “foolish” (and “absurd”?) some things that require spiritual discernment?

      I’m not a Bible scholar. There is much more remaining for me to learn about the Bible than I have already learned. Still, my superficial research indicates that there is no “geh” sound (as in “gee-zus”) in the Hebrew language. My superficial research indicates that the true name of the Messiah had at least three, probably four, and perhaps as many as five syllables. If that superficial research is roughly correct, the true name of the Messiah cannot be pronounced “gee-zus” or spelled with just two syllables.

      I don’t like that conclusion. Life would be a lot easier for me if I could just say “Jesus” and “God” (gawd) like everyone else. The broad “way” is certainly more convenient, easily found and comfortable than what may be the “straight gate”. Nevertheless, I gotta go with what I’ve seen. My research may be faulty, but judging from what I’ve seen so far, the true Name of the Messiah is not “Jesus” (gee-zus). Maybe that conclusion is unimportant and my reference to it is absurd.

      But maybe not.

      And given that (according to Acts 4:12) we might be betting our eternal salvation on whether we perceived, used and pronounced the Messiah’s true name, it seems absurd to me to assume that any name is The Name. It seems absurd to me that anyone claiming to be a Christian would not seek to discover the Christ’s true name.

      Finally, if anyone can produce any proof that the Messiah was ever called by the name of “Jesus” (gee-zus) during his time on earth, I will thank him to see that proof. In fact, I’ll thank anyone who can produce proof that the Messiah even HEARD the name “Jesus” while he was on earth. Until I see that evidence, I regard the name “Jesus” as a tradition of men–and if Acts 4:12 is literally true, a dangerous tradition, besides.

      I don’t like having ideas that are so far out of the mainstream. In my heart, I’m a herd creature like most others. I’d like to conform. I do conform in many (most?) regards. I’d like to go out and play with the rest of the kids.

      But I have a problem. Every so often, I think the Good LORD allows me to see something that may seem “absurd” to most people and yet appears true to me. I’ve gotta go with that “truth” until I see evidence to the contrary. So far, I haven’t seen any evidence that the Messiah was ever called by his friends, family, apostles, or disciples by the name of “Jesus”. Given the implications of Acts 4:12, I can’t dismiss the issues of God’s true name and the Messiah’s true name as absurd–and I can’t easily understand anyone else who does.

       
  27. timmy

    December 24, 2015 at 8:53 PM

    In my experience, if something is not clearly Biblical, and not common sense logical, it is not of God. I can think of no exceptions to that grounding principle. Oops, I didn’t use the secret password…

    But you knew who I meant somehow, didn’t you?

     
  28. timmy

    December 25, 2015 at 10:49 AM

    Al, this is interesting and I will consider all that carefully. I find that He puts the emphasis regarding salvation on KNOWING HIM, and that is the basis on which He will separate the sheep from the goats on that day. Ie, it’s relational, not technical/mechanical. “Name” of course in that culture represented character, reputation, the totality of the person. Not just ‘name’ in the way we think of it today.

    And if I say “Jesus” you and I and He know exactly who I’m referring to and believing in.
    But as I said, I will consider all this; I like to keep an open mind and always learn.

    I hope you know I respect you and enjoy your work. So far, I’m not sure about this name thing as you are proposing it, but let’s see. I do find that He makes the important principles crystal clear, especially in the New Testament. And this seems anything but.

    And I certainly don’t think I’m smarter than everyone. I do have some hard-won knowledge, and at least a dose of wisdom.

     
    • Adask

      December 25, 2015 at 5:55 PM

      I’m also not sure about the “name thing”. I’m not saying that the texts attributed to God and/or the Messiah are absolutely clear. There is some ambiguity. I am simply saying Why take a chance? Why assume that any old name will do with when the Bible says there is ONLY ONE name by which you MUST be saved. Maybe you can use any one of a host of other names and still, possibly, be saved. But if there’s ONLY ONE name by which you MUST be saved, it strikes me that it would be a good idea to discover that one (and only) name.

       
  29. dog-move

    December 29, 2015 at 12:47 PM

    Let’s remember, Acts 2:38 on the being saved subject, one must be born of the water and the spirt to enter the kingdom.

     

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